8Dio Deep Quintet Strings - Official Walkthrough
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- Deep Quintet Strings is the world's first string library with 9-way Round Robin legato, capturing the realism and beauty of these concert instruments at an unprecedented level. Repetition is such a key component of musical phrasing, but playing repeated notes here doesn't mean you'll be hearing the same sample over and over again. Each Quintet note is fresh and organic, with no trace of the robotic "machine gun effect."
Featuring two Violins, one Viola and two Cellos, Deep Quintet Strings allows you to solo, mute or pan between each of the instruments whenever and however you like. You can even move between close and distant mic positions, which gives you complete flexibility to shape this String Quintet and its studio environment.
We stand for only the best in musicianship, and Quintet Strings has all the intricacy and expertise you would expect from us, putting fully dynamic and moving performances at your command. Recorded in a controlled studio environment, Deep Quintet Strings was produced with incredible attention to detail and without compromise.
From nimble notes and nervous vibratos, to long sweetly evolving arcs, we've provided natural and nuanced articulations to convey a wide emotional spectrum. Over the years, we've developed techniques to capture the passion of a full performance in every note, and you can feel it here under your fingertips. Get lost in the intensity of Deep Quintet Strings today.
Available now for $150
8dio.com/products/quintet-str...
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0:00 - Intro
1:52 - Legato in Kontakt
3:20 - UI & Quintet Overview
4:56 - Arc Glance Poco Vibrato
6:20 - Arc Demos (Full Quintet)
6:48 - Arc Short Senza Vibrato
9:30 - Arc Short Multo Vibrato
10:14 - Mic Control
13:38 - Arc Trailing Vibrato
15:00 - Arcs & Legato Demo
16:58 - 9-Way Round Robin Legato
18:48 - Twin Violins Legato
21:08 - Viola Legato
23:26 - Twin Cellos Legato
24:14 - Quintet & Anthology Strings
27:32 - Twin Violins Legato Agile
30:40 - Outro & Live Demos - Hudba
Everytime 8dio releases a new instrument the thing I look forward to most is hearing your demo Troels. Hearing your raw concepts stimulates my imagination more then any other music these days. I appreciate your efforts so much, thank you.
Very kind!
This is by far one of the most realistic string libraries I've heard. It is that studio string sound I crave....thank you all so much!
Agreed
Hermoso. Impresionante el realismo que se consigue
This is what most of us needed and too many didn't know they did. I'm just so surprised that it took that long, but YOU 8Dio did it, finally.
Beautifully realistic...simply stunning!!✨💖✨
These are incredible sounding!
I love the 8Dio's legato processing and recording.
Most of all, I really like the fact that it preserves the attack and sustain release of the original legato sample without cutting.
A lot of stupid companies don't realize that cutting legato samples short is a problem.
This is so real... like a live section:) WOW... !!! STUNNED!!
This library sounds lovely for what it does.
Yes!!! Bravo.
That really sounds great!
Thank you Troels as a big 8dio user, i look forward to adding this beautiful library soon, I agree with you about celebrity.
Purchased the library yesterday and so far i'm loving it. Well done!
Your post is interesting because it implies the possibility that after 2 days you might could have been already disappointed by your new VST-i. And it happens a lot. I won't mention any brand, but Vst'is where after trial you just keep something like 10 instruments on the 300 they were supposed to offer is not rare, I think. There is often a huge difference between demo tapes and the real soundyou get once it's in your computer (recording gear, talent of the keyboard player, studio quality, etc..). So, what you say is a very good sign, indeed!
🤩🤩🤩super sound and concept
The Hermann part had me like WOW.Good job Troels and Co
This may be a silly suggestion, but I think many people fall in love with the sound of your demos with the reverb on.
After purchase, many struggle to get it close to your sound in the demos and this can be a bit frustrating.
You should consider offering up the reverb settings etc that you use in the demos, not everyone who buys your product is a proficient audio technician.
If you promote your product in a certain light, make it as easy a possible for customers to recreate that for themselves.
Thank you.
P.S. another excellent release 👍
Not silly at all. It is a good question. I used ValhallaRoom. Reverb Mode: Large Room. 28.6% feedback. 3.69s. (Cheers, Troels)
@@8dioproductions much appreciated 👍
Thanks for a super quick response.
Great suggestion, John!
It's a fantastic reverb and can't beat it for that 50 price!
Spectacular
This one sounds like it's the one. Dope!
best of the best
@ 17:25
Love love love that tone, composition & overall style
Take my money as always
Hi Tawnia, Troels and team 8Dio. Congratulations on your new 8Dio release; you’ve made it worth our while! This sounds incredible, downloading right now. What a fantastic companion to the Deep Quartet and ISS! As usual the walkthrough is very musical as well. Thx guys!
Thanks Temme!
I liked the demo. I can hear inspiration from Max Richter: "On The Nature of Daylight". Very nice sounding product.
I'm definitely getting the Kontakt full retail version just to purchase your libraries, guys. This sounds great.
What a sound😵 I’m looking for this legato possibility since long time thank you🙏🙏🙏 I will buy it for sure very soon🔥🔥
II would love to have short note like spicato for an update, i know you can do it with others library but having the same sounds makes it more real and once again what a sound🔥🔥🔥
Just rage bought this thing !
These strings sound awesome ! and have a very useful functionality. Thanks for developing them, and sharing this video with us. 😎👏
It’s pretty surreal seeing people I just know by name on VI Control on another platform like CZcams hahaha. Hi Muziksculp 👋😅
(I’m Reznov981, you’ve seen me around)
@@joelwybrew Hi, and nice to see you on YT.
Hi Troels,
It sounds amazing. Question: do the arcs sync to DAW?
I would love to hear a mockup of "The Porch" from Avengers: Infinity War with this orchestral library, because this sounds beautiful!
Im hoping to get this in the coming months. Love the Intimate studio strings so this will be a great addition. i personally am glad that you say theres the occasional double with crossover from some of the instruments. In my eyes that could be a feature of a library becasue in a real orchestra you would hairpin transitions between instruments anyways. so that for me is something that no ones done yet and it could really add more life to a piece. btw, great video!
Thanks Media! Intimate Studio Strings was recorded a couple of years before Deep Quintet. But it was all recorded in the same studio, same microphones, same instruments, same players. This ensures a consistency between the libraries, so you can safely operate within the same sonic class if you will. Cheers, Troels
That was a joy to watch and listen to, Troels. I know you do movie and game soundtrack score work, etc, but do you also produce your own original music? Because would totally buy it in a hot second! And I bet loads of others would, too, if they knew about it.
music.apple.com/us/album/the-captain/1489459063
Super stuff as ever Troels. I wonder if you could do a video showing how you set up the quintet in Kontakt? as you have multiple instances! As you have Arc demo for the full quintet. I think I'm missing something or have a bug as I can't load any articulations into the empty slots when I load up '8DIO Deep Quintet Strings.nki'
As others have commented, this is stunning: the most realistic and beautiful string library ever released! I just wish it was available as a Soundpaint ensemble, as I prefer that engine and UI to the now archaic Kontakt. Will it become available in Soundpaint? If so, when? Why does the text DECOMPOSER appear above your name in the beginning of the video? I sincerely hope that you are NOT yet decomposing, Troels, as I have grown quite attached to you. 🤩
*Troels* , what is that color coded thing below the piano keyboard? Just a typing keypad? If so, which color-coded overlay (specifically) are you using?
merci pour cette démonstration, cette bibliothèque peut elle fonctionner avec le Player de Sound Paint ?
Hi Troels, My question is a little bit different here. What video editing tool are you using to highlight and display text in your videos
Question: is the mod wheel usage in this video tied to a specific setting like velocity, or is it just volume adjustment?
it looks like it is connected to dynamics but you should be able to set the mod wheel to what you like....cheers
just wanted to say, if you play repeated notes with the legato patch, you do get the machine gun effect. RR need to be added there too
To clarify. You do get 9-way round robin when you play back and forth between DIFFERENT notes, however you do not get round robin if you repeat the SAME note. It is a good suggestion and something we will take a closer look at for updates. Our arcs do have round robin, so maybe that could be helpful for more advanced mockups.
Fantastic. Does it have polyphonic legato or not ? Thanks.
Website says yes :)
oh my.... @25:35
I'm following the innovations of your team and remain curious about these things. I'm not particularly able to afford every product but this sounds like a buy - the round robins sound particularly natural and nuanced - I'm not finished watching the video though. On another topic, could you please describe some benefits of Kontakt vs Soundpaint? Is it the scripting in Kontakt, the built in FX? (I read on in the VI Control thread, and I did see this "... multiple microphones, advanced articulation matrixes, keyswitches and all the usual suspects.... " "...What role can PB and MW play in order to negate these forced articulation systems?.." MW is modwheel, is that correct?
Kontakt is over 20 years old and with that comes a variety of pros and cons. The pros being you can do a lot of things - even round-based legato - which is fairly complex in its structure. The cons being you are at the mercy of whatever architecture was designed 2 decades ago. Soundpaint is 20 years later. It real-time renders the samples versus just triggering them in Kontakt. Soundpaint offers you 127 velocity layers for dynamic instruments - whereas Kontakt offers you however many layers that were recorded (commonly 3-7 for strings). The effects in Soundpaint are mostly based on real analog models and all designed with musicality in mind. In other words. In Kontakt we have to design the instruments for the engine - in Soundpaint we are designing the engine for the instruments.
In regards to your other question - we've made it public that we are gonna try to avoid having keyswitches in Soundpaint. Keyswitches offers you the ability to change articulations on the fly, but at the mercy of making certain keys on your keyboard become articulation controllers. To me the keys are sacred and only for music. I don't want engineering and fancy features to take away from what the keys are supposed to do. It just has to work with a pitch-bender, a modwheel (correct, MW), foot pedal and keyboard. Hope that helped a bit (Troels).
sounds great - will it be on Soundpaint some day, too? I don´t understand why some products are on SP and some on 8Dio, isn´t it the same company after all?
Yes. All our favorite releases will be available in Soundpaint one day, including the Deep Quintet Strings. Soundpaint is our proprietary engine technology, which real-time renders the samples at 127 dynamic velocity layers. In other words it takes time to port these releases over and we don't want to repeat whats already been done in Kontakt. But rather keep improving the Soundpaint engine technology until our legato matches that the fluidity of an instrument playing at 127 different dynamic velocity layers. Coming later this year.
@@Soundpaintmusic nice, but why no pizzicato here?
Is there a re-bow sample for playing the same note quickly on a legato patch?
Curious as well - he says he is open to adding an anti-machine gun on repeated notes, so I guess in the meantime the re-bowing happens, but not ideally since you want anti-machine gun on that as well.
Shame this is Kontakt only as it sounds beautiful. Will you be looking to release this on Soundpaint or something similar?
Absolutely! We can’t wait to show you how this will work on SP!
@@8dioproductions this is exciting stuff. I am glad companies like are breaking out of Kontakt. Good business for you and for us.
What song is that at the beginning ?
Hi Troels, I really like the sound and the idea of these strings. I'd gladly grab them, but there is only one concern I have. In all the demo's it seems the strings have a hard time staying quantized / on the beat. Is there an option to tighten this? Or is it just done on purpose in these demo's? Great sound though! Thanks
None of the examples were written to the grid - for the same reason a real quintet doesn't play on a quantized grid. If you want the human feel - you gotta play it as such. I guess you could quantize if you want to, but every back and forth is slightly different, so it may or may not give you the results you want. I would suggest play loosely to the metronome if you want them on the grid, but don't quantize too much and then have other elements (ex. spiccatos, stacctos, rhythmic elements) quantized to the grid.
there are no articulations like staccato or very short execution?
I bought 8dio bazantar, I cant open it in kontakt, WHY?
❗️👌💐👏🙏🏻😘
Troels - @30:46 you wonder why this hasn't been done before. One could argue about processing power and storage space. I dunno whether these are complete start-slide-endsus samples like in the old VSL-days, or whether you only sampled the (short) slides to manually stitch them to a regular set of sustains. The old VSL-route was huge of course.
But another reason, I think, is rather businesslike. No-one wants to invent the lightbulb that shines for a hundred years, for no-one would ever buy lightbulbs again after the first one. I work in MI retail, and I see it happening with MIDI keyboards, synths 'n such; each year after year you get exactly the same products. Maybe one button was added, maybe a color display was added, maybe a new software package was added (new version of Ableton, Bitwig, Cubase etc.). Maybe company x (or, company B, rather ;) ) releases a modern recreation of an old vintage synth, or maybe another company makes a small mobile version of something that used to be big. But all that is moot compared to the large steps that the industry took during the 70's, 80's and 90's. They are out of juice, because they know that if they go any bigger, that sooner or later people will ask themself whether it makes more sense to go for a MIDI keyboard and software instead.
Same for software. We all know what the eventual goal is going to be: a full orchestra, all instruments sampled individually. For woodwinds and brass this is already the case (AudioBro, Orchestral Tools), but the large ensembles are still waiting to undergo the same treatment. E.g. we are still waiting for 60 individual string players, and - why not - a large choir with wordbuilding, based on individual singers. As soon as that happens, we'll have the lightbulb that shines for a hundred years. Because it's usually ensemble samples that make things hard to control and repetitive. That is actually why AudioBro LASS 2 is so good: four layers. While everyone is like 'yeah, divisi', I'm more like "yeah, 256 staccato RR's". So, the question is really businesslike; who's going to invent the orchestral library that has 100+ sampled individuals, complete with lots of RR and lots of legatos. As soon as that happens, everyone can pack their bags. Too big? Maybe... if you could store one complete single instrument in 10 GB of space, then this 100-piece orchestra will eat up a terabyte. JXL Brass is already close to that - admittedly with boatloads of mic positions.
Having said that: I just ordered this one. Only pity is - and it follows what I just wrote - that there are not five individual parts. ;)
It could very well be those reasons or the fact it is so challenging to do that nobody wants to do it. It is really difficult!
I don't disagree it would be amazing to have every instrument solo, however there are other, more performance related factors, that are equally important. In fact - I don't think we are gonna see a library can do everything for a very long time. Not just because its too technically challenging (and certainly requires AI), but because there are so many different styles of music and no single instrument can cover them all. Do you want classical clarinet? Which century of orchestral writing? Vibrato was very different in 1960 than today. You want a jazz clarinet? Which style of jazz? You want a world clarinet?
From my point of view its mostly three things. First of all the technology one hosts the instruments in. In Kontakt we have to build the instruments for the engine. Whereas with our Soundpaint engine - we are shaping the engine for the instruments. Instruments can be boiled down into two segments - playability and emotion. Everything else is secondary, including celebrity endorsed halls or vintage microphones. None of this matters if the soul isn't there or isn't playable in the samples.
Cheers, T
I think Synful Orchestra is kind of a similar thing to Soundpaint - correct me if I'm wrong - I know there website isn't the best, but if you apply similar amounts of reverb you may be blown away like I was when I first heard that - although it was pricey and I didn't have long enough to demo it to decide how stable and workflow friendly it was. I think programmers like that were interested in evolving beyond the round robin thing (morphing as in Soundpaint and Synful Orchestra), and didn't necessarily have the right inspiration to do what has been done here by the guys, with Deep Quintet Strings.
@@Soundpaintmusic Naturally the style of an instrument matters. Just take a classically played violin, a violin from the Romantic era, a gypsy violin, Irish/Americana fiddle-style and whatnot. However, from these, usually only the classical or Romantic violins are part of what we call an orchestra. Fiddle and Gypsy are more for solo parts. Either way. The point I wanted to make was that by having individual players, some of the current ensemble problems are solved.
For example; if you have 16 violins, each with 4x RR for staccato and 4x RR for staccatissimo, you're likely to never hear any repetition again (especially when you add slight pitch fluctations, loudness fluctuations, neighbour stealing, and random delays). Also, fades between dynamic layers could be far more smooth by giving each violin its own crossfade loudness position. One could also argue that half the violins are sampled with P, MF and FF and the other half would be sample with PP, MP and F, then you also have different crossfade points. This solves lots of the realism problems with the current ensemble sounds. Ensembles sounds are rather course in their transitions and RR's. And within the realm of ensembles you're more or less forced to use, say, 9 RR's for legato's ^_^ and, who knows, 9 RR's for the short notes. It might be that with one legato for solo violins, while applying software fluctuations, you may not even *need* this many RR's for ensembles. Also, but that's mixing, with individual exports, it'd be easier to position all these individual players how you want, and bring out specific ones in the mix.
So, I agree that there are many styles to be had, but I propose this ensemble solution.
Great tool. Started to use it today. Really helps for the repetitions. I can't find any official 8dio forums.. would you be ok to discuss some technical questions here if planning any update ? I have issue with the Cello repetitions on all keys around E1 to G1 at high dynamics then again B1 to E2 it's almost like the high layer dynamics is missing and the articulation is say mf rather then f. it creates jumps when you suddenly go to E2F2.
One thing I miss is the ability to use velocity as dynamic. because doing repetitions, sometimes the accent is not where I want and modwheel is not as fast as Velocity to fix that. So having velocity + modwheel (with a blend button from 0 to 100%) would help fix this (if possible).
*8dioproductions* What is the last day of the sale price?
The price remains $150 until June 1st 2023 - in which case it goes into our promotions.
@@Soundpaintmusic Thank you!
So... two violins and two cellos are recorded together? They are not separable?
No they are not
You can dial in the microphone perspective between them, but it is all on one button, which brings forth different colors depending on setting.
@@8dioproductions IOW you can't separate the individual instruments of the same variety. (Can't separate those violins, can't separate those cellos, am I right?)
I cant get the library to play as fast as the runs you are playing here Troels. Is there some setting or something you have enabled to help speed up the run playing? It sounds lovely.
We are playing the same library. Try go to 18:23 and look at UI upper right corner. You will notice the "SPEED" setting is about 12 o'clock. Maybe that is what you are looking for? (Cheers, Troels)
@@Soundpaintmusic Thank you I will have a look!
By the way I've listened to "the captain" on repeat almost every day for the last 2 or 3months, I'm completely blown away by the track "the captain" in particular. Stunning music and my number 1 favourite epic piece of all time.
@@SeanRooneyMusic Aw - thank you Sean. I tend to write best when it is personal to me. The Captain was written to a near family member who happens to be a captain. He has been going through some health related challenges, so I wrote the music to send light and love, motivate and energize him (and myself). He is still alive and kicking!
@@SeanRooneyMusic And remember overlapping keys. It may look simple when I play it, but it takes a little while to play with consistent overlaps.
Sounds promising, but the amount of reverb on this demo makes it hard to fully judge. In mixing the amount of reverb will always be a matter of taste. But in a showcase situation such as this, many of the nuances, the quality of vibrato etc will get lost if you put so much reverb on. Traditionally, I had to mask the crappiness of various string libraries by putting on a lot of reverb, so hearing this makes me a bit wary ;-) A dryer and clearer soundstage for a demo would feel more honest and transparent, at least for me.
And also, is there any way to vary the speed of the vibrato? Real players will typically adapt the vibrato speed to the general tempo of a piece, as well as musically modifying it through the course of a phrase.
21:51 L I C C
Question.
Does this library have other articulations such a staccato, and pizzicato.?
If not what other one of your libraries would could one use to add those.
These pair incredibly well with the 8Dio Deep Solo instruments aka 8Dio Deep Studio Quartet, comprising of solo violin, viola, violoncello and contrabass. Each comes with no less than 88 articulations, including a wealth of shorts, martele, spiccato, staccato etc. Recorded in the same studio and really a fantastic set of companion libraries. Then there’s also the ensembles, recorded in the same room that are part of this collection, called Intimate Studio Strings. All use the same concept and share a common GUI.
@@TemmeSikkema Cool!
Thanks for the reply
Scandinavian accent!!
these strings sounds great - but whats the point of "it feels so natural" when you play strings with a keyboard? that makes no sense 😎
Great deal on this right now! Think I’m gonna snatch it up. 🥹