NEW 2025 BETA RR XPRO, Is It A Downgrade?
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My friends and I are delighted. For a real hard or extreme enduro, a lower seat is more than welcome. Anyone who wants a bigger motorbike still has the choice of the Racing version. Considering that 95% of the buyers of these bikes are not able to make full use of these bikes, I think this is a step in the right direction - adapting the bikes for the users.
Lower seat height is definitely nice for hard enduro!
I agree. Beta seems to be the only one making a bike for how people actually ride and not how people wish they could ride. Most people are weekend warriors and can’t do hard enduro. They just bomb around the trails. Also Not everyone is 6’2” and wants a 38” seat height. 38” is even too tall for some 6’2 non racer/pros never mind us that are under 6’.
@@seashackf1they ruin it buy giving you this mitas 140/80-18 my friends xtrainer is much higher than my te150i with a lowering link and zeta fork lowering kit.
I think the thing that everyone is missing here is the frame change. This is huge.
Obviously, they adopted the frame from the Race and RX bikes for easier production and manufacturing costs. This may have added weight? So they tried to combat that weight penalty with a lighter single-sided spring fork?
Fork is too soft? Depends on the rider, riding style, and rider weight right? You can bet a Lucky cartridge (and others) will be available and then buy the appropriate spring rate. Almost everyone has their stock SACHS stuff tuned anyway. So what's the difference?
20mm lower seat height? Yeah, seems like it's a beefy XTrainer now. But not the one people wanted, so it's bad!?! If you don't like being able to touch the ground better in the tech, buy a tall seat. At least they finally addressed the hard seat foam issue.
Maybe there there a different XTrainer in the works? One that the people are asking for?
No Ererzberg style edition? I'm pretty sure if you BYOB a 300RR Race with all the parts to make an Erzberg edition it would be cheaper than the KTM Erzberg.
I don't think it's possible to make one bike that will please everybody.
Guess we will see what happens when they launch the new 25 x trainer and RE!
Absolutely stocked with this new model. Currently race gold on a beta 300 re in aus and Finally feel as though a manufacturer listening to hard enduro riders who make up the majority of sales in our area.
So would you sell your 300 RE for the new X Pro?
To me it looks like this is a good move by Beta, getting closer to the type of explorative slow-speed offroading that I like. With the new lineup I may finally consider an RR. And to those who complain about the lower seat, well I may in fact want to lower it further by fitting and aftermarket rear shock link.
It’s actually a brilliant idea. Making a HE specific dirt bike is simply paying attention to the market. The RR will still come in the race edition trim which is the best option for their off road offering anyway. If you think the RE suspension is too stiff re-valve it like most of us have had to do to every dirt bike we’ve purchased. I think Beta is making smart moves and the X-Pro fits the largest growing niche in the market. And it looks cool. I have a 24 300RX and would consider buying the X-Pro for hard enduro where I wouldn’t have considered the RR before because it seems like too close of an overlap.
I believe this is a step in the right direction. I have a 2024 X-Trainer, for the seat high and size, but it is missing the power of my YZ405FX which the RR would have had. I am going to end up putting parts on this to move the engine to a RR, and stiffening up the forks for hair scrambles.
My overall hope is this is that step between a full Pro race model and the X-Trainer, and the bike I was really looking for.
I got the RR390 2023 and really love it, but I find the fork already very soft, it looks like the fork of the xtrainer... does the engine is more powerful? Does the geometry have changed??
It looks like what Beta is doing here is freeing up a significant portion of their assembly line for the RX (motocross/hare scramble) version for 2026. The RR XPRO seems to have moved the old RR closer to the RR Race Edition (a compromise between the two). It is now the competitive enduro version. Come 2026 we're going to see the 125 RX, 250 RX (2T and 4T), 350 RX added to the 300 RX and 450 RX line up. Any bets on if we'll see a 200 RX? I am guessing that anyone wanting to motocross (or hare scramble, desert, cross country) race a Beta will snap up the RX models.
I'm stocked but I'm probably the odd one out I was considering the x trainer but was a compromise this will be perfect for my old broken body
If you get one let me know how it goes! Curious to see what people think when they have one in their hands!
Whoa! A grab handle! Revolutionary.
😂😂
Don’t forget bold new graphics
@jamesking4225 I will say it looks pretty good compared to the geometrical vomit Beta has done in the past.
Scissors come included
Why?? I got the 2023 RR390 so pleased with it... but those forks mm no..and those silent blocs... how is the race edition.. like to go on MX tracks
If you’re not stoked about it it’s not made for you. The guys that can see what is going on are stoked. In 2 years everyone thats poo pooing the X-Pro are going to realize how smart this bike is. Nice move Beta!
Ngl i kinda want one now lol
As a shorty, I was already looking at the Beta, but 20mm lower really seals the deal for me. hopefully that did not come at the cost of reduced suspension travel. Not too stoked about a single spring fork but I've never ridden one either. I'm assuming the RS will have the same setup. It would be nice to see a power distribution module similar to the 24+ KTMs.
I ordered one, I’m looking forward to it.
Excited to see what you think!
So many negative uninformed Beta videos today..
New and improved, less money and people are bitching?
The X in the title has everyone misled.
What Beta needs is an RE without lights XC style.
Big pass for me with the new fork.My sachs rr forks i put in different system with compression adjusters on bottom because stock not so good.All single spring forks systems pretty much suck and this will be aftermarket companies dream just like WP crap forks.I will be buying the race next simple because it has kyb that a re valve can match my riding.My RR took 1300$ in aftermarket parts to be good.
It's funny to me how people are talking crap on the line up but nobody has ridden one yet!!! Just when Suzuki re-did the RM line up for 2001. Everyone talked crap saying it was slow but me and a buddy had the same bike except he had revalved suspension and mine was stock. Awful funny that 2 of the "slowest" bikes were getting holeshots and good results in 250 A(top 3) & 250/Vet B (top 10) in local and GNCC races. I'll wait til I get to ride one to see what I think. Could be a polished gold bar or a polished turd.... LOL
Guess we will find out when they’re in our hands!
They should have just stuck kyb on it the single spring is crap standard WP suspension is better electronic key is a good idea if you have full registration and you want to stop somewhere rather than those stupid keys in the side of the steering head
True!
According to Jared at 3Seas it’s been problematic. Beta even had them stop installing them on ‘24 Xtrainers. Biggest problem they have is If anything goes wrong with the system your bike wont run. They even use their own batteries, not the bikes. If their battery dies you are sol. Not something you want in the woods miles from home.
love the way people will react just looking at some datas... As usual, reviews will be made using bike full speed on destroyed trails and complaining suspension is bottoming... the usual phantasm or the pro race week end warrior rider...so they sill can buy race Edition but what is funny is the marketing, with the "pro" appellation. can't blame beta, customers are still immature
Why can’t they just make an x-trainer pro? Give the x-trainer the RR pipe, Airbox, cdi, etc, and then a great suspension? Why are they so convinced that anybody under 5’10” is poor and a slow rider?
Also, put the 390 in an x trainer chassis.
I’ve asked BETA, but no reply
it IS a downgrade... :-( who needs an overflow tank for the coolant ? another thing that can get hurt ??? and the new fork - instead of giving us, finally, a closed cartridge fork, they put one sided coil system... what's the "big deal" ??? few grams less? AND, how can it be 20mm lower seat height if we see at the tech data that it's the same wheel base\max height\max length\seat height 930mm\ground clearance\foot rest height... EVERYTHING IS THE SAME !!! how is it 20mm lower seat height ????????????
Suspension goes down more when sit on
Overflow tanks are nice when your bike is standing on the back wheel 90% of the time. Makes perfect sense for HE.
Single spring fork doesn't necessarily mean soft...anyone ever ride SHOWA suspension on a mx bike? Single spring, separate function forks....definitely not soft. ...But this fork will probably ship soft, since it looks like its tailored to the hard enduro crowd.
It’s safe to assume this bike will be setup soft as it seems most betas that arent the RE are
I’m definitely not stoked. Curious to see what happens with the Race Edition. We’ll be waiting a while for that.
Fingers crossed they dont mess up the new race editions or the new xtrainer!
@@AaronsEnduro Absolutely. I was planning on buying a new Beta this year and held off to see what the 2025s would be like. Now I’m thinking about sticking with the ‘24 RE and hopefully get a deal.
I think 24 RE is gonna be the best bang for buck you’ll get! Kinda want one myself 😅
@@AaronsEnduro Do it. 😈
I think the RE's will stay, but of course this early in the game it's hard to know for sure as they only have this new line on the website as of now.
I kind of thought and hoped it would be an up spec XTrainer. I can't say whether I'm stoked by this or not, just curious what else this means. Like, will Beta get rid of the XTrainer now? This kind of blurs the line between the old RR and the XTrainer. If these had been out a couple years ago, I might have bought one of these instead of the XTrainer I ended up with. I chose the XTrainer because by having a lower seat, it was easier to mount and dismount compared to the standard RR model. If Beta keeps the RS lineup as it currently exists, then someone wishing for the standard RR model could just buy the RS and ditch the mirrors and blinkers and have an RR with the Trailtech and cooling fan, stock. Where I ride, I only ever see XTrainers and Race Editions. Seems like no one around here was even buying the RR as it was. If $13,000 just fell out of the sky into my lap, I'd be looking to buy a 390RS Special Edition. I'm stoked about that bike but not in the market for one.
Definitely going to be interesting to see how the rest of the year plays out for the Xtrainer and RE!
Must be specific to your area. Jared from 3Seas said he was the 5th highest selling dealer in ‘23 and mostly sell RR’s.
Upgrade for hard Enduro 100%. If available ill put the suspension of this in the 23 xtrainer I have
If you’re swapping to 48mm forks, why these ones in particular?
I wonder if they addressed the turning radius issue? My 200RR has the turning radius of the Queen Mary.
Not sure what year model you have but in 2024 they notched the rads to accommodate tighter turning radius
My x trainer turns so damn sharp you could go over the bars
Mine is a 2023
? I don't know what there doing in that factory🙃
Hard for anyone to say positive or negative, nobody has riden it or even seen anything more that a couple junk photos
Time will give us the verdict!
@AaronsEnduro I think it's going to take away from the xtrainer sales more than anything. I was leaning twards an xtrainer then kinda interested in the rr. But now more thinking the xpro
@Evergreenprospectors yep me too!
One spring yay
Seems like mostly marketing and not much performance changes. RR x-Pro, and then race edition. Seems like they’re trying to fool the customers
Pretty much yeah
Downgrade, yes.
Stupid comment, how can the race frame be a downgrade? Plus the pros have been using a lower link to lower there bikes and thick mimics that, how is that a downgrade? The 125 is an entire new motor, how is that a downgrade? The 300 gets the race piston, how is that a downgrade? The rads have been redesigned to increase the turn radius and the plastics are closer in so they don't catch trees. The only downgrade here is your cognitive abilities.
Why?