Here’s what I find in these “shootouts” and when I do them with my own gear and with friends. It basically comes down to what you’re comparing it to and eventually it becomes swings and roundabouts. If you have two guitars that are tonally similar like these two then generally the guitar with a little more higher end appears better. That’s why they call ES’s “burst killers”. But if you then take that 335 and compare it with an SG, the SG is the shoutier guitar and appears to win out. Compare the SG with a V and the same thing happens. Now come full circle and compare the V with the Les Paul and they’re not tonally similar enough that all of the sudden the V starts sounding a bit like a tin can next to the Les Paul. If they’re tonally close the brighter guitar wins, if it’s not close the warmer guitar wins. My .02
I know… I just bought a lefty 335 style Eastman… nice, but Not quite the same thing as a 335 but less than half of the cost… I really wish it were a 335
That made me laugh too. However, for a little while at the start, I got the impression Mick seemed a bit self-conscious in front of the camera? Maybe having ‘the boss’ there had this effect, but I did wonder what Mick was thinking when he said they ‘needed’ to acquire a Gibson SG for their collection in front of Catherine. Then again, maybe that’s just because I can imagine getting ‘that look’ from my Mrs if she heard me saying I was thinking of buying another guitar!
Equally wonderful sounding guitars, but noticeably different tonal qualities. As a Fender single coil guy, I gravitate toward the 335 over the LP because it does tend to have a more open harmonic sound. As Clapton (and many others) proved, however, you can sound equally amazing on a Tele, Strat, 335, or LP if you have the skills to adapt to the playing characteristics of each guitar. And I've proved you can sound equally bad on all four. 🤪
Here’s the thing: My dad ran a store, and received new guitars every week. Everything sounded warmer and rounder in his hands than in mine. The difference was greater than 335 VS Les Paul. So much so, that I had to go to the amp to match his tones. Chasing the right guitar will just lead you round in circles. Try chasing the right tone instead, and let that lead you to the guitar that fits your playing.
I bought a Tele a few months ago, passed it around among myself & 5 friends, and it made 4-5 pretty different sounds. Pickups and speaker and EQ certainly shape the tone, but the player is the same from instrument to instrument
I’m playing a squire standard. Solid axe but nothing fancy. I’ve always wanted something more fancy like an American made fender. One day my teacher borrowed it and I realised just how much of the potential in the guitar i wasn’t reaching. Players really affect the sound immensely!
I'm so tired of guitar players parroting this nonsense as if it's fact. It's this 'iTs aLL iN YoUr fiNGeRs' that's been passed around as gospel for decades and I'm sorry to tell you but guitars and gear do/does make a difference tonally. You can absolutely chase tones AND get them. I've been doing it since the mid-90s. As a teen, I heard Clapton, Hendrix and Page all playing through Marshalls and chased that tone for years until I found out that it wasn't in anyone's fingers, it was in getting a 1967 Superlead and realizing that the newer ones sound nothing like the old ones. The second I turned that amp up, I knew right then and there that the right amp was EXACTLY what I was looking for. And for guitars, I've always loved Gibsons but never found any new ones that I cared for. Then I found a beat to hell '67 335 that was FINALLY the tone I was looking for - still literally nothing to do with my playing or fingers. Les Paul (or classic recordings of them) had always been my favorite guitar tone but again, none of the new ones sounded like what I wanted. Of course every hack and music store clerk parroted the gospel of 'it's in your fingers' nonsense but when I was finally able to afford a converted (50s P-90 LP routed for humbuckers) THAT WAS IT - I had finally found a Les Paul that sounded like the old recordings I'd always loved. So no, kids, it's not in your fingers, it's the gear. Don't give up, you'll eventually find a guitar that works for you, tonally - and it doesn't have to be a $20,000 guitar; my '67 335 cost me far less than a new Custom Shop costs.
@@WetOldeThere's literally **zero** difference tonally between a Squire and an American made Fender. It is the same wood, same electronics and same pickups (unless we're talking Custom Shop) - the only difference is going to be fit and finish. The Squire might not feel as good or you'll have cosmetic issues, but tonally, they are the same thing.
Thoughts on this episode as I watch: 1. 335's clean sounds have more space in 'em. Like , not that there's reverb to the sound but there's definitely less punch to your ears and more "sweep" to them. The 335 steps forward but the LP is right in there (to its possible detriment). 2. As a producer you'd be well minded to know when to point to a 335 or a LP for a part. 3. With the 335 in everything up to mid gain... you can be more relaxed about how you approach the strings. Its airier so you have space to "choose" when to dig in. With the LP Dan is having to work harder to be more sensitive. Even a slight lick of adrenaline could push it too far. I think the LP teaches the guitarist a different lesson about themselves; how to tread lightly. 4. The 335 invites you to dig in a bit to get the dynamics but the LP laughs at you: Dig as hard as you like and it'll take it. 5. Once it starts getting gainier you have to work harder with the 335 to keep it up. You can live in the world of gain with the LP 6. In a mix, with more gain, the 335 will sit back and fill in a great pad or rhythmic cushion that he song can sit on...the LP drives harder though. It is so much more aggressive that it barks orders at the music. The 335 is a competent supporting team player, the LP is a boss. 7. I never play humbuckers on 10 either... didn't analyse why (specifically) 'til now. Coil splits go up near 10 (where available) but HBs stay down about 8. Tone pots too seldom see 10 on my LP. There's so much in those pots... the sweet spot is always back a bit 'til it starts to go "goo!" 8. There's a world of gain beyond what you've demonstrated here.... I don't know about the 335 but the LP (with its compression characteristics) is totally available to people in that world. 9. Roll the pots back and spend more time finding the edge with different gain structures on your double humbucker guitars. I think there's a word of possibilities for you boys there and I for one would be delighted to see you find your way through it. 10. You two should fly by the seat of your pants more often.
As a pro sax player infiltrating the guitar world, I am compelled to say the following: I learn so very much from you guys and I really dig this channel. Enjoy hearing each of you play too. I own a 335 and a Les Paul and this video reiterated - quite enjoyably, I might add - what I've gleaned from my own pursuit, which is that there is much that is alike in the performance of each of these classics but so much, nuance in particular, that is unique to each that one should own at least one of each in a complete collection. Please help me explain this to my wife...
I know it's not quite the same thing, but I have a Epiphone Sheraton II Pro and a Gretsch 5420T and I'm really loving the feel of my Sheraton. The tone is very different compared to the 5420T. I love both of them. So my answer is get both and don't compare. They bring different things out of your playing. P.S. My Ibanez Artist acts as my Les Paul, but needless to say, it's not a Les Paul. It does have its own thing though. I definitely don't play it enough.
My fave position on an LP is the middle, which gets left out of a lot of YT videos. And I don’t mean the out-of-phase tone; just a normal middle position. Nice and open and airy - more like a 335 in fact.
Funny you say this cause I normally either play bridge or neck, but I store my LP with the switch in the middle position. Every time I plug in the guitar, the first few notes are usually in the middle position. And I always have to think, "That sounds sweet." I have to do it more often.
As the owner of two Les Paul’s... get yourself a strat. Much better guitar for that type of tone. And get a Tele for good measure. And a jazzmaster. And basically anything Fender make.
The thing I love about the Gibson layout is rhythm on neck rolled back a touch and flick the pup switch to bridge for full-on lead. With an amp just at it’s pretty-break up. Perfect.
Mick's playing around 13 minutes in is the same reason I love my 335. Also, an interesting aside, lots of my favorite older jazz/blues records like Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, Wes, they were using tweeds and/or pushed tube amps with their Gibby hollows. I think those are pinnacle tones even though Jazz started getting into that sterile clean territory later on, those early records have amazing tones. Grant Green especially with the 330 (p90s I know) yet its still that thing, never gets old for me. Now you have Julian Lage playing through tweeds and pushed fenders and its a refreshing move back to those rootsy sounds
especially in that middle position! As a drummer, I find playing with guys on 335s so much more comfortable. I spent a lot of years in an electric blues band where both guitarists played 335s as their main axes (one through a Matchless and one throug a Mesa Blue Angel!) and it was glorious. (though I think my ideal would be one with a 335 and one on something with P90s)
This really shows the tones that can come from just one guitar. More people need to learn to play their guitar , pedals ares the icing on the cake. Great show guys , as much as is good on 10. Some times is nice to take the back seat and dime it down and enjoy the ride !!
335 for me, every time. That hollow body gives it much more twang than the Les Paul, and when overdriven it is absolutely THE guitar tone of rock n' roll.
It’s as is you fellas stepped into my head and said “let’s do an episode just for this guy!” These are two of my favourite guitars and I own both... and both are equally loved ! Thanks for the episode fellas 🤘🏽
I feel like the Lester’s clean tone is slightly under-appreciated, because a lot of players typically think rock and roll sounds when they reach for a Les Paul. I’ve gotten some great ambient tones out of a LP for the kind of music I play.
Agree 100%. I love the '59 reissue pups on my '14 LP Traditional, and like my Strats, play most material on the neck only pickup engaged. The clean tone is sooooo sweet on that...just a touch of reverb and the tone is perfect.
I am lucky enough to own two guitars similar to each of these; the Les Paul was a 60th birthday present last summer, the the 335 I have owned for thirty years but just returned from a 20 year loan spell to my nephew last week! Your show has inspired me, again, this time, to look for what each of these iconic instruments can do and where to fit them into my reemerging repertoire. Great show lads, keep them coming!
Great show, as ever! You absolutely hit the nail on the head at 37:45, talking about the difference in dynamic range/intrinsic compression between 25.5 and 24.75 inch scale length guitars. LPs really shine when you let them breathe by not attacking the strings quite as hard.
Until seeing this video I could not tell the difference between the sound of those two guitars after adding some gain! Clean sounds I could tell them apart, but overdriven or distorted sounds, I could not! At all! You guys opened my eyes! Thank you!
So what you're telling me is ... I need both in my life ... sounds reasonable enough to me, I'll go let the wife know ... if you don't hear from me again, I'm dead.
It's fascinating how "midrange" is defined by guitars, by amps, by pedals - it's such a wide waveband and can mean so many things. A Les Paul into a Marshall will "have a lot of mids," in the sense that a classic Marshall's Mid control really brings out the grunt and crunch of an LP - but when I plug my PRS Hollowbody into one of my Mesa/Boogies, the lower-pitched and wider midrange of the Mesa is RIGHT where that hollow PRS starts singing. On certain versions of the Rectifier, in fact, the right combination of Gain and Treble can get you very much the same frequency band that's "Mid" on a Marshall. And as Mick well knows, a Tube Screamer fits right into the "mids" of a black-panel Fender, but the mids in a tweed Bassman are nowhere near that rounded and polite. Endlessly fascinating to me, the way "midrange" defines so much about tone but is, in itself, a moving target.
I’ve always been a big fender guy, but in September I bought an SG. I replaced the pick ups with low output Seymour duncans, and it is now my number one.
@@Fr3ddyUK yeah I use a SD jazz neck with an aged alnico 5 magnet and a SD jazz bridge (not the jb) with an aged alnico 2 magnet. The alnico 2 mag in the bridge helps to smooth the mids some. The jazz bridge is a criminally underrated bridge pickup. NGL
I am blessed to have both guitars myself. For clean, I much prefer the woody and open tone of the 335. For hard rocking, the tighter sound of the Les Paul. They both sound great with mild distortion, and for blues, they both sound great with the Les Paul having more grit due to the pickup selection. But check out Freddie King and Clapton with the 335 and you will hear how great it sounds. Larry Carlton is the king on the 335, and for his mild breakup, the 335 can sound amazing. I play mine through a Boogie Mark VII and its one of the best sounds of any guitar. What is not talked about as much in the video is the larger 335 is a lighter guitar and the access to the higher frets is easier than the Les Paul which can be clubby above the 15 fret.
You actually get a bit of the body in the sound with the ES guitars. Especially when they are in front of a cranked amp. They are special guitars that need someone that knows how to use them to reach the guitar god heaven tone. Les Paul wanted a guitar to electrically reproduce the cleanest possible sound from the strings. Gibson didn’t make the perfect guitar, but all of the things they got right are legendary. Modern music wouldn’t be the same without the sound of a two humbucker Les Paul into a cranked amp. Be it a 100 watt Marshall or 80 watt Fender Twin, it’s magical at ear bleeding volumes. Beautiful job guys and gal, thanks for doing these videos.
When Mick said "US Election day today, too." I immediately thought of the episode four years ago, day after the election when Mick quipped "Nothing important or weird happened in America yesterday did it?" (or something to that effect) Four years has flown by. Grateful for everything I've learned from you guys and all the entertainment I've had during the duration.
Would you feel that way no matter what you’re using the guitar for? I ask because, for my taste, my choice would depend on what I was playing. If I was playing straight up blues lead guitar, or jazz, or even just clean open chord rhythm stuff, I would go with the 335. But if I were playing ‘70s hard rock in the vein of Zeppelin or AC/DC, with a lot of heavier power chords and/or riffage, I would choose the Les Paul without hesitation. (I would actually want an SG over both the other two because I prefer the inherently brighter tone of the SG). But I’m curious to know if you would just choose the 335 for any and all situations, or if you might pick differently depending on what you were playing.
I always loved how Terry Bickers of the House of love played his 335, although his is a CMI copy. He never went near the blues on his. A very underrated guitarist.
Around 32 minutes ( the mid gain section), is the best, most simple, obvious demonstration of exactly the main difference I always experienced between 335s and LPs. Both sound superb, but there is a slightly different feel (attack?) to the sound of the two guitars with those mid gain tones.
Since the Strat Tele show, I seriously prayed this was on the docket!!! I’ve been contemplating one over the other for quite some time now. I will absolutely end up with both, but this helps narrow down which comes first. Thanks for the help? Haha!! Excellent stuff fellas!!
I could not make one string on my Les Paul long enough during intonation, so I reversed the piece that the intonation screw goes into to be able to lengthen the string. It worked!
Both are iconic and great sounding guitars. Robben Ford and Larry Carlton helped me to fall in love with the sound of 335s in the 70s. Such a versatile guitar.
I’ve loved Les Pauls since I was 13 and had a bunch over the years. Pretty much 10-11 years ago finally bought a 335 and it’s just become the one guitar I’ll never sell. Had Les Pauls again since and I want to love them but I haven’t found the one. These comparisons are fantastic! And totally reconfirm why the 335 is the one for me even though the LP sounds great too. Thanks for a great video.
I’ve had the same experience. Started with a Les Pauk Studio, then a Traditional, then a Custom Shop ‘57 historic. Each had something that bothered me despite the Custom Shop being essentially perfect.
This is _so_ handy for me. I've always been a Fender player too. I have had a Dot for years, but only this week picked up an LP (copy - my first LP) this week! Fantastic see the comparisons A/B'd like this - and the volume roll-off hints too! 🙂
Are ya’ll familiar with the band my morning jacket? They have have some of the best dueling LP v 335 tones of the modern era on a fair number of their songs.
I am a dyed in the wool Les Paul guy. I currently have 4 of them (and have had many more over the years). But dang... there is something special about an ES-335. Those airy, hollow mids that many LP players (myself included) look for in a good LP are just built into the DNA of pretty much every 335! Ugh! LOL! The sheer body size of the 335 has always been a hang up for me, but I am slowly becoming enamored with that as well of late. And I am more and more becoming a huge fan of 335s! Edit: Oh yeah, and let’s not even get started about the 335’s awesome sustain on demand. Haha!
Turning down the volume to get more dynamic is a great trick! I achieved a similar thing with my Les Paul by dropping the pickups a quarter of a centimeter or so. I found it lets the guitar breathe a bit more, and makes it a little easier to handle for this native tele player.
I've found on my 335 that the notes bloom more when caressed as opposed to knocking the crap out of the note on the Fenders. It's an amazing thing when you realize how to "caress" the notes out of the Gibson's.
Had great luck today. I'm in hospital for the next 7 weeks. No WiFi here 😢 but... Today i got a SMS from my mobile provider, thanking me for the last 10 year of beeing a customer and the best: They gifted me 15Gb of mobile internet data volume 😁😁😁 So i had the chance to watch my favorite TPS show. Thank you boyz... nice episode. Stay safe and healthy. Best wishes to all here from Bavaria Germany 🇩🇪
I'm a single coil Fender player and have been for many years. If I was to get a humbucker guitar no doubt it would be a 335! And may I add I cannot wait for you guys to make a vid with Mr. Bukovac! Thanks guys!
Loved this, thanks. Clapton went LP-335-Strat, so that’s interesting. The playing went *almost* Kossoff and my ears went ‘please play those riffs’, I admit. Cheers from sunny Brisbane.
Since Fender went sideways with me, I have really rediscovered how great Gibson guitars are lately. I haven't pulled out my Strat for a long time. I noticed quit a bit of dust on the case. I get to play for people soon, and am looking forwards to keeping my Fender stuff in dust and playing Vox and Gibson in a live situation. Should be fun and refreshing. Great stuff gentlemen, very though provoking and fun to watch your amazing playing and understanding of gear.
Likewise...almost. I’m on the cusp of going for a Heritage H535 that has come up for sale. I like my LP (2005 Standard Plus with Fralin moderns and 50s wiring) but my SG (2003 Special Faded with Lollar single coils for humbuckers) totally kills it.
Two cool guitars. Your analysis of the differences in tone between the two was spot on in my opinion. I would define the overall difference as being that the 335 sounds more organic, while the Les Paul sounds more electronic. The impression I get is that the 335 sounds more like you're hearing the instrument, while the Paul sounds more like you're hearing the amplifier and pedals.
"If you're a 335 or a Les Paul player you know all this already" - I definitely didn't! Treated myself to a 339 in lockdown after a lifetime of bass playing, and the tinkering with the tone / volume pots was a real nice surprise! I love when you guys reveal these little hidden gems, keep them coming even if you think we already know!
You guys are SPOT ON about the habits of Fender players vs Gibson players. I have one more thing to add- you guys should've tried knocking the tone pots back, too, along with the volume pots (assuming your guitars are wired '50's style)- with PAF-style pickups, it gives you even more dynamic range, and gets you into near single-coil territory. Fender players almost NEVER mess with their tone pots, but with a '50's wired PAF, it's a must try.
I got some of that attack back in my 335 with the Lollar Low Wind. But my 335 is fairly unique in terms of near bottomless dynamics. I played one of the first 100 Mr 335 and it definitely did not like being hit hard. You really needed to play it lightly and then all that glorious sound was there. 335s are the most variable guitars I've ever seen. Have had 5 of them, all radically different.
Gentlemen, Where was this video twenty years ago when I got my first Les Paul!?!? The experiments with the tone knobs were so instructive. I’ve been trying to get all of those tones with pedals and I now have a lifetime of knob-turning experimentation ahead of me. Thank you! PS - Warren Haynes called and he wants his tone secrets back! 🤘😊👍
I always describe the 335 sound as having 'bounce'. It's just got reactive life where the LP has immediate clarity which - in comparison with the 335 - makes it sound positively like a Strat. Then there are the folks who will say that James Hetfield uses a LP and sounds metal, without realising that his sound is in a large part down to the EMG actives and a shed full of redonkulous amps. Personally, I just can't get enough of the 335. Dave Grohl is an obvious modern advocate and a reference tone I always use when trying to dial my ancient Chinese knock-off in. Great work lads and girl. Thanks.
Love them Both . I do hold to the thing of tele players like Les Pauls , and strat guys like 335's . I have lived it both ways ....For 8 years I played a Tele and nothing else ,somebody handed me an LP after breaking a string , it felt like home . fast forward , I now have been playing strat for the last 3 years , Borrowed a 335 and you guessed it feels like home . Answer: As soon as $$ allows ya need all 4 .
Regarding intonation issues, *especially* if you’re a Fender person, a major difference not discussed here is the fretboard radius. If you’re used to 9.5” and move to a flatter radius, you have to adjust your touch and reshape your hand to retain tuning stability. Thicker strings also help Gibsons stay in tune (given that shorter scale length).
@Marc...and you also needed to provide your remark here. Thanks Marc for providing us with such substance & insight. 🎸🎸🎸 And good to hear there are still people who don't fast forward, but listen to the full video as it was intended. 😎
The accuracy of the neck joint has always been the weakness in Gibson’s construction. On some it shows more in the neck angle which can vary wildly, so you see bigly differences in the height of the bridge on otherwise identical guitars. On another guitar it’ll show as intonation problems because the frets are a fraction of a millimetre out. When they get it right though... sublime. I wish I’d bought my mate’s mid 80’s built ‘59 reissue when I had the chance. Another one that got away :(
I can’t say I’m a huge fan of any Gibson guitars, in general, even though my first electric was a Matsumoku Epiphone Emperor F, but when I heard Kris Barocis’s ES-330L (?) with the parallel wired pickups and no center block, I immediately wanted one.
Thanks for making me notice it, now I can't look away. Actually kinda makes more sense than the LP, if you want to mess with it and the knobs at the same time
@@josephlopez5681 players going from a Les Paul to a strat often complain about the switch position, because they can hit it accidentally. But the 335 one looks like it's tucked away nicely.
Mick and Dan, Thank you guys for this video. You guys are like two scientists talking shop regarding guitars. You guys are so experienced and are actually sharing your life's experiences with us. Enjoyed listening and watching you. Thank You again. Love from Mumbai, India.
I always wonder how much thought went into the gear selection for what we now consider classic tones and how much the tone was “chased” versus them just being created on the only gear the players had, or what they were favouring at the time. e.g. the blues/ fusion tone talked about in the video, did Carlton select the 335 chasing a specific tone for the new style, or did the tone occur because he happened to prefer playing 335’s (not called Mr 335 for nothing!) and he found a sound he liked on the gear he had. So many of us spend a lot of time and money chasing “holy grail” tones that may have originally just been happenstance from the gear the player had and could have been quite different had they made alternative gear choices. Probably not a great thought for a comment on a gear channel 😀
Just got a 335 style. Been struggling with eq and dynamics (as a SC player). This helped so much. I feel like I’m starting to understand now. You chaps are the best! Cheers
Just wanted to say THANKS GUYS!! My wife bought me a Free The Tone digital delay for my birthday this week. I told her to watch any of your videos to know what’s good and what’s... not as good? Love the pedal!
I so want an ES-335. The Les Paul never held much appeal to me, although I do have a Special. Some would disagree but a Special isn't really a Les Paul in my mind.
Yes!! The vol knob on Gibsons to control the attack and gain! Also similar with the tone controls... back it down to 6 or 7 and turn the treble up a little on the amp. Very good for tweaking the attack and having more control over the amp from the guitar. Soooo much blending can be done on a Gibson to find all the different shades which translates to mood and emotion.... great show guys 😎
Can i just say WOW and Oh my giddy aunt!. As someone who relies on the ipad with headphones for my TPS fix, today i got to watch on the big screen at home with sound system. I finally understand why you get so many comments on the video quality. The winner today was the visual splendiferousness that is 4K... how do i go back to watching on ipad now... congrats to all on that setup. I literally was not prepared for how gorgeous the top on Dan’s LP is - my word that is stunning. Mick you know we love that 335, it really suits you and brings out another side of your playing beautifully. Now as to the (totally unbiased ;-) verdict there are 2 correct answers to todays ‘question’ a. BOTH or b. 335. I am gassing madly for a proper LP at the moment, but if i could only have one... well i’ve already got it. *VCQ Question - 1. Discuss the ergonomics of both, my view; LP smaller body ‘might’ be comfortable for some, but the 335 wins for upper fret reachability every time, but i love the position of the 3 way selector on the LP etc. 2. 50’s wiring vs standard - thoughts on both (i’ve 50s wiring on an epi LP and currently standard on my 335) my Christmas holiday project is putting in a new set of VIP pots with 50’s wiring into my 335 - not looking forward to doing it, but am looking forward to hearing it If you got this far thanks for reading. Just an awesome episode. cheers Lads.
That’s crazy, you must do something different, every Gibson I’ve got pretty much stays out of tune… it seems to go better with completely dead strings though… I’ve had pretty much all my friends bring there LPs to me to see if I can do something with there’s… new bone nuts and keeping the board level helps some… but any humidity change or bending and she’s gone lol… I only tune my fenders when they get new strings though…
@@robertw1871 Ha ha same, love my Les Paul but if you look at it wrong, it goes out of tune. My Strat and P bass can be in the case for months and right in tune when I pull them out.
It confirms that I absolutely love hearing people playing those guitars, but I'm not as connected to the instrument as I am with my strat...to the point that tone seems way less important than feel. Great video btw !!!
Nothing beats the feeling of standing before a hard driven tube amp upon a full stack, hitting the strings on an ES-335 and feeling the air, coming out of the upper f-hole, slamming against your arm.
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To me, this channel is “That Tone Show.” I love it when you guys venture beyond pedals.
Yes yes yes.
One of the saving graces of today's CZcams
@@FuzzyDancingBear my entire feed is nothing 5150 iconic and prs se silver sky. This is nice
They seem to have really good knowledge of how to use the amp and guitar and not just rely on pedals.
Es335 style is more comfortable sitting.
Here’s what I find in these “shootouts” and when I do them with my own gear and with friends. It basically comes down to what you’re comparing it to and eventually it becomes swings and roundabouts. If you have two guitars that are tonally similar like these two then generally the guitar with a little more higher end appears better. That’s why they call ES’s “burst killers”. But if you then take that 335 and compare it with an SG, the SG is the shoutier guitar and appears to win out. Compare the SG with a V and the same thing happens. Now come full circle and compare the V with the Les Paul and they’re not tonally similar enough that all of the sudden the V starts sounding a bit like a tin can next to the Les Paul. If they’re tonally close the brighter guitar wins, if it’s not close the warmer guitar wins. My .02
Let’s try and get through this without it ending in me browsing reverb and wishing I was wealthier
Fat chance, eh?
Not a chance.
If you looked at my Reverb browsing history it'd have Friday afternoon written all over it!
I know… I just bought a lefty 335 style Eastman… nice, but Not quite the same thing as a 335 but less than half of the cost… I really wish it were a 335
Too real
I love cranking my full hollow. The feedback is just another, fully controlable, feature of the guitar. I'm the knob.
YES!
You *are* a knob
Plus feeling the air move through the sound holes 😍
@@JasonClute that too 👍
@@cannibalsausage5767 I did say.
Love the fact that you guys (primarily) play classic guitars (Teles, Strats, LPs, 335s) and tube amps. Don't ever change! :-)
Mick: "Catherine is womaning the cameras" Catherine: "ooh yeah!"
That made me laugh too. However, for a little while at the start, I got the impression Mick seemed a bit self-conscious in front of the camera? Maybe having ‘the boss’ there had this effect, but I did wonder what Mick was thinking when he said they ‘needed’ to acquire a Gibson SG for their collection in front of Catherine. Then again, maybe that’s just because I can imagine getting ‘that look’ from my Mrs if she heard me saying I was thinking of buying another guitar!
Cute dog
@@stephendixon8575 I think it was the stress of lockdown slamming down the next day
Equally wonderful sounding guitars, but noticeably different tonal qualities. As a Fender single coil guy, I gravitate toward the 335 over the LP because it does tend to have a more open harmonic sound. As Clapton (and many others) proved, however, you can sound equally amazing on a Tele, Strat, 335, or LP if you have the skills to adapt to the playing characteristics of each guitar. And I've proved you can sound equally bad on all four. 🤪
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Here’s the thing: My dad ran a store, and received new guitars every week. Everything sounded warmer and rounder in his hands than in mine. The difference was greater than 335 VS Les Paul. So much so, that I had to go to the amp to match his tones. Chasing the right guitar will just lead you round in circles. Try chasing the right tone instead, and let that lead you to the guitar that fits your playing.
I bought a Tele a few months ago, passed it around among myself & 5 friends, and it made 4-5 pretty different sounds. Pickups and speaker and EQ certainly shape the tone, but the player is the same from instrument to instrument
I’m playing a squire standard. Solid axe but nothing fancy. I’ve always wanted something more fancy like an American made fender.
One day my teacher borrowed it and I realised just how much of the potential in the guitar i wasn’t reaching.
Players really affect the sound immensely!
I think you guys are missing the point. Most are here to see if there is a tonal difference
I'm so tired of guitar players parroting this nonsense as if it's fact. It's this 'iTs aLL iN YoUr fiNGeRs' that's been passed around as gospel for decades and I'm sorry to tell you but guitars and gear do/does make a difference tonally.
You can absolutely chase tones AND get them. I've been doing it since the mid-90s. As a teen, I heard Clapton, Hendrix and Page all playing through Marshalls and chased that tone for years until I found out that it wasn't in anyone's fingers, it was in getting a 1967 Superlead and realizing that the newer ones sound nothing like the old ones. The second I turned that amp up, I knew right then and there that the right amp was EXACTLY what I was looking for.
And for guitars, I've always loved Gibsons but never found any new ones that I cared for. Then I found a beat to hell '67 335 that was FINALLY the tone I was looking for - still literally nothing to do with my playing or fingers.
Les Paul (or classic recordings of them) had always been my favorite guitar tone but again, none of the new ones sounded like what I wanted. Of course every hack and music store clerk parroted the gospel of 'it's in your fingers' nonsense but when I was finally able to afford a converted (50s P-90 LP routed for humbuckers) THAT WAS IT - I had finally found a Les Paul that sounded like the old recordings I'd always loved.
So no, kids, it's not in your fingers, it's the gear. Don't give up, you'll eventually find a guitar that works for you, tonally - and it doesn't have to be a $20,000 guitar; my '67 335 cost me far less than a new Custom Shop costs.
@@WetOldeThere's literally **zero** difference tonally between a Squire and an American made Fender. It is the same wood, same electronics and same pickups (unless we're talking Custom Shop) - the only difference is going to be fit and finish. The Squire might not feel as good or you'll have cosmetic issues, but tonally, they are the same thing.
around 13 minutes in, Mick switched to the middle position on a clean tone and i immediately thought "That's THE classic blues sound"
Mick: "a little bit more reverb"
Dan's face: "oh yeah, it's all coming together"
Thoughts on this episode as I watch:
1. 335's clean sounds have more space in 'em. Like , not that there's reverb to the sound but there's definitely less punch to your ears and more "sweep" to them. The 335 steps forward but the LP is right in there (to its possible detriment).
2. As a producer you'd be well minded to know when to point to a 335 or a LP for a part.
3. With the 335 in everything up to mid gain... you can be more relaxed about how you approach the strings. Its airier so you have space to "choose" when to dig in. With the LP Dan is having to work harder to be more sensitive. Even a slight lick of adrenaline could push it too far. I think the LP teaches the guitarist a different lesson about themselves; how to tread lightly.
4. The 335 invites you to dig in a bit to get the dynamics but the LP laughs at you: Dig as hard as you like and it'll take it.
5. Once it starts getting gainier you have to work harder with the 335 to keep it up. You can live in the world of gain with the LP
6. In a mix, with more gain, the 335 will sit back and fill in a great pad or rhythmic cushion that he song can sit on...the LP drives harder though. It is so much more aggressive that it barks orders at the music. The 335 is a competent supporting team player, the LP is a boss.
7. I never play humbuckers on 10 either... didn't analyse why (specifically) 'til now. Coil splits go up near 10 (where available) but HBs stay down about 8. Tone pots too seldom see 10 on my LP. There's so much in those pots... the sweet spot is always back a bit 'til it starts to go "goo!"
8. There's a world of gain beyond what you've demonstrated here.... I don't know about the 335 but the LP (with its compression characteristics) is totally available to people in that world.
9. Roll the pots back and spend more time finding the edge with different gain structures on your double humbucker guitars. I think there's a word of possibilities for you boys there and I for one would be delighted to see you find your way through it.
10. You two should fly by the seat of your pants more often.
Catherine(Katherine) thank you for womaning, and for all you do in support of this addiction we deal with.
Thanks Denis, I’ll pass that on. (The K is correct). We literally could not do it without her. :0)
Great team. Sorry for the “C”. Wasn’t certain. My Friday mornings are for only one thing. Coffee and TPS!
As a pro sax player infiltrating the guitar world, I am compelled to say the following: I learn so very much from you guys and I really dig this channel. Enjoy hearing each of you play too. I own a 335 and a Les Paul and this video reiterated - quite enjoyably, I might add - what I've gleaned from my own pursuit, which is that there is much that is alike in the performance of each of these classics but so much, nuance in particular, that is unique to each that one should own at least one of each in a complete collection. Please help me explain this to my wife...
It’s not quite as close of a comparison but I’d love to see a Gretsch vs es-335/330
That would be cool!
@@ThatPedalShow yes this! Country Gentleman or a Falcon!!
Agreed!!
Agreed, I've often had that debate with myself when considering what sort of semi-hollow body to add to the arsenal.
I know it's not quite the same thing, but I have a Epiphone Sheraton II Pro and a Gretsch 5420T and I'm really loving the feel of my Sheraton. The tone is very different compared to the 5420T. I love both of them. So my answer is get both and don't compare. They bring different things out of your playing. P.S. My Ibanez Artist acts as my Les Paul, but needless to say, it's not a Les Paul. It does have its own thing though. I definitely don't play it enough.
My fave position on an LP is the middle, which gets left out of a lot of YT videos. And I don’t mean the out-of-phase tone; just a normal middle position. Nice and open and airy - more like a 335 in fact.
Page used the middle position a lot! Hence why I use it a lot. Amazing sound.
The middle, yes! I'm with you. A little overdrive in the neck position is very nice and heavy also.
Funny you say this cause I normally either play bridge or neck, but I store my LP with the switch in the middle position. Every time I plug in the guitar, the first few notes are usually in the middle position. And I always have to think, "That sounds sweet." I have to do it more often.
middle position with two P90s is heavenly.
As the owner of two Les Paul’s... get yourself a strat. Much better guitar for that type of tone. And get a Tele for good measure. And a jazzmaster. And basically anything Fender make.
The thing I love about the Gibson layout is rhythm on neck rolled back a touch and flick the pup switch to bridge for full-on lead. With an amp just at it’s pretty-break up. Perfect.
Mick's playing around 13 minutes in is the same reason I love my 335. Also, an interesting aside, lots of my favorite older jazz/blues records like Grant Green, Kenny Burrell, Wes, they were using tweeds and/or pushed tube amps with their Gibby hollows. I think those are pinnacle tones even though Jazz started getting into that sterile clean territory later on, those early records have amazing tones. Grant Green especially with the 330 (p90s I know) yet its still that thing, never gets old for me. Now you have Julian Lage playing through tweeds and pushed fenders and its a refreshing move back to those rootsy sounds
especially in that middle position! As a drummer, I find playing with guys on 335s so much more comfortable. I spent a lot of years in an electric blues band where both guitarists played 335s as their main axes (one through a Matchless and one throug a Mesa Blue Angel!) and it was glorious. (though I think my ideal would be one with a 335 and one on something with P90s)
This really shows the tones that can come from just one guitar. More people need to learn to play their guitar , pedals ares the icing on the cake. Great show guys , as much as is good on 10. Some times is nice to take the back seat and dime it down and enjoy the ride !!
335 for me, every time. That hollow body gives it much more twang than the Les Paul, and when overdriven it is absolutely THE guitar tone of rock n' roll.
It’s as is you fellas stepped into my head and said “let’s do an episode just for this guy!” These are two of my favourite guitars and I own both... and both are equally loved ! Thanks for the episode fellas 🤘🏽
I feel like the Lester’s clean tone is slightly under-appreciated, because a lot of players typically think rock and roll sounds when they reach for a Les Paul. I’ve gotten some great ambient tones out of a LP for the kind of music I play.
the guy from Caspian plays a les paul and he got an amazing tone everytime
Agree 100%. I love the '59 reissue pups on my '14 LP Traditional, and like my Strats, play most material on the neck only pickup engaged. The clean tone is sooooo sweet on that...just a touch of reverb and the tone is perfect.
think of the most etherial band of all time: Sigur Ros. he used a Les Paul on those classic albums
Love the off the cuff episodes, the energy of you two just having fun playing is uplifting. Keep having fun gents!
I am lucky enough to own two guitars similar to each of these; the Les Paul was a 60th birthday present last summer, the the 335 I have owned for thirty years but just returned from a 20 year loan spell to my nephew last week! Your show has inspired me, again, this time, to look for what each of these iconic instruments can do and where to fit them into my reemerging repertoire. Great show lads, keep them coming!
Don't even need to watch this...335.
Don't worry guys! I'm still gonna watch it.
Great show, as ever! You absolutely hit the nail on the head at 37:45, talking about the difference in dynamic range/intrinsic compression between 25.5 and 24.75 inch scale length guitars. LPs really shine when you let them breathe by not attacking the strings quite as hard.
Until seeing this video I could not tell the difference between the sound of those two guitars after adding some gain! Clean sounds I could tell them apart, but overdriven or distorted sounds, I could not! At all! You guys opened my eyes! Thank you!
So what you're telling me is ... I need both in my life ... sounds reasonable enough to me, I'll go let the wife know ... if you don't hear from me again, I'm dead.
It's fascinating how "midrange" is defined by guitars, by amps, by pedals - it's such a wide waveband and can mean so many things. A Les Paul into a Marshall will "have a lot of mids," in the sense that a classic Marshall's Mid control really brings out the grunt and crunch of an LP - but when I plug my PRS Hollowbody into one of my Mesa/Boogies, the lower-pitched and wider midrange of the Mesa is RIGHT where that hollow PRS starts singing. On certain versions of the Rectifier, in fact, the right combination of Gain and Treble can get you very much the same frequency band that's "Mid" on a Marshall. And as Mick well knows, a Tube Screamer fits right into the "mids" of a black-panel Fender, but the mids in a tweed Bassman are nowhere near that rounded and polite. Endlessly fascinating to me, the way "midrange" defines so much about tone but is, in itself, a moving target.
I’ve always been a big fender guy, but in September I bought an SG. I replaced the pick ups with low output Seymour duncans, and it is now my number one.
Yes! We MUST get a humbucker SG.
I love my 61 reissue SG
Me too! Been a Tele and Strat guy for years. Then bought an SG and a DC and I play those two almost exclusively live. The Fenders stay at home
Angus Young has low output pickups as well. 7800 and 8100 I think from Seymour Duncan. Or he did the last time
I checked.
@@Fr3ddyUK yeah I use a SD jazz neck with an aged alnico 5 magnet and a SD jazz bridge (not the jb) with an aged alnico 2 magnet. The alnico 2 mag in the bridge helps to smooth the mids some. The jazz bridge is a criminally underrated bridge pickup. NGL
I love the chemistry between Dan and Mick. There's no apprehension about touching each other's knobs.
I’m sure they have no apprehension about touching each other!
And even with a semi.
No homo
I am blessed to have both guitars myself. For clean, I much prefer the woody and open tone of the 335. For hard rocking, the tighter sound of the Les Paul. They both sound great with mild distortion, and for blues, they both sound great with the Les Paul having more grit due to the pickup selection. But check out Freddie King and Clapton with the 335 and you will hear how great it sounds. Larry Carlton is the king on the 335, and for his mild breakup, the 335 can sound amazing. I play mine through a Boogie Mark VII and its one of the best sounds of any guitar. What is not talked about as much in the video is the larger 335 is a lighter guitar and the access to the higher frets is easier than the Les Paul which can be clubby above the 15 fret.
In the fuzz section, you can hear the "hollowness" that the 335 gives so much more. Interesting.
And the Lord said to Abraham "Give me a tele, a 335, a Marshall Plexi, and a Memory Man and I shall rule the world".
It's spelt Metalzone bruh
@@AtomMotherHeart lol. DS1 forever
And the Lord said: "Bruh I'm a Sabbath fan so you'll get an SG, a treble booster and a Laney AND THOU SHALL LIKE IT!"
Maybe, but he told me “Give me a Les Paul and a Hiwatt, and all the lands before you shall be yours.”
The lord said to me, "you're getting an Epiphone Dot and a used Hot Rod Deluxe because you're broke, son."
Man I'd love to see this revisited with an SG. Lovely playing and tones gents.
You actually get a bit of the body in the sound with the ES guitars. Especially when they are in front of a cranked amp. They are special guitars that need someone that knows how to use them to reach the guitar god heaven tone.
Les Paul wanted a guitar to electrically reproduce the cleanest possible sound from the strings. Gibson didn’t make the perfect guitar, but all of the things they got right are legendary. Modern music wouldn’t be the same without the sound of a two humbucker Les Paul into a cranked amp. Be it a 100 watt Marshall or 80 watt Fender Twin, it’s magical at ear bleeding volumes.
Beautiful job guys and gal, thanks for doing these videos.
When Mick said "US Election day today, too." I immediately thought of the episode four years ago, day after the election when Mick quipped "Nothing important or weird happened in America yesterday did it?" (or something to that effect) Four years has flown by. Grateful for everything I've learned from you guys and all the entertainment I've had during the duration.
Both sounded good, but I prefer the 335 by miles. I think it's just have a better tone, and I prefer the looks of it.
@@vandal_dk Thas sexist! You sexist! ;)
How many miles exactly?
@@justsomeguy7650 a fuck ton
Would you feel that way no matter what you’re using the guitar for? I ask because, for my taste, my choice would depend on what I was playing. If I was playing straight up blues lead guitar, or jazz, or even just clean open chord rhythm stuff, I would go with the 335. But if I were playing ‘70s hard rock in the vein of Zeppelin or AC/DC, with a lot of heavier power chords and/or riffage, I would choose the Les Paul without hesitation. (I would actually want an SG over both the other two because I prefer the inherently brighter tone of the SG). But I’m curious to know if you would just choose the 335 for any and all situations, or if you might pick differently depending on what you were playing.
Idk man. Get yourself an R7 smoke a doob and think about it. I love my 335 but a good Lester will set you free. Play on, play on.
I always loved how Terry Bickers of the House of love played his 335, although his is a CMI copy. He never went near the blues on his. A very underrated guitarist.
Couldn't agree more. Fantastic tone and feel.
Around 32 minutes ( the mid gain section), is the best, most simple, obvious demonstration of exactly the main difference I always experienced between 335s and LPs. Both sound superb, but there is a slightly different feel (attack?) to the sound of the two guitars with those mid gain tones.
Room 335, Larry Carlton....Everything you ever need to know about how amazing a 335 can sound!
Les Paul more of a "thwack" 335 more of a "thwunk" both awesome
I like that a lot. Nice!
I'd say 335 more of a Thwap!!!!
Since the Strat Tele show, I seriously prayed this was on the docket!!! I’ve been contemplating one over the other for quite some time now.
I will absolutely end up with both, but this helps narrow down which comes first. Thanks for the help? Haha!! Excellent stuff fellas!!
I could not make one string on my Les Paul long enough during intonation, so I reversed the piece that the intonation screw goes into to be able to lengthen the string. It worked!
Both are iconic and great sounding guitars. Robben Ford and Larry Carlton helped me to fall in love with the sound of 335s in the 70s. Such a versatile guitar.
If I could only have one...335. I'd rob it from Ford.
So you robbed Ford?
@@abubakr6939 -LOL, fat fingers did me in again. I will say if there's anyone whose playing I've tried to steal from its Robben Ford.
@@mattgilbert7347 - LOL, me too, his 335 back in the day was a beauty (I fixed my spelling error too).
Amazing theme, guys! I’ve wanted to see this battle for ages! Cheers!
I’ve loved Les Pauls since I was 13 and had a bunch over the years. Pretty much 10-11 years ago finally bought a 335 and it’s just become the one guitar I’ll never sell. Had Les Pauls again since and I want to love them but I haven’t found the one.
These comparisons are fantastic! And totally reconfirm why the 335 is the one for me even though the LP sounds great too.
Thanks for a great video.
I’ve had the same experience. Started with a Les Pauk Studio, then a Traditional, then a Custom Shop ‘57 historic. Each had something that bothered me despite the Custom Shop being essentially perfect.
Love both of those guitars. Anyone else think that the 335 sounds a bit like an analog pedal repeat of the Les Paul...
Ooooooh, that’s cool.
A bit of a harsh analogy though, coming from someone who owns several of both
This is _so_ handy for me. I've always been a Fender player too. I have had a Dot for years, but only this week picked up an LP (copy - my first LP) this week! Fantastic see the comparisons A/B'd like this - and the volume roll-off hints too! 🙂
Finally got to watching this one. As described , the LP is playing the notes and the 335 saying them.
Oh that’s nice!
Are ya’ll familiar with the band my morning jacket? They have have some of the best dueling LP v 335 tones of the modern era on a fair number of their songs.
I am a dyed in the wool Les Paul guy. I currently have 4 of them (and have had many more over the years). But dang... there is something special about an ES-335. Those airy, hollow mids that many LP players (myself included) look for in a good LP are just built into the DNA of pretty much every 335! Ugh! LOL!
The sheer body size of the 335 has always been a hang up for me, but I am slowly becoming enamored with that as well of late. And I am more and more becoming a huge fan of 335s!
Edit: Oh yeah, and let’s not even get started about the 335’s awesome sustain on demand. Haha!
Turning down the volume to get more dynamic is a great trick! I achieved a similar thing with my Les Paul by dropping the pickups a quarter of a centimeter or so. I found it lets the guitar breathe a bit more, and makes it a little easier to handle for this native tele player.
I've found on my 335 that the notes bloom more when caressed as opposed to knocking the crap out of the note on the Fenders. It's an amazing thing when you realize how to "caress" the notes out of the Gibson's.
335 is the thinking man's gibbo! 😊
Had great luck today. I'm in hospital for the next 7 weeks. No WiFi here 😢 but... Today i got a SMS from my mobile provider, thanking me for the last 10 year of beeing a customer and the best:
They gifted me 15Gb of mobile internet data volume 😁😁😁
So i had the chance to watch my favorite TPS show.
Thank you boyz... nice episode.
Stay safe and healthy.
Best wishes to all here from Bavaria Germany 🇩🇪
All the best with your treatment!
I'm a single coil Fender player and have been for many years. If I was to get a humbucker guitar no doubt it would be a 335! And may I add I cannot wait for you guys to make a vid with Mr. Bukovac! Thanks guys!
They sound almost exactly the same. Either way, I really love how you guys test out gear. It really does require two people when doing a comparison.
They FEEL different
Loved this, thanks. Clapton went LP-335-Strat, so that’s interesting. The playing went *almost* Kossoff and my ears went ‘please play those riffs’, I admit. Cheers from sunny Brisbane.
Since Fender went sideways with me, I have really rediscovered how great Gibson guitars are lately. I haven't pulled out my Strat for a long time. I noticed quit a bit of dust on the case. I get to play for people soon, and am looking forwards to keeping my Fender stuff in dust and playing Vox and Gibson in a live situation. Should be fun and refreshing. Great stuff gentlemen, very though provoking and fun to watch your amazing playing and understanding of gear.
Oh man, I can’t wait to watch this one later today!! Been thinking of selling my Les Paul to get a 335. Let’s see what my opinion is after this one!!!
Don’t
Only came to one conclusion....I need both. Maybe the Silver Sky can go lol
Likewise...almost. I’m on the cusp of going for a Heritage H535 that has come up for sale. I like my LP (2005 Standard Plus with Fralin moderns and 50s wiring) but my SG (2003 Special Faded with Lollar single coils for humbuckers) totally kills it.
Two cool guitars. Your analysis of the differences in tone between the two was spot on in my opinion. I would define the overall difference as being that the 335 sounds more organic, while the Les Paul sounds more electronic. The impression I get is that the 335 sounds more like you're hearing the instrument, while the Paul sounds more like you're hearing the amplifier and pedals.
Very interesting analysis. Makes perfect sense!
"If you're a 335 or a Les Paul player you know all this already" - I definitely didn't! Treated myself to a 339 in lockdown after a lifetime of bass playing, and the tinkering with the tone / volume pots was a real nice surprise! I love when you guys reveal these little hidden gems, keep them coming even if you think we already know!
That’s fantastic to hear Rik, thank you!
You guys are SPOT ON about the habits of Fender players vs Gibson players.
I have one more thing to add- you guys should've tried knocking the tone pots back, too, along with the volume pots (assuming your guitars are wired '50's style)- with PAF-style pickups, it gives you even more dynamic range, and gets you into near single-coil territory. Fender players almost NEVER mess with their tone pots, but with a '50's wired PAF, it's a must try.
I got some of that attack back in my 335 with the Lollar Low Wind. But my 335 is fairly unique in terms of near bottomless dynamics. I played one of the first 100 Mr 335 and it definitely did not like being hit hard. You really needed to play it lightly and then all that glorious sound was there. 335s are the most variable guitars I've ever seen. Have had 5 of them, all radically different.
Same with Lesters. Only the shape is the same!
With two totally different bodies I’ve hoped that the difference soundwise would be a little bit bigger.
Gentlemen, Where was this video twenty years ago when I got my first Les Paul!?!? The experiments with the tone knobs were so instructive. I’ve been trying to get all of those tones with pedals and I now have a lifetime of knob-turning experimentation ahead of me. Thank you!
PS - Warren Haynes called and he wants his tone secrets back! 🤘😊👍
I always describe the 335 sound as having 'bounce'. It's just got reactive life where the LP has immediate clarity which - in comparison with the 335 - makes it sound positively like a Strat. Then there are the folks who will say that James Hetfield uses a LP and sounds metal, without realising that his sound is in a large part down to the EMG actives and a shed full of redonkulous amps. Personally, I just can't get enough of the 335. Dave Grohl is an obvious modern advocate and a reference tone I always use when trying to dial my ancient Chinese knock-off in. Great work lads and girl. Thanks.
Im a strat guy myself. All my heros play them. But the 335 is beautiful and versatile.
Love them Both . I do hold to the thing of tele players like Les Pauls , and strat guys like 335's . I have lived it both ways ....For 8 years I played a Tele and nothing else ,somebody handed me an LP after breaking a string , it felt like home . fast forward , I now have been playing strat for the last 3 years , Borrowed a 335 and you guessed it feels like home . Answer: As soon as $$ allows ya need all 4 .
I came for the information; I stayed for Dan's sheer enjoyment of every note.
Shot on birthday. What a wonderful late present. Thank you so much. Im touched guys.
( Modern ) jazz players who played a Les Paul - Pat Martino , John Abercrombie , Philip Catherine , Michael Sagmeister ...
Get both. I have both. No regrets.
Regarding intonation issues, *especially* if you’re a Fender person, a major difference not discussed here is the fretboard radius. If you’re used to 9.5” and move to a flatter radius, you have to adjust your touch and reshape your hand to retain tuning stability. Thicker strings also help Gibsons stay in tune (given that shorter scale length).
Same for absolutely all aspects of guitar construction. I think fret shape is equally relevant
sooooooooooo a 55 Minute Video to say a 335 is better than a Les Paul? This is what I needed in my life...... thanks guys...
@Marc...and you also needed to provide your remark here.
Thanks Marc for providing us with such substance & insight. 🎸🎸🎸
And good to hear there are still people who don't fast forward, but listen to the full video as it was intended.
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Shampoo is better! I go on first and clean the hair!
Conditioner is better! I leave the hair silky and smooth!
You deserve a medal for this reference. Wasn’t expecting it hahaha.
Stop looking at me swan
I'm craving another LP in my life. The next one may just be a 335.
It's pretty simple: neck position and cleanish blues or jazz=335. Bridge pickup and rock or more=LP
I really appreciate that there are no ads in the middle of the video
We turned em off Eric. You Tube turned em all on and we had to go through every video and turn them off. Hopefully we got through every vid. Cheers!
@@ThatPedalShow That is excellent, thank you!
The accuracy of the neck joint has always been the weakness in Gibson’s construction. On some it shows more in the neck angle which can vary wildly, so you see bigly differences in the height of the bridge on otherwise identical guitars. On another guitar it’ll show as intonation problems because the frets are a fraction of a millimetre out. When they get it right though... sublime. I wish I’d bought my mate’s mid 80’s built ‘59 reissue when I had the chance. Another one that got away :(
I use to be a Les Paul fanatic, but now i'm searching for a good semi-hollow
Great counterintuitive tips about turning down the vol. on LP. Nice goof at the end of episode Dan. Keep killing it guys!
Some of the best tones you've gotten i think. Although I say that almost every video. Bless you two for keeping real guitar tone alive
I can’t say I’m a huge fan of any Gibson guitars, in general, even though my first electric was a Matsumoku Epiphone Emperor F, but when I heard Kris Barocis’s ES-330L (?) with the parallel wired pickups and no center block, I immediately wanted one.
Weirdly I don't think I've ever notice the pickup selector switch position on a 335 before today. Now I keep staring at it.
Thanks for making me notice it, now I can't look away. Actually kinda makes more sense than the LP, if you want to mess with it and the knobs at the same time
@@josephlopez5681 players going from a Les Paul to a strat often complain about the switch position, because they can hit it accidentally. But the 335 one looks like it's tucked away nicely.
Mick and Dan, Thank you guys for this video. You guys are like two scientists talking shop regarding guitars. You guys are so experienced and are actually sharing your life's experiences with us. Enjoyed listening and watching you. Thank You again. Love from Mumbai, India.
335 in Frontman mode, LP in Lead Guitar mode. Two bands, two roles, two guitars. Life is good.
I always wonder how much thought went into the gear selection for what we now consider classic tones and how much the tone was “chased” versus them just being created on the only gear the players had, or what they were favouring at the time. e.g. the blues/ fusion tone talked about in the video, did Carlton select the 335 chasing a specific tone for the new style, or did the tone occur because he happened to prefer playing 335’s (not called Mr 335 for nothing!) and he found a sound he liked on the gear he had. So many of us spend a lot of time and money chasing “holy grail” tones that may have originally just been happenstance from the gear the player had and could have been quite different had they made alternative gear choices. Probably not a great thought for a comment on a gear channel 😀
This! Same goes with creativity. I find it easier to be more creative with less than when I have more.
Quoting Yngwie: “More is more!” Get one of each!
Just got a 335 style. Been struggling with eq and dynamics (as a SC player). This helped so much. I feel like I’m starting to understand now. You chaps are the best! Cheers
Just wanted to say THANKS GUYS!! My wife bought me a Free The Tone digital delay for my birthday this week. I told her to watch any of your videos to know what’s good and what’s... not as good? Love the pedal!
Awesome!!
Funny how it stays double cut for Mick and single cut for Dan
I so want an ES-335. The Les Paul never held much appeal to me, although I do have a Special. Some would disagree but a Special isn't really a Les Paul in my mind.
Yes!! The vol knob on Gibsons to control the attack and gain! Also similar with the tone controls... back it down to 6 or 7 and turn the treble up a little on the amp. Very good for tweaking the attack and having more control over the amp from the guitar. Soooo much blending can be done on a Gibson to find all the different shades which translates to mood and emotion.... great show guys 😎
Can i just say WOW and Oh my giddy aunt!. As someone who relies on the ipad with headphones for my TPS fix, today i got to watch on the big screen at home with sound system. I finally understand why you get so many comments on the video quality. The winner today was the visual splendiferousness that is 4K... how do i go back to watching on ipad now... congrats to all on that setup.
I literally was not prepared for how gorgeous the top on Dan’s LP is - my word that is stunning. Mick you know we love that 335, it really suits you and brings out another side of your playing beautifully.
Now as to the (totally unbiased ;-) verdict there are 2 correct answers to todays ‘question’ a. BOTH or b. 335.
I am gassing madly for a proper LP at the moment, but if i could only have one... well i’ve already got it.
*VCQ Question - 1. Discuss the ergonomics of both, my view; LP smaller body ‘might’ be comfortable for some, but the 335 wins for upper fret reachability every time, but i love the position of the 3 way selector on the LP etc.
2. 50’s wiring vs standard - thoughts on both (i’ve 50s wiring on an epi LP and currently standard on my 335) my Christmas holiday project is putting in a new set of VIP pots with 50’s wiring into my 335 - not looking forward to doing it, but am looking forward to hearing it
If you got this far thanks for reading. Just an awesome episode. cheers Lads.
Thats weird. For me Gibsons have always stayed in tuned better and have always been easier to set up. Great video. Great playing.
That’s crazy, you must do something different, every Gibson I’ve got pretty much stays out of tune… it seems to go better with completely dead strings though… I’ve had pretty much all my friends bring there LPs to me to see if I can do something with there’s… new bone nuts and keeping the board level helps some… but any humidity change or bending and she’s gone lol… I only tune my fenders when they get new strings though…
@@robertw1871 Ha ha same, love my Les Paul but if you look at it wrong, it goes out of tune. My Strat and P bass can be in the case for months and right in tune when I pull them out.
I’ve got three LP’s and they stay in tune for hours, even overnight. My basement is 50% humidity all year. I find my one strat is more temperamental.
It confirms that I absolutely love hearing people playing those guitars, but I'm not as connected to the instrument as I am with my strat...to the point that tone seems way less important than feel. Great video btw !!!
Totally this. Completely agree
That was so interesting and answered a lot of questions. Great job great sounds and playing. All the best from Australia.
Nothing beats the feeling of standing before a hard driven tube amp upon a full stack, hitting the strings on an ES-335 and feeling the air, coming out of the upper f-hole, slamming against your arm.
The grain pattern on Dan's Les Paul is absolutely stunning. Ugh, drool...