Thassa, Deep-Dwelling vs Urza vs Kestia vs Ephara EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering
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Clarification comment, because it's popping up a lot...
The clones' abilities don't target (they're not even triggered abilities to begin with), and because of that, they can copy through hexproof, shroud and even protection.
The only way to stop a clone creature from copying your creature is to ensure the creature is not there when the clone enters the battlefield. And even then, the clone's controller can simply choose another creature on the field.
You can also counter it or negate its effects with an ETB negater like Tocatli Honor Guard or Hushringer.
Metamorphic alteration overrides etb triggers and shroud etc... Name a card is way diff than target indeed.
@@dipakraj3925 You can counter the clone, but like I said, clones' abilities are NOT triggered abilities. You can't stop them with Torpor Orb effects.
Martin vs Max vs Malcolm vs Muddstah on 20 feb 20, a Must-see Marvelous Magic Madness match marked mistakenly with a misname.
........ how did I not think of that. DANG IT!
MTG Muddstah lol
*This is the second or third time where CZcams has incorrectly put up the name of the file and not my inputted title. I'm not sure what I can do to fix this. Sorry all!*
Please don't be sorry, just don't let it happen again. My investment in the gameplay depends on the titles.
But seriously, good luck with it.
Maybe If you rename the file!?
I ended up deleting the title (which was correct) and re-wrote and saved it. That seems to have worked.
"This has been happening with videos from other content creators as well. Probably CZcams not realizing it's being difficult.
I believe the answer would be to make some generic goblin noise.
Kestia is seriously underrated. she gives so much incidental card draw
The problem I always come up with is Kestia vs Tuvasa.
god tribal lol?
I’ve just built a Kestia deck and it went off beautifully the first time I played it. My group were just as surprised as I was 😂
Martin, Malcolm, Max, and Muddstah. The four horsemen of the Mpocalypse
Wow, that's a lot of blue.
Da ba dee da ba die?
20 feb 20 is one of the strongest commanders i know
Uncomfortable card?
Me think you are selling Invoke Prejudice a little short there mate
I’m pretty sure it’s banned in all formats for being so uncomfortable
I was looking forward to see some cool Ephara shenanigans like the last time she appeared on channel, but we got Stax and "counter everything" control instead... Malcolm is a monster. :(
Yeah I gotta agree, Malcolm's commander may as well have been Kasimir for all the relevancy it had. Without a decklist I guess we can't see if his deck is just hard control or if this was coincidence, but with cards like Humility in a Ephara deck I would be surprised if it was. Kinda an eyeroller for me, boring control deck is boring but to each their own.
@@masalpert One difference is Ephara can sit on the battlefield while still not providing creature colors for Invoke Prejudice, but yeah, that deck was very snore.
All of your opponents have M names and also Enchantment Creatures as commanders!
Me: I wonder how stupid expensive that Ephara decklist is? Let’s go check.
Muddstah: NO THANK YOU
Command zone devotes an entire 10 minute segment of their podcast having JLK talk about Reap and how good it is... Cue Andrew posting a game with no black permanents
One game where reap is a dead card. 🤣
That's because Josh Lee Kwai is a corporate stooge
Im beginning to suspect The Command Zone is hyping up random shit cards just to see how high they can raise their prices.
For Urza's shuffle ability, if you have no knowledge of your deck (meaning you don't know what the top or bottom cards could be), I find it's faster to just offer your deck to someone, tell them to cut it, then play the top card. Especially if you intend to do it a lot.
Leivve Max had said there were counters in the deck. I was hoping to get lucky.
If the title is telling, this will be an incredible game
Hunter D The title was all messed before, it’s a dated joke
This is the kind of fight I could easily imagine urza getting himself into.
*Three giant ethereal women with deific powers*
Urza: Ladies. *tips hat*
Muddstah out here with the non theros commander
Just built my thassa deck. This version is pretty dope! Got a lot of ideas
The worst thing about this game is that no one saw Malcolm coming. having someone 14 cards and no one really stopping him, or even attacking him wile he had nothing on board is a massive lapse in judgement.
Were you running top and counterbalance with those snow covered islands
I am extremly confused by the Ephara deck :D He seemed to be playing expensive tribal both in mana and financial cost. That is all that I can really come up with.
His deck makes me throw up.
Exactly the kind of deck i don't wanna see in my playgroup. (and since it's me who makes the rules, it won't)
The ultimate sleepy-control-kill-by-bored deck
I'd have been fine had people recognised that he was simply setting up and pressured him to force some answers out of his hand. When the first draw 7 resolved he should have become archenemy until his hand was depleted.
@@armoric Yeah I agree and they should have attacked him probably even before he cast the insight. Either Muddstah or Max could have easily attacked him for a bunch. Time is actually the most valuable resource in EDH and you shouldn't give anyone free time to set up and cast stuff like time stretch or go for a combo. If it doesn't cost you much attack them to force them to expend something and maybe get an idea of what they are doing.
I can imagine some playgroups don't like killing people who are doing literary nothing to let them have fun, but the truth is your deck should be prepared to handle general creature aggression.
But I don't think that anybody should get all the blame - the game also had a few coincidences that lead to that. 2 mono-blue decks (problems removing things on the board in general), both Muddstah and Max had decks focused more on themselves then removal or aggression and Martin had almost no mana for most of the game. Not to mention Malcolm's deck seemed to rely heavily on instants/sorceries which nobody was able to interact with. If anything it was like one of those games that happen at conventions or larger stores where some people bring decks outside the meta and get crushed or kill everyone. A counterspell or just a couple of aggressive creatures would put a huge wrench in his plans.
@@LAmanafull6246 why do you make rules
@@twoneraps3352 Well i've created this playgroup on purpose : i want casual edh multi. In Paris, there is already CEDH, and a lot of players don't like that. I created some "limitation rules" to discourage competitive players to come. It's been 5 years now, and it works very well :)
The first time I’ve heard Jolt’s sweet voice in weeks
My Tuvasa enchantments deck draws tons of cards for me. It's the first ever bant commander deck I have ever built or played and it's a whole lot of fun and can get out of control very very fast
I have a question we’re you not playing static orb and winter orb because that in an Urza deck is really op
That Thassa deck is sweet. That Kestia deck is sweet. Ephara is great but that deck wasn’t very fun. Urza is unfair most of the time but that seemed to be a fair deck.
Why no link for the Thassa deck?
10:23 now, that was a boardwipe XD
no full deck lists?
I just hate gameplays ending by hidden combos. It sounds like "ill draw 30 cards and win the game", then the others just believe on it and say: "no prob", "sounds good for me". Id like to see how ephara really wins the game, once he couldnt draw the combos or just make a mistake...
Thanks to keep sharing these plays, it is a lot of fun!
I had this happen on Saturday. Somebody was playing First Sliver Food Chain and they had food chain and squee and just told us how they'd win without really being able to do it. Apparently there's some kind of cascade that cascades into whatever card in whatever order you want it. At some point, he'll just have to end going through all the cards to get the right one to eventually do something that ends the game...somehow...presumably by decking himself, others, or doing some infinite damage thing without actually doing it.
Alright, It's Muddstah time! *plays generic goblin noises really loudly*
well... 3 out of 4 decks did stuff, nonlands got tapped, there was interaction and so I still enjoyed this game. Combo, stax and hardcontrol whatever.
Excellent! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
For those wondering what Grand Architect does because I think he forgot to put the card up:
Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1.
Blue: Target artifact creature becomes blue until end of turn.
Tap an untapped blue creature you control: Add Colorless Colorless. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
20, feb and 20... who is the fourth commander?
The comma. It's the comma.
MTG Muddstah lol
Whats that ephara deck 👀 I want it
That Thassa deck is niiiiiiice
Decklist EPHARA please!
Was Martin allowed to copy Urza while Urza was equipped with swiftfoot boots?
What spell did he use to copy Urza?
@@MTGMuddstah oh nvm it says any
I see commander I like
That's a lot of ETB in one gameplay
"M"chantment creature opponents.
Man, I want that new Thassa for my flicker life gain deck! It'd be nice to have a indestructible creatures that can flicker other creatures.
I want it for my General Tazri deck that revolves around blinking creatures. An indestructible enchantment that blinks my Hagra Diabolist or Tazri every turn? Sign me up!
@@Starcraftgamer97 hell yea, that sounds lit! you can cause a lot of life loss with that strategy. I have more nefarious things in my flicker deck that thassa would be amazing to flicker, particularly Lavinia of the tenth!
@@Devilish420 I also like my Kazanduu Warlord too. +1/+1 counters for all ally's? I'll take it. Now imagine a Talus Paladin and the two Blademasters. Those become big beaters real quick. The biggest problem I have is disruption and lack of major protection that isn't Ally ETB's. If people cut me off, obviously I'm really screwed with no way to catch up lol
@@Starcraftgamer97 well since you have every color available to you, especially blue so you could use counter spells; particularly counters that are uncounterable like Dovin's veto or last word and if you're having a problem with opponents activated abilities messing with your strategy, get something like an Azorius Guildmage, she has an ability that counters activated abilities that aren't mana abilities for 2 colorless 1 blue.
Wouldn’t the Urza copy cause both Urzas to go to the graveyard due to the legend rule?
Legend rule has changed years ago.
If YOU control two of the same Legendary permanent, choose one and sacrifice the rest.
Anyone else notice that Thassa change halfway through the video?
Chernabog I’ve been searching for a comment about this for minutes, thank god I wasn’t just hallucinating
So much blue at the table.
I'm not entirely sure why Humility was killed when it was. It had basically shut down Urza, not letting you (Muddstah) have extra mana or Urza activations. On top of that, Martin wouldn't be getting ETB triggers from his creatures. Max and Malcolm would have been the only ones to really "do" anything. With Aura Shards, Max could have been blowing up some of the constructs to begin lowering the power of the table and then, when ready, play to blow up Humility and swing all out against the table. This being said, I'm not sure if there was politics at play here
Na. The guy who plays humility fully intends to be able to protect it, and to use it to slow the others down. If you let an asymmetrical effect like that sit at the table, a tuned deck will make use of it. It wasn't specifically preventing one or the other from pulling ahead, it was slowing all 3 of his opponents.
Humility shuts down most enchantress cards and almost half of Max's deck. No, blowing it up was absolute priority.
Andrew, I think you need to recheck your scheduled videos before you let them post. lmao
I give it the correct title as I upload it. This is the second or third time where it's gone with the original file name instead of what I inserted for whatever reason.
I’m a little saddened everyone scooped before an actual win con was displayed
He was going to take infinite turns with the Riptide Lab + Archaenomancer.
Yeah that’ll do it. Thanks for highlighting the loop
Lol.
@@MTGMuddstah That's incredibly anti-clamactic. I feel like it's the right thing to put cards or combos like that in a deck, but it just doesn't feel finite, or like anything happened to actually end the game. It reminds me of my Varina Zombies deck where I won about 3 times with Approach of the Second Sun.
I just got counter spelled trying to watch all this blue.
Wall of Stolen Identity's ability has already resolved. Making it lose its abilities changes nothing.
That's what we thought. Good to know we were right!
Oblivion stone misplay?
How so?
What misplay? He just dropped it and activated it, and he had more than enough mana.
Maybe I missed something, but when did he created all the needed fate counters?
Mutanten Obst : Putting a fate counter on something saves it from being destroyed. He didn’t put any fate counters on anything, so everything was wiped. I get why you’re confused though!
It blows up all nonland permanents that don't have a fate counter on it, not all permanents the owner doesn't control. Although the player casting it looks like they only had lands anyway (unless I missed something) so I think it was just the way the voice over said it.
I wouldn't have the courage to use phyrexian mode of mirrodin besiedged with Urza. I feel mirrodin half is much better value
nice title
Thanks! CZcams decided to try their hand at using my original file name as opposed to the one I put in.
@@MTGMuddstah fine for me as long as i can watch your videos :)
@9:10 with the wall, I would have played that the Grand Architect would be untapped as the Wall's ability is an ETB ability, not a static one. The wall did not leave play, then return to play. It remained in play, just as a 1/1, during which all information about it's ETB ability would have been lost. The static element of that ability is conditional on it being ETB, too. I may be wrong, but that's how it reads to me. I can absolutely see how there would be discussion on this, though, it has definitely left me scratching my noggin'.
I believe it would stay tapped. The tap effect is not an ETB, but simultaneously occurs with the creature entering as any creature. The creature would still remember all the prior information before humility. This ones a real tricky one to know.
Yea, it was a real tough one!
@@metalking837 You've got me chewing on this one even more, so thank you for that
Im here
As a blue player, this game would be amazing
Was that salt that I heard at the end there Andrew? Ephara is a super sweet build-around, and even though that list was more stax-combo it ran Ephara to have an Indestructible commander with high power and I kind of doubt that just any other Azorius control commander would suit that shell as well as she does. All in all, I think this was a well played game. An unfortunate loss maybe, but not a brutal or an unfair one. Just to be clear, I get why it is annoying, I have simply played against enough variants of Stax that it doesn't surprise me anymore when someone hides behind a commander for its colors.
Is it me, or everyone forgot about swiftfoot boots?
For the clones? Because Clones don't target in the conventional sense as they come in.
Do you say it for the Stunt Double? I think you can select it anyway because it doesn't say "target creature"
And it doesn't untap on your turn?
Clones' abilities are not triggers or targeted etc. They just come into play as whatever creature it is intended to be.
No clue why he has Ephara in the command zone if he's just gonna play stax and counters
Probably misdirection. If he had Grand Arbiter as the commander then everyone knows what he's up to. Ephara could be tokens or something so gives him plausible deniability until it's too late
He targeted Urza with the copy while Urza had boots
Clones don't target in the traditional sense. This was correct.
MTG Muddstah Oh! Learned something new. Thanks!
Ephara decklust or riot.
No red decks....aw man
Imagine a non blue deck playing in this game.
I can hear the tears of my Danitha Voltron and Knight Tribal deck.
I see that both mono-blue decks fell behind on land drops and failed to interact in a meaningful way before it was too late *nod nod*
Them's the breaks. I kinda feel like the Kestia player should have applied more pressure to the Ephara player, who was pretty clearly doing nothing and waiting for /something/ the whole game long. I get that Urza as a card in general is scary, but the version you showed was really not. He could have just chump blocked your creatures for days. This all is probably results-based opinion though, and maybe in the moment the plays seemed like the right choice.
I think the criticism being leveled at the Kestia deck for being "boring/unfun" etc is pretty unwarranted, and damaging for EDH as a whole. People like playing stax, people like playing control, the presence of these archetypes is better for the game as a whole because it teaches you about threat assessment and how to pace your plays. Just because someone plays in a way that you personally don't like doesn't make it bad, and if someone draws 14 cards off an Overflowing Insight, resolves a Time Stretch, and then resolves a hardcast Omniscience *you deserve to lose to it* Once the Ephara play had the game on lock he also ended it cleanly by slamming haymakers, and I respect that.
I can appreciate you trying to make Urza as fair as is possible, but going over the decklist your overrall lack of card selection and utility in the form of instants and sorcery spells makes me real sad as a blue player. Playing Blue and then tapping out every turn just feels wrong to me, different strokes for different folks I guess. Thanks for the gameplay.
It was Max's Urza deck, as I mentioned.
Das too much blue bois
Each of your opponents have “m” names and are all using Nyx based characters as commanders. How unusual
First
Andrew: "...and then cast Invoke Prejudice, which is just... an uncomfortable card."
If only he knew how much of an understatement this would become three months later...
By the way, do you intend to delete old games in which this card shows up?
Props for invoke predjudice. Haven't seen anyone actually play it before. And I kinda hate the whole stigma around it, like don't hate the card, hate the artist. Even though the artist did some nice work on other cards plus R&D made that card before the art was commissioned so it kinda set itself up for that
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't play that card unless I changed the art on it. That "don't hate the card, hate the artist" line has been used for a lot of other situations in the past. I think that's the main reason why I don't like this comment.
That.....was one of the worst ways ive seen a game end of all time.
Nobody made any poor decisions or anything, but my god, that was just cancerous
The poor decisions were not punching the guy with the full hand and permanents that don't care about wraths.
This is also accurate
Whats wrong with *Invoke Prejudice*?
Yknow its...
Its what? A magic card.
Riiiiight....
It was played in this game? Timestamp please?
@@philllllllll at 10:27 in Malcom's extra turn plays...
7:54 "You all mofos playing cards and me here doing nothing, you all need to be HUMBLE!"
humility in edh...seriously?
Urza does not strike me as a card designed to just pay 5 colorless to flip one card at a time. It is an infinite mana sink to flip your whole deck and win with something like Labman, or the other two newer versions of Labman.
Just dumping 5 turn after turn is not good value. Going off with infinite mana is "broken".
He was trying to dig for a counterspell to stop that Time Stretch, which is totally understandable and reasonable.
@@DarkEinherjar - I agree... but I was responding to his end card game review and commenting in general.
That is what is interesting about MtG. Individual cards can be underwhelming or even outright bad on their own (Urza is amazing on his own), but suddenly become an important cog in a game winning combo/deck.
5 mana to flip something at random? Kinda bad.
Infinite mana to flip your deck and win? Super good.
very boring gameplay from malcolm imo :/
Blue is the best color un edh. not casual