TOP 10 MYSTIC Champions In MCOC Right NOW! June/July 2024 MCOC Ranking Series Video 9!

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  • @CP.Darkhawk
    @CP.Darkhawk Před měsícem +15

    I didn't know that full moon thing about werewolf. That actually explains why sometimes he feels like a nuke and sometimes he feels like a wolf

    • @Kravatan
      @Kravatan Před měsícem +4

      The only difference really is without full moon, u need to use sp1, with full moon u can skip that and just go straight for sp2. It does help tho

    • @dalegendarymonke8921
      @dalegendarymonke8921 Před měsícem +1

      @Kravatan wait how to know which week werewolf decides he cba for long rotations

    • @adriancruz8933
      @adriancruz8933 Před měsícem +1

      @@dalegendarymonke8921 look up in the sky at night 🌝

    • @dalegendarymonke8921
      @dalegendarymonke8921 Před měsícem

      @@adriancruz8933 what if it's day?

    • @adriancruz8933
      @adriancruz8933 Před měsícem

      @@dalegendarymonke8921 lol study the lunar phase, it’s about every 27 days. In the game full moon phase stays on for a couple of days

  • @Jordan-mregroodergrind
    @Jordan-mregroodergrind Před měsícem +6

    I love America Chavez the passive stun champs are my favorite

  • @adamholt4317
    @adamholt4317 Před měsícem +56

    The tier list where only Battlegrounds and 7 stars matter

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +14

      Go make your own tier list lmfao.
      You guys get so mad when no one else rates your iron fists.

    • @adamholt4317
      @adamholt4317 Před měsícem +15

      @@waynewayne8419I'm not the list guy.
      I'm the comment guy. He named the list wrong. I did my job.
      If I was mad it would've been way funnier.

    • @brianlockner2690
      @brianlockner2690 Před měsícem +9

      He's taking about the top meta of the game. And in the top meta in the game you need 7* and do BG .

    • @assumedname1312
      @assumedname1312 Před měsícem +6

      Wait until you find out that at the high level those are the most important things along with war

    • @adarrm
      @adarrm Před měsícem +4

      When all the quests are done, when multiple options can do the event quest... What else is there to rate them on?

  • @crickthefreak3383
    @crickthefreak3383 Před měsícem +8

    People who are complaining about him not ranking stuff according to story content and stuff like that,give me an answer.Once you finish it,are u actually going to touch it again?
    Its doable with any champion too,i literally used Wasp,Superior Iron Man,Kamala Khan and stuff like those to have fun and guess what,i can still get story content done.
    Story content only matters until u explore the chapter,after that u dont even touch it for half a year.
    Battlegrounds and Alliance War are the gamemodes that are always here and u always have to do it.
    That is why it is given more importance.
    I am not that skilled but i explored 8.3 on my alt from act 1 in 49 days in my alternate account,story content is that big of a joke,i didnt even spend that much,maybe 30 dollars.

  • @FinaciallyFree
    @FinaciallyFree Před měsícem +2

    I really want to start trying our Chavez finally got her as a six star and want to understand what the hype is all about although I feel it’s a little too late with high ranking 7 stars everywhere so idk I’m torn

  • @RumpRoast1
    @RumpRoast1 Před měsícem +16

    Dunno why peeps get so butthurt with these tier lists. 😂 KT always mentions that these tier list are based solely for relevant end game content. Hence no one cares about whether your “top” champ can clear EQ, AQ and act 8 surprisingly well. Any champ can do that.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +2

      Exactlyyyy, people are angry because we don’t wanna put their iron fists on the list😭

    • @dipamkumarnath9427
      @dipamkumarnath9427 Před měsícem +2

      Do it with 1* Groot. Dumb

  • @barbar1an_
    @barbar1an_ Před měsícem +15

    I understand your point of view but not even honoravle mention of wiccan? He might be trash defender but against buff heavy matchups like wiccan he is really good on attack

    • @OnlyUseMyCrossbow
      @OnlyUseMyCrossbow Před měsícem

      I thought he was trash until I pulled him as a 7*. I use him to limit annoying defenders abilities.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +1

      Yeah how many buff heavy matchups exists? Of course a champ will be a beast when they have the perfect conditions but otherwise they are mediocre

    • @OnlyUseMyCrossbow
      @OnlyUseMyCrossbow Před měsícem +6

      @@waynewayne8419 he's only asking for an honourable mention bro lmao. And a champ with Wiccan's abilities is never going to be mediocre.

    • @alienatinginsighta.i.3904
      @alienatinginsighta.i.3904 Před měsícem +1

      One of the best for these match ups imo

    • @barbar1an_
      @barbar1an_ Před měsícem

      @@OnlyUseMyCrossbow thank you. For once someone defends what makes sense 🥰

  • @satoruu3044
    @satoruu3044 Před měsícem +4

    Hey what do you wear on your thumbs, and where can you get them from? my fingers always get sweaty

    • @KT1MCOC
      @KT1MCOC  Před měsícem +3

      @@satoruu3044 thumb sleeve. Amazon

    • @satoruu3044
      @satoruu3044 Před měsícem

      @@KT1MCOC my 🤴

  • @tonimikael6278
    @tonimikael6278 Před měsícem +2

    Kushala at 9 what is that? :D aah old list but still

  • @hansenjacob545
    @hansenjacob545 Před měsícem +2

    Top 10 Mystic Champs
    1. Kushala
    2. Juggernaut
    3. America Chavez
    4. Sasquatch
    5. Werewolf by Night
    6. Tigra
    7. Abs Man
    8. Doom
    9. The Hood
    10. The Destroyer

    • @tonimikael6278
      @tonimikael6278 Před měsícem

      Good i have duped kushala r3 then and dupes juggs r2 but chawez unduped r1 was planning to r2 today tho. Werewolf is unduped r2 been while like him lot too thinked even r3 can make 3 r3 atm but gonna make one mystic only now more

  • @Elseworlds
    @Elseworlds Před měsícem +2

    I don't understand why in other classes, the top 6 stars are in the first 5 places, and Doom is failing that badly? He s in the same caliber as NF or Nimrod, Scorpion, etc

    • @imn8
      @imn8 Před měsícem +1

      He's still incredibly powerful when fight time is not a factor and he's not facing some of the recent meta defenders designed to counter him. Those factors have been in play for a while (think Hulkling era) and now the 7* factor is exacerbating it. But I have maxed my 6* Doom and will still enjoy him as long as possible.

    • @Elseworlds
      @Elseworlds Před měsícem

      @@imn8 Exactly. Not even mentioning that he s a beast on BGs.

  • @ronnieb5468
    @ronnieb5468 Před měsícem

    I'm sorry ,was wrong ... My bad should have done my research b4 I posted 😂

  • @Emanuel.Ionescu26
    @Emanuel.Ionescu26 Před měsícem

    Will rank 2 Chaves... I makes my mind about her I have her as a 7* rank 1 for so long... And she helped me out this bg meta...

  • @theflyingdutchguy9870
    @theflyingdutchguy9870 Před měsícem

    i think destroyer might be on there in a bit. when more people are gonna start getting him

  • @065harieshkumarn8
    @065harieshkumarn8 Před měsícem +2

    I understand 7 stars are in the game and as of now you can r3 them which has crazy high health and attack rating but that doesn't mean that you have to give less importance to a champion ability and utility
    Battlegrounds is not the only thing in mcoc there are aw,aq,quest,side quest, main content, marathon content, I request you to consider champion abilities first as those extra attack and health are not gonna help it's those champions who are and will be carrying your team,those champs matter

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +3

      Meh they don’t matter, when losing matters no one uses those champs

    • @brianlockner2690
      @brianlockner2690 Před měsícem +2

      I'm sorry but an r3 7* who's very good is going to be much better than a r5 6*. They are just that much bigger, stronger and faster.

    • @dipamkumarnath9427
      @dipamkumarnath9427 Před měsícem

      If Doom and Abs Man come as 7*.... I bet these mediocre Mystic champs will surely fall to dust. 🤣

  • @Supersaiyanprime24
    @Supersaiyanprime24 Před měsícem +1

    Who would have thought that Chavez would be the best in her class. She’s my next mystic r3 for sure.

  • @beardo862
    @beardo862 Před měsícem +2

    Showing Kushala love ❤️

    • @tonimikael6278
      @tonimikael6278 Před měsícem +1

      She should be higher than 9 tho she takes so many defenders and also fast. Got duped r3 atm love her :)

    • @beardo862
      @beardo862 Před měsícem +1

      @@tonimikael6278 agreed 👍🏼

  • @DRTREY-qf4iz
    @DRTREY-qf4iz Před měsícem

    Does Chavez & Kushala need the dupe? Thanks

  • @michaelsheedy3823
    @michaelsheedy3823 Před měsícem +1

    I’m surprised that Wiccan didn’t make it. I think Wiccan is a better version of Hood and available as a 7*. Wiccan can negate buffs (like hood), heals (like hood), and incinerates opponents (compared to Hoods burst damage). Both do very similar things but Wiccan can go to rank 3 and higher eventually. Agree with your list other than Hood 👍

  • @joshnacua8998
    @joshnacua8998 Před 23 dny

    I leav the game for like 6 months and omg game has been flipped

  • @theScienceLabLive
    @theScienceLabLive Před měsícem +1

    Man, I guess I've been sleeping on AC. Need to figure her play style out. I never use her. OK, that's about to change.

    • @crickthefreak3383
      @crickthefreak3383 Před měsícem +1

      she is top 5 in game rn,almost as fast as Juggs even in BGs,and got defensive value,a lot of hidden utilities in her kit.

  • @ronnieb5468
    @ronnieb5468 Před měsícem

    Rintrah is female my friend , u gotta be PC at all times in 2024 brosuph lol

  • @TheMrx1507
    @TheMrx1507 Před měsícem

    I knew AM would be number 1. She is r3 for me unduped.

  • @Dr.Reeper
    @Dr.Reeper Před měsícem +1

    White Tiger not on list ohhhh myy

    • @Kravatan
      @Kravatan Před měsícem

      Last season, where she was a tactic attacker she was. Not anymore

  • @birbmanjones9862
    @birbmanjones9862 Před měsícem +1

    Chavez the goat

  • @insertnamehere5020
    @insertnamehere5020 Před 27 dny

    Wiccan ?

  • @KomalSingh-ep1rp
    @KomalSingh-ep1rp Před měsícem +2

    7* rank 3 destroyer is awesome

    • @tonimikael6278
      @tonimikael6278 Před měsícem

      ​@@ABSXT19Yeap kushala great i love my duped r3 :) and take serpent also well as so many other defenders

  • @athanasius1013
    @athanasius1013 Před měsícem

    Abs man still top 5 at least

  • @LarryDiamond-te3yt
    @LarryDiamond-te3yt Před měsícem

    I’ve 2, rank 3 mystics, America and Kushala. Kushala is not awakened.
    Still worth it. Incredibly versatile. And the block unblockable so valuable.
    Soul barb. Regen (not sure if iron fist relic needed). Incinerate.
    No regrets taking her up. Sasquatch being so tanky, and tricky. Can have a great fight against him, but not always, will probably always have a place.
    I do disagree a bit about the fun part. But also agree. Part of fun about a champ is we use them effectively.
    But I find, for rank 3, it’s super impt. For the rarest rank ups, I’m definitely considering fun.
    That being said, I ranked your number 1 and 2. Thankfully both very fun. And I like the character back story as well.
    Like another comment, I do feel Wiccan is…in top 10 area. Only neutralize champ released as 7 star. The star block helps a lot.
    But he’s top 10 for me because of neutralize, super useful.

    • @tonimikael6278
      @tonimikael6278 Před měsícem

      I got kushala duped r3 but america chavez unduped r1 gonna r2 her today just wondering how much her dupe makes her better. Then have duped juggs and unduped chawez and werewolf and one go r3 atleast cause can make 3 more r3 atm

  • @jonf5679
    @jonf5679 Před měsícem

    How do you know when full moon is on?

  • @LarryDiamond-te3yt
    @LarryDiamond-te3yt Před měsícem +1

    Also, controversial. But arguably Kindred over Sasquatch. And I love Sasquatch.
    Why? Kindred is one of the handful of characters that if awakened can win you a match even if the opponent has the best kindred defender.
    He’s the number one mystic defender IMO.
    Sassy is hard. And the healthpool alone. And a more generally good offense.
    But Kindred easy top 10 for being best mystic defender.

    • @nickvin7447
      @nickvin7447 Před měsícem +2

      Kindred is one of the slowest attackers in the game, that's why.

    • @LarryDiamond-te3yt
      @LarryDiamond-te3yt Před měsícem

      @@nickvin7447 yes. But arguably a better defender than Sasquatch. And that alone is top 10 worthy IMO.

    • @nickvin7447
      @nickvin7447 Před měsícem +2

      @@LarryDiamond-te3yt If that were the case Bullseye would be top 10 worthy, but he isn't. Strict defenders do not deserve to be in the top of the rankings if they have little to no use elsewhere.

    • @Prismane_1269
      @Prismane_1269 Před měsícem +3

      @@LarryDiamond-te3ytmy kindred getting slayed within 60s in bgs, ppl actually know how to fight him nowadays 😴

    • @LarryDiamond-te3yt
      @LarryDiamond-te3yt Před měsícem

      @@Prismane_1269 are they taking more damage than most fights? Is yours awakened? If so what sig?
      Ascended 6 star sig 200 are tough for me. Kind of like Serpents.

  • @OnlyUseMyCrossbow
    @OnlyUseMyCrossbow Před měsícem +1

    Doom to me was always a champion you brought in for a certain use. He's not really fun to play apart from the doom slap, he's slow, doesn't do great damage outside of the doom cycle, and even with the cycle if you compare to others. Haven't used him properly in like a year, also haven't ascended him because there's no point in doing so.

  • @justinarmetta3367
    @justinarmetta3367 Před měsícem +2

    Seems like these lists are only geared towards battlegrounds now.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +4

      He literally says it, when losing matters these are the champs used. Don’t be angry no one wants to use your preferred champs

    • @DeepfriedBeans4492
      @DeepfriedBeans4492 Před měsícem +1

      And alliance war, because that’s where you actually need to use the best of the best

  • @MCOC_concepts
    @MCOC_concepts Před měsícem +1

    Personally think america don't deserve even a honourable mention and for me doom is best

    • @Ankitchahar7
      @Ankitchahar7 Před měsícem +1

      If you play bgs doom is trash otoh chavez is a absolute nuke very versatile a good defender so she is #1 mystic in this game I think doom doesn't deserve an honourable mention

    • @MCOC_concepts
      @MCOC_concepts Před měsícem

      @@Ankitchahar7 i am on act 6 and doom is extremely good here.

    • @Ankitchahar7
      @Ankitchahar7 Před měsícem +1

      @@MCOC_concepts if you are cav or tb doom is extremely good I am not denying that but when when you complete all the story quests he's trash you won't use him anywhere after act 7 i never used him

  • @nachog8777
    @nachog8777 Před měsícem +1

    Sasquatch above doom… yeah sure 😂

  • @nathgreen
    @nathgreen Před měsícem

    I have R2 Juggs, Sasquach and Werewolf, don't know wich one take to R3. Any advise guys?

  • @zCoozy
    @zCoozy Před měsícem +11

    Just gonna ignore the commenting and complaining from all the uncollected and thronebreaker players. People still stuck in 2020 mcoc 🤣

    • @adhamanwar4114
      @adhamanwar4114 Před měsícem +1

      Exactly, all complains regarding doom shows that they haven't been playing the game near serious for a while, he lost his value years ago now

    • @OnlyUseMyCrossbow
      @OnlyUseMyCrossbow Před měsícem

      ​@@adhamanwar4114yeah, I don't even use him anymore. Same with blade and kitty. And going further back, Star Lord, Magik, SW, the list of previous meta champs is quite long. Metas change!

    • @dipamkumarnath9427
      @dipamkumarnath9427 Před měsícem

      Not everyone plays BG....Some may only be AW oriented. Bunch of morons still following and trying out new things... It is like saying new cars are more durable than Vitnage cars. 🤣

    • @Ankitchahar7
      @Ankitchahar7 Před měsícem

      They really want a separate champ to do eq sq and story 😭

    • @dipamkumarnath9427
      @dipamkumarnath9427 Před měsícem

      @@adhamanwar4114 🤡

  • @ryanquinn7045
    @ryanquinn7045 Před měsícem +2

    Out of all the class list this is one I disagree with most. Doom is still great, tigra is way too high. Juggs is great but there are way too many easy ways to shut him down. Also cosmic class should have been ahead of mystic imo.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +2

      Lmfao, I can promise you no top player is putting cosmic over mystic.
      And tigra too high? Is this because you don’t know how to use her?

    • @dipamkumarnath9427
      @dipamkumarnath9427 Před měsícem

      Tigra is definitely rated high. As like Ghost.

    • @ryanquinn7045
      @ryanquinn7045 Před měsícem +2

      @@waynewayne8419 every other awesome champ that has been impacted by funky AI was drastically downgraded. Many other champs not available as 6* downgraded.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem

      @@ryanquinn7045 yeah true but tigra still holds immense value, not as much as she used to but she’s a monster still, last season she was the best attacker with Kate and this season she performs well.

  • @dabeast8991
    @dabeast8991 Před měsícem +1

    if this list was based off bgs doom wouldnt even be top 10 so lol.

  • @Oxydyzed
    @Oxydyzed Před měsícem

    Honestly I would still put Abs man much higher in that list.

  • @kevin199719971997
    @kevin199719971997 Před měsícem +1

    disagree with chavez over kushala, kushala has so much more utility

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +1

      While true, Chavez just does more matchups and isn’t as easily shutdown by nodes like Kushala is😊

    • @crickthefreak3383
      @crickthefreak3383 Před měsícem +2

      I disagree.
      Kushala has
      Unblockable counter
      Block damage regen
      Ability power rate reduction(45% max)
      Dual immunity
      these are her main utilities
      0 defensive value
      slightly slow,although acceptable considering the matchup pool she takes.
      now for Chavez
      Stun on demand
      Reduce opponent power rate by 100% with 2 heavies
      Regenerate a lot of health via blue dimension if u make mistake
      Practically nullify so many of the cosmic buffs
      Energy Resistance
      More defensive value
      More speed
      Counters most of what Kushala does too,Amazing Serpent counter,Amazing Maestro counter
      Does not interact with buffs or debuffs
      Chavez is a more simple champion,its easier to pick her up(dont think of it the wrong way lol),and she allows more mistakes in.Add that to the dodgy special and smart AI,and she becomes a very good defender too,u cant really push her to sp2,and if she has dimension active u will have to constantly make her use sp1,1 combo and bait style

    • @kevin199719971997
      @kevin199719971997 Před měsícem

      @@waynewayne8419 what nodes besides high energy diet? Besides chavez also gets kinda shutdown by stun immune. And tbh i think Kushala does a lot more matchups well, like domino and korg for example.

    • @kevin199719971997
      @kevin199719971997 Před měsícem

      @@crickthefreak3383 I just value the unblockable counter in combination with the block regen higher than any of chavez utility. Besides Kushala also has energy resistance, she increases her own AA making her a great option for domino and her powergain when you have a high switch relic is insane. She's definitely harder to master and kind of a dud on defense I'll give you that. Although the few times i had to throw her on def in BGs somehow people managed to die against her, but dont ask me how.

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před měsícem +1

      @@kevin199719971997 like in last season she gets affected by shrug off metas or metas where you can’t put debuffs on or can’t gain buffs.

  • @Nonyabizz1234
    @Nonyabizz1234 Před měsícem

    Glad to see y'all realizing doom has fallen off
    Have always considered him overrated since 2020
    Happy to see his downfall 😂

  • @notad___
    @notad___ Před měsícem +8

    White tiger not in the top 10 is wild

    • @arjishchowdhury1898
      @arjishchowdhury1898 Před měsícem +9

      U should have learnt in school that 10 is a finite number.

    • @nickvin7447
      @nickvin7447 Před měsícem +2

      She belongs no where near the top 10

    • @madhav6001
      @madhav6001 Před měsícem

      ​@@arjishchowdhury1898😂😂

    • @reggiecolby542
      @reggiecolby542 Před 15 dny

      White tiger I agree is better than atleast half of these,insane damage

  • @superman35th15
    @superman35th15 Před měsícem

    Wiccan is in my top 10

  • @DanielMurray-mi7zr
    @DanielMurray-mi7zr Před měsícem +6

    Honestly how is doom actually still on the list in 2024 he hasn’t been a good mystic in ages never mind a top anything champ

    • @Timsmith13911
      @Timsmith13911 Před měsícem +9

      He can still take most content tbf

    • @priyamved9577
      @priyamved9577 Před měsícem +8

      Wtf are you talking about hasn't been good in ages
      He's a little slow in bgs that's it baring that he's still an absolute beast

    • @arjishchowdhury1898
      @arjishchowdhury1898 Před měsícem +3

      R u uncollected bro?

    • @DanielMurray-mi7zr
      @DanielMurray-mi7zr Před měsícem +4

      @@priyamved9577 holds 0 value for aq, bgs or aw, he’s not just a little slow, he’s slow, doesn’t have useful immunities anymore, power control compromises kill speed even further, overly reliant on sp3 for relevant damage, overly reliant on ai manipulation and look let’s just accept that neutralise is more useful the “nullify” considering most cosmics release with an inherent immunity power control and/or nullify.
      No, tell me more about how you still haven’t completed act 6 so you have no appropriately acceptable opinion on the matter.. at this stage if a mystic champion is feeding maestro instead of countering any of his abilities that mystic champion has officially stepped 2-3 ranks down the list in replacement of mystics that weren’t that great but now are great because they will counter important defenders.

    • @DanielMurray-mi7zr
      @DanielMurray-mi7zr Před měsícem

      @@arjishchowdhury1898 I am valiant and sitting on 2 more r3 7*s till I get the right dupes, do you want to see my roster so you can then confirm for a fact that I have no real use for a doom on my account? Even though I have one ranked up that I can use to actually TEST my opinions..
      You know instead of just saying “trust me bro” when I don’t even have a ranked up doom to know the difference nor the ability to accurately argue my case without assuming I’m smarter than everybody else and therefore I need not be explain myself appropriately.
      I did explain myself clearly, and I’ve given the opportunity for one of you to challenge me in pms and prove that doom is better than I say he is however even if any of you had the balls, nobody alive has the skill to make it work against me because doom isn’t actually just way too slow! 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ThePoolo12
    @ThePoolo12 Před měsícem

    lmao wtf

  • @eddieamaya4575
    @eddieamaya4575 Před měsícem

    1. Abman 2. Doom 3. Jugs 4. Tigra 5. Rintrah 6. Sassy 7. America 8. Kushala 9. Werewolf 10. White tiger

  • @timothyrosa8290
    @timothyrosa8290 Před měsícem +13

    Doctor Doom at #10?
    Yeah bro, I'm not watching the rest of this video. That is a borderline demented opinion. You need to stop viewing everything from a Battlegrounds perspective, I can't take you seriously.

    • @PeterGrayson
      @PeterGrayson Před měsícem +10

      Doom is no longer present in any relevant game mode, truth hurts doesn't it?

    • @AyushGujjar0_0
      @AyushGujjar0_0 Před měsícem +4

      I also do love doom and have r6 but clearly i am not using him as much i used to be.​@@PeterGrayson

    • @DanielMurray-mi7zr
      @DanielMurray-mi7zr Před měsícem +4

      Doom isn’t even top 10 mystic, given that fact how could he be top anything else? Feels like you’d really need to be missing a few screws to say your favourite champion is the best regardless of what objective realities present themselves no matter how contradictory.
      “Wah wah”

    • @notareligiouscuck
      @notareligiouscuck Před měsícem +3

      Doom has fallen off, totally agree but let’s be fair. This guy views everything from a BG perspective. Even if he doesn’t, you are telling me people use 7* Sasquatch more in story or endgame content compared to Doom? Doom was even used in necropolis for a few fights. I agree he has fallen off due to not being a 7 star, but to say he is irrelevant in every game mode is a bit of a stretch. BGs for sure.

    • @fatherjustin9117
      @fatherjustin9117 Před měsícem +3

      where do u use doom outside of story content bro, he has basically 0 use on both bg's and aw even on aq, n the tier list is mostly based on that thats all, same reason as to why abs man dropped down some spots