Optical Lens Centering using a LOH LZ-80.

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @TimVT971
    @TimVT971 Před 4 lety +68

    Your videos, for the right crowd, are pure gold. Thank you! The discussion about the issues with the lens tube are quite helpful.

    • @tolga1cool
      @tolga1cool Před 2 lety +1

      They are really awesome even if you're there wrong crowd. I have no plans to ever make my own lens, however I really enjoy the technical videos and calm explanations

    • @lst141
      @lst141 Před 2 lety

      Even for the crowd that is not into the business.
      Do you think that Louis rossman, an apple repair man that has almost 2 million subscribers that repair MacBooks!?
      It’s how he presents things, absolutely precise even if you do not understand a piece!.

  • @CaskStrength777
    @CaskStrength777 Před 4 lety +65

    I love how you turned the machine into an extremely accurate lathe using a micrometer xyz stage as your toolholder.
    You definitely have training as a machinist somehow to deduce you could do that. Cutting geometry and relative motion are all that is ever needed for cutting action- and sometimes you find unique ways of presenting that reality to your workpiece- like you did here.
    Especially liked the indicated tap trick.
    Your channel is definitely niche, but full of creative genius. Bravo for posting again what you already do, fascinating stuff

    • @csours
      @csours Před 2 lety

      I laughed so hard when I saw that. Finest Quick Fix Engineering I've ever seen!

  • @tigertiger1699
    @tigertiger1699 Před 5 měsíci +1

    🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @uscindia9808
    @uscindia9808 Před 3 lety +2

    Sir
    You are my professor in optical engineering field .....explained with high efforts theory With practical......Keep posting such a knowledgeable video .....
    Regards
    Shall san
    Mumbai
    India

  • @roguethinker6284
    @roguethinker6284 Před 3 lety +4

    I love your channel. I have always been interested in optics and telescopes and the knowledge that goes into them. Thank you for feeding my brain lots of great material!

  • @movax20h
    @movax20h Před 4 lety +3

    That was so funny and educational. The use of the make shift accurate lathe was interesting too.

  • @rogeronslow1498
    @rogeronslow1498 Před 3 lety +3

    Great video. Very specialised work and out of my field but still fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ViceChief
    @ViceChief Před 4 lety +6

    Such a great video. Thank you for making these videos.

  • @joeo6378
    @joeo6378 Před 3 lety +4

    Had me laughing at the end. The dejected look and poking that giant machine. Like a kid that gets a new toy but no batteries.

  • @ericwebster6911
    @ericwebster6911 Před 4 lety +4

    This is pure genius!

  • @sebaschtl9710
    @sebaschtl9710 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm so glad I found your channel. Great work. So beautifully explained and funny!

  • @glentyan2505
    @glentyan2505 Před 3 lety +2

    Excellent video, very informative and a true craftsman.

  • @ericlotze7724
    @ericlotze7724 Před 4 lety +2

    I love the combo of old machine with new pc.

  • @Moonblade042194
    @Moonblade042194 Před 4 lety +3

    GREAT VIDEO! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience!

  • @denispol79
    @denispol79 Před 3 lety +1

    What a lucky friend you got!
    I also want a friend that is a highly experienced optics builder

  • @TecKonstantin
    @TecKonstantin Před 4 lety +4

    Always enjoying your videos! The ending was great :)

    • @reps
      @reps Před 4 lety +1

      So this is where all the cool kids are hanging out these days ...

    • @TecKonstantin
      @TecKonstantin Před 4 lety

      dito, more like since i was a kid ;),

    • @Dukey8668
      @Dukey8668 Před 4 lety

      @@reps I was just thinking of you while watching this video - you and OP have a very similar style.

  • @seraphin_creates
    @seraphin_creates Před 3 lety +4

    such awesome content on this channel! thanks!!

  • @CameraRestore
    @CameraRestore Před 4 lety +3

    Amazing job!
    Lens calibration on camera lenses is a big problem, most of the time because of this I skip the repair or change the whole new group, I would like to find a way to calibrate camera lenses, I knew about the laser but no much information about it
    Thank you for sharing

  • @ericlotze7724
    @ericlotze7724 Před 4 lety +20

    The fact these machines sell for so little astounds me.

    • @samsmith9764
      @samsmith9764 Před 3 lety +4

      i know right, that thing sold for less than its scrap value by the looks of it

    • @Gabriel-yd4bq
      @Gabriel-yd4bq Před 3 lety +2

      @@samsmith9764 Probably someone wanted to get rid of it

  • @Vikingman2024
    @Vikingman2024 Před 3 lety +1

    Outstanding! Always learning...

  • @fatihdurmaz9826
    @fatihdurmaz9826 Před 4 lety +2

    thank you so much for uploading

  • @extradimension7356
    @extradimension7356 Před 4 lety +2

    This video is pure awesomeness / a real scream , at least three very good quotes. (Very funny / cool).
    Awesome Hacks with using the spindle on the centering machine for final cut on the cup and also measures for concentricity / roundness.
    @Huygens Optics what do you estimate the size of your laser spot to be ? Wasn't clear where the reflection for optical axis comes from back from the lens? (Sub titles covered that lol) ? [Which surface ?] I know with some photographic lenses you can use an autocollimator and reflective reference plate/ (plane of the image), and rotate the whole lens assembly and correct the flange to be perpendicular to within arc seconds by rotating the lens and correcting the flange (similar to what you show here with a stationary reflected "spot"). With off axis (at different angular) positions of an autocollimator you can also measure radial distortion in a lens... Just an idea you could use or repurpose your rig for. Also makes me think that if a lens could be mounted you could also machine final precision reference surfaces to the lens in a metal holder or flange / cartridge (rather than grinding the glass directly ?). Not sure how thermal expansion of glass vs. Aluminum / Aluminum bronze affects how you "Grip" a lens element precisely in a fairly permanent / bomb proof way (that doesn't slip or creep or fall out of alignment from being jarred ). ? Is it all optical cement for that ? [Just some ideas maybe for future videos etc. ].
    [Carl Zeiss makes a thing that looks like an ironing board with an autocollimator for radial distortion measurements and other lens parameters.]. I think I can find a link.
    . ---> Just as an aside various folks in the Astronomy community talk about pros and cons of the use of carbon fiber, particularly with refractors and anecdotally grumble about CF for refractors not being so good or mumbling about differences in thermal expansion , CF having a -ve coeff. for Thermal expansion etc. Do you have any ideas about that (I'm not an astronomer, but interested in advanced optical / photonic systems.).
    I think I can devise some useful stuff / work for your awesome early 80's rig :-)

    • @HuygensOptics
      @HuygensOptics  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi ED, thanks for all the suggestions. About the size of the laser spot, I think it can be as small as 15-20 pixels on the CCD. On the screen in the video it has different sizes, and that is because of the different magnifications I use to minimize the spot movement. You can use an autocollimator, however if you have a strongly curved lens you might get very differently sized reflections back, I have no Idea how that works out. Basically you are viewing the reflections throught a straw (inside of the hollow axis is only 8mm) so there is very little room to play. Even finding the reflected laser spot is sometimes tricky. But I agree there is plenty of room for improvement. You can keep the lenses in place by using a little nail polish on the sides (between lens and cup) after you have aligned the lens. also use some on the top surface. It is very easy to damage the glass or a coating with this type of tool, both with aluminium and brass.
      Carbon fiber enforced materials are generally stiff, but the CTE is still quite high because of the resin. I don't see many advantages over aluminium / steel except maybe for the weight aspect or the aestetics. I'm no expert on this though.

  • @repbacchista
    @repbacchista Před 3 lety

    just awesome, i love to watch the processes, thank you very much sir

  • @lucianovasco4654
    @lucianovasco4654 Před 3 lety +1

    Bom dia, quero parabenizar você por conseguir entender e resolver os problemas que foram aparecendo. Tenho inveja de você por isso, já desanimo quando minhas soluções não dão certo da primeira vez. Parabéns.

  • @ericlotze7724
    @ericlotze7724 Před 4 lety +2

    It would be complex, but perhaps attach steppers/servos on the dials for CNC -> Mechanical -> Device?

    • @ericlotze7724
      @ericlotze7724 Před 4 lety +1

      I would be willing to help with development.

    • @HuygensOptics
      @HuygensOptics  Před 4 lety

      Thanks. Actually I have looked into this and it is possible. It would simplify the construction considerably, since some degrees of freedom are now intertwined. But since I use this machine so little it's actually not worth the effort at this moment. Maybe I will make a project of it in the future.

  • @KantidMM
    @KantidMM Před 3 lety

    Well done. It was very interesting!

  • @twoalpha09
    @twoalpha09 Před 3 lety

    Wow I used the LOH LZ-80 more than 40 years ago did not think they are still around

  • @alec4672
    @alec4672 Před 3 lety +2

    5:50 idk if this is just an American thing but in English here we call it cam logic. A physically 'programmed' system.

  • @ricardommyamada
    @ricardommyamada Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing!!
    Very Good!

  • @user-mm1uf4on2g
    @user-mm1uf4on2g Před 4 lety +2

    Очень познавательно, спасибо.

  • @camelotorc2
    @camelotorc2 Před 3 lety

    I hope the customer atleast paid for all your efforts

  • @chosen_none
    @chosen_none Před 3 lety

    Wow, there's no precision like optical prevision :)
    Is that lens group an Apochromat?

  • @vmiguel1988
    @vmiguel1988 Před 4 lety

    I think you should start making some lenses, I know a lot of makers that would love to have some custom optics 😁

    • @HuygensOptics
      @HuygensOptics  Před 4 lety +2

      I know for sure that is indeed the case. However, making accurate single lenses is very time consuming and therefore expensive. I don't think many people would like to spend a 1000+ euro's on a single lens, especially if they need more than one.

  • @ilkersar7087
    @ilkersar7087 Před 4 lety +1

    thx a lot!

  • @bobweiram6321
    @bobweiram6321 Před 3 lety

    You can use this laser technique to align a lathe tailstock to a headstock.

  • @alexandre.campinas
    @alexandre.campinas Před 4 lety +1

    thanks!

  • @MrScooter46290
    @MrScooter46290 Před 3 lety

    I love making lenses, and mirrors. I wish we all could easily get orders to make stuff. Is there a buisness, to person in garage order bidding process. Does anybody know of some way or place to get orders?

  • @17THSTREETMARKET
    @17THSTREETMARKET Před 3 lety

    You are to lens centering what Persig was to motorcycle maintenance. Ahh, science.

  • @gustavgnoettgen
    @gustavgnoettgen Před 3 lety

    They polished Steve Rogers in the same machine.

  • @daviperes
    @daviperes Před 4 lety

    👍🏻

  • @foxtrot2320
    @foxtrot2320 Před 3 lety

    Why I have watched an entire video of something that doesn't interest me is beyond me.. Must say it was quite a shame for it to not end up being used after all, as I was looking forward to seeing it.

    • @helmut666kohl
      @helmut666kohl Před 3 lety

      Tho he used it as a super high precision MacGyver lathe - so there is that…

  • @fatihdurmaz9826
    @fatihdurmaz9826 Před 4 lety

    hehehehe

  • @geraldthompson3421
    @geraldthompson3421 Před 5 měsíci

    Brilliant explanation. Thank you...

  • @Kargoneth
    @Kargoneth Před 6 měsíci +1

    Hmm. Well, at least your machine is on top form now.

  • @Kargoneth
    @Kargoneth Před 6 měsíci

    You have to hope that each face of the lens has a co-linear axis of rotation.

  • @Kargoneth
    @Kargoneth Před 6 měsíci

    Up to 58 adjustment steps. Yikes! Better make a checklist!

  • @1h1oh34
    @1h1oh34 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Just found you…magnificent channel…can’t wait to have time to peruse…

  • @marklimbrick
    @marklimbrick Před 7 měsíci

    I saw this years ago.
    Now I want to ask a question.
    When a polished lens is edged like this, does the glass surface distort at all?

    • @HuygensOptics
      @HuygensOptics  Před 7 měsíci

      Not by much, but very slightly is possible since introducing these small cracks can introduce some stress in the material.

  • @trident8872
    @trident8872 Před 8 měsíci

    Very valuable information you have shared

  • @badranalfalaki9881
    @badranalfalaki9881 Před 11 měsíci

    How can i puy the lenses like 100 mm ، convex lens , and concave lens ,

  • @darkwood777
    @darkwood777 Před rokem

    Nice video. I would like to see more info on the subject as it pertains to chromatic aberrations in triplet telescopes.

  • @trollmcclure1884
    @trollmcclure1884 Před rokem

    no lenses to center. Yeah, I hate when that happens

  • @antoniorodolpho6835
    @antoniorodolpho6835 Před rokem

    What a wonderful channel !

  • @mohammadbarani5452
    @mohammadbarani5452 Před rokem +1

    For some reason which I do not know exactly why, watching your step-by-step work and learning about how you strive to do something different, new, and interesting gives a feeling of excitement, joy, and satisfaction. Beautiful job.

  • @hiperkinetico2011
    @hiperkinetico2011 Před rokem

    Hello, your video is very good, I wanted to ask you, would it be possible to make that type of microscope that the video shows after minute 11?
    czcams.com/video/nxhXRhjLaXM/video.html

  • @BracaPhoto
    @BracaPhoto Před rokem

    Will the "stretch" in the chain create accuracy variations over time ?? I ran into that once and it took a few weeks to figure out the root cause 👍👍

  • @Rich-hy2ey
    @Rich-hy2ey Před rokem

    Good work, I hope he reported back to the (expensive) telescope company that their compressor/field flattener housing was flawed.

  • @TomeRodrigo
    @TomeRodrigo Před rokem

    That ending :D

  • @himeccms893
    @himeccms893 Před rokem

    How about a video on how an amateur can re-glue a delaminated set of lens? I've got a few compact cameras with these faulty lens, not worth paying to have them fixed. I'm thinking of making use of an old hard disk drive to spin the lens and glue it. Maybe a cheap diode laser to center it?

  • @reidflemingworldstoughestm1394

    All dressed up and nowhere to go.

  • @rolfzimm3467
    @rolfzimm3467 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent video!

  • @ErikAnders
    @ErikAnders Před 2 lety

    Wow

  • @SubTroppo
    @SubTroppo Před 2 lety

    Fascinating. I wonder how long it took to become skilled with this machine. I am going to look up more of your videos from years gone by. ps Here am I wondering how to clean the lenses of a cheap pair of binoculars I bought for a few Australian dollars in a charity shop (small enough to hang around the neck when cycling).

  • @lst141
    @lst141 Před 2 lety +2

    May I suggest you to finish you casts with what now is a famous citation
    “ I hope that you learned something today”. By Louis Rossman, a newyorker apple repairman that has an atitude with his bread provider!
    Now we know why Leica and zeiss were so expensive optical systems….

  • @teresashinkansen9402
    @teresashinkansen9402 Před 2 lety +2

    Amateur astronomers are some quite special people, there are many brilliant and nice people but many others draw parallels to audiophiles and their irrational preoccupation of equipment quality, spending thousands for marginal improvements in quality so they get off to watching barely improved airy disks and becoming clear examples of the placebo effect, describing optical feats far beyond what the aperture might enable to. Yet they berate you for buying a non boutique OTA that has a strehl ratio of less than .90 "I tell you, can see the volcanic plumes of Io on my Questar 3.5 inch" "Wow! nice photo of Jupiter, the red spot looks nice definitely smaller than some 5 years ago, did you took it with a Tak? probably 6 inch, What!? its not a Tak? its just a mass produced OTA? mmm I see why it lacks contrast and vivrance, also I think it has some spherical aberration you should go get checked that, mmm i think might also have some roughness on the mirror. I have 30 years of experience! so believe me, I can see lighting bolts in the storm with my 99999$ triplet apo Tak, its .98 strehl just cuts thorough seeing, my 50 year old diabetic eyesight its well trained better than any silly digital contraption! photon to retina its the best!"

  • @jedimastersterling1
    @jedimastersterling1 Před 2 lety +1

    I totally called the precision machining the cups in situ. They do the same thing for mill tables. Awesome trick.

  • @Karebear9001
    @Karebear9001 Před 2 lety

    You may find some of the old cam driven lathes and old fire control computers interesting. Iirc there’s an old us navy video on YT that has a very nice explanation of how a function is translated into a cam surface.

  • @davesmith9325
    @davesmith9325 Před 2 lety

    Excellent video. In some ways sad it ended being for nothing but you (and now we!) learned some stuff. It's all interesting

  • @rexmundi8154
    @rexmundi8154 Před 2 lety

    I’m loving these videos!

  • @mantapbetul6686
    @mantapbetul6686 Před 2 lety

    Nicely may the God Bless you.🙏

  • @MrMilarepa108
    @MrMilarepa108 Před 2 lety +1

    Loved the end where you sit bored next to the machine. So funny 🤣
    Hope you get some new lenses to center that are actually wrong.

  • @alfakrab6134
    @alfakrab6134 Před 2 lety +1

    I love your Channel

  • @babylonfive
    @babylonfive Před 2 lety +1

    Love your videos... enjoying them all in retrospect!

  • @johnsmith-000
    @johnsmith-000 Před 2 lety

    Great video, a always. I can lend you my hundred or so pairs of biconcave/biconvex lenses if you need something to train centering;) I wanted to make viewfinders for underwater camera housings, and tried to reverse engineer the viewfinder I had at hand, but I must have done something wrong, as the new lenses didn't work as expected, and I finally gave up.

  • @lioneloconnor4785
    @lioneloconnor4785 Před 2 lety

    😂😂😂awaiting part 2

  • @dgalvarez
    @dgalvarez Před 2 lety

    Haha. I enjoyed the finish of the project. Too much work for that result. This remember when my fiends ask to me to make some stuff in my cave and I immediately think about the time I'll need to make that "simple task" 😂

  • @campbellmorrison8540
    @campbellmorrison8540 Před 2 lety

    I am very fascinated with your videos, the most detailed explanations I have seen anywhere. I especially liked your OLED one. I wonder if you or somebody else might explain why many lens are made in multiple pieces and then glued or pressed together, is it only to use different refractive properties of the glasses or are there other reasons?

    • @BartSliggers
      @BartSliggers Před 2 lety +1

      Yes this is mostly done to compensate for (chromatic) aberrations. Ideally the dispersive properties of a doublet or triplet should cancel each other out.

  • @omicron0mega
    @omicron0mega Před 2 lety +1

    Mate, you know your glass.

  • @brothertyler
    @brothertyler Před 2 lety

    I really enjoy your videos because of the straight and upfront technical manner of them, thank you for posting them.

  • @opticalmechanic
    @opticalmechanic Před 2 lety +2

    I worked on an LZ80 when I was an apprentice. The appearance of the machine always reminded me of the robot from Lost in Space.

  • @ramkitty
    @ramkitty Před 3 lety

    Visual differential geometry and forms by needham, a great book to learn more about these maths. Machine operators for this must have been saints of patience to deal with that setup. The whitehats demand for production must have been frustrating.

  • @martinmiglio
    @martinmiglio Před 3 lety

    machining on the tap scares the h*ll out of me

  • @georhodiumgeo9827
    @georhodiumgeo9827 Před 3 lety +2

    When you can’t pass up a good deal on a tool so you find a project for the tool. I also have fallen into some of those traps.

  • @davidbrandenburg8029
    @davidbrandenburg8029 Před 3 lety

    I thought those scopes only used mirrors not apochromatic lenses, what kind of scope is that?

  • @davidkierzkowski
    @davidkierzkowski Před 3 lety +2

    Great video nice machine lots of specialized knowledge

  • @wwjjss33
    @wwjjss33 Před 3 lety +4

    A shop I worked with used their Bridgeport Type II mill as a make-shift CNC lathe by placing rod material in the collets and mounting lathe tools in various custom blocks in the Angle-Lock vise--using the mill as a vertical CNC turning center ;)
    Love your content! I just subscribed.

  • @tolkienfan1972
    @tolkienfan1972 Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome

  • @MikheilGhvinianidze
    @MikheilGhvinianidze Před 3 lety

    That is the same reason why so Manny 3D printers got returned back to the store.

  • @bemusedindian8571
    @bemusedindian8571 Před 3 lety

    Best ending ever.

  • @ddegn
    @ddegn Před 3 lety

    Look on the bright side. You have a new lathe.

  • @Spark-Hole
    @Spark-Hole Před 3 lety

    Thanks you, I love the knowledge you have given.
    Is that Hungarian accent?