“This Person Stupid And There’s No Winning Scenario” Arguments (AskReddit)

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  • @1Thatstrangeguy
    @1Thatstrangeguy Před 4 lety +44

    Someone I know got angry because the refrigerator light was always on and wasting electricity. I told them there is a switch that makes it turn on when you open the door. To prove me wrong this person decided to whip open the door really fast to "Beat the switch"
    rip jar of pickles.

  • @soumavobanerjee8917
    @soumavobanerjee8917 Před 4 lety +47

    1:39 As An Indian, I would recommend everyone to make tea by boiling milk instead of water. I do it everyday and it is just delicious. Especially when you add sugar when the milk is boiling.

    • @mohimshayan
      @mohimshayan Před 4 lety +4

      Damn you Indians have fine tea

    • @Ambipie
      @Ambipie Před 4 lety +3

      Milk tea, the indian invention of Chai, isnt it beautiful

    • @Ambipie
      @Ambipie Před 4 lety +1

      @@chris26479 make chamomile hot milk tea when tomorrows your day off, i bet its the best sleep ever

    • @LINKINPARK262
      @LINKINPARK262 Před 4 lety +4

      Why am I absolutely certain that there's some know it all American who's going to argue with you that you don't know anything about tea and that Americans are the real experts because of the Boston Tea Party?

    • @lemonzest933
      @lemonzest933 Před 4 lety +2

      Team Taz Gaming Paul yo
      you are the ONLY person who brought that up. like the ONLY one. very unnecessary but what you described about americans is accurately expected😪

  • @Aurea0522
    @Aurea0522 Před 3 lety +7

    A wise man once said "It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but impossible to win in argument with a dumb one "

    • @TylenOneal239
      @TylenOneal239 Před rokem

      Someone told me and I find this true that it’s better to walk away from an argument with someone stupid and let them think they won otherwise they will bring you to their level and beat you

  • @redditreader1572
    @redditreader1572 Před 4 lety +16

    The guy who narrates my reddit vids once had to go to court because a lady claimed he ran her over. The dashcam vid played and showed her jumping on the windshield at a redlight...
    no winning that one

  • @xninewxw7559
    @xninewxw7559 Před 4 lety +44

    Vault boy be looking kinda fresh

    • @zanepeterson777
      @zanepeterson777 Před 2 lety +1

      Yeah ikr for a moment he looked sooooo relatable

  • @LazySkeptic23
    @LazySkeptic23 Před 4 lety +10

    I feel so bad for the second dude, I imagine he's old and hasn't been on the internet as much as most people today.
    Also I want to see the messages he got. I want to know what kinds of people get angry over THAT. I want to know what goes through their head. People are so bizarre, man...

    • @tidepodpadthai2633
      @tidepodpadthai2633 Před 3 lety +2

      Honestly on reddit you can get hate for anything, feel bad for the dude though

    • @TylenOneal239
      @TylenOneal239 Před rokem +1

      True, but at least Reddit isn’t as bad as Twitter

  • @justagiraffe2868
    @justagiraffe2868 Před 4 lety +15

    “I don’t try to argue politics. I present (his party of choice’s) values. People can choose to agree with me or be wrong”
    Uh, kind of missing the point buddy. Rarely can one be objectively wrong in politics.

  • @smeksii_yozhik
    @smeksii_yozhik Před 4 lety +4

    I got into an argument with a coworker once about racism; she kept insisting that since I was white, I had no say in what was and wasn't racist, and had to take anything called racist at face-value and accept that it was. Keep in mind, she was also white.
    Now, while I am visibly white, I am also part of a cultural minority in my area that has had a very nasty history with the government for hundreds of years, and relations have only recently started to improve. There are still lots of people that look down on my demographic, but I won't go into the sociology or history of it for brevity's sake. I told her that she was discriminating against me because I was a part of that ethnicity, and since she was not, she couldn't tell me she wasn't discriminating. Not that I thought she actually was, but just use the logic she was following against her to prove a point.
    She threw a temper tantrum and accused me of being a white supremacist before storming off to complain about me to other coworkers and possibly my boss. Luckily, I never got fired, since she was notorious for starting fights like this lol
    I was a teenager at the time. She was a married mother of two, and was in her 40s. God help that family

    • @ricksmansadevo
      @ricksmansadevo Před 4 lety

      Where are you from?South Africa?I'm assuming that because your said that you apart of a racial minority.

    • @smeksii_yozhik
      @smeksii_yozhik Před 4 lety +2

      @@ricksmansadevo No, Eastern Canada. It's more of an ethnic/cultural minority than a racial one. Good guess though

  • @Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access

    Any argument you try to have online

  • @enigmaticl7
    @enigmaticl7 Před 4 lety +2

    I hate when you get into an argument, and the person you’re arguing with has that “I’m always right, no matter what” attitude

  • @zenithkaijaou4182
    @zenithkaijaou4182 Před 4 lety +2

    When my Auntie said the moon landings were fake. There is no convincing a conspiracy theorist so we now just make up ridiculous theories and get her to believe it.

    • @-Nikoli-
      @-Nikoli- Před 2 měsíci

      I mean.... we have no evidence to prove either side. So it really could be anything

  • @micahmachtdaswurstchen7688
    @micahmachtdaswurstchen7688 Před 4 lety +18

    The CZcamsr Dragonlord (German Version of Chris Chan) he‘s literally the equivalent of that pigeon on the chess board, always think that doing his CZcams videos rendering and uploading is hard work... he‘s insisting that he‘s working at least 12-14 Hours a day and that a regular social worker job/ comstruction worker Job is nothing against his youtube work, people who try to tell him it‘s not like this getting either banned, ignored, offended or getting answered stupid arguments... just no....

  • @hippsthehippo9804
    @hippsthehippo9804 Před 4 lety +14

    *Well Politics have entered chat*

  • @darkestccino5405
    @darkestccino5405 Před 4 lety +1

    I was saw someone make up logical fallacies that he accused me of making, with said logical fallacies appearing no where else on the internet.

  • @Amateur_group
    @Amateur_group Před 4 lety +1

    One of my coworkers is convinced everyone is getting sick cause of the cell towers. It was like talking to a wall who had a narcissistic complex.

  • @keulron2290
    @keulron2290 Před 4 lety +2

    Arguing with a dude on the TES Fandom about how the Empire aren't Thalmor puppets. He states that my opinion is wrong and I'm stupid for not having is somehow superior (yet ultimately wrong and flawed) opinion. And what's funny, is that he never backs up his arguments. In his mind, you either have his opinion or your an idiot who has the wrong opinion.

  • @ArrowValley
    @ArrowValley Před 4 lety +5

    When I was a Uni and the Commies would enter the room making a scene.
    Every single f-ing time. No matter what anyone said they would just start chanting like sheep and that was the moment you knew they would never listen and were just rich idiots.
    Best day of my life was the moment I was finish at Uni once and for all.

  • @DblOSmith
    @DblOSmith Před 4 lety +1

    Friend told me a cop can only check your speed if you're going a constant speed, and if you slow down or speed up, it'll trick the device. Oy.

  • @gamingyoshifanatic4082
    @gamingyoshifanatic4082 Před 4 lety +13

    Every time Chris Chan tried to argue against his trolls over the years

    • @Crazylom
      @Crazylom Před 4 lety

      Okie.

    • @uguuwuu6882
      @uguuwuu6882 Před 4 lety

      Chris-chan is less an idiot and more genuinely mentally disabled

  • @period.4170
    @period.4170 Před 4 lety +2

    11:09 And that is something Hitler would say if there was internet back then

  • @somegirlintheband
    @somegirlintheband Před 4 lety +1

    I once had an argument with my sister over whether or not pterodactyls felt emotional pain

  • @MitchellTF
    @MitchellTF Před 4 lety

    "Hun...I ain't TRYING to make you feel dumb...This is DOING."

  • @Playgamerbox
    @Playgamerbox Před 4 lety +2

    I hate people that when youre having an argument they respond and they are inmedietally like "i wok the argument noob, only by responding once" like??????

  • @UncleMikeDrop
    @UncleMikeDrop Před 4 lety +1

    Not all paper is bio degradable in the strictest sense of the word because modern paper is made using toxic chemicals. Sure, it can be broken down in a landfill, but it leaves behind the chemicals used to make it.

  • @Ian-np6zt
    @Ian-np6zt Před 4 lety +2

    When I was on my church mission we ran into a couple that wanted to learn about Jesus. Everything went well for about 2 weeks and then she said an angel told her that we were evil and we shouldn't be trusted. Intrigued, I asked how she met the angel. She said she saw it in a dream.
    She described the exact same dream King David had with the statue composed of various metals. She said that, "David had it wrong. The statue represents satellites, and they are arrayed like webs. Webs the devil weaves. The evil people of this world use them to spread his lies and deceit. Anybody who uses electronics is swayed and pulled by these forces and therefore become evil themselves, because this is what he has told them to be." So therefore, anybody who uses, watches, or works with electronics can't be trusted yada yada yada. (She basically wanted to be Amish. And I even mentioned that she could join them. But heck, what do i know? Right? Anyway....)
    That's when her husband spoke up and said, I wish you wouldn't go on about this stuff, you sound crazy! To which she replied "I have been commanded and cannot be silent!" And I just remember that poor dude with his head in his hand saying "I just wanna watch my tv". We never did go back.

  • @KirillTheBeast
    @KirillTheBeast Před 4 lety +6

    About the "tea & milk" debate... A study was published on the matter. When you pour the milk onto the hot tea, the fist bit of milk get heated very fast and has no time or mass to dissipate the heat, leading to some of it getting denaturalised, which tastes awful. You could, hypotetically, pour in the milk so incredibly fast that this wouldn't happen, but in the end the whole thing comes down to the fact that a very small contact surface gets a lot of heat transfered through it, and that's the biggest hurdle: contact surface. Remember that most of what our eyes percieve to be constant "unbroken" streams of liquids are just lots of drops in a line.
    Source: Worked in several chemical/pharmaceutical plants. Lots of procedures are determined by this same underlying process.
    [TL:DR] The dumbass was right and you should pour hot tea onto cool milk, but he didn't know why because it's not about the resulting averaged temperature: it's about avoiding a small portion of the milk reachin a critical temperature in which it gets broken down.

  • @moemoethecoolest
    @moemoethecoolest Před 4 lety +2

    I'm just thinking that if I ever got significantly famous (not like a real life celebrity, but maybe a well-known youtuber or something) and I got into drama, some people will always still be on the other person's side no matter how much I apologize and try to fix the issue.
    Rant/vent ahead, don't hit "read more" if you don't wanna listen to me ramble
    Like if I apologized to the other people and bystanders, the haters would be like "Oh now she's tryna say soooOrrY, you already committed the act hun." If I apologized too much, they would say "Stop saying sorry, I'll never forgive you" or "Stop being immature, you're not a little girl anymore." If I tried to fix it, they'd say "She seriously thinks she can fix the mess she got herself into?" If I made a video addressing the issue and recognizing what I did wrong, they'd say "Oh now she's trying to be all mAtUre." Make up your mind people, am I mature or am I still a little girl?

  • @adcgdsin9320
    @adcgdsin9320 Před 4 lety +1

    Literally stopped arguing against antivaxxers. Fighting stupidity is exhausting.

  • @tidepodpadthai2633
    @tidepodpadthai2633 Před 2 lety

    I love how the first OP literally just peaced out after posting their story

  • @MatthewTheUntitled
    @MatthewTheUntitled Před 4 lety +2

    I once had a guy who leashed out on me because I told him he is quite underqualified to examine me so I won't take his "diagnosis" into consideration since I am lucky to have one of the best psychiatrists in our country. That guy was 17 and he failed his classes twice after going to high school.. in 1st grade... he couldn't see how im going to a therapy with my pride and attitude due to low EQ...
    I just don't think he knows better than a highly respected Ph.D psychiatrist whom is 4th generation in family specialized in psychology, which makes me a retard, right? XD

  • @theomnitrixster61
    @theomnitrixster61 Před 4 lety

    We can't cure stupid but we can laugh at them.

  • @shwoopyrrale1694
    @shwoopyrrale1694 Před 4 lety +8

    politics made me realize my mother is an idiot.

    • @hippsthehippo9804
      @hippsthehippo9804 Před 4 lety

      How so lol

    • @arthurcosta1657
      @arthurcosta1657 Před 4 lety

      .

    • @shwoopyrrale1694
      @shwoopyrrale1694 Před 4 lety

      @@hippsthehippo9804 any time i had video evidence that something was corrupt, or impossible to argue proof, she would say ot was framed or doctored. it has literally become her go to answer to my proof. and i really do try my absolute hardest when researching the topics.

  • @shanematthews1089
    @shanematthews1089 Před 4 lety +1

    Literally every time I give advice to somebody 🤦‍♂️

  • @Ambipie
    @Ambipie Před 4 lety +1

    Good delegators say management.

  • @angryjoker7528
    @angryjoker7528 Před 4 lety +1

    Who puts milk in 1st? I usually make my tea a little hotter then when I add milk it won't be cool

  • @fireneko2294
    @fireneko2294 Před 4 lety

    Had an argument about how giving a dog raw meat is bad for them yet they gave her sausage grease, tea, chocolate, ect. (I just sit in silence while I watch them put it in this old girls bow then change it out when they walk away)

  • @AriesX13Channel
    @AriesX13Channel Před 2 lety

    A friend of mine (not anymore ofc) kept debating with me in the middle of our chess game because things weren't going in his favor. I tried to explain to him how this was the proper way but he kept refusing to admit it and would offer a "made up rule that would turn things his way." He kept on doing this only up until his mother stepped in and told him I was right. I realized there was no point on explaining to this guy nor playing in a chess game with 80% debating.

  • @patrickobrien5311
    @patrickobrien5311 Před 4 lety

    Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just gonna knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like it's victorious.

  • @harunoshiobana2880
    @harunoshiobana2880 Před 4 lety

    a kid in my speed skating team said that the iron in your blood isn't the same as the iron in the periodic table

  • @misfortune6666
    @misfortune6666 Před 3 lety +1

    Kinda late to the video but let me say something that happened recently. A friend of mine was saying I didn't care about her because I was hanging with people she didn't like and who had said rude things to her in the past. I tried for over two weeks to convince her. I knew that she was going to be an idiot but I cared enough about her to keep trying. Wish I hadn't I honestly wasted a ton of my time. She threw away a friendship over that, said I was like a brother to her. I felt the same way, but honestly if your gonna be dumb and throw away a friendship like that then you never cared in the first place.

  • @lukewarmwater6412
    @lukewarmwater6412 Před 4 lety +1

    any conversation with a sovcit...

  • @i.pfreely8979
    @i.pfreely8979 Před 4 lety +1

    every conversation with my mother lol

  • @gannicusfinch7068
    @gannicusfinch7068 Před 4 lety +1

    Whenever somebody says that since you can't prove something is NOT true, that means that it IS true.
    Example: "Steve Buscemi is an alien."
    Me: "No, he isn't."
    "How do you know he isn't? Can you prove he isn't? You can't prove it, can you? Since you can't prove that he isn't an alien, that definitively proves that he IS an alien."
    Hint: you can do this with literally any scenario. It doesn't "prove" a thing.
    Whenever somebody uses this argument, I instantly know I'm dealing with a moron.

  • @aleksandarvil5718
    @aleksandarvil5718 Před 4 lety +1

    "Debate" against SJWs in Colleges

  • @waynejoyner432
    @waynejoyner432 Před 4 lety +1

    I was arguing with a Christian on wether you need evidence to support your belief or justify your beliefs, they just believe it because it's in the bible or they just "just believe it" with no proof or evidence

  • @Mareczekw30
    @Mareczekw30 Před 4 lety +1

    1:50 sounds like usual enviromentalist, without any knowledge of science.

  • @KainMcnab
    @KainMcnab Před 4 lety

    Literally any debate with a creationist.

  • @alexjenkins1079
    @alexjenkins1079 Před 4 lety

    0:10 An ex "mate" of mine did the exact same thing when I told him to stop going into my parents' bedroom a few years ago, along with a few other things, after I told him that I wouldn't allow him to come round to my house if he didn't stop doing it, or in the case of one of the things he did (taking a massive s**t and not cleaning the toilet after himself, and leaving my mom to clean it up, with her having a go at me), if he didn't start cleaning it up after himself. It was either him not coming round, or me either having to follow him around my house or having my Grandad supervise him (something I don't think he would have liked at all)

  • @joeyakathug5215
    @joeyakathug5215 Před 4 lety

    I was arguing someone on twitter in police shooting. As a Police supporter, this was one hell of good shooting, not going into a lot of detail but the suspect rushed at the officer with a knife, officer magdumped the guy cuz he kept rushing after being shot, turned out that guy was on mental distress or something. I literally saw tweets of "Officer should've shot the guy in the kneecap" or "He could've used the taser", which just proves that they don't know how bullets or tasers work. I explained why it's a dumb idea and they still say that's an excuse for murdering people. I just gave up because they never had an adrenalin rush nor shot a small, moving target, attached to a person while running backward
    Just in case you are one of the idiots:
    -Shooting in the leg is fatal as shooting in the chest (Femoral artery bleeds you out very very quickly) (Also if you missed artery, bullets will most likely hit your bone, which will turn into fragments and cut open the artery)
    -Shooting a thin, small target is a hard thing. Now add adrenalin rush, and the leg is moving, attached to someone that is rushing to kill you. It's a very hard shot, even for experts with countless hours of practice
    -If bullets miss, they can ricochet, hit someone else, or in case of an officer hit the leg, bullet can penetrate, ricochet and hit someone else
    -Tasers don't always work. There are two prongs in each taser, and it has to make contact ON YOUR SKIN, which if the suspect is wearing a jacket, it doesn't work. And even if the officer made contact, people with mental illness, drugged, drunk really don't get affected by the taser. And there are people who are just immune to tasers.

  • @gush35z67
    @gush35z67 Před 3 lety

    2:52 Actually there is, just say "sorry, you're an idiot" then walk away, tada, argument won.

  • @mztweety1374
    @mztweety1374 Před 3 lety

    Wait till he gets a load of Dolores Claiborne or Stand By Me or A Good Marriage

  • @cards7771
    @cards7771 Před 3 lety

    Now I know how to win a arguement

  • @angryjoker7528
    @angryjoker7528 Před 4 lety +1

    Dude I actually did the same mitsk I thought army was a blanket term and the navy guy said we are the navy so ever wince I've been saying military

  • @josiaharaki7310
    @josiaharaki7310 Před rokem

    The Abortion one is oddly more true than you'd think, although Obama didn't guard the closet. There are documented cases of abortion clinics dropping babies who survive abortions into supply closets, sometimes even chemical buckets.

  • @its_manny4659
    @its_manny4659 Před 4 lety

    1:10 dude really said reddit is scary LMAO

  • @evanshoulders3674
    @evanshoulders3674 Před 4 lety

    0:50 dam he snapped

  • @VictoriaMartinez-lu2sc

    My grandpa had 4 kids (uncle, mom, aunt1, aunt2) Aunt 1 is the worst person ever. she believes that she can do whatever she wants and say whatever she wants becuase she has more money than us. And yes, my mom and my aunt 2 absolutely adore her because ""family is family"" and even if they are going through a lot of shit together that doesnt gives the right to aunt 1 to abuse to my mom, who works, cooks, cleans and does everything for us (while I have to study). Now that we are con quarantine, aunt1 says ""corona was made for chinese in a lab, poodles were made in a lab, 5g towers distribute corona virus"" and yes......it doesnt matter that Im studying fucking medicine, she....who read it everything on internet, know more and I "OWE HER RESPECT""
    This is when I knew my family is a bunch of idiots

  • @baulvicork5199
    @baulvicork5199 Před 3 lety

    So I was in online class, and this one kid kept on correcting everyone’s grammar/spelling mistakes (if you do this you are an absolute b) so this 1 time I argued with him about it and he said “Shut up, you don’t have anything interesting to say!” I said “Do you?” Which I thought was a great comeback line, but he was too dumb to understand and just said “Huh? I’m confused.” At that point I tried to explain it to him and after that he just said “It’s asked, not aksed.” So I stopped 😂

  • @lizzy512hh
    @lizzy512hh Před 2 lety +1

    OMGG I HAVE ONE. Okay so my grandpa died when I was 7 because of cancer okay and it was very heart breaking and I had another cousin(lily) who was the same age as me and one 3 years older(max) then me. 6 years after he died we got together and started talking shit about our relatives. Then some how we got to the conversation of my grandpa’s and grandma’s relationship. We started talking about there 16 year age gap when they got married and lily was absolutely mad about it calling it pedophilia. But me and max kept on arguing that they absolutely loved each other to death so it didn’t really matter but she didn’t accept it and just kept on going off about it and how it’s wrong she ended up said “ look he died when she was only 30 because of old age” which was not true and made no sense because they are only 16 years apart and when she was 30 he was 46 and he died when he was 71 because of cancer not old age. Me and max kept on telling her he died when he was 71 and because of cancer but kept on saying that he died because of old age when he was 46 and my grandma was 30. Me and max just gave up and that point and realized that she is so stupid and stubborn. It’s all I got but yeah

  • @81kWorm
    @81kWorm Před 4 lety +3

    When I tell kids on roblox who glitch to get an advantage in games that it counts as cheating and they ALWAYS say "Its not patched by the developers so it's not cheating" like :^| k

  • @My-Name420
    @My-Name420 Před 4 lety

    People who pretend to be disabled and mock those who are sound like complete idiots.

  • @sugarfreesemen1391
    @sugarfreesemen1391 Před 4 lety

    I'm upset the tea one made perfect sense to me and I stupid

  • @tankofnova9022
    @tankofnova9022 Před 4 lety

    And people say Twitter is the king of toxicity

  • @Blitzkrieg_Wolf
    @Blitzkrieg_Wolf Před 4 lety

    Isn't there a compound word for this? "Cognitive Dissidence"

  • @bobfranklin2572
    @bobfranklin2572 Před 3 lety +1

    Basically any antivaxxer

  • @bambigarduno5513
    @bambigarduno5513 Před 4 lety

    Some people are just stupid

  • @spiritbaki108
    @spiritbaki108 Před 4 lety +1

    3 - 2 = -2+3

  • @quinneth3815
    @quinneth3815 Před 4 lety

    Lmao I spent 2 hours trying to see a Zarries side of view and wondering wtf they see, and they couldn’t give me any good “proof” while I was giving amazing proof off of the top of my head about Larry.
    (This is an argument about Zarry, aka zayn Malik and Harry styles, being real)

  • @ChaoticTheRobot
    @ChaoticTheRobot Před 4 lety

    hEy THat gUY iS In sMaSh

  • @SiegeTF
    @SiegeTF Před 4 lety

    A (former) Facebook friend who leans so far to the left he seems to have had a stroke went to the CHAZ in Seattle and was posted about how he had a blast and 'how hard is it to say no to racism?'
    I answered 'about as hard as saying no to domestic terrorism' and unfriended him. Done bashing my head against that brick wall.

  • @antebellumstage
    @antebellumstage Před 2 lety

    Bro. That's my profile picture

  • @someaustralianguy4807
    @someaustralianguy4807 Před 4 lety

    Needing to convince my friend that the new star wars trilogy sucks

  • @dimitrilium3912
    @dimitrilium3912 Před 4 lety +3

    Whenever I talk to a democrat.

  • @yaelpeleg4798
    @yaelpeleg4798 Před 3 lety

    1≠2 and 1≠3 so 2=3😂

  • @Seaneey
    @Seaneey Před 4 lety

    You just stop arguing politics, most people are bath faith actors.

  • @mizunashi995
    @mizunashi995 Před 4 lety +2

    big chungus

  • @memesamurai1240
    @memesamurai1240 Před 4 lety

    Okay that one girl the Sil one I am a Republican supporter and I don't believe her

  • @synthpilot23
    @synthpilot23 Před 4 lety +2

    Wassup frog

  • @monke6622
    @monke6622 Před 4 lety +2

    E 5th like also I wanted to watch this

  • @yochp9693
    @yochp9693 Před rokem

    Anytime someone tells me they voted for trump.

  • @oscarsanford1032
    @oscarsanford1032 Před 4 lety +2

    9th

  • @nicolesearl4140
    @nicolesearl4140 Před 4 lety +1

    Sup fam

  • @mikhailgil6174
    @mikhailgil6174 Před 4 lety

    U know whats toxic? GMO

  • @foxygames165
    @foxygames165 Před 4 lety +2

    Arguing with left-wingers.

    • @TheRoorkesy
      @TheRoorkesy Před 4 lety +2

      Arguing with anybody who has chosen a "side" in politics, left or right. Politicians and the parties they represent are NOT sports teams. Voters need to be flexible and be prepared to shift thier allegiances as the relevent parties we choose from do.
      I will support my football club no matter how poor they are performing. However, I will only support politicians/parties who are performing at a decent standard. Which means major parties will get no support from me any time soon.