Joe Stump's Organic Economy Picking
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The amazing Joe Stump was one of the first players we interviewed years ago when Cracking the Code was still just an idea and a hobby. We caught up with him again in the new studio for a super enjoyable conversation on everything from metal harmony to right hand mechanics. Like most of the "naturals" we interview, Joe discovered his famously fluid economy technique intuitively, by innately sensing what was already working for him through his own process of exploration. The complete new Joe Stump interview is coming up soon for Cracking the Code subscribers. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I have done sound for over 30 years at various clubs in NY and Joe was one the best guitar players I have ever heard and one of the nicest guy I have ever met. And to top it off he was the only guitar played that has ever tipped me for doing a good job on his sound that night. Totally under rated. Thanks Joe !
Great to hear. He does seem like a super nice dude.
I can see he's a sraight guy, and what you see is what you get. I like this guy and his technique and style.
🤫(and better at yngwie than yngwie.Better technique and musically better)
Awesome
Anyone underrating Stump is out to lunch.
Joe is one of the lesser known/underrated shredders of all time. I love his albums.
He's such a good dude too!
Guitareo This dude is an amazing teacher i got to do Berklee Online for a bit and he was my private lessons teacher. His picking and technique are by far the best I have gotten to witness. I have seen many shows nd guitarist on stage directly but just to see the Shred Lord in person and be able to talk directly to him nd how he understand it all with all the types of ways to integrate classical style chord structure nd changes into neoclassical shred metal is just incredible. He taught me so much throughout the lessons. I was sloppy and he got me to the chop shop. When I bought his book i got to study and break down with him the material and i never used to economy pick that fast before i met him. I was a jazz player throughout HS and after applying his method to my own contemporary light jazz rock-fusion way that i like to play i was waking up everyday being able to learn new things with the guitar that in all of my HS years and years prior i had been in a playing stump where i was so stuck. Professor Joe Stump got me out of my guitar depression and I am thankful I had him or else I may have started to dimminish in my playing and eventually lose my happiness in guitar.
Another thing that I like about Joe is his humor and humbleness. He isn't afraid to poke fun at himself.
he sounds identical to malmsteen .stump does a little more of his own thing
What's that clamp looking thing on the neck ?
He says “You know” as often as Al Di Meola at least. Seriously though, if I could pick like that I’d never leave the house. I’d just sit in front of my amp and listen to how awesome I was all day. Joe is definitely one of the best.
Killer picking technique. I can see he has put maaany hours and years of study with a metronome on that, to get to that level.
@@johnnymoraes23 took lessons from him for a semester, never saw him make a single mistake. his picking is literally machine like, you could not finding the slightest flaw if you put it under a microscope
@@jefferychen8129 he's been playing the guitar for 42 years, lol... my age, lol. And playing neoclassical for at least, almost as much, lol. So, if i got lessons with him, specially knowing that he has put the many hours and years on it, i would expect him to be playing like that.
@@jefferychen8129 Wow, what a memory. I'd love to have this memory dude!
They're both from the Tri-State area, you know.
Me and other Berklee students would hang out in front of Joe's office during his one-on-one lessons so we could watch the master at work. If the door was closed we would still stay and just listen. He would also give advice and tips to students that weren't assigned to him. Thanks Joe!
I remember when I went to Berklee for a semester back in 2017 I was hanging outside his office for a bit listening to him play and me being a bit of a fan I started hanging around the hallway and he somehow saw me and walked out of his office and asked if I had a lesson with him to the point where I said no I am just a big fan of your work and he actually invited me for 15 minutes to talk to him about his music and work! Very nice humble Guy!
Hes an douch. I went tp Berklee twice for the summer camps. We had 1 group session with him that summer which he showed up eating an apple 10 minutes late. He sits down apologetic and continues to eat his apple for like 2 minutes. The class was only 1 hour or so. He also big leagued my guitar instructor back in va beach.
@@josephpyatt3685 really man? I never thought he would be like that. I guess people have different perspectives
@@diegodavila5604 according to my instructor he was an ass. But that could have been his ego getting hurt by Stump so...
But yeah, the showing up late to class eating an apple is what really turned me off to him.
Seeing him pick on youtube does him no justice though. That shits crazy irl.
@@josephpyatt3685 alright it’s ok to have an opinion. Just so you know that when I was there for a semester it was normal for a lot of my teachers to show up to class 15 minutes late. At least 6 of my teachers there showed up to class 10 - 15 minutes late. He’s not the only one my man
Joe is such an underrated player. He is just so damn clean.
Returnality yngwie clone
He's an absolute animal techniquewise. Not crazy about his music on his own, but MAN can he play.
David Fuller yeah but without yngwie , he wouldnt be who he is. Beige Strat, single coil , harmonic minor scale he got more then inspiration from yngwie he just sounds like him but worse
...That's what I said. He's a technical monster, but his writing chops are, uh, not great. HolyHell isn't too bad tho
Clone? How can he be a clone of the person who have stolen look, approach etc from players like Uli Jon Roth, Michael Schneker and RB? YJM riped off those players and then by luck he went to USA were all those neo classical europain monsters were unknown (Uli and Schenker ) so he sold their work as his if you like. Listen Uli and compare his arpeggios and lines with YJM = copy paste basically .
Thank you Troy for this nice tribune for the great Joe Stump. He ‘s been so much criticized over the years for being a Yngwie clone despite being such a nice guy, a great teacher and hell of a player. So underrated. He truly deserve it.
Yngwie always said that he didn't start to pay attention to his technique until people has told him he was doing particular stuff that had names lol. He always said that he had an idea in his mind and that he'd do anything to play that idea he had... that's how i think he developed his picking style. It's not like he was consciously sitting down saying "ok, instead of going down up down up down up ill go down up down up down down".
I believe it!
Yeah actually thats how i 'came up' with it as well. I would practice alt. picking all the time, but when i played for real, i would pick like Joe's or Malmsteen (unknowingly). After a while i decided that if it sounded ok, than it was ok. It wasnt until a couple of years ago, that ive found out yingwie and joe picked that way as well, and on top of that, that it had a name! Up until that point i was like resigned to the fact i was playing it "wrong".
I’ve criticised him for his Yngwie tendencies - but screw that. He can play. He really is great.
Nothing wrong with having Yngwie as a heavy influence. He's a legend.
@@DeathBringer769 im a huge Yngwie's fan, but I don't think there's something wrong about being heavily influenced by Yngwie. I admire both Yngwie and Joe.
Back in the early 2000s a friend guitarist from another band from mind dragged me to a Michael Angelo batio clinic that he was doing in our area mab was selling guitars and showing his click on x wing fighter guitar and demonstration way back then, and the technique of so called economy picking and tapping and working on ambidextrous thinking, so it basically was a workshop, but the music shop was full. My friend got one of those guitars he played and worked for awhile on that style even though he was already a phenomenal player, and made me learn some of the shredding stuff, but I never cared for it, because it took away from my improv skills that I focused on, but now old I'm going back to relearning them, and trying to be a more rounded player, I'm just a nobody still, but at least I can teach this stuff to a new generation
This way of thinking is very liberating and is great to hear Joe talk about. So many obsess over the “rules” and his cops at the door comment was great. Great video, guys.
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Hey Joe, I STILL have those hand written tabs, signed picture, and guitar pick you sent me so many years ago. The COOLEST THING a guitar player/Musician has EVER done for me.
Thanks for taking some time to send a fan some guitar lessons for merely having asked you some tips. Still a class act, Joe is very underrated and humble. For anyone who thinks he ripped off Yngwie, not true. For guitar players with tuned ears, and musical insight, you can clearly hear that Joe has his own phrasing, and effortlessly combines speed and clarity. No one quite picks as Well as Joe Stump. His picking technique is the best. Right up there with Yngwie's, and Eric Johnson's.
Yep, Joe also sent me some lessons great guy.
I have an mp3 (from crappy cassette) of Joe giving me a lesson at our hotel room in 1989-90 when he was in Trash Broadway and I was a "roadie" driving from Maine to Boston to support the band. He is a great guy and humble. Although he is compared to Yngwie, I think he has his own style and tone, given that his musical influences (before Yngwie) were Richie Blackmore, Gary Moore, Michael Schenker, Uli Jon Roth and of course Yngwie when he hit the scene... Nice to hear a shout out to Chris Impellitteri (one of my favs).. Going to see Joe in a little bar in Maine in 2 days before he does two shows in Canada (Toronto) \m/
I had never heard of Joe Stump before. Took a minute to look up his work. Now I'm a fan!
Joe is a true master of his art. Every solo album has been a gem, well thought out and amazingly executed. And now he's making heavy metal history with Alcatrazz and Joe Stump's Tower of Babel. Keep Rockin Joe! Can't wait for the new albums to be released.
Glad to see Joe here, his picking technique definitely deserves recognition. Also, I find his musical sense to be quite unique, despite the similarities with Yngwie. Joe is one of my favorite high gain players without a doubt, his music and picking style has been influencing my playing a lot.
I’ve met Joe a few times over the years when he played shows a local bars close to me, and once with Holy He’ll. Very cool guy.
But the coolest thing was when I went to see Yngwie last year at a show local to me in Hartford CT on his World On Fire Tour...about half way through, I look back and who is sitting at the seat directly behind me; Joe Stump. It was was awesome. We chatted a bit after the gig. 🎸🤘🏻
If only this technology was around when Shawn Lane was still with us, blowing every other guitarist out of the water ❤️
I feel you man
Shawn lane was a Goddamn legend
Shawn was the best and I am someone who doesn't think any one guitarist is better than the other but Shawn was the best. He was doing all that over the top shredding before EVH or Yngwie were heard of. 1978 when he was 17 touring with Black Oak Arkansas. That demo floated around Los Angeles in the mid 80's and it included some other tracks from some other recordings he had done including a piano piece where he shredded on classical piano same as he does on guitar.
@@shovelheadseven that’s the thing Fred, Shawn was never over the top. As a guitar player myself I know, a lot of people wouldn’t get it but what he created and what he left us was pure magic. Safe to say we won’t see that again in our lifetime ❤️
@@LuckySinghMusic I agree
I just saw Joe last night with his band Stormbringer - Deep Purple Tribute. His playing is as good as it gets and his live performance and showmanship are among the best I've seen!
Yngwie, Chris, MAB as influences ; the holy trinity of 80s speed!
Unlike MAB, Joe actually has some musical talent
Amen
vinnie moore is missing from ur list... fuq ur list
Yup Vinnie is the master. BUT unlike the mainstream musicians Vinnie is not a Hollywood ACTOR.
I was just referring to the players Joe quotes as influences. I do love some VM.
I like how he described the double down picking part. Someone I've always loved to use to keep myself in time with music and also to keep myself reminded of what I'm playing because that tiny little break always click in my mind for a change.
Greig Williamson awesome
JOE is such a humble guy and an great underrated player. Good to see him here.
This is just ridiculously clean! You can tell he really knows what he's talking about as well which must make for a good conversation.
I wish there were more videos on jason becker's technique, he's insane.
Unfortunately even Jason can’t remember the technical details as he has been able to play for decades now.
2204JCM there are videos to learn from tho
superclaw900 there is a guy who has his video on Jason’s technique, nothing spectacular but he talked to Jason , and Jason explained to him what he did, I bought the video, it is not so old, and it is not true that Jason forgot as you can read in the other comment here.
superclaw900 the video is called in the style of Jason Becker
jeez dude what more do you need to know about becker he does alternate picked scales and sweep arpeggios
Great video, thanks for posting. Joe is flawless on the economy picking, it's always great to listen to him.
I had stump as my celebrity teacher back in 1997 summer guitar sessions at berklee school of music, wicked nice guy, he let us try his guitar, that scalloped neck shit was weird, I could never get used to it, awesome guy, never acted like an ass hat and answered every question.
This is SO cool. I have all of these habits and tendencies and I spent ages trying to “correct” them. It’s strange and inspiring to see someone doing and thinking almost identical to how I naturally learnt and play.
Great teacher, Joe is my guitar instructor at Berklee, always inspiring to hear
Yes indeed!
Mamalo
Awesome video! Great to see and learn from one of the true GREATS, his super clean runs and sustained velocity are unmatched! And he can still rock out with the best of them. MY personal favorite all time guitarist!
In the 80s I went down the Yngwie path for about a year because of the band I was in. and while I was proficient at some of the tunes it really wasn’t my style. But I did retain the picking precision which came in so handy. Independently of your preferred style there are always transferable skills.
Great interview Troy! Thank you so much for doing this! Joe is a fantastic player and teacher. Such a wealth of info. Hopefully there Is more to come.
Joe Stump the the #1 most underrated shred guitarist in the world maybe ever. Guy is an absolute beast.
Great work on this Troy! Joe Stump is one of my early shred heroes when I was learning lead techniques
When it'll be available ? I can't wait for it !! Thank you Troy for your amazing work. I'm glad to be a Cracking The Code suscriber.
"Double-down" Ruggins also used two downstrokes in a row. or was that two downed SMOKES in a row? I forget. cool to see someone do two downstrokes so quickly and cleanly like that.
Man he said it, It ain't no picnic. Mad respect Joe. this takes lots of dedication
I'm very motivated to improve
this guy is an amazing player "yanadamean"
Hahaha. If you know what I mean.
Love how they have a phone/camera mounted on guitar to see picking technique up close. That's awesome. Pretty clever design that holds phone to record
Joe Stump kicks ass! Always dug his stuff, and he seems like a total bro to have a beer with! Cracking the Code is always awesome.
Your dedication to picking technique is so it and helpful. Thank you
Joe vacations in New Orleans, and one year ended up sticking around in the bar where I was playing on Bourbon St. all evening (the now closed Old Opera House). He came and talked shop with me afterwards, and was very complimentary of my tone and playing. Cool guy, and amazing player, obviously.
Dude...thank you for this. Joe is one of the first shredders that really blew my mind and showed me that there was this CRAZY other world of guitar playing...about which I knew nothing.
I stepped into the Berklee summer sessions in 98 for the first time as a 14 year old kid who’d grown up on a steady diet of Metallica, Queen and every grunge band ever. Kirk was my benchmark and neoclassical shred was so far off my radar, it didn’t even register. The first seminar I saw with him, he launched into rapid fire rondo and thrill of the chase and that was that. Sweep picking, emphasis on fluidity, that neck pickup sound, knowledge of harmony...all concepts I learned in the summer of 98 in Boston that really influenced how the next 20 years of my life as musician would shape up.
Four years later, I auditioned in front of Joe with dance of eternity (yeah...I know...shoot me). Got all 4’s and 5’s and they stuck me in an bop ensemble with a group of seniors who humiliated me so badly, I was embarrassed to walk to hallways. Those were the days, man...
I wish Shawn Lane were still here, so his picking could be dissected!
Considering the genius Troy is, maybe he can pull it off anyway...
Shawn discussed his picking on one if his instructional videos. You can find this...listen to his discription, watch him, apply Troy's logic. I do know that he's a trailing edge picker using a nervous flinch, concentrating all his energy to the tip of the pick. To paraphrase.
@@jfo3000 The Trailing Edge is the back of the pick right?
I actually use the side of the pick.
@@MrPyroguru it refers to the reverse angle, not the part of the pick
Shawn Lane was one of the best guitar players to put his foot on this planet. His picking technique was killer too.
He taught at Berkelee, my friend studied under him… unreal guitarist
Joe was my teacher at berklee for 2 years. Coolest guy in the world and my hero on many levels. I was the student that called him out on the "twitch" runs haha
No kidding - you're internet-famous now!
Me Playing Joe's "Brothers of Shred" czcams.com/video/vSEAHV72ahM/video.html He taught me "Brothers of Shred", "Battle Tested" and "All Out Warfare" most insane shred compositions ever. Thanks Troy!
Had Joe as my guitar instructor at Berklee. Was a very cool and funny guy. Very informative in not just in shred, but all styles of guitar.
Not only a great player, Joe is an excellent teacher! His books break down a lot of concepts & theory that mystified me for a long time.
Killer player. Amazing, exceptional economy picking technique. One of the best that i have ever seen.
Great to see Joe on here. I haven't seen him since Berklee. Great player and awesome teacher! The man has forgot more technique than most will know 🙌🏻
Amazing, I used to play that way too, few years ago. But I realized that starting Up/Down requests less effort coming from the wrist, when your pick is moving in between strings.
I met Joe once at a New York amp show and for the 2 minutes I talked to him it was all about Yankees VS Red Sox. Such a cool guy.
That sounds like Joe!
what a great guitarist... never heard of him.. thanks for introducing him through this video. I am dizzy though. so much speed!!! 😄
finally Joe Stump
what a great vid look forward to more joe stump. What a great player
I studied with Joe at Cambridge Music, back in his Trash Broadway days ('89-90?)
Then at his apartment in Allston, MA.
Back then he had a BC Rich Gunslinger & a yellow ESP MII.
He was incredible even then, doing a lot of insane Gary Moore stuff.
Super nice dude.
I remember the Yellow ESP !! ( I did some gigging with him as a roadie... i dont think i touched his guitars though ;) )
Excellent interview!! I could watch this stuff all day long with guitar in hand! Great Job Troy and thank you!!! I have a ton of picking issues and unfortunately im just now figuring out these tools at (49) so not sure how far I can get with such a late start but im appreciative of your videos!
Thanks Brian! It’s never too late - the old dog new tricks thing is overblown. Not having the knowledge was always the largest obstacle, we just didn’t know it.
Hey thank you for replying I honestly didn't think I would hear from you (not meaning that in a bad way) I just know that you are probably pretty busy. So Thanks! Much appreciated!
I've always loved Joe's kind of Raw shredding sound! Rock on Joe brother!
These are the most amazing video's and just resonate so much! I plateaued and was left behind in the 80's. I just figured that some people had it and others did not, so I became a songwriter instead. I am glad for that but now I want revisit high level guitar.
It's never too late! We just didn't have the resources back then.
Never heard of this dude but damn son ,his playing is clean af , this kind of skill level is insane
Joe's accent is AWESOME! I could listen to him talk all day
Joe is a really great player and seems like a great guy/ There's a few of his lessons on youtube.
This is a technique I've used for decades. Thanks for the interview, Troy.
I've got Joe's sweep picking and arpeggios book and it's an absolute treasure trove of material, well worth a look if you find it anywhere
Great info! Love how fluid Joe is with his technique. Like to see you profile Andy Timmons sometime!
What a great dude, funny, kind and so skillful, keep rockin' Joe!
Love Joe.... more Joe please.
So cool to see this close up...
yngwie's picking technique is sublime. no question.
Love it and Joe is beyond awesome. When I first started guitar I naturally played using economy picking, until I read somewhere that you're supposed to use alternate picking. I had to train it out of me, and I haven't used it since!
I’m unlearning a lot of stuff I saw as “discipline” back as a kid, not realizing guys like Yngwie often have no idea what they’re talking about when they’re breaking stuff down. Watching guys like Troy who break it down to a microscopic level has been so enlightening. There’s so much legato and economy picking with some of those shredders that swore up and down that it was all alternate picking
Joe is awesome. His technique and his albums are a bible for shredders 🤘🤘🤘
I always learn something cool when I watch a Grady video.
Man...Joe does that so well. His thumb seems to move so smoothly and naturally.
I've been playing for 25 years but never took a lesson... only recently i notice that when i have to pick extremely fast i naturally use economy picking either upstroke or downstroke...being a big fan of Petrucci and Gilbert, I got a bit paranoid as i thought this was a mistake too late to correct so it's cool hearing that many famous guitarist do it too...
finally. Very solid player gets some notice. I have some of his instructional vids and they are great
Very substantive interview. High quality.
Hail the Shredlord! I practice Joe's videos or lesson books daily. So helpful. Can't wait to see this finished interview. Thank you Troy!
John Paul Blanchette are there any books by him?
I have his Metal Chop Shop and Sweep Picking and Arpeggio books. Both are excellent.
I put a Hands Without Shadows neck position pickup on my strat. Have not used the bridge pickup for ages!
I love it how Joe says "a lick that everybody plays"!
Come on,their is only realistically 2% of the guitar playing community that has anywhere near this ability!!!!!!!!!
Joe Stump definitely deserves more publicity for his monster playing!!!!
Absolutely love Joe. I took a semester of lessons with him through Berklee online. He's a nice guy and derservs all the attention of rock fans. I do wish this video would have discussed some descending lines, which usually requires alternate picking. I don't think the guys who do economy picking commit to upstrokes when descending.
its my first time seeing this man plays but woah that is speed of light.
I love your vids, Troy, specially those slow motion parts
I love these videos...always showing me what I'll never be able to do.
I rook lessons from Michael Angelo and was his guitar tech when I was 15. I also took lessons from Chris Impelliterri. Neither of them used economy picking for runs. Everyone used alternate picking and swept arpeggios. Joe Holmes alternate picked arpeggios. Frank Gambale was big on the economy picking for runs.
I took a couple Stump's labs at Berklee; he is an absolute monster player and an incredibly nice guy, treats all students very well.
I got into the habit of using a Clayton, I believe, .50 pick, and filing the tip down to a nice, sharp point with a finger nail file. Really helped me out with "economy picking" and speed picking. Even as a kid, I never felt comfortable playing with a light or medium-sized pick. 🤣
Had Joe for my Private Lesson instructor for 2 semesters..very cool dude!
"When you're trying to rock that seventh note in time, it's no picnic." Well, that settles the seventh note issue for me.
Ha. Joe is the best.
Yeah, that critical 7th-note issue.... haha
One of my wishes is to see this person playing live, I hope that you'll come to Europe again. It's strange that people talk about Europe when it comes to neo classical guitar due to historical background, but IMHO by far the best neo shredder lives in the US and it's Mister Joe Stump.
For 20 years I was playing economy picking ascending and alternate descending on scales. I started working on full economy picking up or down as I was never really happy with my alternate and after 4 months feeling like an amateur it started paying off now, and actually works. I am still stiff a bit, but its getting better. Actually mid-speed is more difficult comparing to full blazing :)
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!! I was waiting for Joe to do your show for so long!
Great stuff as always. Hey Troy have you ever considered shooting the fretboard camera at 120 fps? That way you'll get amazing clear slow motions when you slow the licks down. Cheers.
Yngwie, Chris, and MAB are the main people I listen to and try to learn from also! Joe is awesome!
Good Lord. This guy is other-worldly. Great interview, Troy.
Could you please do a video about Jason Becker’s AIMM clinic and what technique he uses? I know you like Yngwie more than Jason but I would really appreciate it.
I would love a response if you might or if not. Take care Troy, I love your videos.
I was managing a coffee shop near Pittsburgh a dozen years back and didn't know who Joe was. He came in and talked to me for ten minutes, just a good dude. I was thinking it a bit bold to say he was known as the American Yngwie, but checked him out after my shift and, yeah, he lived up to the hype.
focusing on this at the moment. my Alternate/Economy picking has staled.
Love this video
Joe is really a nice guy.
Cheers fron Chile Troy.
Was my teacher at Berklee. Best time of my life.
Joe Stump is still such a awesome guitar player, ROCK ON JOE!!!
Joe Stump The SHREDLORD!!
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GREAT VIDEO!!!