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The Dark Forest by Cixin Liu | Review
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2016
- So glad to be continuing on with my thoughts for this trilogy! A Death's End review will be out as soon as possible, as well. I read all three of these back-to-back and enjoyed them a lot as a whole.
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I finished this book a couple days ago and I'm still kept up at night by the disturbing logic of the Dark Forest model of cosmic sociology. It really is a plausible explanation for the Fermi paradox and, if it maps onto the real universe, has pretty extreme consequences for the long term survival of our civilization.
which is why Stephen Hawking warned us not to send messages to or reply aliens..
@@alexpan6629 Yes. I think the ppl in the government should read this
This is bullshit model only in the dreams of Cixin Liu. Don't worry. Actually universe is a funny, weird and great place though it's cool beyond imagination.
Imagine earth has nearly 13 billion years old past and there is not a single evidence of it being under attack.
There could be filters for good though, which is expected of a thoughtful creator.
@@rajendrakumarghatage2744 come on religion is fine but don’t try mixing it with science they completely contradict each other
@@kiran1422 yeah, you please mix fiction and fantasy with facts and science, also that 747 max, it got assembled by itself.
Cixin is not the most skilful storyteller but the scale and intricacy of his imagination is nigh unparalleled in this genre
the best sf i've ever read.....
at least in the past 10years it is.
I love classic SF.刘 bring it back for us.
Read Hyperion Cantos
The dark forest was my favorite book in the trilogy by far because of the idea of wallfacers and what humanity could do with the sophons knowing their every move. Plus, the dark forest theory blew my mind. Liu Cixin truly is a mastermind!
This exactly!
Liu Cixin's concepts are mind boggling
@James Wang No it isn't. That is the way it is used to keep the Trisolarans at bay, but is is not what the Dark Forest is.
I've always been hesitant to read Sci-Fi. I'm afraid I won't understand the intricacies of the plot or setting, but this trilogy has been getting incredible reviews. I'd love to give it a shot.
This book was amazing, before reading it I was excited for the endless possibilities of earth become a space faring civilisation, after finishing the book that prospect now terrifies me.
I love this book so much that I read both the English and the Chinese version for three trilogy, just as not to miss anything. The fantastic part of this story is that it makes us think a lot. About us and the universe and our role in it. As much as we want to know of the existence of aliens, we should also be beware of them. The concepts are mind blowing and like you said a roller coaster ride. Really bleak at times then hope. Definitely one of my all time fav book.
I just finished this book yesterday and I am astounded and awed by the mind that created such an amazingly brilliant story. There were a few parts I didn't understand or pieces I didn't connect and listening to your review filled in a lot of those spaces and has made this read even more enjoyable. Many thanks. I'm now onto Death's End.
This is my favorite sf trilogy. Mind-blowing. I think about it still. I feel like I have "evolved" in my thinking....a wee bit, true, but very satisfying. The Dark Forest... incredible. Stephen Hawking must have read it. I found myself grumbling about a public figure today and thought, "What a Trisolaran."
The graveyards in the fragments of the 4th Dimension haunt me.
Wall facer explanation: the founder of Buddhism, was a wall facer for ten YEARS 2500 years ago. Then he understand every thing about the universe, Then he created Buddhism. that is much cooler then the god from west. At least sounds wise.
Very interesting book and concepts . I'm going to have to get into this series. Keep up with the awesome reviews!
just finished this book and the goosebumps havent gone away yet, it is a good book indeed.
This sounds wonderful! I need a new book to get me excited. 🙃
I've been excited about this giveaway since you've first mention you were going to do it! It just sounds fascinating.
You are so well spoken! Great video!
The first part is to tell us the traitors is everywhere
The dark forest is to tell us never try to contact with aliens, just to find them, and watch them.
The last part "death is forever " tell us a Madonna could not be a politician.
@@Liam-po3ox YES lmfao truth is truth
Not sure if you guys are being serious, but Cheng Xin can actually be treated as a projection of humanity. We, the human civilisation, chose our representative, which resulted in our ending.
😂😂😂
isn't the message of the dark forest that all civilizations have to eliminate each other, not to just find and watch them? (this comment probably isn't serious but still)
Great review! Absolutely loved this book
Sounds great! Nice review! Thanks for the AWESOME giveaway! :D
these books are awesome，the imagination of the author is incredible，the scene he created there was tremendous，highly recommend.
Fantastic review. Very well described. Thank you
It ended on such a warm and fuzzy note- I had to wait a few days to get the third book and wondered if maybe I should just leave it there. I knew the last book would be dark and was NOT disappointed lol.
The last one is the best. But it is a desperate story.
I found Death's End actually too hopeful and cheery at the end. Not tragic enough.
But that's just me.
I think this is among the greatest epic scifi works, right up there with Heinlein and Asimov, but the characters are much richer and nuanced.
Good review. I'm about half way through. Liu tends to wander off to far away places in this book before coming back to the point of the book. I find myself getting confused as to which character he is talking about , probably because of the un-familiar names. Not interested in a hard copy.
For those who like the story of 3 body problem, the movie losely based on the author's short story "the wandering earth" just became available in some theatres worldwide. If you are one of the fortunate ones who lives near one of those theatres, especially the ones with Imax 3D, do give it a shot. You are unlikely to be disappointed.
I'm a bit upset that the movie changed the story or ended before the whole 'wandering earth' story, it is supposed to be a dark theme story full of sarcasm...
Nah, there were too many plot holes and the film was way too full of itself/focused on the visual effects. Was a good effort though...
Great review
Great review. I am deep in the middle of this volume. Can't put it down.
This series sounds great!
Just finished it and wow, that ending. Speaks a thousand truths.
The book sounds brilliant and your review was wonderful :) Thank you for the giveaway!
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The worst part of the book for me is the hundred or so pages where Luo Ji does absolutely nothing of worth and is just being self-centered. The specifics of his personality don't matter at all to the plot and the only reason he is relevant is because he coincidentally met with Ye Wenjie and learned the principles of the dark forest.
One thing I think you have missed from Luo's personality is that he is a loving person. Which in the end of the book has emphasized as the hope of the universe.
@@yegavin8096 even being hated by LITERALLY EVERYONE in the end.
Except it does. Only a person as self centered and cynical as Luo Ji could have figured out cosmic sociology, since it takes a self centered person to understand the selfish behavior of alien civilizations and the type of cosmic society it would lead to. Only a person as hedonistic and depressed as Luo Ji could have fooled Trisolaris into thinking he was no threat. Only a person as cynical as Luo Ji would be willing to kill off himself, Earth, and Trisolaris. The fact that the book fooled you into thinking Luo Ji was doing nothing of worth shows the genius of his plan.
@@saucevc8353 Nah, it doesn't really. I read all 3 books and there is something that gets under my skin about how this author uses characters. Sometimes he spends a sizable part of the book building a character that does 2 things the whole story then dies or is forgotten.
I understand that he is a blatant nihilist and likes dark jokes, but I really really don't want to spend time reading about 100% inconsequential things.
I almost quit the book at halfway point because absolutely nothing was happening. I slogged through that point and when the time jump happened, it finally became good.
Zhang Beihai is also a wallfacer.
he is sexy
The real wallfacer lol
I read the three body problem earlier this year, and after this I want to read the other two books even more! I hope the giveaway is international?
Did you ever get to the rest of them?
I really want to read this now ,since you mentioned it too many time in your latest videos.
I have read the Chinese version and cannot put it down. I enjoy the book so much.
nice review thanks!
Best book out of the most important sci fi series ever written.
sounds great.
Sounds interesting!
Good review.
hi, i heard that the english version is a bit twisted than the original chinese version. is that true?
Yes, political correctness ruins everything
This is my favorite book of all time
Luo ji ~ Logic
exactly
that is what his name literally mean in chinese though
@@jefferyfeng1778 Not technically the same characters, but pretty close =)
A gripping, stunning book
just finished Death's End. It is amazing.
This trilogy gives a reader a lot to think about. The most fascinating concept to think about, how could humankind ever expect to encounter kindness in a more advanced species when we ourselves are the most cruel species towards most co-existing species’ of our own planet. We destroy the very nature that gave birth to us. We create whole species’ into existence only to torture, imprison and kill them for their milk, eggs and flesh, while depriving them from their right of natural evolution. Humankind is a destructive force to nature, evolution and life itself. And still, one of humankind’s greatest missions is to seek out and find new life among the stars. Why? If they can’t even cherish life on their own planet.
Luo Ji is my favorite character in the trilogy
Was there anything significant about him that could paint him as anyone's "favorite"? He runs away from everything into his fantasy, pretty much doesn't do anything at all for most of the book and the only reason he is important is because Ye Wenjie gave him the ideas behind the dark forest. That's it.
There were a few other more interesting characters in this book, but they pretty much got sacrificed to prove a point.
Me, personally, I loved this book.
Andrew Devine VERY cool
I found this book to verge on the horror genre, tbh. I found it more frightening than most so-called horror.
I'd like to enter. Thanks Chris!
book review on Ball lightning please
The problem of Liu's TBP trilogy is mainly the lacklustre character development. Throughout the entire series, I have found no attachment to the protagonists including Logic, and everybody else. They're used exclusively as a tool to spell out information - most of the time in "hardcore scientific" terms. Honestly, there's nobody who speaks like that in human society, and I'm from a rather enthusiastic intellectual one. However, the enormity of scope the novels covers is unprecedented, the science used and the arguments proposed by Liu have been flawless, all those pretty much offset the weakness of characters.
Some say Cixin Liu style is making hardcore science understandable for the common reader, his weakness however is creating likeable characters. However my personal opinion is that he deliberately made his characters flat and even not likable. Because throughout the trilogy we get a glimpse that the human race is insignificant in the grand scheme of the Universe, and the protagonists are mostly depicted as useless and hopeless, this is a theme in character development I think Cixin Liu has done on purpose. The characters are insignificant, the ideas and story of the book is what counts.
no，many characters are charming，like zhang bei hai，zhuyan，luoji，wade wader，right？
I thought Ye Wenjie, Luo Ji, and Thomas Wade were all well developed characters. I think it's just that the side characters aren't really given much thought.
luoji means logic
Just a question (with a spoiler) below:
Who destroyed 187J3X1?
Hernán .Leiva some random indifferent advanced alien civilization. As the dark forest theory explains, a small portion of hunters will just shoot without scouting after knowing someone is there. So the civilization that destroyed 187J3X1 could be anyone's guess, but it’s true identity isn’t significant. Just the mere possibility of being destroyed is enough to threaten any civilization, let alone that possibility is pretty high.
I am feeling lucky!
Here's what I thought of the book.
1st 3rd: hm not as good as the first one...
2nd 3rd: hm this is getting pretty interesting..
3rd 3rd: oh man, that was great!
Same thought here. Actually, I thought than the 1st third part was slow and hard to get through.
Sounds interesting...hmm...
well the second book in a trilogy is always the hardest one.
Great review! Btw the auther's name should be pronounced something close to "Tsi-sin Lew", not "Sixin Lu"
Qingzhou Shi my Chinese boss's wife pronounced "Cixin" to me and I thought it sounded like an alien language. Like holy crap that's hard to pronounce as a nonnative speaker of chinese.
It doesn't sound like an alien language, maybe it sounds like a foreign language, to some your name Johanna Weichsel is hard to pronounce aswell, but nothing is hard to pronounce, its a matter of you want to pronounce it right or not, with practise anything is possible, the point is, you want it or not. Most people that complain its too hard to pronounce just havent tried hard enough or not willing to try....
Tsi-shin
I like your video.
Wow
I should receive 'm tomorrow.....
It is really romantic.
It’s fairly probable humanity has developed one of the earliest civilisations. If the universe is as old as science suggests then for much of the time before humanity developed, the universe was hostile to life.
137 billion years not enough to create life?
Best Si-Fi
But you literally spoiled all the story, except ending o_o
事实上大部分中国读者并不喜欢“程心”这个角色，有点像如今的西方国家的“白左”“圣母”。
可是她活到了最后，这究竟代表了什么🤔
@@user-td3ut4tg3v 听说大刘想要让人性能够留存下来（“我觉得我是很积极的”）
Shiming Zhang 说到底就是你再怎么讨厌圣母……她都能活到最后
I liked the 3 body problem but I got very bored with the dark forest. The writing is disjointed and the plot is ignored for too long
The aliens are obviously the Chinese. Young Americans have given up and want to leave Earth. :)
Hello, this is a review or a summary? It looks like you talk more about the plot than your opinion, keep it short simple man.