6 Month Review With Cam and 3000 Stall Torque Converter
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2018
- A 6 month review of my set up. A Texas Speed 223/226 cam in my 6.0 swapped 1500 with a Circle D Specialties 3000 Stall Converter.
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That’s the best explanation and demonstration of how higher stall speeds effect driving characteristics. Thanks for the vid.
Dude this video was freaking great. I’m buying a camaro with a 5.3 Texas torquer v4 cam, 4l60, and 3000 stall hopefully it makes an ok daily
On my old RCSB 6.0 swapped i loved when i got my trans rebuilt with the 3200 stall, made it a beast. It took me a while to get use to factory stall when i sold it
I like it too. It’s a lot of fun. I can’t wait to get a performance trans
Beautiful to see your dash with no lights on whatsoever. That's my goal for my Chevy 😂 my goodness . Endless wishlist is the best way to describe it
Hell im just happy to see that you dont have a check engine light on......keep up the good work
Means he has a good tuner
Means the CEL bulb is out
IT JUST SOUNDS SO DAMN GOOD!!!!
LOL!!!...I'm glad you like it bro
right on man! i was thinking about getting
Damn good vidoes plz keep up the good work
Some people don’t realize that stalls work with engine and trans and weight ratios lighter the combo sooner the stall. Heavier the later the stall
It also will not flash at the higher speed if light load is applied. Plus it’s loose at idle, hence why it’s necessary with a big duration cam.
Thank you. I’m also putting a 3000/3200 stall converter in a c4 with a sbf 289 with a 512 cam in a 1964 van econoline. I expect it to be fun, just don’t wanna break my axles 👍🏼
@endless wishlist can’t wait for the add-on trans cooler.
Needed this. Going with a TS stage 4 lowlife truck cam in my LY6 6.0 I'm swapping in my 08 Sierra 1500.
I have a Hughes 3k converter on a 383 making may be 480 in front of a th350. 373 rear end. It is like trying to walk a dog that wants to chase everything in front of you. If you make a decent amount if power, it will drive at that stall rating. Mine flashes at like 4500 rpm. So I cruise at 3k and nearly redline at wot. 3k stall can make your vehicle very difficult to daily. Every engine and combo will be different. Yours seems tame, lucky you haha
Thanks for the informative video.
Damn, so it always keep the engine in it power band, or the start of it. Very nice
Great video. 🤘🤘
Thanks!
Great video demonstrating rpm slipping up to its peak stall. People don't understand a well built stall convertor. They say aiming for peak stall about 500rpm lower than peak torque gives a great combo. Would be interesting if youve dynod your torque and kw lines to see how the 3000rpm compares to your peak torque. Cheers
I e heard that the stage 4 came in a lifted truck is “to much” cam. Is that true you think. Like is it sluggish on the low end? I’m swapping a cam in my truck but it’s got a 5 speed in it so I don’t have to worry about a stall
Like you said big cam put your hp/ tq in a different rpm band. You always wanna run your stall for that range. Typically whatever your cam calls for. All a stall means is your converter won't convert any more energy from the flywheel past its stall limit. Quick way to see what type of stall converter you have , hold the break continously while you're in drive and floor it and while watching your rpm. Whatever rps your engine stays at will tell you what stall your converter has.
I'm assuming that's basically like starting a burnout, but seeing where the point is where the revs hold without breaking traction? Hope this works for AWD so I can see where my LS is at. I wanna stroke the 5.7 to a 6.3, worked heads etc.
That truck sounds sweeet!
Great video, got a 3800 stall and it toasted my 4l60e. Not enough trans cooler. Might go with sum lower like a 2,200 stall or sum.
I love your truck. Ive got a 02 RCSB silverado and plan on dropping a 6.0 in it.
Do it! You will love it. The 6.0 should have been an option for these trucks.
Keep on trucking
As long as it is not into the stall rpm range cruising it does tend to heat up the transmission.
So bear with me on this but what about a 2nd gen ram 4x4 but in stead of the 360 or 318 it was a cammed 5.3 with 4l80 but compatible with the straight axle 4x4 in the 2nd gen
Thanks for the video
What's the size of the stall Converter on your Chevrolet Silverado
Watched a ton of your videos, I don't know if you are still on youtube, what do you think of the cam? How is vacuum? Just now starting my Silverado build., thanks for all of the content.
Torn between the BTR Hot Rod Cam and the TSP 224r. I need some good street manners.
How is it towing a trailer?
the true stall i saw on the tach is 2400-2800 with your circle D unit. shout out to Circle D !!! thanks for the video.
Can u send the link & did u have to get a spacer for it to fit
The reason transmissions get hot with higher stall is the slipping to get to those higher rpms off the bat. I don't think that's been a big issue since the lock up converter's started gaining traction in the 90's. Before then you had to run engine rpm pretty close to the stall speed to keep transmission temp down and overdrive would be useless. One exception where a lock up would be just as bad as a non lockup would be a lot of stop and go city traffic. I've wanted to upgrade cam and converter depending if motor or transmission breaks 1st... So far I've been waiting 19yrs.
What lifters were you running in this setup ? Ls7 ?
Ran a 2500 stall in my 95 k2500 you can daily drive a stalled vehicle just up till your rpm you'll crawl up to speed. It's not that big of a deal breaker just you'll get tired of Grandma's outrunning you to get up to speed for your mpg. But in town with my 350 doing alot of racing in-between tanks of gas I'd get around 12-15 mpg in town on highway around 17-20. Just have fun and enjoy.
They are fun. I enjoy mine very much. I don’t see a huge reason not to get one.
Endless Wishlist I plan on putting a higher stall in my 05 with a shift kit
Good morning
I have 6.2 l stage 3 cam and a 6l80 transmission
What size of stall should I use? Thanks
It's like a CVT with gears, is the best way I describe it, it gets the engine to its power band, then the trans catches up with the engine as you accelerate, I haven't went that high in stall before, I have ran the higher stall factory converters in a truck, I could see about 1600-1800 without tire spin,until I swapped gear ratios, then it was near stock, it dropped about 200 rpm, going from 2.73's to 3.42 gears, it did light the tires with the gear change, it wasn't best with my cam for performance, but it did allow for the rough idle, I was going to get a 2400-2600, but never did, I'm on another project now, anyone needs to list all mods and weight , gear ratio, tire size, and let the converter guys pick the converter, a 3k stall shouldn't be the first mod, a stock truck engine is done around 4k-4500, about 2k for stock , or 2500 with a bit of gear, depending on weight, and use !
Not with these LS engines. My bone stock 03 6.0 makes peak torque at 4k rpm, and you can feel it, it really becomes alive 4k-4.5k and revs beautifully to 6k.
did you had the cam on a stock converter and was it lightning it up on idle?
I'm in upstate NY and have about the same mods as your 02 and 98 Chevy
I'm in need of a tune for each to get them running. Did you send out your computer and to what place?
Bauer performance can get you going. But nothing beats an in person tune.
Hello, Does BTR 5.3 HOT ROD CAMSHAFT fit yukon 5.3 2008? I am add long tube headers and Y-PIPE and full exhaust system 3 inch Cold air intake DOD DELETED Yukon 5.3 2008 has 4L60E transmission should I upgrade the converter to FTI STREET BRAWLER 3200 STALL SPEED Thanks a lot Thanks,
Did you do the regear yourself?
In the process of a 2007 6.0 swap in a 2001 standard cab sierra. I have the 6.2 rectangular port heads and intake and 595/595 238/242 @112 lobe cam in it w a 3000 stall hughes convertor. Any idea how it will perform? Its also going to be ahead of a th400 trans. Great videos btw
Thank you. Hard to say. I’m sure it will run good. Just make sure to measure your piston to valve clearance. That’s a good sized cam.
good video
I believe just cruising it under the stall rpm causes excess slippage in the convertor and smokes it way sooner than normal..
Did you replace your coolant crossover lines? I'm wondering what kit works with the L76 and truck intake. I'm looking at the trick flow one from summit.
I got the trick flow one from summit. It works pretty good. I don’t have any complaints
Endless Wishlist nice man thank you! Keep up the good work!!
@@petercollier3610 motion raceworks has them
Where the fuck do you live. Your neighborhood is perfect. So beautiful having the mountains in your backyard basically.
I just picked up some 799 casting do you know a good shop to send to get fully ported?
Katech offers cnc porting for like 600 I think. And tsp also has cnc porting for about 900 but they will mill the heads also
Can you put a 3000 stall in at front wheel drive car a 4.9 v8 stock
Multiplies torque it's all it does
I’m putting a 2500 stall and shift kit on my 4l80 I’m running a 6.0 with a Whipple 2.3 3 inch pulley stock internals and heads for now
That’s gonna rip!
james williams how’s that turn out that’s a pretty small stall for powerful build
Just subscribed brother! Quick quetion did you buy those head lights on ebay? I seen some similar ones on ebay but wasnt sure how good they are
Yes I did. But they weren’t the 40 dollar set. They cost over 100 bucks. Just look at the pictures and make sure that they have metal in the back side. Not just plastic
Endless Wishlist awesome! Thanks!
Nice one mate. I'm in Australia. I'm in the middle of building a l67 for my Holden wagon. It has 17pound and I'm running a hot cam. Just ordered my 3000 converter today along with corvette servo and b&m stage 2 shift kit. Looking forward to it 😎🤙
I had all that done on my vn berlina i had. 2nd gear squeels the tyres and used to skid sideways in 2nd lol. Was heaps of fun R.I.P 🙏
@@udownwito.p.p4153 build another one bro . Since this post I have fitted a haltec ECU , bigger cam and 4200 converter. It Fry's tyres every gear hah
Hello, Does BTR 5.3 HOT ROD CAMSHAFT fit yukon 5.3 2008? I am add long tube headers and Y-PIPE and full exhaust system 3 inch Cold air intake DOD DELETED Yukon 5.3 2008 has 4L60E transmission should I upgrade the converter to FTI STREET BRAWLER 3200 STALL SPEED Thanks a lot Thanks,
Thanks bro
I have a 2008 tahoe 5.3L with a stage 2 cam , lifters, push rods and beehive springs . Transmission is built not stock . Cam specs requires a 2800 stall . What stall should I be looking for ? Thanks in advance .
2800 stall. Go wit what the cam calls for.
Im doing the Texas Speed 223/226 cam in my 5.3 and do you think i could run a 2200-2500 stall? I daily it and dont want a 3000 stall at all.
Tsp told me that cam would do fine with my stock 4l80e converter. I was gonna go with bigger cam with 3200 stall but after see this ima stay with smaller and stock converter
@@joshshelby7322 i would never go with the stock converter. Biggest cam i would go with a stock converter is a 212/216
Hi i'm a newbie here...Finally, this is the first time that i see how to shift/use an automatic and what a stallconverter does. I have a Chevy C-10 with TH700R4 transmission and didn't know what to do with 1, 2 and 3rd. Engine is 5.7 with Comp Cams 224/224 with LSA 107, 1.6 roller rockers, Promaxx 66cc heads plus Barry Grand stage 3 carb. 1800 Stall... Can i use 3rd as off idling and punch it? Thank you very much. Regards, Harry
the flash stall is more around 2800 at a 20-30 roll.
hey what stall converter would you reccomend me bc im putting a 228/228 .600 lift tsp cam in my 2003 silverado 4.8 and i dont know what size stall to put in
I would get the same one. The 3000-3200 stall. You can email circle d and they will tell you what stall would be best for your set up
I put a 3200 stall on mines with that same cam
Do any towing? If so how does it do when you tow/haul?
I have only towed once. It was about 7k and it did great. I wouldn’t make a habit of it but if need be then it will do the job.
Fact is, my 06 regular cab with a 6.2 in it has a 3800 stall and a transbrake. Also a two step setup and it HATES towing. And my food trailer weighs MAYBE 4000lbs fully loaded. I’m actually thinking about doing a t56 or 2500hd zf6 swap. Just for fun and practical reasons since I tow more than most people.
I pull it 6000 pounds with my 02 Silverado 2wd all stock, is not the fastest truck pulling that weight but did it ok I would said
Everyone tells me I’m overkill but I use a 3500 stall converter in my cammed 87 Buick Grand National with a precision ball bearing 6262 turbo. On stock heads and block built with completely forged internals. Plus all the mods alcohol,etc. but everyone said I should have went with a 3000 stall. But it is what it is.
If it’s a good converter it’s not really that much of a difference. That sounds like a pretty sweet setup.
Yea that’s way too lose for a 6262 gn a 9.5inch 18 blade ptc from dusty would really wake that car up.
DJ Tech12zz I’ve got a z71 with a 3600 stall haha
sounds like a nice solid build to me good job 👍
@@pktillidie agreed...I'm running a 6262 with a ptc 2800lu. It's been a good combo.
If you turn on tow mode does it affect the shift
Yes but just the way it does factory. I had the tuner just leave it. Timers can make it shift differently. Like a “race” mode
I saw the gas gauge move!
where did you find your denali gauge cluster ive been looking and all the ones ive found have a grey outline of the gauges bad way to explain but urs look normal. anyway keep up the vids we love em in TN
Got mine off eBay. Mine came with the gray but I took the cover off my original gauge cluster.
@@EndlessWishlist thanks i didnt know you could do that. i will be getting mine soon, my brother has a 2000 gmc 1500 with a LQ9 6.0 we just swapped in, but hes got his stock 4l60e and its not going to last long anyway i appreciate it man and your videos are a big help
I heard you say it is "geared" but didn't catch the numbers ... what are the gears and what size tire are you running? I'm debating whether 3k rpm stall will be enough for my 4.33 rear K5 with 33's and 4L85E
35s with 4.56 gears. 4l60e transmission
@@EndlessWishlist Ty sir
I'm looking for a shop. Can recommend? I need to in stall a cam kit in my 6.0 lmk bud tks
I'm in the midst of installing a 9" 3200RPM stall converter in my single cab, with 6.0 (370CI), and a 4L80E. I've been running a 10" 2300 RPM stall, and it runs almost like stock. That's with 32" tall tires and 4.10 gears. Just swapped to a sloppy stage 2 cam, and the bigger stall at the same time. Hopefully those 2 changes complement each other. I dont like having to rev the engine super high to get the truck moving so I'm hoping the engine is not crazy in RPM at low speeds with the new converter. I have customers that have vehicles with high stalls and they just sound retarded trying to pull away from a stop sign, or red light, at 3000+ RPM's...
Big difference in a street/strip high stall and a full competition high stall. Can be the same stall rpm but react totally different
Take it up to Virginia city from Reno and see if that warms up the transmission.
I’ll see what I can do
What gauges do you have on the pillar of your truck
2 of them are glowshift 10 series and I is a autometer pro comp I believe
How abrupt is the lock-up engagement? I was hoping you would include some of the lock up engagements in the video. Once the converter locks i assume its its like "stock," is that correct?
It’s not harsh if that is what you are asking. Yes once it locks up it cruises just like normal.
I was just curious about the lock up. Its not a deal breaker for me. But I was very interested in its drivabilty during lock up. Have you towed at all with the converter? (thanks for your reply btw.)
Yea of course, I try to reply to everyone. I have towed with it. About 6-7k and it handled it very well. And the trans never got hot.
Endless Wishlist last question, sorry for all the questions.. I’m sure you covered this too, but what’s your tire size and axle gearing?
I have 35s with 4.56 gears
I decided on 223/226 high lift with 2000-2800 stall
Robert Hensley I think that would be better with a 3200 stall
Does it spin the tires easier from take off?
Yes it does. Especially when it’s cold. I have a Detroit true trac and I still spin
Was your ecm flashed for the gear change and wheel size
Not right away but I did.
So when you do cam change out you gotta install stall converter ?
If it is a big cam yes.
I gotta question! I just been cammed and I still have my stock converter and I keep stalling out when I put either in drive to soon or reverse is it because I need a new converter?
No that’s probably tune related or fuel related. Mine did that with a stock stall and an aftermarket one. My fuel pump is weak and my idle was set too low.
@@EndlessWishlist ohhhhhhh ok
My oil was low to because my oil symbol illuminated when it died on me
good video man, im building a 5.3 and was looking at installing a btr stage 4 cam and I was reading about the whole tc issue...I don't mind doing it but I drive the truck in the winter time up in Canada and im curious if it will just be a animal all over the road if I decide to go that route?
No not at all. I drive mine in the snow and ice and it’s fine. You can still take off slow. It’s just when you punch it, the tc allows the engine to jump up in Rpms more than the stock one will.
Thanks man, good video!
What stall for a stage 4 cam?
I’m putting a 228/232 .600”/.600” in my stock 5.3L with the stock stall converter. This shouldn’t bring issues you think right? I’m hearing this is ok. I do have a buddy that tunes & will be tuning after the cam is in. Thank ahead of time!
I am going to be getting better springs tho.
Everyone and every setup is different. But I know with my 212/218 in my 5.3 I would want a higher stall with any bigger cam.
@@EndlessWishlist could I damage anything or is this simply for better top end performance?
It won’t hurt anything. But you will most likely lose low end power and pick up top end power
What's the duration on your cam? It seems pretty small so I'm wondering if I should go bigger stall wise
223/226
I have a 383 Sbc and my duration @ .050 is 219/225
Why is your truck shifting at around 5,200 rpm? If you weren't at WOT I understand but if you were you're missing out on some horsepower. But if that's your shift point you can definitely bump it up a good 1,000 rpm safely and use the cams full potential.
I probably wasn’t full throttle. My 5.3 tune used to shift at like 6,300. The tune in my 6.0 is pretty conservative at the moment. But I have a dyno tune next week.
Endless Wishlist yeah my truck shifts at 6,600 rpm. I need to get it dynoed so I know where peak power is to adjust the shift point.
Yes..dyno...a good cooler , and more vids...
Did you hit wot? It doesn't seem like it moves very fast considering all your mods.
a cam is the only mod. the stall doesnt give you power
I got a circle D in the mail today for my somewhat built ls2 TBSs. I got the 2600-2800 stall
How much was it
How do u like that one
Its all about combination, stall, gear, cam and weight, tire size. I would advise getting a gear atleast a 390 . I gained mpg running a 390 gear with my 2500 stall in my malibu gbody. My trans am has a 3k stall and it does perfect with stock 323s but im switching to 390s and cam . 323s not cutting it and not keeping me in power band even with my stock ls6 cam.
Nice video man but what's ur mpg?
I don’t even know anymore
Ya i dont know why anyone would get an off the shelf with a little extra by mail order unless it is a stock vehicle
4l60??
What stall would u recommend with the old set up. I have an gbody Malibu 5.3/4l60e 3.73posi BTR 212/218 111lsa
If it’s something you just drive to have fun I really like the 3k stall. If you daily it or just cruise it maybe a lower one.
Quick question how does it tow or you don't tow it all
I only towed once and it was fine. I got a diesel now so I don’t need to tow with it anymore.
pulling the motor on the 2500 today. i want to put in a cam when i do the rebuild maybe a 212/218?
Oh yea I would for sure. That cam would be great in a 2500.
Rick Bean i have the 212/218 and it lags pretty bad from a dry stop i would suggest getting a 2600 stall.
Larry Washington this is on 5.3 right because I think that can would be perfect for ls1 and no stall
@@larrywashington4714hey pud wad how bout a wet stop?
Do you know the avg. MPG you are at right now? No one ever says a number, it's always just not good. Are we talking 8-9 or like 11-12mpgs? Love your videos!! Filled with a bunch of real information!
Thank you! And I would say 12. And that will little highway driving.
Endless Wishlist that's not bad! I have a stock 6.0 l76 in my 09 1500 and I've been getting 13.6mpg for the two years I've had it. Your videos have helped drastically. I'm ordering the BTR TRUCK STAGE III CAM 218/224 .553"/.553" 113+3 tomorrow. It's my daily driver/work truck. The DOD system got me and have two bad lifters so figured do a little upgrade while I'm at it. Any advice or wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
Yea that’s a perfect time to upgrade. Are you deleting the dod? I would. I would hate to have to pull everything bad apart for 2 more lifters down the road.
Endless Wishlist yeah I have the the cam kit, DOD delete, and vvt delete kit with the ls7 lifters and beehive spings plus a bunch more stuff in cart at BTR! Just going to call them in the morning to make sure I have the right stuff picked out before I order. Going to send the heads off for work next Monday so should only be a couple weeks before it's going. I'll definitely post a video! Do you know your whp?
Hell yea dude. Definitely post a video. I want to see it! I don’t know my whp but when I get my heads done I’m going to have it dyno tuned so I’ll know then haha
What's your investment in cam springs converter ect
Cam, springs, and converter will be about $1k. Don't forget about fluids, seals, pushrods, tune etc. Depending on your mileage might want to get timing gear/chain, lifters and oil pump. Inspect your rockers too!
Did you increase line pressure or add shift kit ?
I put in a corvette servo. No idea about line pressure. I had a shop tune it
@@EndlessWishlist usually with that addition your tuner will do some wot line increase and make your Trans shift faster, good ass tuner what it seems like
Sounds like you need to get a car or a lowered 2wd, any youngsters out there that want their truck to still be a truck which means it has low in power can still pull a trailer, 4wheelin not a race truck absolutely do not put a 3 Grand stall in it unless you're running hevey tractor tires. Until you try everything you just don't know I'm just trying to help. If this doesn't make sense. go for it. enjoy. to each their own, keep in mind if you're going to make that big heavy truck build like a bracket car, get the biggest brakes you can find in a parachute for your daily;)
What do you recommend for a 2003 Chevy silvarado stall?
I have only had this one. So I don’t think I’m qualified to give a recommendation. But I do love this one.
Endless Wishlist is the stall necessary? I want one but don’t have the money to get both at the same still
If the cam is big then yes. You will lose low end power with a big cam and a stock torque converter
Endless Wishlist what stall would be good for a 228R 228/228 600”/.600” cam
I would just email circle D or whatever brand you are looking at. They can help you a lot more than I could
Truck is a beast. What kind of Honda do you own?
Oh shoot it’s just a 2003 civic. It’s my fiancé’s old car. I just use it to drive to work.
Endless Wishlist Thats a good vehicle. I write service for a Honda dealer.
Yea it’s been very reliable. It has 225,000 miles and gets 34 mpg.
Endless Wishlist Yup and its not a hybrid.....dont have to worry about the IMA battery going out.
I realize that the 6.0 doesn’t rev as high as the 4.8
What kinda still can I put in my 5.3 Silverado with a 4L60
A cheap route is a torque converter from a 4.2L trail blazer.
How did you get a trans temp gauge on a 1500?
I got the cluster out of a Denali.
Endless Wishlist ohh nice, so the trans temp sensor and wire is already there and all you have to do is plug it into the denali cluster?...and also the speedo goes up to 120 in the Denali cluster, is that also just plug and play?
Yup you don’t have to do anything. Just put the cluster in.
looks like you live in the tricities?
Nevada actually
High stall is the cheap way ($500) to make a lifted truck quicker without regearing it. But you DESTROY your MPG because your rpms are alot higher. For a daily driver, spend the money and just swap your ring and pinion to 1-2 steps lower geared than what stock would be.... its actually better results but does costs 4 times as much without ruining your mpg as bad. Proper gears for the tire ratio will be quicker (and a little easier on your mpg) than just a high stall...But if you have a lifted/cammed hot rod? Sure. Put the stall in it. Good video though and like the build. 👍
Gears were the first thing I did after I lifted it. I put the stall in when I swapped the 6.0
Cool 😎😎😎 shit bro