Hands On With the Dynaudio Emit 20
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Thank you for the review Erin. I think the description of "not perfect, but enjoyable" is a very fair assessment of our entry level range. Like you said, there is no perfect speaker, but our aim is to create products that let you enjoy the music.
Like with the Heritage Special review, I am not going to flood the comments section with a lot of answers for everyone who made a comment, however if anyone has a question they would like our official answer to, feel free to reach out here, and I'll do my best to reply.
One thing I'd like to point out is that the 6-800 Hz resonance is indeed the cone/surround breakup, and my comments to that is the same as with the Heritage Special review: It is not a "flaw" per se, but a result of the design choices that led to the overall sound character that we are aiming for.
/Otto Jørgensen, Dynaudio Academy
Hello Dynaudio Academy. I recently listened to the Evoke 20 (in the beautiful white finish) and fell in love. Unfortunately, as a dad of two, I cannot afford them. Recently, I've read that the Emit 20's share a similar tweeter and mid bass driver. Are the Emits a large downgrade? Sadly, the shop where I auditioned the Evoke 20s does not carry the Emit series. Thank you!
Hi@@ramondelgado6778. It is true that they share a lot of components, and are in many was quite similar. While the Evoke is better in several ways, you will definitely regognize it as a similar speaker, especially if comparing to other brands, which will inevitably be much more different. Also consider that the difference between your own room and the in-store demo-room is likely bigger than the difference between the speakers. If you liked the Evoke 20, but it's out of reach, the Emit 20 comes pretty close, at less than half the price.
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@@DynaudioAcademy Your reply is greatly appreciated. Can you please confirm which components are shared and what should I expect to miss going with the Emit 20? The Emit seems to be what I an afford and love that it comes in white. Thanks again!!!!
From a technical standpoint, the tweeter is the same. The woofer is the same but with steel basket instead of aluminium, and a bucking magnet to compensate for the lack of BL this causes. The cabinet is actually larger in the Emit 20, due to the sides not being slanted, so ultimate bass output is at least similar if not slightly better. The approach to the crossover design is slightly different, with a simpler design in the Emit. Most of the difference is in the cabinet design, with the Evoke cabinet being both visibly and audibly a higher-end design.
Measured distortion is lower in the Evoke, and max volume before audible distortion is consequently a little higher. It's not night-and-day though.
I usually don't go deep into the subjective experience, as this can be quite personal and your experience may differ from mine. But I will argue that you will experience an overall quite similar sound, but with a little less "finesse". Honestly, the visual difference is larger than the audible difference. I think most people that like one, will like the other.@@ramondelgado6778
@@DynaudioAcademy That really helps me a lot! I appreciate your time and consideration. I think I'm going to go with the Emit 20 as they are on sale here in the U.S. now for $787.00.
Erin, your speaker reviews are the best I have seen on CZcams ( I also do like Amir's reviews). Objective data is important, and I greatly appreciate that you put the subjective listening impressions in context with the objective measured data. That is invaluable. Your reviews give me a better sense of what a speaker really sounds like, which is difficult to get from reviews that are solely based on listening impressions.
I talked to Dynaudio engineers years ago, the Contour 1.3SE was very high thought of. Many of your new speakers were based upon that. They became the Confidence series. The 1.3SE was the most purchased speaker by Dynaudio engineers.
why not both music and movies because thats what we really want a well rounded all in one passive speaker that can tackle anything you throw at it minus the low low bass
@@blaze2051 whether for music or movies, it is audio reproduction. Erin's reviews, including subjective data and, more importantly, objective data, inform the audience how a speaker will perform for audio reproduction. Any speakers Erin recommends will perform well for music and movies. Pick one of those models. Then, check out Erin's subwoofer reviews (and/or subwoofer reviews from other reviewers who provide objective data) and select one of those models. Next, purchase the quantities you need and you are done with your speaker selections.
I bought the Emit 20 last weekend and have been comparing it to the KLH Model 3 for the past few days. I’m using Marantz PM6006 and Arcam SA20 integrated amplifiers in a well treated space.
Both speakers are very different but both very good! Musically I’m all over the map, rock, jazz, country, metal, orchestral, etc….IMO the Model 3s are snappier and more dynamic, the Emit 20s have a more suave, sophisticated (if muted) sound. I used Stevie Ray Vaughn’s “Tin Pan Alley aka roughest place in town” as a reference. The bass note’s through the Dyns was amazing, the guitar riffs ethereal…SRVs voice was recessed, muted even. The deep bass with the KLH was not as deed, mid bass was great, vocal attack was spectacular! Spacial cues are amazing on both speakers.
These are both spectacular speakers for the money (and even more), the KLH are for the days you want to effing rock out, the Dyns for relaxing after a hard days work. I can hardly believe that speakers this good can be purchased for this few dollars! My “gold standard” speakers are Dynaudio Contour 1.3 SEs powered by Krell FPB 750 mono blocks. This new generation of speakers shocks me!
Again, both of these speakers are amazing, but the KLH, to me, are more amazing and captivating overall. You really need to take time and audition speakers in your own environment, decide what you like. I am keeping both pairs for different rooms.
Thanks for your detailed comments here! I bought the Arcam SA20 and KLH Model 3’s as my entry into two channel hifi but both are fantastic and I’ll keep them long term. I’m curious to see how the 3’s will do with better electronics (but no disrespect to the SA20, it’s amazing as well). Thanks again!
Dear Erin , I was anticipating for this coming review so much and I am thinking I am not alone …. I am so happy you have listened to your subscribers doing these emit 20 review. Thanks a lot ❤❤
Hope you enjoy it!
Thank you for the detailed review.
I like how you tried to explore the mid dip on the driver. Curious indeed.
I have found the drivers have very low distortion. The HF peak may shift down into place if you use a grill.
Glad it was helpful!
I like the videos where you do the deep dive and take out the components to investigate where the problems come from. Amazing! Thanks!
I don't like these cheap drivers in new Dynaudio lines. Last cheap Dynaudio speakers with great old drivers with cast baskets etc... are actives BM5 MKIII. They are greatly done. And they go low too. And I will be happy to see your review of BM5 one time.
I own these speakers and I love them. They are exactly the type of sound I'm looking for. They are made to be able to listen to for hours on end so if you are looking for ultra detail these are not your speaker. The Emit 20 are made with testing data from Dynaudio's Jupiter measurement rig. Dynaudio certainly knows exactly what the speaker is doing.
I own these and they are an absolute steal at the discounts this is a bonkers deal. I tested the emit 20 against the KEF LS meta and they blow the LS metas away much better timber all around fantastic performance.
Hi Erin, I believe the Elac Debut 2 B6.2 speaker has that same 700Hz peak followed by a 1-2KHz dip. It also uses a pressed steel frame. In all other respects the Debut is a very good inexpensive speaker. I wish someone could identify the cause of the peak & dip & come up with a simple (non DSP) solution?
It would be really awesome if you could review the Evoke 20s. I'm ready to spend more serious money on my next upgrade. I'm currently using the DBR62's and I like them but I'd like nice upgrade with a pinch more clarity and hoping Evoke 20s will fit the bill.
I would love to see a similar review of the Evoke 20! thanks already
I had a similar resonance @500Hz on my pair of wavecor wf152bd06. It turned out to be a spider resonance, you could clearly see it when the mic was placed behind the cone right in front of the spider. It also went away if I lightly pushed the spider with my fingers when measuring the driver.
Love your deep dives in to finding the culprint of some irregular behavior, Erin. Another stellar review. Thank you.
Best sub thousand pound speakers I have heard by some way. I usually pretty much agree with you but this time I don't hear any of the problematic things you refer to, the tweeter in particular to me is very refined and natural sounding for this price point.
Thanks for the review, keep up the good work.
Competence + honesty = subscribed!
hey Erin you should do a little tour of your setups and what gear and room you use for the subjective part of your reviews
I have a tour of my Home theater from my old house that you might find interesting.
already seen that ^^
So basically you use the same amps and whatnot ?
Great video! I've been curious about the Evoke series so I hope you get a chance to review something from that soon!
I have them now for a year and can confirm all your findings. Details are a little bit too much in the background. With only listen to music on the background it's fine for me but when i want to lose myself really into the music you never get the real excitement and the toe tapping. But the bass is sooo good!
Regarding low order filters, I don't consider the lobing effects to be an issue as the listeners height is usually well defined - normally around the tweeter level or a bit below. Sure, if you're walking around the room there will be peaks and dips but in that scenario you're probably not listening intently anyway. I personally think low order is the best topology for home listening, provided the drivers are designed with that in mind (good tweeter Xmax and well-behaved response).
Hi, no, I’m not aware. I typically don’t have time to watch anyone else’s reviews.
I think it’s time a company reaches out to you to help them design a speaker. Is this something you would consider? Do you think you would be good at it?
Good detective work on the mid-bass driver resonance.
When will you design a loudspeaker? Should be a good one with your knowledge….
Hey Erin. Do you think you can become the Dynaudio Emit 30 for a review? I like them really and listen often much music in different genres. Love them. I would like to have some of your detailed measurements. And i think you will like the sound quality. And they can be loud.
Greetings ✌🏻
Would you be able to subjectively compare the Emit 20 vs. Special 40 that you also liked? Do these do what you enjoyed from the Special 40 at a more sensible price?
The 700Hz issue looks like a surround/cone edge resonance. The resonance looks more pronounced and is lower in frequency than most 6.5 inch "soft" cone woofers, which typically have an edge resonance around 900Hz.
Yeah, I wondered if that might be the case but it seems a good bit lower than I would have expected it to occur. Most drivers this size have that issue around 1.2 kHz.
My thoughts as well ... note the Compression Dip, any chance that's some manner of excitation nulling?
I've no idea.
I'm curious if observing compression data from the drivers individually, vs typical loudspeaker as a whole would reveal some insight.
i got mine for $1000.00 CDN. I am running them out in my garage. I have an Arcam A-49 amp out there, 200 WPC, and it sounds amazing. The room makes all the difference. this is an insulated garage with a wood ceiling and floor carpet, my cigar lounge now. I tried them in the basement and they sounded dull and flat. Out in the garage they sing and are clear and articulate.
Where abt u paid $1000
@@robertng138 Canada. Dealer gave me a deal
Treble boost and bass boost because of too close to wall in shop. U-shaped or V-shaped! Now ask Dynaudio to send the Emit 10. They sounded more linear/flat to my ears.
I think the Elac Unifi UB5 and UB52 have about the same bass extension down to 40-45 Hz but none of the other issues to that degree.
I lived with Elac unifi UB5 for almost 3 years before upgrading to wharfdale Linton. Elac UB5 bass extension is impressive for a bs speakers. No brainer deal for less than 300$
You previously gave a glowing review to the Elac Debut Reference. Given those speakers are less expensive, why would someone buy the Emit 20 over them? (And in general I think this review is missing comparisons that would give the viewer some sense of where it fits in the market compared to other similarly priced speakers.)
Better bass would be my guess. I actually don't like either without a little EQ, but it doesn't mean they're bad speakers....
Really enjoy your videos Erin. You’ve mentioned tweaking the EQ a few times with a minidsp, is there any chance you could do a video on how you approach that? Just stuff like how you choose the Order and Q for a filter. Keep up the good work, great stuff.
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I have Emit 10. After eq they are awesome. Well... except limited dynamics which is just annoying for me.
But... as long as you get low distortion, good directivity - eq should do.the job and you can enjoy really good sound out of cheap speakers.
please, tell me. what do you mean with dynamics? thanks
@@jdm724 well... peceived difference between loudest sound on the track and most quiet one is low. This is what i mean by that. And crossing them at 80Hz does not help
thanks!! shitty for HT
Hey Erin! Thanks for the review. I'm curious, do you think upgrading the crossover parts could help improve the speaker? Like buy it for the woofers, upgrade it to take it up another level? Or would you suggest buying a more premium unit to avoid the limitations of the woofer in that case? Thanks if you find the time to respond!
Thank you Erin,, 👍🌟👍
Great job Erin !!!
You should try & get Dynaudio to send you a core 59......
I have had them in a home 2 channel system for 4 years & nothing I've ever heard touch them at the price point & much beyond. They deserve to be measured & reviewed by you.
I do use an Elysia xfilter in chain to carefully tune to taste.Thats my room & some of me for reason of why on the Elysia.
Joe
I don’t listen to music with all these data, numbers and graphs in mind but it’s good to know. Or maybe I don’t need to know? Because the more I know these numerical values, the more my mind is distracted away from the main reason why we listen to music. It’s all about the feelings and emotions we experience. If it gets you, it works.
Another great review. Thank you!!
Glad you liked it!
The the cross-over coils were parallel and adjacent to the point of almost touching. I have no clue if that is a problem or was engineered out or just a stupid observation. Love your technical reviews. Nice work.
This new Emit 20 is GREAT DISSAPOINTMENT to me. I could not believe Dynaudio use Chinese woofer made of stamped steel! And the marketing spin with the Cerotar tweeter which is crossed at 3800Hz?!
Excellent and insightful analysis of the resonance thanks Erin. Brilliant 👌
Glad it was helpful!
Always Like Watching your Reviews, very informative... Just like to make a suggestion. DO you think it is possible for you to add an Icon for the speakers That is Color Coded for the Degree + - they are placed At for preferred listening, AKA Off Axis, On Axis etc Best would be green, Ok would be Yellow, and well of Course Red would be Not an Option or, Why would you??? Cheers
Hi Erin. About that vertical lobing, could it just be that the acoustic centers of the drive units are not aligned well, so tweeter is much more front than the midwoofer? I would guess that if you tilt back the speaker, so that the acoustic centers align, measure it and set the reference point between the drive units, the lobes should align.
That plays apart, sure. But a steeper slope would definitely help. I’d say the slope is by far more the offender for this particular issue than time alignment.
@@ErinsAudioCorner, I was just looking at this quite weird, "tilted sweet spot" at the driver overlapping area. Feels just weird that this could be possible with time aligned drivers (pic below). The width of these lobes are for sure a result of a gentle slope.
drive.google.com/file/d/1lq8WdehvHbJGHSKXgjjDCWYHzjUqYJe_/view?usp=drive_link
Great review. Now the evoke 20s please!!!!
Thanks for all your hard work.
Wow! Thank you!
Anytime brother!
A bit disappointed in a speaker at that cost ($1700 here in Aust) that is using a stamped steel basket & a basic crossover with quality questionable parts.
A better designed crossover could have easily smoothed out the top end. While the 700hz resonance is in the design of that mid woofer.
Please suggest me this one #Emit 20 vs the #Polk r200 my amplifier is 20wpc #Class A.
I am listening to pop rock hiphop and 90/80s songs?
Thank you Erin
I used to lust after Dynaudio drive units.
If you used a high-speed camera, do you think you would be able to see out-of-phase motion between the cone and surround?
Possibly. That could be the case, but my gut doesn’t lean toward that as being the issue.
That resonance at 680(?) Hz, I thought at first that it might be cone edge resonance, but 680 Hz seems a bit low in frequency for a 6" woofer for it to be a cone edge resonance artifact.
Does the bass driver have a vented pole?
I agree. It just seems almost a half octave lower than where I would’ve expected it to be. But I don’t know for sure. Hopefully someone from Dyn can give us some more insight.
I see a lot of speakers with that 4k bump and I swear it makes some content physically painful. Don't get it.
A "4K bump"???? I think I had one of those on my forehead when I was a TEEN! :P
An other great review, thank you! The vertical directivity is so bad in this speaker! That’s why I like concentric drivers!
Those low-order crossovers make for a dull sound while standing or walking around a living room. I just put my old Infinitys back in the living room because of the 4th order 24db/octave crossover so my casual listening would be more enjoyable. Polk R200 went to the computer room where vertical on-axis listening is 99% of the time.
What about after burn in? I had the Emit M10’s before I just ordered these and remember they changed so much over time. At least to my laypersons ear.
There’s a fun subject! The thing with Bernon isn’t necessarily that the speakers actually change or improve. You’d also have to ask yourself why would a speaker suddenly stop changing. And then at what point is it that a speaker has changed too much. These are the things about burning that People should consider when they are asking themselves if it’s a legitimate concern or not.
Typically burning is really the process of acclimating yourself to a different sound. You’ll often notice people say that some speakers are detailed. When in fact, they just have accentuated trouble. Overtime the listeners grow accustomed to this and when they hear other speakers that don’t have boosted trouble it’s a noticeable difference. In research it is shown that listeners generally prefer a speaker that is Neutral, but that is a different topic altogether.
Another great review!
I appreciate that.
i bet these are very comparable to ascend acoustics' sierra 1 speakers....cept they are made of bamboo (which seems great / sustainable) so maybe less resonance issue. maybe i will send you mine to review one day if interested :)
Im kinda shocked with that very bumpy FR... expected it to be more linear even though voiced. Low frequency is a big part of our listening experience so I can understand why you like it. The Diamond 12.1's FR seem more neutral, besides that so called BBC Dip.
Could you please test Dynaudios Evoke series speakers!
Audio monitor bronze 100 at 20m2 vs daudio emit 20 which has more bass and is it soft, like the midrange withdrawn or like in ma b100
how you detached the woofer? there's no screws on the woofer
Hope Dynaudio fixes woofer resonance, seems like it would be much better.
Great review, thanks
I just saw that Nubert currently has an 11% discount. So, the costs are comparable to the Dali Oberon 3 series. Does anyone know if the Dali Oberon 3 series performs well compared to the Nuboxx B40 series?
Ive had them. Best speaker around 500 dollar
That vertical polar has to be one of the worst I've seen.
Would like to see review of dali oberon 1, 3 & 5, like your honest reviews..
If you would like to reach out to the manufacturer on my behalf, to see if they would be willing to loan me any to review that I would be happy to.
i want a bookshelf that can sound great for movies and music that looks modern but not expensive with good solid mid bass and warm highs
HECO Celan Revolution 3 ?
@@luxpiotr i def consider them but their not available any more
I bought a Schiit Loki 4-band eq to boost the midrange. The speaker sings now.
and THAT'S what eq's are for.
Compare these with the original Emit 20’s would be interesting…
Can confirm Jeezy - “Put On” is the perfect song for checking sub bass. 😎
😂😎
Maybe I’m mistaken, but did you have a review for the Avantone Pro Gauss 7 studio monitors or end up taking it down or something ?
@@medeuce nope. Not me. I’ve never even had those speakers in my possession or any other from that brand.
@@ErinsAudioCorner got ya. I hope they end up in your corner soon 🤞🏽
Also claim 40hz
Is it comparable to SP40 in any way?
Will you test Emit 10 also? 😊
Possibly but not anytime soon.
This channel deserves a lot more subscribers and views (a bit like mine) but who wants to hear accurate, valuable and rare information ;)
We don't watch graph while enjoying music , are we. ?
I haven't watched through yet but is this going to be yet another Dynaudio speaker with a sensitivity of, like, eleven dB? What's a person supposed to do with all those rave reviews out there of speakers that will cost three times as much money to drive, as they did to buy -- and why isn't anyone producing a seventeen-minute, rage-screaming rant about it?
Good stuff 👍🏾
Appreciate it
good
Great job from another long-time Dynaudio fan.
BTW, have you seen the GR Research tweetergate controversy happening on Danny's channel? Looks like he screwed up big time. Would be great to see your analysis of that Seas T25 driver used in the Jamo Concert series.
what happened?
Yeah, what happened?
again with soft slope dynaudio, crossover is to high at 3.8khz for a 7" woofer
Wow ! They are $1,049 now ! Huge price increase.
courtesy of the people who brought you covid
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Me, too.
Bass volume means NOTHING...it's the tightness and speed. Just got a pair of Triangle Borea BR02 for small room (10x12) listening. I dare anyone to compare the build quality, bindings, grille and chestnut finish of the BR02...all for $200. Also I'm streaming Flac/mp3 to vintage Pioneer SX-550 receiver via BT5.0 dac.
Still, quite inferior sound vs. the Emitts - unless one prefers cheap paper drivers to PP cones sound, that is.
I has drivers made of rice paper...
Triangle, like other French companies, famously uses "pure" paper for their cones, I simply don't find them satisfying on the bass department. Dynos also offer tight low extension bass, without that Triangle/any other front-ported speakers mid-bass bump that I don't care for. Also a much superior tweeter - and I have midrange speakers from them, not the SP 40. But yeah, they're overpriced, so I bought an used pair.@@tigerbalm666
Oh that's total BS..................LOL you don't need all that testing. End the end all that matters if it sounds good to you.
Yeah its like buying a 1000 dollar car and testing it for being the best car possible. Ofc its not, this is budget stuff
I've never seen speakers with a butt plugs
Alternative title: "Great speaker for Wiim streamer owners" (has PEQ built in)
Dynaudio Emit 20 are almost the worst loudspeakers I have ever had. Rumbling bass, subdued high tones, chaos on stage and very strange behavior when playing some instruments - it was as if each tone of the same instrument was coming from a different place scattered in space. The quality of the black version casing is below criticism. The overall impression is a cheap, Chinese junk product.
Yeah, if you can't properly control that Dynaudio famous bass you need to turn to other options because it will ruin the whole experience. A very good amp is also needed, all Dynos eat a lot of power, regardless of the price point. Anyway, distance to the back wall is crucial - at least 50 cm.
@@cezarjipa72 At that time I had a quite nice Arcam A29 amplifier. 165W per channel, damping factor 58. There should be no problems. The loudspeakers were moved away from the wall behind them by at least 65 cm (90 cm from the side walls). It played poorly, and the plugs completely turned off the low bass. Dynaudio is simply not a particularly good brand. If even cheap Opera, Dali, Focal, Wharfedale, Tonsil could play with the same amplifier, in the same room and it was fine, it means that it was not the fault of the amplifier or the room.
@@cezarjipa72 just don't buy Dynaudio speakers. Way overpriced for performance.
Unfortunately, I don't like metal drivers anymore, paper has no bass, and some other issues, fiber glass/Kevlar have a colored sound, so, what's the alternative to than PP ? @@r423sdex
You must have got a bad batch. Dynaudio states: ''The entire Emit family has been put through its paces in our world-class Jupiter measuring facility at Dynaudio Labs. We treat it exactly the same as we do every other speaker in our range: no stone left unturned.''
So obviously if you are seeing resonances at 600hz you must have got yourself a bad speaker. Contact Dynaudio and ask for a replacement
Yeah… you definitely have not seen my other reviews nor the comment that the Dynaudio rep left in response to the non-linearity.
Aside from the fact they don’t make their speakers to have a flat on-axis response, the same resonance shows up in some measurements performed by others.
@@ErinsAudioCorner But Dynaudio obviously measure their speakers in their Jupiter measuring facility and they didn't see it. So there's a discrepancy here which needs to be resolved.
@@ProfessorJohnSmith how do you know that they did not see it?
Here is a Czech review from January 2022 that shows the same resonance.
www.hifi-voice.com/testy-a-recenze/reprosoustavy-regalove/3615-dynaudio-emit-20#
Thats called marketing. You cant make a speaker that cheap and not expect some quirks.
@@scanspeak00 It's a question of trust. Who do we trust? Do we trust the DIY enthusiasts like Erin and others, or do we trust Dynaudio with their state of the art million dollar Jupiter measuring facility? Who's measurements are correct? They can't both be right.
Hey Erin, Please, PLEASE don't wear that tee shirt on your YT videos. Awful. Otherwise I learn much from you.
It actually says Taylor Swift on it. It’s a joke.