New Rockets Launch, Old Rockets Retire &India's Mars Mission Ends - Deep Space Updates October 7th.
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- Another news roundup from the last couple of weeks, one rocket makes its successful debut and a couple of older rockets make final flights in specific configurations or locations.
India's Mars mission is lost after 8 years after running out of fuel.
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That Jack Beyer picture of the Falcon 9 against the Sun will be on next year's NASA Spaceflight calendar for sure!!
When he tweeted this I suggested he submit it to the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum's annual photo contest.
Thank you for the mention at the end! As an avid watcher it was an amazing surprise. Launch video will be out next week!
Really hope Scott sees this. Congrats
So, how do you pronounce your name?
“Daw-ger-dis” it’s a tough one I don’t blame him ;)
@@kdaugi , thank you. Internet says it's Lithuanian, so I guess the original pronunciation (not difficult) is dow-gheer-dahs or dow-ghir-dahs. This looks weird here only due to the features of the English language (derived from old German but with a pronunciation out of whack for some reason). If people knew and followed Latin pronunciation, it would not be difficult.
Congrats on your great "near Space" (at least by Virgin Galactic standards) achievement.
@@kdaugi Congrats! You're now a Virgin at space.
(ty Michael for the inspiration)
Hey Scott, firefly guy here, so there was some confusion on what the technical definition of a "successful" orbit. The 300km orbit was actually our maximum orbit, with our low side being closer to a 185km. We did end up around 200, but as it was within our expected limits, it was indeed a successful flight. We did however garner quite a good bit of data still currently under review but it has highlighted some areas for correction come flight 3
So it was successful along the same lines that the starship hops were successful?
@@julianemery718 still more successful than Blue Origin.
Awesome
@@brandonolson6111 Careful talking bad about the competition by name, such comments might come back to haunt you.
Achieving _any orbit_ on only your second attempt is a huge success in my view! Shiny~ 😸
(And the _first_ attempt went pretty well, IIRC. It wasn't perfect, of course, but a first flight could have gone a whole lot worse!)
My niece and I were out watching for Persied meteors last summer when she spotted something moving way too slowly to be a meteor. A few moments later she spotted another in the same spot. Then we saw another and I realized this was a string of Starlinks quite high on their journey to their operational orbits. Nothing like the pics you see of the whole string together, just one satellite after another appearing at intervals of about 30-45 seconds. This was months ago so the interval is hard to remember. Each disappeared near the apex, there was a high mist that night. One would disappear before the next came along. Fun to see them so far along on their journey.
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Just a couple weeks ago I saw one of those whole strings together like 45mins-1hr after sunset, it was amazing, but I had no camera on me that could manage to take a photo unfortunately. It was just a couple days after one of the launches.
@@albclean We watched 6-8 after she spotted them, but had to go inside and the haze was getting worse. It was a poor night for viewing but the only opportunity we had to watch together.
Here in Maine we saw about twenty to thirty in about a 8-10 seconds spacing. It had a really deep emotional impact for some reason. Really drove home how much humans are in control of this planet. Or…aren’t in control in so many ways.
One thing I do like about your content Scott is that you cover just about everything! From Billion $ programs to a one guy operation and I think that’s one thing that sets you apart from most CZcamsrs ! Good on Ya! Hope the flying thing is going just as well.
It would be really interesting to see a "what KSP doesn't teach you about decouplers". How is a rocket structurally supported alongside the decoupler mechanism? I see the truss structure that inserts in the engine bell of falcon 9's upper stage but how does it handle the tremendous force of the booster?
Radial and linear decouplers, as well as why fuel cross-feed is such a monumental problem when you have to decouple with engines running on one or both sides are all topics I'd love to see covered in such a video.
Also where is NASA’s auto-strut button? I haven’t been able to find it in the menus.
@@jasonlast7091 you need a mod for that outside of ksp
@@joshuacheung6518 Nah just make sure you're designing your struts in-house and you shouldn't need auto-struts. (if you don't do that, CRS-7 things happen).
You mean to tell me rocket parts don’t come with convenient magnetic nodes?
That picture of the Falcon in the sun needs to be a logo on every falcon from here on. Talk about a perfect space company logo.
I was in mission control during the crew-5 docking! I'm a relatively new hire so it was truly an amazing experience :)))
Starting on 2:25 you can see the static discharging to the static towers as SpaceX launches... Awesome \o/
Wow!
In a couple of tweets Jared Isaacman confirmed a Polaris mission to Hubble will dock to Hubble with a trunk mounted device. He also said the side hatch isn't suitable for opening in space, so that avoids that open question people would be speculating about endlessly. Thanks you for clear info, Jared!
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I had this idea of a “workshop” variant of cargo Dragon that would have an airlock and a passenger Dragon could dock to it.
@@steveschritz1823 That would probably be more of a "LEO variant of Dragon XL" type of thing, since Dragon XL has both a beefed up propulsion system and rearranged RCS to make it more suitable to be used as a resupply vessel for the Lunar Gateway.
A stripped down version of Dragon XL, with the pressurized cargo space turned into an airlock that a regular Dragon 2 would dock to (combined with an egress port for EVA suits), could make this a workable thing. Heck they could even bring up a small robotic arm for capturing and soft-docking to the things that they want to service or boost.
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@@wesnovak5336 I posted several comments and want to be able to find this one. They get buried if you make more than 2 main comments.
that falcon9+sun picture is absolutely stunning, what a shot
Love your channel. Thanks for sharing your obviously genuine enthusiasm.
0:20 The famous flamey ignition of Delta IV Heavy. Someone on the internet was having fun and put together a render of SLS with four Delta IV cores attached instead of SRBs. Can you imagine the amount of flame at ignition? !!!
Man-rated _if you're _*_man_*_ enough_ 🤣🤣
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Thanks again Scott for getting all of those space ducks in row for all us av/space geeks. You are greatly appreciated.
Man, if only the US and China manage to keep friendly they're going to have some very good competition in space. If they both keep sending out rovers, expeditions and space stations and not shoot at each other, we are in for an exciting several years.
Sadly, history has shown, that COMPETITION is the main driver for space funding.
Lets hope the argos satellite sends all of the Argos catalogue to outer space never to be seen in UK landfill ever again😀
Man I miss the argos catalogue
@@RealUlrichLeland yeah, they were great.
Ahh the laminated book of dreams...
It's very important to note the FCC requirement for deorbit is 5 years *after their operational life is over.*
I believe that rule also only applies to those LEO satellites/constellations that have requested authorization to communicate with ground stations within the United States.
Thank you for that! That was my assumption, but I've seen 2 or 3 people mention this as just "deorbit within 5 years" which isn't very clear...
I'm sure there's someone using that miscommunication to rant about the FCC being wasteful/forcing organisations to spend lots of money sending up new satellites every 5 years... 🙄
I just loved the videos of SLS "racing" back to VAB to avoid Ian. 😲
Scott, thank you for capturing the details of a busy week in space launches. SpaceX keeps our attention, but others are contributing and moving us forward in space.
cheers for the awesome coverage!! there is a lot going on, and you are all over it.
Thanks for all the updates. You’re my go to for all these programs and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Many many thanks.
Thanks Scott. Great recap as usual.
Thanks for the update Scott.
I really enjoy your videos. They're informative, understandable, and interesting, all while being really laid back and easy to watch. Thank you for all you do! ❤️❤️❣️
Great update video Scott, thanks.
Thanks for doing these news updates; I love to catch up on everything going on with these especially the launches that I might have missed.
Congrats and Namaste to the Mangalyaan team and ISRO for their achievement. Its hard enough to get to Mars, to stay for 8 years makes it more impressive.
Thank you for mentioning the downside to Starlink satellites , very few CZcamsrs do.
7:24 That NASA Space flight image! 😍😍😍😍😍
This videos are wonderful, thank you for making them
Altitude function: "we are now at 320 km"
Guidance function "Oops, 320miles? How did that happen no early? Oj well, it's a bit high but let's go circular"
Thank you, Scott. Once again a great report on the status of the world of space flight, including some amateur (high-energy) rocketry.
Great work Scott, thank you...
Scott I was out there watching from the wind farm site that is just 5 miles away! It was an AMAZING LAUNCH!
God I am so torn on Starlink. It is legitimately a useful service but I really can't get past the effects on astronomy and just general viewing of the night sky.
Scott - we need a new collective noun for a series of rocket launches
I keep thinking of excellent words that are also ... really un-excellent.
For instance, a finale of rocket launches (you know, like a fireworks show) but that sounds ... bad.
"Then, I thought of a kaboom of rocket launches. Not better.
Fountain and Roman Candle of rocket launches are both slightly acceptable names derived, again, from fireworks, but they are lackluster.
Honestly, I simply can't find a good descriptor of this type, a collective noun designed to accurately and/or interestingly capture the phenomenal grandeur and slight terror of many, many tons of metal and fuel being popgunned into orbital space.
Perhaps someone with a greater command of English will come up with something elaborately simple enough to stick. I wish I could, but alas, I have tried and failed.
Honestly, the only other idea I had to describe a large number of rocket launches was referring to the flock, as it were, as a turbopump.
Fusillade..?
@@ianfromcalifornia2215 Well done! Absolutely brawsome.
Thanks for the update
Your content is super RAD!!!
Love it!!!
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Great episode !
After you posted, the news broke that SpaceX was achieving
a launch cadence of every 6.1 days!
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Your Space News is the Best!!! Never miss an episode.
Holy Shit, how trippy seeing one of our local UROC folks in one of your episodes!! Cannot wait to see his Final video from his flight.
Love the shout out of the recent amateur rocket launch by Kip Daugirdas czcams.com/users/kdaugi ! I was present for the launch and it was a thing of beauty! A one-man project over the past 2+ years, he made the propellant, motors, and rocket all by himself. The flight over-performed expectations! He should have a video up on his channel soon with a lot more information and beautiful photos & video.
Thanks for the news, Scott! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@Scott Manley >>> 👍👍
spent three years as a child at woomera australian rocket range am now 68 still love the "space race"
“Boys that will float around on the ocean”‽ 😂 Took me a second to figure out the accent. Thanks Scott! Have been watching you for years!
Hi Scott, nice video, as always. One correction to be made though: Samantha Cristoforetti is not the first italian to hold command of the ISS; the first italian was Luca Parmitano during his Beyond mission!
I saw the Starlink launch while i was in Florida. I was near Tampa and didn't even know it was happening. My friend was driving and when i saw it, I comment "holy crap, a rocket launch!"
As always great update , global update , all launches in the world. Thanks Scott.
Great week for spaceflight. Any word on how the pilot training is going Scott? Hope you're doing well otherwise. Thanks man for the updates.
Scott that was a steamy video! Rrr!
Sofia allowed instrument changes as often as they liked. The next Sofia can be based on a Starship. Go to orbit for 6 months or so, then return. On some of these returns new instruments can be installed. Sofia has a solid mirror so it should hopefully be able to withstand landing on a Starship, with the proper mounting.
Or like the Chinese space station with an onboard telescope module (Xuntian) planned for 2024.
A new module for future space station?
@@AaronShenghao As long as the new module is designed to be loaded into Starship for frequent returns. But attaching it to a space station would limit it to lower orbits, and there's no need, really, it can be remotely operated, like Hubble. If it's launched as a free flying module then it would need it's own enclosing structure and attitude control systems and avionics, etc, which are already present in Starship.
Starship version of SOFIA could have an 8 meter mirror. Order one from the mirror lab now!
Whoever invented the "starship" moniker was overly optimistic.
i actually saw the live for the last launch of the delata IV heavy in my feed and joined at the 10 second mark lol, that was pretty lucky seeing such a historical event on a whim
I watched (happened to see) the Electron predawn jellyfish from the cockpit of a Hughes 500 over Hawke's Bay. It launched passed us while we were doing frost work.
Big thumbs up for the two stage 'amateur' rocket reaching 89 km.
I wonder how long before an amateur puts one into orbit.
I took the train up from Santa Barbara with my bike to see the Delta launch, was fun. snapped a little vid clip of the harbor where they unload the barges
So much space goodness! Love it 😎
Clearly I’m in the wrong business… I should be selling Rocket Fuel! So many rockets launching!
Safer to concentrate on LOx
That imagery of the Delta. I'm gonna miss it. It's almost like a relative has gone away
I like your Delta heavy photos. As rocket-photos, they would benefit from more detail and clarity, but as photographs of the concept, "rocket", they are great!
Just a couple weeks ago I saw one of those whole strings of starlinks together like 45mins-1hr after sunset, it was amazing, but I had no camera on me that could manage to take a photo unfortunately, they were the brightest thing in the sky except Jupiter, rivaling it. First time I've seen that, and it was shortly after seeing the shadow of Ganymede passing over Jupiter through my telescope for the first time, so that was pretty cool too. It was just a couple days after one of the launches so I assumed that was the same batch of starlinks.
Congrats on 1.5 million subs.
7:00 A pain Scott can never know…😢
10:38, looks like 2 tails to me. I can imagine there being a plasma tail vs an impact ejecta cloud, maybe (a bit like a comet's twin dust and plasma tails).
Thanks for the enhanced coverage of China's rocket launches, as well as the news you offered about the US, Russian (and Kiwi) launches.
Happy Anniversary!
Leave us on tenterhooks by teasing us with a possibly imminent full static fire test of the Starship booster!!!
SLS has moved more distance horizontal then vertically. Hopefully that will change soon.
7:15 - That images like a Falcon 9 rodgering the Sun, Scott.
That Falcon 9 launch Scott saw the Starlink train from was the first time I saw a launch come up the east coast. I'm in Vermont and saw the second stage plume illuminated by the Sun while at my local observatory that evening. It was very bright and spectacular.
I remember seeing the ISS in Nags Head North Carolina. That thing moves! Words can’t describe how fast it moves.
When I first saw it, I was surprised at how bright it got when the panels caught the sun.
Around 18,000 mph?
@@gregbailey45 , nominally 17.4, but it is slowing down and it needs to be boosted periodically.
Like UFO? I've seen it too (once so far), but it was unrecognizable... I used Stellarium to "find it."
hello its got manly here....
nothing more manly than science and rockets lol ;-)
just a bit fun mate, you have an amazing channel. ive learned so much over the years
QUESTION FOR SCOTT: When I was little, my Dad and I would explore Mars on Google/Mars. We could zoom in in some places to amazing close detail. Has Google Mars c hanged? have they downgraded the resolution? I can't find any of the places we used to see. There were close up dunes that had boulders with shadows and landslides. What happened? Did google lose rights? Did the high resolution images go to some pay site? You are the person to ask these questions.
--Molly
5:22 High five for saying your date in the correct format ;-)
Just finished golding my laundry right at the end of the video haha
At 18:41 the photo from the fairing is actually of the first stage entry burn. Note - A. The photo was taken after fairings deployment, so it's not the launch. B. The first stage fires I'm several directions to turn back - leaving the messy smoke path at the top of the trail, C. The first stage then falls in the same direction as the second stage, so the trail is actually traced from the top back to the bottom front of the image, D. The entry burn creates a drop like shape, not what you get during launch, E. The fireball is much higher than the clouds.
Beautiful photo!!!
Admire your expertise, but it is called reentry.
@@michaels3003 thank you sir, but I believe there's no re-entry since the first stage doesn't make it to space or orbit. Additionally, the re-entry plasma occurs much higher and at greater speeds than a falling Falcon first stage (which.. wasn't designed for re-entry... see bottom of Dragon capsule for reference heat shield).
The fire you're seeing in the photo is indeed the entry burn, which is the firing of 3 Raptor engines to slow down the first stage as it falls back to Earth. It's done for every SpaceX landing, about 1-2 minutes before the landing burn.
@@HappySmiley23 , thanks.
Hi Scott,
I said this last week too, but since it came up again this week, could you do a video about all of these Chinese military launches with secret payloads? It seems like they're sending a LOT of military hardware up there.
You all standing there with a rocket taking off behind you is about the funniest damn thing I can think of. 😆
great video yes
Hi, Scott! In regards the Alpha launch, I'm not as convinced as you seem to be that the issue was poor guidance, or possibly an upper stage engine underperformance. When the video signal was recovered from the upper stage, after the circularization burn was performed, the stage was slowly tumbling end-over-end. And I seem to recall one person on their flight control loop asking why the vehicle was maneuvering, and someone else asking, rather that stating, that maybe it was just moving to its payload deployment attitude. I watched as it completed one full end-for-end loop, and continue on, so I have doubts that it was in a planned "maneuver". My best guess is that they lost attitude control after the initial orbital insertion, and that the circ burn happened with the engine pointed in the wrong direction. It would have been more obvious of a failure had the burn been retrograde, but it seems to have been more tangential to the trajectory, so it just altered the orbital plane by a fraction. I'd be surprised if that isn't eventually announced as the problem they encountered.
Keep up the good work! And I do apologize, but when speaking of you to my friends who are also into space exploration, rocketry and flight, I tend to refer to you as "I'm Scott, and I'm manly!" I don't think you project that attitude, but the way you say it (possibly influenced by an American's reaction to your Scottish accent), it always sounds like that to me, lol!
Slight logical flaw in your statement versus the facts you stated to back it up, if the spacecraft was tumbling when it should not be tumbling, or it lost attitude control, would that not be a guidance problem? I guess it depends on if the guidance was the root cause or not, because it could also be a reaction thruster problem, which would result in a secondary effect of a guidance problem.
With this potential issue being an RCS thruster, and Capstone also potentially having an RCS thruster issue, I'm starting to wonder if some subcontractor made a bad batch of thrusters, like what happened a few years ago with many scientific probes and telescopes having bad reaction wheels from a bad batch of parts from one very specific manufacturer.
I mean I don't really think it's the case that these two RCS thruster issues are linked, they probably both use different propellants (unless they're both cold gas) and the thruster size is also likely not similar, but the possibility exists, so it's probably worth looking into it at least enough to try to disprove it.
@@44R0Ndin Well, sure -- you're sort of getting into semantics, though. A failure of attitude control doesn't mean that the guidance system -- the accelerometers and electronics that determine where the vehicle is, how fast it's going, and in what direction, couldn't be working perfectly fine. But unless attitude is controlled and the vehicle can be made to align the engine properly, it won't get the results it expects. A lot depends on how "generalist" the system is, and whether the guidance system and the attitude control system are one in the same thing. In Apollo, for example, attitude control was done through the digital autopilot (DAP) which wasn't the same system as the AGC, which maintained the guidance data. The AGC could command the DAP, but not vice-versa, and the AGC didn't have any sensors to know whether or not the RCS system was working properly. That actually caused auto-maneuver issues in Apollo after any major jolts to the vehicle (like pyros firing), which tended to turn off the power to the solenoids that fired the jets. I mean, for example, after the CSM would separate from the S-IVB post-TLI, one guy had to quick cycle the power to all of the RCS quads to restore them, as about half would be inadvertently shut off by the pyro bang. In that case, the AGC would tell thrusters to fire to accomplish the TD&E maneuvers, but the vehicle would balk or not respond correctly until the jets had been turned back on. I imagine a similar situation happened with Alpha's upper stage, in which something put the stage into a slow tumble and its RCS couldn't correct it. The guidance system sent the instructions to position the stage properly, but had no way to ensure that those instructions were followed. That's not a guidance system error, it's an attitude control error. But, if you lump attitude control in with the rest of the guidance system, then yeah, it's a guidance system error, lol! But (in my scenario) an error that only affected the attitude control. And, just to be clear, I base my scenario on the fact that the stage seems to have been moving when it wasn't supposed to be, at signal recovery, and that it continued its slow tumble for the entire time that we could see the video feed. The fact that Alpha's controllers questioned it and didn't have a good explanation for the movement tends to reinforce my suspicion. But, as always, I'm just basing my thinking on what I could see. I'll be interested to see what the experts with access to all of the data have to say, once the investigation is completed.
By the way, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but what I remember hearing on the controllers' loop after signal recovery was a female voice asking "Is it supposed to be moving?" And a male voice saying, "Well, I think..." followed by a fairly lengthy pause, and finished off with "...it could be maneuvering to deployment attitude." In response, the first voice said "OK" with a tone that sounded like she wasn't real sure such a maneuver was supposed to be happening at that moment. And, of course, before the feed ended, the stage had gone through a complete tumble and was still moving, which would be rather odd if it was aiming for a specific attitude. If someone else heard or saw something different, please feel free to share. 🙂
@@DougVanDorn Note that a sufficiently general guidance system could adapt itself to a rotating spacecraft and time circ burns to happen only when engine points in a favorable direction. That would obviously limit the duration of each burn and limit the net resultant delta-v because some of the thrust vector will be a sideways component to be canceled out by later moments within each burn.
Any thoughts on firefly now inconsistently getting huge TFRs on their launch attempts?
And another joyful minutes from Scott Manley! Anyone got any tip on where to get myself a few rocket models?
I would like to see video from the cameras on the Falcon9 second stage when it de-orbits.
I love rockets and rocket launches. Lots in orbit now. Hope we don’t run out of near earth orbit spots!
They could attach some new orienting hardware and bring some fuel but Hubble is unfortunately not going to be around forever without a space shuttle. It's not sufficiently modular that one could replace bits that way by remote.
That hobby rocketeer may well be the first person to launch a hobby rocket all the way to space. Next stop: personal satellite. Maybe in fifty years that astronaut farmer movie will be plausible lol.
I heard the smash satellite was the size of a refrigerator. How big is the asteroid?
I liked the Kipingsby story about a one man rocket launcher setting records. Isn't that in the same vein as maybe how another guy got his start? A guy named Goddard.
I could see the delta iv from big bear lake.
Awesome video! Key to all of this will be Starship that will allow us to reach space much cheaper than it has in the past. Another key will be getting people excited about what could be done. Your videos and others created by other SpaceTubers are doing a lot towards this! Keep doing what you are doing!
excellent
Re: the Chinese Space Station story, the module swap was how station modules were moved around on Mir in the 80's and 90's. A small arm called Lyappa (I don't know China's name for theirs) can grab onto and mov these big modules from port to port. Why? So engineers don't have to have active docking radars and equipment on every port of the hub (five ports on Mir, again not sure about China's)
Mir also had to re-arrange its modules to accomodate the Space Shuttle on early Shuttle-Mir dockings until a special docking module was built and attached (there were clearance issues, Shuttle couldn't fit) I remember seeing pictures of mir during those shuttle visits and was confused about the module layout. This was pre-internet for me and specialized media on this sort of thing was hard to come by.
Thank you for the update Scott, Fly Safe.
Great update, Scott-and congrats on properly pronouncing Koichi Wakatta’s name-mostly; you do a better job than NASA PAOs!
Hi Scott. Do you know anything about the affect on our atmosphere of all these launches ?
When the BFR tests all 33 engines, that will be quite a glorious noise!
Slightly furrowed brow at the expression 'single person team' at the end there! Awesome pics from the amateur rocket though!
New video!! 🎉🎉
Scott Manley recreating the "Yes, how sad. Anyway" gif XD
7:50 awesome
An anniversary including champagne, a hot tub, and Starlink? That's amore! 😉
That 5-year time limit for satellites in orbit makes my heart go pitter-patter, but I'll be it gives people like Elon heartburn.
It looks like the faring camera captured 1st stage landing.