Beat Placement Shedding: A Rhythmic Guided Practice Session
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I'm so impressed with drummers who can consistently push parts of their kit while pulling others, doing it at will and in complete control.
Great skill to have under your belt.
Thanks as always for watching! -Bob
thank you! This is the first really clear explanation of this that I've heard/seen, as well as the difference in the feel between "in front of" versus "right on" the beat.
Thanks for watching and for the comment! Yeah, I hadn't seen much on this topic and wanted to get it going. -Bob
As a drummer, this is great content to see. Very simply broke down.
Get your rhythm where you want it!
Thanks for watching Thomp!
This is a superb lesson on feel (beat placement), thanks. I call the "in-between eights" as "grudgingly eighths" as in a slightly hesitant "+" (swing) feel.
Thanks for that! I love the "grudgingly 8ths" : )
That “flam” concept is very helpful, Bob. Thanks.
Thanks Dave! Always appreciate you watching and commenting : )
@@bobdeboo8549 you are an excellent teacher Bob
Woot Bobs making look easy 👍
Thanks Bob! i havee been playing a long time and needed this timing focus 30yrs ago! never to late - nails it down - a great help!
Thanks for watching Tony and I'm glad you dug it! Happy Practicing! -Bob
Great instruction with new (for me) practice tips.
One thing I was taught and have used is to play a little behind the beat on the kick, especially on the one but potentially on other beats too. Bass typically has a longer decay than a kick, so the tiny delay gets the bass out of the way and emphasizes the kick drum attack. It also makes the bass sound bigger than it is on those beats.
I like the idea of playing ahead of the ride, to drive the song forward without changing tempo. Not sure how playing ahead of the ride elsewhere could work in conjunction with playing behind the kick on the one, so that would be an interesting experiment.
All of this depends on clear understanding and agreement between bass and drums, and both having the discipline to keep the tempo steady, not being tricked into speeding up or slowing down. I also think playing ahead or behind is best when it's very subtle; best when creating that flam feel.
Another good one Bob.
thanks for watching Jim!
Great lesson. Watched a couple of Bob's lessons and enjoyed and most importantly learned A LOT. So thank you. The topic was always a bit "vague" for me. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. This lesson helps to consciously hear it, feel it and work on it.
Hey, thanks Tim! Really appreciate you watching and commenting. Happy Practicing! -Bob
You guys are awesome - thanks for all the inspiring and educational ideas!
Thank you! -Bob
So clearly presented. Very helpful. Thanks Bob!
Hi Harriet! Thanks for watching and glad you found it helpful. -Bob
Great stuff, as usual!
Thanks as always Bruno! 😊
Thx Bob, a nice exercice on the insight of the groove. Been practicing on the drum, each limb separately.
Thanks for watching Florent! Definitely a great thing to do on the kit as well!
Great ideas and explanation 👏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🎻🎬
Thanks Owen!!!
love this, thank you very much!
thanks for watching Raven!
I love the "push" and the "on", but I'm not a fan of the "behind" feel when playing straight-ahead jazz. Ron Carter has a very nice "push" or "drive".
absolutely. I do say in the video that we're not trying to play behind the beat when swinging....instead this is meant to feel the '1' better - and to utilize the dragging feel in other music styles like hip-hop (don't drag when swingin!) 😊
@@bobdeboo8549 Yes you do make that clear.
To my ears Ron Carter and Ray Brown drive slightly ahead of the great
drummers that allow them push.
@@abath07 absolutely! PC did as well, but not quite as much. Bring on the fire! : )
Always with the awesome content, Mr. DeBoo. Hope we got some non bassists watching your content, because it's gold. Whatever happened to your bass podcast with Reuben Rogers? Heard that Peter and Adam are going forward with a course on rhythm. I hope they involve you and your perspectives because you are one of the few non drummers to talk about these concepts--including beat placement and macro time!
Thanks Pickinstone! Thought I might hear from you on this video 😊 The podcast with Reuben - "Upright Citizens" - is going strong! We release new episodes every Tuesday and you can find them at any podcast place (apple, spotify, transistor, etc). I do curate a weekly guided practice session over at Open Studio Pro where we talk and shed all things rhythm. Hope they bring me in too! Take care. -Bob
Hey Thanks, great stuff, well-organized and excellent presentation, makes we wanna practice! jeez.
Thanks for watching Carl, and Happy Practicing!
Very very interesting! Many tks
Thanks for watching Marco!
Cool
love this lesson, also i like to hear how it sounds with a drummer... any sugestions, maybe a jazztrio that uses this item frecuently?
For sure. Listen again to the Oscar Peterson trio's 'Night Train' album. Definitely a prime example of Ray playing "on top". These exercises are great to do with drum loops of course too! Happy Practicing - Bob
@@bobdeboo8549 thanks, definetly i`ll listen to this :)
Terrific lesson Bob! Interesting to see the “center, ahead,behind” concept that is usually mentioned in a “ you’ll hear it “ (TM 🤓)way being viewed in relation to the grid . But having done that, going back to feeling it so the groove is there rather than a mechanistic approach. Finally, which metronome are you using? I hate the sound of practicality all metronome sounds. Many times the beats are also too “wide” because they are pitched computer tones. I love the finger snaps that you used. Great tone on your bass too Bob… love it, you available for some gigs in Auckland New Zealand? 😁
I am using a tr8 as metronome. Great sound and versatility.
@@flober1970 Thanks for your recommendation will check it out.
@@5geezers when I got mine, they were having only 16 pattern memories, new ones have more, be aware.
Thanks MJP!! Lovely comment, and yes - the idea is to get away from that mechanical concept, but practice sitting in the "cracks" of the groove. I'm using the "snaps" sound on the Time Guru app (which I love btw). I'd be thrilled to come play in NZ!!! I've always wanted to visit 😊 I'll start packing!! Best, Bob
This is just what I need very well explained feel that flam!
thanks
Do you have a video on the difference between double time and double time feel?
Sweet! Glad you dug it Robbie. I don't have a video on double time -vs- double time feel, but that's a good idea!
@@bobdeboo8549 hopefully in the near future?
@@RobbieM72 hi! I have the next few videos planned out, and then hopefully on to this concept. Thanks for watching and stay tuned! -Bob
@@bobdeboo8549 looking forward to it thanks
Hi Bob,
Great pdf! First time I watched I was a bit puzzled as you were explaining how practice ahead I was not making sense of the pdf as the behind/dragging examples are first opposite to the video presentation?
Does anyone know if there is a You'll Hear It - Podcast on this topic, it interests me a lot!
Hi Jonathon. I don't know, but I can ask the guys and find out. -Bob