Hughie definitely didn't deserve any of that shit told to him but Annie is probably suffering from impostor syndrome. Shifter rubbed it in her face how she is powerless and how obsessed she is with having moral high ground, always excusing her mistakes. That feeling of inadequacy probably bled into how she feels about her relationship, thinking that maybe deep down he is getting tired of her issues.
@@justindai8401 the sudden intimacy is probably why he didn’t know she was the shapeshifter at first hand. He thought Annie was making love to him because of what he’s been through so he didn’t think about it at the time
@@justindai8401 yeah but at the same time hughie is going though alot of shit he lost his father and got SA i mean in hughie pov he was probably thinking that annie was doing all that she did to cheer him up which is why he went along with it
I know so many people got so many problems with this scene, but my only real beef is how and why Kimiko keeps losing hand to hand fights, especially against someone starlight could beat hand to hand. She's a trained child soldier who only fights with her bare hands. You think she'd be able to throw down a little harder.
Marvel talked about this briefly in the comics with Deadpool, when he went to Taskmaster for some training (I think it’s when Wade had his power suppressed for a while but then kept getting his ass kicked). Basically, his fighting was good, but he’d also gotten lazy with his defensive work because he knew he could heal from anything. I think that is basically the thought here too
@@rocknorris9508 that's very fair, but Kimiko is way more serious than Deadpool, and is, generally speaking, fighting for higher stakes. I just think she'd be more on her A game protecting the president lol.
It's called "The Worf Effect." Basically, you take this badass character, typically the biggest and toughest of the protagonists, and then have the villain wipe the floor with him to make them appear stronger by comparison.
Can we talk abt how good Erin Moriarty did this episode, she has to play 2 radically different characters while trying to make them seem like they're actually talking, and how she plays the shifter character is honestly gold.
Thanks for the comment. I'm kind of tired of people talking only about how she looks even though it's been a long time. Her acting still remains decent
Yeah. Like maybe they made a mistake, maybe they didn't think things through. They could still atleast acknowledge it. It sucks cause the last two episodes seem to be fine. The plot is finally in motion properly. This season had too much filler which gave birth to that fuckery in ep 6.
@@theblaze5530 Yeah who knows. I mean I know the Boys isn't meant to be a happy show by any means and they're all fucked up some ways but damn. Just seems excessive.
@@theblaze5530 there a little busy. Ya know? World going to shit?while I’m sorry for him, thy got to prioritize and stopping homelander is top priority. And they did acknowledge it towards the end
Props to Erin Moriarty for her genuinely great acting as the Shifter. I completely believed that her character was someone pretending to be Starlight, and she portrayed it in a creepy way perfectly
She truly is a GREAT actress, been a fan of her since True Detective S1, the daughter of Marty Hart. Then Blood Father, then The Boys. I do not know what she is going through, but as the actress who played Skylar White in Breaking Bad, I do hope that the health issues and changes are temporary, as she - Erin, is very young and gifted, a '94 child. She still is evolving and this is just the beginning of a wonderful career. Hopefully she can be herself and leave all the social pressure aside, the "beauty standards" are a killer of femininity these days. Erin is 100 thousand times more interesting than any Kardashian bish that ever lived, surgery or not, I believe in her!
@augustinadriancristea5873 it honestly doesn't look like health issues. It's plastic surgery. An expert did a video analysis and even named some procedures.
Is anyone else not okay with the way they’ve treated Hughie this season? Dude’s had his dad die, been SA’d in a dungeon, been SA’d by the shapeshifter & they’ve treated it like a joke. I really thought at the end they’d have him talk about all the trauma he’s accumulated in this season alone, but no, they they have Starlight digging into him about how hard her life is & how he should’ve magically known the shapeshifter wasn’t her. If any of the stuff that happened to Hughie happened to a female character then there’d be an uproar.
Yes!! And now he has the guilt of leading Victoria (who was his close friend before, and that kind of sentiment isn't entirely erasable) to her death and orphaning Zoe. But also, the fact that the shapeshifter has access to the MEMORIES of who they shift into really did not make it any easier for Hughie, since it's not like the shapeshifter made any major fumbles. Starlight knew based on the conversations with the shifter that their powers let them into her mind and memories; with that in mind and the huge amount of stress and other pressing matters Hughie had to deal with, she should've cut him a lot more slack. Hughie's still freshly grieving the loss of his father (the sole parent who raised him), reeling from sexual assault from his childhood hero and Ashley, and then has been sexually assaulted again by someone posing as his serious girlfriend.
sometimes I think about Hughie’s SA scene. Like what if the boys wrote Hughie’s SA as a joke to show the audience how men’s SA’s are treated in today’s society.
A shape shifter WITH the ability to read minds and access memories is fucking terrifying lmao. If anything remotely close to that ever existed we'd be fucked.
I don't understand her powers, if she get beheaded, would she die or regenerate like Deadpool? That time when she got her hand cut off seems to implies the latter 🤔
I’m sorry but Annie could have given a better beat down to the shape shifter. The way she beat the sonic coins out of Firecracker should have been the same energy Annie gave to her imposter.
so the only one in the room who could stand up to the shapeshifter (Kimiko), is the first to run with the president while letting all those from the security detail get butchered? amazing writing
this season really showed us how good some of their casting decisions actually were. i only know about erin from this show and honestly didn't think she was that good until i saw the finale.
The fight scene is really well-written! Hughie is shoved against the wall and is unharmed (can run seconds later). MM is shoved against the wall and is unharmed (can run seconds later). 1-st guard is slightly pushed with one hand and is instantly killed. 2-nd guard is instantly killed. 3-rd guard is instantly killed. 4-th guard got his neck bit off. Kimiko is super killed. You really can't tell if the main characters will survive or not.
I don't get how people can get invested in this show. Literally no "main" character will die. There is nothing at stake. They have plenty of useless characters that they could kill off like "I can't talk"-Kimiko or Frenchie. Literally no one cares about them and their awkward little love story.
well it would be a pretty boring show if the superheroes realistically just obliterated the boys. with this logic why doesnt homelander just come laser them all in their sleep
What confuses me is that period of time where Kimiko is perfectly aware of what is happening, watching people being killed one by one, and not stepping in to stop the imposter until *after* she has killed every other guard and non named character present. She then immediately goes on to restrain her and only loses hold of her because she gets distracted (somehow) by the guys walking by. There was literally nothing stopping her from doing that the instant that the imposter punched MM.
typical movie stuff. butttttttt kimikos priority was to defend the president so maybe she just didnt want to leap out to attack the shifter, cuz if the shifter dodges and rushes towards singer, then its mission failed yk.
Why the fuck do they think the shapeshifter is even dead? Starlight did a chokehold and released her immediately after she passed out, she would be back concious in like 2 minutes. Chokeholds only kill people if you keep depriving the brain of oxygen by not letting go
@@SuryaGupta-te7fq yeah pretty wild how Kripke openly admits in an interview that he thinks SA against men is funny, all the criticisms mustve gotten to him because that man is not right in the head
To be fair it was a really bad time for her, she had to deglove herself, get kidney stones, spend 10 days in a locked house where she was likely less then 10 feet from any defications she had, sleep by it, kill someone who was wearing her face etc etc. she probably wasnt mad at Hughie specifically I think she was just mad in general after going through that. Also she and him made up almost instantly
@@shantanuvarun9900 You're getting mad for no reason. This season is weak but the finale was great. Season 3 was a great season too, not just s1 because the characters were extremely well written
Mothers milk and hughie get slammed into a wall the agent gets slammed into a desk halting only half his momentum guy get beaten by golf club chick gets slammed into coat rack guy gets throat torn out seems like bad writing to me
Yes, because your intake of oxygen do not care about all those things. Ronaldo do not outrun Bolt and Bolt is not going to be better at fotbal then Ronaldo.
Center mass shots kill most people that aren’t bullet proof supes are something most police/security/military’s cannot counter sense their isn’t one most are bullet proof to anything that isn’t a naval cannon so they aren’t trained sense the ideology is still “supes good”
@@odinwarlock2436 but shes clearly capable of it, she gave a more brutal beating to Firecracker a few episodes ago. Makes no sense she chooses the easiest, least brutal way for Shifter to go out. People have to stop defending bad writing, I'm seriously concerned how bad season 5's writing could be
@@SuryaGupta-te7fq Firecracker leaked her medical records live. She was furious and not thinking clearly. She only beat up Firecracker. A few punches to the face hardly make her Butcher. This is only bad writing because you decided days ago and haven't thought critically about it since.
She's died 6 times that I remember. Gutted by Black Noir, necked snapped twice, shot in the head twice, blown in half with a grenade launcher. She might've also died when she faceplanted out the window this season.
How come when she pushes Hughie and MM into a solid brick wall they survive but that agent gets pushed into a filing cabinet and it's an instant kill? Also Ryan pushed Mallorey into a wall and it breaks her kneck
there’s very little distance between them and the wall. Shorter distance = less time to accelerate = less speed = hurt less I got that and I’m bad at physics, but you seem to better than me at writing failed internet essays so i guess we can call it even.
@@wizofhellthat’s not how physics work. In case of a collision there is a really important acceleration for a short period of time but the moment the shapeshifter wasn’t in contact anymore the acceleration would have been null. And it’s obvious, no force = no acceleration so no contact no acceleration, in fact the further the people were from the wall the slower they would have been at the moment of impact due to air resistance. The reason why MM and Hughie survived is because instead of having a small area of contact they hit a wall. Therefore their whole body took the hit, while the snapped back guy hit a table and the lady hit a coat hanger. But even then even though surviving from the impact on the wall is plausible they should have been way more hurt than what we see.
@@Bopmyglizzyeah that’s the one thing I always found shitty about her powers. She’s kinda useless, like you said she just isn’t durable. So although she regenerates, she still gets ripped apart way too often lol
@@johnnybravo8129 wouldn’t say she is useless tho there has been many times where she saved the boys asses, she is good for holding off threats too and I think the writers just use her as a shock value puppet. Writers tend to do that with characters with super healing just to show off gore or their powers tbh
Kimiko gets treated like Thor in the comics. Shit on at every turn. Lose an arm, lose a leg, broken neck …twice. But she can’t actually ever win a fight? C’mon man.
"Seggs" solve everything mentality.😂 I think this is the reason why Netflix push so much bangin scene in their recent shows straight to your face in the first episode because the demand is for people like you haha
You realize that the shapeshifter having sex with hughie was assault right? Like you can't pretend to be someone else to have sex and have it be consensual
the only issue that they were using some mere pistols, instead of some powerful weapons. Like, we saw that Minigun or Sniper rifles can hold Supe a bit, so why not to use this kind of weapon?
you’re a child aren’t you? let me guess you’re 11? You watch this show behind your parents back? You probably just watch this show for the action and edgy stuff if you didn’t even know that was singer the president-elect the whole time lmaoo. I remember being your age. I was the same
She’s not as strong physically as most supes we’ve seen. It’s just her healing factor that’s what gives her an edge. She’s like Deadpool when he gets fucked up by people with better skills or strength but he keeps coming back eventually. Only one we’ve seen Kimiko take pretty fairly on Homelander’s side is Firecracker.
Everyone else is just way stronger than her. If she had some sort of weapon to use then maybe she could fight better. Like how Wolverine has claws, Blade has....blades lol, etc.
Anyone else notice they’ve downplayed kimko A LOT this season? Yes her regen powers have seen to be OP this season but they seemed to use her as a living punching bag and less of the deadly weapon she use to be. I think they did this in the plot to make starlight look more badass. I mean even butcher complimented tk kesler on how kimko was strong asf, saying starlight was useless. They showed here starlight took shifter down with little to no struggle and kimko on the other hand go her shit rocked. This is the same kimko that gave og noir a good fight (yes noir won but to think how much longer the fight would’ve gone if noir didn’t use any knives or weapons) while noir was throwing starlight around until maeve came to her rescue. Also kimko was able to keep up with storm front hand to hand up until stormfront used her lightning powers on her. One of the problem’s on the show is their showing of consistency within the character’s powers. Now it seems like every supe has a set of unique powers but have heightened strength, but kimko was seemed to have above the normal strength. I mean yea she mostly tears through humans but even before when she had gone through other supes she put in the work. She got a few good hits on with noir in their fight and was beating stormfront’s ass until the lightning shot. She had no good strength feats this season. I mean even useless firecracker was pretty much on par/beating kimko, even if kimko was drunk, still it’s kjmko, she should’ve put her down easy, drunk or not. The final with the boys getting taken, I expected more of a fight between her and Sam, kinda disappointing. But then again Sam is a menace and very strong and cate told him to feel nothing so the punch might’ve affected Sam more if that wasn’t the case. I hope in season 5 she is more of a threat and have actual strength feats. Hopefully a rematch between her and Sam. Sam will most likely win for sure, I mean he’s one of the strongest supes, up near homelander, but kimko is a trained killer who may not be as strong, so at least put up a good fight.
@@SebastianEpicurus wrong, that one thing that's wrong is why kimiko instead of fighting her from the get go, she instead escorted singer to the safe which is really dumb when the enemy is just one person. Hughie and MM can literally get killed while she is guarding singer. It was a dumb writing.
@@SebastianEpicurus proves the point that it’s lazy writing. Kimko was a lethal killer who wouldn’t let anyone hurt her family, making her escort singer away doesn’t make sense for kimko, knowing that mm and hugie just got flung into the wall. Even after she tackled and held her down, she shouldn’t have restrained shifter, kimmo should’ve killed the shifter. But due to wanting to redeem starlight’s strength, they had to weaken kimko.
that is literally nearly every single supe in every work of fiction ever btw there are basically no marvel or dc characters that dont have physical powerups that go along with their specific powerups
@@smokeychickenwings1038 Exactly. Go to any superhero wiki page and you see Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Speed, Endurance, etc. Yes, its redundant but that's the whole gimmick of superheroes
The problem is, most superpowers logically require having super strength and durability. Unless you're a psychic or some sort of telekinetic, having powers with no form of durability or strength to wield it kinda just makes you a danger to yourself.
No man, this is every single one... DC and Marvel have a blend of characters of different levels of tankyness. Characters that are one, the other, or neither... Every single dude in this show can just punch heads off and take bullets😑 It just makes characters whose whole thing in the show/s, is being the "strong tough guy tank" character, seem redundant, if "Flashlight Girl" and "Prehensile Genitalia Man" can do the same things as HomeLander, sans eye lasers😮💨
@@DarkEcho119 Yeah but it takes more force to inflict damage when it’s being distributed across someone’s entire back compared to say the surface of a baseball bat, the corner of a wall, etc.
Honestly, after all that time held prisoner Annie didn't just break the Shifter's neck like the Shifter did to Kimiko? Why did she not just take the ring and say, "I believe this belongs to me," and rip that ring off. The only reason Kimiko lost was due to the writers wanting Starlight to fight but they dropped the ball.
some of the excuses and defenses people come up with in the comments for bad writing is making me laugh. People are replying to the comment above yours saying they are nitpicking for pointing out bad writing, this sort of thing is exactly why season 5's writing will be comically bad. Every franchise falls starting with delusional fans claiming nothing from their IP could possibly be bad. I still remember the star wars fans claiming rise of skywalker was good, and I remember marvel fans claiming Captain Marvel was good. Now we have the boys fans claiming season 4 was good, and the boys will end up in the gutter just like these two franchises, mark my words
all the comments talking about how season 4 sucked, but thankfully I'm blessed with the passive ability of not being able to see the bad parts of things unless something is made bad on purpose, or just objectively horrible, I will enjoy watching it edit: I enjoyed the season, but I do understand people's criticisms about it
PLEASE DO WELL TO SUBSCRIBE THANKS🙏
Lol piss off
The fake acting by mm and hughie is so funny 😂😂
MM overly joyful and smiling at that point is such a dead giveaway 😂
I don’t understand why Annie got mad at Hughie for not knowing about the shapeshifter straight away
Yeah me too
Hughie definitely didn't deserve any of that shit told to him but Annie is probably suffering from impostor syndrome. Shifter rubbed it in her face how she is powerless and how obsessed she is with having moral high ground, always excusing her mistakes. That feeling of inadequacy probably bled into how she feels about her relationship, thinking that maybe deep down he is getting tired of her issues.
Well it was kinda obvious. She has never shown as much intimacy before. It was extremely sudden and they know that the shapeshifter was out and about.
@@justindai8401 the sudden intimacy is probably why he didn’t know she was the shapeshifter at first hand. He thought Annie was making love to him because of what he’s been through so he didn’t think about it at the time
@@justindai8401 yeah but at the same time hughie is going though alot of shit he lost his father and got SA i mean in hughie pov he was probably thinking that annie was doing all that she did to cheer him up which is why he went along with it
I know so many people got so many problems with this scene, but my only real beef is how and why Kimiko keeps losing hand to hand fights, especially against someone starlight could beat hand to hand. She's a trained child soldier who only fights with her bare hands. You think she'd be able to throw down a little harder.
I think it's because she's a glass cannon or something
Marvel talked about this briefly in the comics with Deadpool, when he went to Taskmaster for some training (I think it’s when Wade had his power suppressed for a while but then kept getting his ass kicked). Basically, his fighting was good, but he’d also gotten lazy with his defensive work because he knew he could heal from anything. I think that is basically the thought here too
Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Annie pegged Hughie with her strapon
@@rocknorris9508 that's very fair, but Kimiko is way more serious than Deadpool, and is, generally speaking, fighting for higher stakes. I just think she'd be more on her A game protecting the president lol.
It's called "The Worf Effect." Basically, you take this badass character, typically the biggest and toughest of the protagonists, and then have the villain wipe the floor with him to make them appear stronger by comparison.
The actor playing starlight did good af this episode. She really had me believing they were two different people
@@kennethrodriguez6636 You know it's literally erin moriarty playing both roles right???
@@latayesha yeah I know. Just didn’t know her real name at the time so I said the actor playing starlight
@@kennethrodriguez6636 Oooh my bad. I thought you thought it was two different actors!
@@latayesha lol no no
Can we talk abt how good Erin Moriarty did this episode, she has to play 2 radically different characters while trying to make them seem like they're actually talking, and how she plays the shifter character is honestly gold.
Her best performance in the series honestly
Erin is such a good actor, playing an opposite person as herself and you can feel the difference 😭
YEAH we need to talk more about her acting
oh yeah I agree
Thanks for the comment. I'm kind of tired of people talking only about how she looks even though it's been a long time. Her acting still remains decent
@@tomekstec3243fr
it was genuinely so dope this episode man
Hughie's "peg it in all its holes" was a sad line. They really are not addressing his PTSD, are they.
Yeah.
Like maybe they made a mistake, maybe they didn't think things through.
They could still atleast acknowledge it. It sucks cause the last two episodes seem to be fine.
The plot is finally in motion properly. This season had too much filler which gave birth to that fuckery in ep 6.
@@theblaze5530 Yeah who knows. I mean I know the Boys isn't meant to be a happy show by any means and they're all fucked up some ways but damn. Just seems excessive.
@@theblaze5530 there a little busy. Ya know? World going to shit?while I’m sorry for him, thy got to prioritize and stopping homelander is top priority. And they did acknowledge it towards the end
I love Kimiko's face when the shifter goes full vampire mode at 2:03
😯😥😟
Props to Erin Moriarty for her genuinely great acting as the Shifter. I completely believed that her character was someone pretending to be Starlight, and she portrayed it in a creepy way perfectly
She truly is a GREAT actress, been a fan of her since True Detective S1, the daughter of Marty Hart. Then Blood Father, then The Boys.
I do not know what she is going through, but as the actress who played Skylar White in Breaking Bad, I do hope that the health issues and changes are temporary, as she - Erin, is very young and gifted, a '94 child. She still is evolving and this is just the beginning of a wonderful career. Hopefully she can be herself and leave all the social pressure aside, the "beauty standards" are a killer of femininity these days.
Erin is 100 thousand times more interesting than any Kardashian bish that ever lived, surgery or not, I believe in her!
Yea she killed it as the shifter and Annie
@augustinadriancristea5873 it honestly doesn't look like health issues. It's plastic surgery. An expert did a video analysis and even named some procedures.
MM and Hughie handled that horribly
Fax. I'd have just gone for a hug and chilled with her, kept her calm until we had a countermeasure. Stay inconspicuous.
Hughie I understand nervous, but MM? Bro was Marine, experienced, he should have known how to act casual.
@@fridgefreezer9529 MM literally made no sense being that thick minded. Like damn just look forward
@@TheStraightestWhitestif I were there, I'd fucking shit my pants
MM was betrayed by his ocd
Is anyone else not okay with the way they’ve treated Hughie this season? Dude’s had his dad die, been SA’d in a dungeon, been SA’d by the shapeshifter & they’ve treated it like a joke. I really thought at the end they’d have him talk about all the trauma he’s accumulated in this season alone, but no, they they have Starlight digging into him about how hard her life is & how he should’ve magically known the shapeshifter wasn’t her. If any of the stuff that happened to Hughie happened to a female character then there’d be an uproar.
Yes!! And now he has the guilt of leading Victoria (who was his close friend before, and that kind of sentiment isn't entirely erasable) to her death and orphaning Zoe.
But also, the fact that the shapeshifter has access to the MEMORIES of who they shift into really did not make it any easier for Hughie, since it's not like the shapeshifter made any major fumbles. Starlight knew based on the conversations with the shifter that their powers let them into her mind and memories; with that in mind and the huge amount of stress and other pressing matters Hughie had to deal with, she should've cut him a lot more slack. Hughie's still freshly grieving the loss of his father (the sole parent who raised him), reeling from sexual assault from his childhood hero and Ashley, and then has been sexually assaulted again by someone posing as his serious girlfriend.
sometimes I think about Hughie’s SA scene. Like what if the boys wrote Hughie’s SA as a joke to show the audience how men’s SA’s are treated in today’s society.
100%
Hughie is always the punching bag though. He just gets back up. That's literally his character.
I just wonder if its because he hung out with the Red Letter Media guys... but writers wouldnt be petty... right?
Kimiko is like an ultra low rate deadpool 😂😂
Minus the insanity with a dosage of adorableness
@@griffins750 also minus the Freddy Krueger skin condition
@@cliffgiordane2969 true! That does help things a bit 😂
A shape shifter WITH the ability to read minds and access memories is fucking terrifying lmao. If anything remotely close to that ever existed we'd be fucked.
Tbh She can shes basically Loki from the boys. Not the strongest, but a trickster.
fucked? nah fam if she could be real then alot of people would be happie
maybe the strongest she seem to have starlight powers what if she did that to homelander
@@az21bob666she didn’t i’m pretty sure, what made u say that
becoue i intrestind if the shape shifter took homelander powers.
The stupidly slow door is funny especially the President’s reaction.
Thats how you know it isn't Starlight cause she is winning the fights
😂😂😂
Did she and maeve and kimiko not wreck storm front?
@@Xel_gamesyou’re literally proving their point. She had help. Jumping someone isn’t winning the fight yourself.
@@Xel_gamesmaeve carried
@@Tonymobb110 she literally ended the shapeshifter yall think is better than her, yall dense af lmao
she did such a good job playing herself playing the shifter
she be mewing tho
@@leash8932 Hahaha 😐
She didn’t have to go method and get facial reconstruction surgery but I appreciate the dedication to the craft
@@MikeMarlowe-ym3zyWanker
I suppose it is good that kimiko is invincible because of how much she gets her ass handed to her.
Invincible? No Durable? Yes. If you cut her head off she should die.
I don't understand her powers, if she get beheaded, would she die or regenerate like Deadpool?
That time when she got her hand cut off seems to implies the latter 🤔
@@titan_tankerHer powers are similar to Deadpool
Exactly
She's so dissapointing. She basically loses in every supe fight she's been in smh
Erin Moriarty didn't actually get a facelift, it was shifter all along.
I’m sorry but Annie could have given a better beat down to the shape shifter. The way she beat the sonic coins out of Firecracker should have been the same energy Annie gave to her imposter.
True. And lmao at sonic coins. But true.
yeah true but then annie wouldnt have made her badass speech without the shifter dying immediately
Yeah that is a little odd lol
Annie was in the bad here for getting angry at hughie i mean the shapeshifter literally has your memories too
and like how often do you to encounter a literal shapeshifter in your bed to suspect?
so the only one in the room who could stand up to the shapeshifter (Kimiko), is the first to run with the president while letting all those from the security detail get butchered? amazing writing
Exactly, they didn't do it right
@@jonalex9002 She was the only one with a chance to keep him alive long enough to get out. Everyone in the detail was dead anyway.
i think safety of the president comes before the one on one fight, besides, who is to say someone is not waiting outside?
It's obvious right...She should stay with the president...The dead ones are just buying them some time😅
We know it’s you Stormfront 😅
1:32 oh don't tell me vought made that damn door 😂
I'm just gonna say it
I cannot remember a time where Kimiko fought any Supe without getting folded like an omelet
She’s like Deadpool. Got the healing factor but always gets folded by people with superior strength.
shes still good support and a distraction
How is Kimiko so bad at this? She was a child soldier for the longest time.
It’s called bad writing
Its a running gag
Kimiko is strong but it would be bad witting to put her on the level of high level supes.
@@Lharris94shifter isn’t high lvl tho for her to beat kimiko she’d have to be at least like mid level
@@marlom7882 still she is stronger than kimiko. You forgot there's a varied range of strength in the boys.
Erin Moriarty did an amazing job playing the shifter
great actor, just needs a better script
this season really showed us how good some of their casting decisions actually were. i only know about erin from this show and honestly didn't think she was that good until i saw the finale.
1:00
Aside from the pressure of keeping his composure, his trauma is also catching up on his mental health.
Man, I hope Hughie will recover.
Honestly I genuinely think this is the best acting I’ve seen from Erin (starlight) in the whole series. Really showed her calibre
They just nerfed kimiko so hard to make the shifter look better. Lame
MM: "How do you know?"
"Starlight": 🗿
🤦🤡
@@wrestlinginfodude2644?
Love how MM keep looking at her like is looking fr something suspicious so he can have satisfaction that he noticed something wrong too
The fight scene is really well-written!
Hughie is shoved against the wall and is unharmed (can run seconds later).
MM is shoved against the wall and is unharmed (can run seconds later).
1-st guard is slightly pushed with one hand and is instantly killed.
2-nd guard is instantly killed.
3-rd guard is instantly killed.
4-th guard got his neck bit off.
Kimiko is super killed.
You really can't tell if the main characters will survive or not.
kimmy's fine, just another day with a neck re-alignment.
Calm down man that is a serie obviously they dont die like the npcs
I don't get how people can get invested in this show. Literally no "main" character will die. There is nothing at stake. They have plenty of useless characters that they could kill off like "I can't talk"-Kimiko or Frenchie. Literally no one cares about them and their awkward little love story.
well it would be a pretty boring show if the superheroes realistically just obliterated the boys. with this logic why doesnt homelander just come laser them all in their sleep
Erin Moriarty definitely had fun with her role in this episode
OMG! The slow-moving door just got meXD
Her acting is so great. Her evil version is scary. Fvckng cool.
What confuses me is that period of time where Kimiko is perfectly aware of what is happening, watching people being killed one by one, and not stepping in to stop the imposter until *after* she has killed every other guard and non named character present.
She then immediately goes on to restrain her and only loses hold of her because she gets distracted (somehow) by the guys walking by.
There was literally nothing stopping her from doing that the instant that the imposter punched MM.
typical movie stuff. butttttttt kimikos priority was to defend the president so maybe she just didnt want to leap out to attack the shifter, cuz if the shifter dodges and rushes towards singer, then its mission failed yk.
MM told her to defend the president so she followed orders 🤷
I do agree I wish she put up more of a fight against the shifter tho
She defended the president
mfs don't even pay attention and think they can nit pick.
The shittiest getaway route ever. A door that takes half your life to open and a keypad with a 30 number code.
0:20 that fake nice with starlight shapeshifter lol im dying😂
Lmfao
Hughie just can’t catch a break this season.
He should have told Kimiko first. Told her a signal
Kimiko has better combat IQ than that, she should have been able to beat the Shifter. This is just writing
Yeah ridiculuos, she literally smashed stormfront in the season 2. Writers, writers...
shifter maintains every memory of her victims and she just ate that secret service dude, and probably had eaten other people to
hate to tell you this but it's all writing
this is indeed just writing
@@mspy1955 Maeve literally did 95% of damage
Shifter Annie is hilarious.
0:20 the way his face changes LMAOOOO
I was expecting a longer and more satisfying fight between Kimiko, Starlight, and Shapeshifter
Why the fuck do they think the shapeshifter is even dead? Starlight did a chokehold and released her immediately after she passed out, she would be back concious in like 2 minutes. Chokeholds only kill people if you keep depriving the brain of oxygen by not letting go
@TheMasterpiecePD The only guess I have is that Starlight is a Supe with super strength and was just stronger than Shapeshifter?
I love how they focus on the slow ass door😂😂
Hughie realizes they were with shifter instead of starlight all along
This should have been my title, Thanks for the correction
poor hughie, getting SA'd every episode and Kripke thinks its funny
@@SuryaGupta-te7fq yeah pretty wild how Kripke openly admits in an interview that he thinks SA against men is funny, all the criticisms mustve gotten to him because that man is not right in the head
@@JohnMarston-st6zv either that or Kripke enjoys SAing men himself
To be fair it was a really bad time for her, she had to deglove herself, get kidney stones, spend 10 days in a locked house where she was likely less then 10 feet from any defications she had, sleep by it, kill someone who was wearing her face etc etc. she probably wasnt mad at Hughie specifically I think she was just mad in general after going through that. Also she and him made up almost instantly
Every character dies in 1 push but somehow our main characters survive without a scratch 😂
Gotta love the plot armor
the whole season was trash with poor writting. i feel like writers themselves have no clear direction. Only season 1 was good imo
Starlight face memes are pretty funny tho
@@shantanuvarun9900 You're getting mad for no reason. This season is weak but the finale was great.
Season 3 was a great season too, not just s1 because the characters were extremely well written
Mothers milk and hughie get slammed into a wall the agent gets slammed into a desk halting only half his momentum guy get beaten by golf club chick gets slammed into coat rack guy gets throat torn out seems like bad writing to me
These are supes, why would they die in one punch?
How the secret service guy split on the desk like that 😂😂😂
The Shifter is honestly one of the most terrifying villains. Come to think of it the entirety of season 4 was kind of horror themed.
That “hey” 😂😂😂
So, super strength, advanced regeneration, but can’t survive choking…
Yes, because your intake of oxygen do not care about all those things. Ronaldo do not outrun Bolt and Bolt is not going to be better at fotbal then Ronaldo.
transluscent's skin is basically impenetrable but they can explode him from the inside. more or less same logic.
@@filipmaly6603🤓🤓🤓
@@tylerhartley5031 ....
Advanced regeneration?
Damn, can't believe the shapeshifter killed Starlight like that...
who would have thought starlight hated kimiko so much
@@m21sup For real Starlight was tweaking this episode, needed to be stopped.
You mean the starlight killing the shapeshifter?
@@thebeautyofuniverse5250 Nah the shapeshifter killed her because she was going on a rampage, didn't you see the video?
@@zestyraccoon813 idk about that but I'm talking when the real starlight choked shape-shifting starlight
Nahh the door opening slowly is diabolical🤣
Fahcking diabolical😏
He shot at her body multiple times but not her head! Aren’t they trained for this?
Must agents are trained to hit center mass as its easier to
Ever law enforcement and agency teaches that center mass is easier to hit and has the most important stuff to live.
Center mass shots kill most people that aren’t bullet proof supes are something most police/security/military’s cannot counter sense their isn’t one most are bullet proof to anything that isn’t a naval cannon so they aren’t trained sense the ideology is still “supes good”
I was so hyped for Kimiko vs the Shifter and then the hype quickly went away😂
The way the shape shifter died was just so tame...
I legit thought Annie just knocked her out it was extremely lame
Annie isn't Butcher, or Homelander, she has no reason to be more brutal than she needs to.
@@odinwarlock2436 but shes clearly capable of it, she gave a more brutal beating to Firecracker a few episodes ago. Makes no sense she chooses the easiest, least brutal way for Shifter to go out. People have to stop defending bad writing, I'm seriously concerned how bad season 5's writing could be
@@SuryaGupta-te7fq Firecracker leaked her medical records live. She was furious and not thinking clearly. She only beat up Firecracker. A few punches to the face hardly make her Butcher.
This is only bad writing because you decided days ago and haven't thought critically about it since.
Did anybody count how many times Kimiko died😂
She's died at least 5 times
She's died 6 times that I remember. Gutted by Black Noir, necked snapped twice, shot in the head twice, blown in half with a grenade launcher. She might've also died when she faceplanted out the window this season.
Can we appreciate the security door
MM's fake ahh smile when the shifter swooped in 😂
"The fate of the country relies on us keeping our shit together so just chill" and then they proceed to act like this 0:26 lmao
Hughie finally noticed the plastic surgery Starlight went through.
I was expecting this comment
That marine woman sure had some hang-ups.
Kimiko forgot how to kimiko
I'm just glad that annie got to kill off the shifter
yeah they finally gave a win
How come when she pushes Hughie and MM into a solid brick wall they survive but that agent gets pushed into a filing cabinet and it's an instant kill? Also Ryan pushed Mallorey into a wall and it breaks her kneck
Ryan is infinitely stronger than the shapeshifter though
cuz they didnt forgor putting their plot armour on
there’s very little distance between them and the wall.
Shorter distance = less time to accelerate = less speed = hurt less
I got that and I’m bad at physics, but you seem to better than me at writing failed internet essays so i guess we can call it even.
@@wizofhellthat’s not how physics work. In case of a collision there is a really important acceleration for a short period of time but the moment the shapeshifter wasn’t in contact anymore the acceleration would have been null. And it’s obvious, no force = no acceleration so no contact no acceleration, in fact the further the people were from the wall the slower they would have been at the moment of impact due to air resistance.
The reason why MM and Hughie survived is because instead of having a small area of contact they hit a wall. Therefore their whole body took the hit, while the snapped back guy hit a table and the lady hit a coat hanger.
But even then even though surviving from the impact on the wall is plausible they should have been way more hurt than what we see.
@@ryznak4814 All I got from that paragraph was that wall stops speed better than air resistance slowing anything down.
Hughie and MM suck at playing it cool 💀
Fr crumbled faster than kanye failed his quick time event.
You realize you’re trapped in a den with one shapeshifter , how are you supposed to play very cool when she’s literally the only Supe around too…😂😂
@@marv_reginald Just act casual? Like open the bottle and drink casual, make some small talk and that.
@@marv_reginald They, especially MM, do this shit for a living. And they have their own supe. It was trash writing.
@@TheStraightestWhitest maybe they were just shocked it was Annie, their own team partner
kimiko can't ever win a fight against another supe
She is physically weaker and less durable than most of them. And if they can fight she is genuinely cooked
@@Bopmyglizzyeah that’s the one thing I always found shitty about her powers. She’s kinda useless, like you said she just isn’t durable. So although she regenerates, she still gets ripped apart way too often lol
@@johnnybravo8129 wouldn’t say she is useless tho there has been many times where she saved the boys asses, she is good for holding off threats too and I think the writers just use her as a shock value puppet. Writers tend to do that with characters with super healing just to show off gore or their powers tbh
If you watch the show she has actually beaten multiple other supes before including supes that are better than her
@@Bopmyglizz
I mean, reusable canon fodder has its merits
I love how they keep using guns on the supes even though it doesn't even damage them.
Kimiko gets treated like Thor in the comics. Shit on at every turn. Lose an arm, lose a leg, broken neck …twice. But she can’t actually ever win a fight? C’mon man.
The fucked up a train that one time.
fr, she was trained since a child to kill people like wtf, only reason she dies so much is cuz she has regeneration powers and gore sells ig.
She scratches people. These enemies are bulletproof. wtf is she supposed to do?
0:45 MM’s reaction is me when my bro tells me about some stupid shit he did
The only time Starlight wins a fight is when shes not using her power lmao
Lmaooo
At this point kimiko is kenny from south park
Lmao
The best thing here is kimiko talking, starlight flying, butcher using temp V & soldier boy, kate, cindy & sam showed up 😀 👍
Didn't he take actual V, not temp?
Butcher took Perma V
@@Ghostly_One1 no that's temp V compound V would have give him his old powers but the powers he got are similar to that bunny he killed in episode 6
Temp V gave him cancer, perm V made the cancer sentimental
@@kristianhansen8746this
Starlight wasn’t giving Hughie any of that good good throughout the entire season. This was a nice break for Hughie.
"Seggs" solve everything mentality.😂
I think this is the reason why Netflix push so much bangin scene in their recent shows straight to your face in the first episode because the demand is for people like you haha
You realize that the shapeshifter having sex with hughie was assault right? Like you can't pretend to be someone else to have sex and have it be consensual
2:08 Her reaction is funny to me.☠️
She did sigma face
@@jedicraftmaster2426 The Greek letter?
idk maybe cause SHE BIT A DUDE'S NECK OFF
One annoying part of the Boys group is that they still use guns knowing that they are fighting the Supes🤨
Guns work on some types of supes, though, so it's not totally redundant.
the only issue that they were using some mere pistols, instead of some powerful weapons. Like, we saw that Minigun or Sniper rifles can hold Supe a bit, so why not to use this kind of weapon?
@muascar3076 probably more difficult to carry around/ concealed. You can't just walk around with guns like that without raising eyebrows
not all supes are bullet proof
1:10 It’s Kimiko not being locked in that does it😂. If Hughie scared as hell and has to use his eyes to signal you then that’s a sign to jump
MM's expression when he went "heyyy" LMAOOO
me telling my friend to not swear in front of my parents
I lose my shit with that door gag
Cool fight scene but yeah....Kimiko shouldn't have lost that quickly.
Still cool visually though.
The shifter is clearly stronger than the average supe. She ate bullets like it’s nothing
@@alvadagansta Oh for sure on that it's just....still Kimiko went down too fast to me lol. Her just being "distracted" shouldn't have been enough imo.
Bro got the meanest back crack 1:24
Lol😂
Chiropractors be like
need me some like that
Reminds of me of when OmniMan snapped one of Cecil's men literally in two across the kitchen counter top...
got him on a 90 degree angle
Obviously the shifter's weakness is heat
I like how they used "Male voice in pain 23" from a Sony sound library for a female soldier.
This killed me😂😂😂 what time?
Kimiko has gotten nerfed on this show 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, a bit disappointing.
@@LiamPowelluuu2 right!
Her regeneration is insane tho
At least she can't die
@@maverickmarcellana4249 for now
I can't get over M.M's face in the beginning lol😂
is m.m sick irl or he just lost alot of muscle?
He shaved his beard and lost some weight. lol
1:14 the way the golfer got happy that the ball went in the hole is hilarious
The golfer? Mf that is the President elect Singer lmao
@@cosmo8860not anymore 😮💨😭
@@cosmo8860 not if Donald Trump has anything to say about that! TRUMP 2024 BABY!!!!!!
Bobby even said idgit and balls like in Supernatural lol
you’re a child aren’t you? let me guess you’re 11? You watch this show behind your parents back? You probably just watch this show for the action and edgy stuff if you didn’t even know that was singer the president-elect the whole time lmaoo. I remember being your age. I was the same
Kimiko actually overpowered Starlight before she got destructed
Kimko is literally a trained mercenary and she stay losing lol
She’s not as strong physically as most supes we’ve seen. It’s just her healing factor that’s what gives her an edge. She’s like Deadpool when he gets fucked up by people with better skills or strength but he keeps coming back eventually. Only one we’ve seen Kimiko take pretty fairly on Homelander’s side is Firecracker.
bro kimiko legit saved them so many times i've lost count
Everyone else is just way stronger than her. If she had some sort of weapon to use then maybe she could fight better. Like how Wolverine has claws, Blade has....blades lol, etc.
the shifter didnt even flinch while she was shot at countless times…kimiko is already overpowered by the shifters stamina
I remember when Kimiko used to give a hard time to Black Noir and A-Train but now the idiot writers nerfed her to make Starlight look stronger
I like the way she notices something's odd
they don't drink the water, which is smart on their part but also a dead giveaway
“Yup we did that, that is a thing…that we did” 😂😂😂
Anyone else notice they’ve downplayed kimko A LOT this season? Yes her regen powers have seen to be OP this season but they seemed to use her as a living punching bag and less of the deadly weapon she use to be. I think they did this in the plot to make starlight look more badass. I mean even butcher complimented tk kesler on how kimko was strong asf, saying starlight was useless. They showed here starlight took shifter down with little to no struggle and kimko on the other hand go her shit rocked. This is the same kimko that gave og noir a good fight (yes noir won but to think how much longer the fight would’ve gone if noir didn’t use any knives or weapons) while noir was throwing starlight around until maeve came to her rescue. Also kimko was able to keep up with storm front hand to hand up until stormfront used her lightning powers on her. One of the problem’s on the show is their showing of consistency within the character’s powers. Now it seems like every supe has a set of unique powers but have heightened strength, but kimko was seemed to have above the normal strength. I mean yea she mostly tears through humans but even before when she had gone through other supes she put in the work. She got a few good hits on with noir in their fight and was beating stormfront’s ass until the lightning shot. She had no good strength feats this season. I mean even useless firecracker was pretty much on par/beating kimko, even if kimko was drunk, still it’s kjmko, she should’ve put her down easy, drunk or not. The final with the boys getting taken, I expected more of a fight between her and Sam, kinda disappointing. But then again Sam is a menace and very strong and cate told him to feel nothing so the punch might’ve affected Sam more if that wasn’t the case. I hope in season 5 she is more of a threat and have actual strength feats. Hopefully a rematch between her and Sam. Sam will most likely win for sure, I mean he’s one of the strongest supes, up near homelander, but kimko is a trained killer who may not be as strong, so at least put up a good fight.
wrong. Kimiko straight up tackled and held the shifter down, until Hughie and MM got away, distracting Kimiko, allowing shifter to have the upper hand
@@SebastianEpicurus wrong, that one thing that's wrong is why kimiko instead of fighting her from the get go, she instead escorted singer to the safe which is really dumb when the enemy is just one person. Hughie and MM can literally get killed while she is guarding singer. It was a dumb writing.
@@SebastianEpicurus proves the point that it’s lazy writing. Kimko was a lethal killer who wouldn’t let anyone hurt her family, making her escort singer away doesn’t make sense for kimko, knowing that mm and hugie just got flung into the wall. Even after she tackled and held her down, she shouldn’t have restrained shifter, kimmo should’ve killed the shifter. But due to wanting to redeem starlight’s strength, they had to weaken kimko.
Every single supe having super strength and invulnerability just makes there actual unique powers seem stupid and redundant.
that is literally nearly every single supe in every work of fiction ever btw
there are basically no marvel or dc characters that dont have physical powerups that go along with their specific powerups
@@smokeychickenwings1038 Xavier?
@@smokeychickenwings1038 Exactly. Go to any superhero wiki page and you see Enhanced Strength, Enhanced Speed, Endurance, etc. Yes, its redundant but that's the whole gimmick of superheroes
The problem is, most superpowers logically require having super strength and durability. Unless you're a psychic or some sort of telekinetic, having powers with no form of durability or strength to wield it kinda just makes you a danger to yourself.
No man, this is every single one...
DC and Marvel have a blend of characters of different levels of tankyness. Characters that are one, the other, or neither...
Every single dude in this show can just punch heads off and take bullets😑
It just makes characters whose whole thing in the show/s, is being the "strong tough guy tank" character, seem redundant, if "Flashlight Girl" and "Prehensile Genitalia Man" can do the same things as HomeLander, sans eye lasers😮💨
The plot armor is insane lmao, she push other people and died, but the main people got push got up like nothing lmao
She push less hard On this, se encariñó un poco con huguie
Yeah because the other people got pushed into sharp objects and they only got pushed onto a flat wall. There's a difference.
@@saucevc8353 You've never heard of blunt force trauma I take it
@@DarkEcho119 Yeah but it takes more force to inflict damage when it’s being distributed across someone’s entire back compared to say the surface of a baseball bat, the corner of a wall, etc.
it wasnt meant to kill them. the mission was to blame starlight and her friends to be the presidents killers
I hate how the show glossed over what actually happened to Hughie.
Joe Kessler’s summary of The Boys was so spot on….
Team Butcher/Kessler
I love Kimiko's fighting stance
Honestly, after all that time held prisoner Annie didn't just break the Shifter's neck like the Shifter did to Kimiko? Why did she not just take the ring and say, "I believe this belongs to me," and rip that ring off. The only reason Kimiko lost was due to the writers wanting Starlight to fight but they dropped the ball.
some of the excuses and defenses people come up with in the comments for bad writing is making me laugh. People are replying to the comment above yours saying they are nitpicking for pointing out bad writing, this sort of thing is exactly why season 5's writing will be comically bad.
Every franchise falls starting with delusional fans claiming nothing from their IP could possibly be bad. I still remember the star wars fans claiming rise of skywalker was good, and I remember marvel fans claiming Captain Marvel was good. Now we have the boys fans claiming season 4 was good, and the boys will end up in the gutter just like these two franchises, mark my words
all the comments talking about how season 4 sucked, but thankfully I'm blessed with the passive ability of not being able to see the bad parts of things
unless something is made bad on purpose, or just objectively horrible, I will enjoy watching it
edit: I enjoyed the season, but I do understand people's criticisms about it
I really enjoyed this season. The first half was rocky, but I liked the second half.
the tek knight epsiode was the only bad one, everything else was good exposition and ended off with the best epsiode ever in the boys(the finale)
I enjoyed it
I enjoyed it, it was very roller coaster
Kimiko lasted longer fighting against Black Noir. But a supe who gets beaten by a weaken Annie is somehow stronger than Kimiko?
Life is not an rpg game
@@JM-mh1pp Yes but this is fiction.
@@JM-mh1ppLife is not a TV show.
She's not stronger, she just snapped her neck
bruh black noir cokc her in like fking 3 seconds.... i lover her but you need to stop thiking she is goin to win with people with more power than her
Hughie went through some tragic shit this season lol.