The Grille Trend that Kills 509 People per Year
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Why are newer pickup trucks killing so many pedestrians, cyclists and motorcyclists? We set aside politics and emotional attachment to look at the data underpinning the issue.
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It's funny how pop up headlights, ultra low cars etc are banned for being "unsafe" but these monsters are allowed to exist.
Cuz lobbying made light-duty trucks "essential"
How can we deliver this message to the government?
in what way are stanced cars “unsafe” 😭😭
@@villiam2696the government does what the car manufacturers want.
@@tiddybearkush Can we press on them? As citizens.
Ok but the fact that Ryan can stand inside an engine bay _with the engine still in it_ proves how ridiculous the issue it.
I know - that thing needs v12
He can do that because this ram is equpied with multiple different size engines that use the same frame, body etc. With the largest engine available on this vehicle he would not be able to do that
My old c10 can probably fit a family of 4 under the hood with the larger than factory engine in it. But it also doesn't have all the creature comforts we all enjoy nowadays. No A/C, no power brakes, no power steering, no modem safety features outside of the 3 point seat belts for 2 of the three seating positions.
Only this is not true. Open the hood of any truck and try to find a place to stand without removing parts.
its a v6 dummy
95% of truck users in the states don’t use their truck bed.
Hey, they are very busy hauling all that air
Source for that made up stat?
99% of CZcams comment stats are fake
@@rpm2dayg648Experience brother. I live in TN and I never see huge brand new trucks with ANYTHING in their beds. At most, they have their Gator on a small flatbed trailer that they haul around for no reason. I usually see small old trucks actually hauling stuff around.
@@rpm2dayg648Found the lifted truck driver
We can change the design, but we can't change the fragile egos of the people who desire this.
We also can't stop idiots from having bad opinions. 102,000 people a year accidentally poison themselves, or someone else and this video is trying too hard to sensationalize 500 deaths from supposedly not bouncing off a grill the right way, and haters in the comments eating it up without even trying to put it in perspective.
Nailed it
how do they have fragile egos mate.
@@80serieslandcruiserthere are some going around in the comments, look around and you will find their butthurt arguments defending it
@@80serieslandcruiserBecause most people buy these new huge trucks to APPEAR as though they do hard work, when in reality, they are pavement princesses and they don’t want to scratch the bed on their new Denali. People who actually do hard work don’t feel the need to buy a brand new truck lifted from factory.
We need to think outside the box. The answer is stilts for pedestrians and 32 inch wheels for motorcycles.
lol. You should take that idea to the shark tank show.
or perhaps, inspector gadget extendable legs for pedestrians. Go Go gadget legs!
@@mrsgpeterson855 Like a airbag but instead of protecting the hit it yeets you into the air when a collision is imminent 😂
How about adding an automatic braking system, forbid seat belts and airbags inside.
Use a plasma torch to cut the back out of an old bank safe. Install 4 of the strongest caster wheels on a thick square plywood board with a big hole. Get some burly blokes to lift the safe onto the board on its open back. Now jump in the door side and you can cross the road in your safe suit of armor. Heavy to push but at least you can get some vengeance on any vehicle that strikes you.
Lest we forget that about 50% of truck owners feel the need to lift their truck even more
So?
@@wvjeepguy8178 So? More change of being run over as a pedestrian or cyclist, which is quite unhealthy/ deadly.
@@mardiffv.8775 watch where you're going and be aware of your surroundings at all times. Also, the far majority of the country is not cities where that that is even a common concern. Quit trying to project your victimhood on to the rest of us.
@@wvjeepguy8178you can at least watch the video before commenting.
@@wvjeepguy8178 Victim blaming. Classic.
I’m always gonna be a sedan person. Lower to the ground means low chance of roll over, take corners faster, accelerate quicker, better aerodynamics, better fuel economy.
This.
Low ground clearance means useless it rains you are fucked, it snows you are fucked, the road get shittier you are fucked the more the ground clearance the better just give me a body on frame rwd car with enounght ground clearance to ride on dirt roads.
@@HIDHIFDB *Lower* to the ground, meaning closer to the ground than an SUV or truck generally is. Not the same as a low-riding car. Try reading more carefully next time.
Easier to park and cheaper too.
@@HIDHIFDB It's actually embarrassing how your entire argument is road conditions and then you opt for the drivetrain that is the worst for driving in anything but dry, clear roads. Even FWD is better than RWD in the rain and snow.
Big vehicles might be slightly safer in the case of a crash, but they're also more prone to collisions and roll overs in the first place, since them being bigger also means they're less agile and harder to slow down.
Additionally their occupants safety comes at the expense of other vehicles. Larger vehicles are only safer when hitting smaller vehicles (or sufficiently pushable objects).
Slightly safer? You need to rewatch it. They are significantly safer for the occupants.
@@danreich4320 at the expense of everyone else. They’re safer because when an object twice the mass hits another the lower mass object has twice the change in velocity.
@@dalemoses2443 of course, the smaller vehicle is going to take the brunt of the impact. So what I said is true, the people occupying the larger vehicle are going to be substantially better off than the people in the smaller vehicle. Simple physics, everything elsebeing equal.
@@dalemoses2443 Not necessarily even in a single veh crash think about how a large veh and its occupants are more likely to roll/crash over a waist high barrier/obstacle or debris/landslide rock. Also all that hood zone would lead to a very large crumple/impact spreading zone compared to a car with a much smaller impact/crumple zone and low ride height. in a small tight engine bay against a large tree the space between front of vech/engineblock/driver is greatly decreased. Whereas in a large long hooded vech with lots of engine space you have far more impulse/crumple zone to absorb and deflect the impact.
The fact that you can stand INSIDE the front of that car is WILD.
You must not have been around cars from the 50s-70s!
I thought he was greenscreened in until I saw the end
I can stand on the front axle (with the fan and shroud removed) of my 2nd Gen Dodge and work on the engine. It is glorious! Square body Chevy's are even better. You can sit cross legged on the fender wells and do spark plugs or carburetor work.
you can do that in a volvo 740 to
Wild, no. Pathetic, yes.
Also the headlamps are way higher now so to blind every pedestrian or motorist.
Yes. It is fucking annoying. Low bems is now high bems
they need add a cargo ship horn to those cars so beside blinding people they can also make them deaf
That's the purpose for the (obnoxious) owner. Get people out of the way, scare em and never to use brakes unless destination is reached.
yes, agreed, its nice to have good lights, but not when they are frying everyone else's eyes out. dimmer lights would make people drive SLOWER, and no one wants to do THAT...
Yes. I have a low car and learned to absolutely despise truck owners. Most of them are just to stupid to adjust their lights. Adding LEDs bright as the sun has made that even worse. Some people just seem to thing, that turning their beams up make them see more, which isn't just an absolute false statement, it also blinds everyone not sitting 3 meters above the road.
I don't know why they want searchlights for planes in front of their cars, but it seems they are just assholes.
I still can't believe the Lexus LC had to "blow up" its hood because it was too low for pedestrian safety but our regulations are fine with tanks rolling around. Do we have absolute idiots making these laws? (Yes we do, why did I even ask)
That probably was because there was to little space between the hood and the engine. Not because it was to low.
4 years ago i watched a lifted Dodge Ram Quad cab Roll up to the right turn at a red and do a rolling stop, slamming right into an elderly East indian woman who was about 4ft5 tall, he almost kept going becuase he didnt feel, see or hear anything. she had the right of way and thankfully my fiancee and i were there to stop him, and the car behind him was a Nurse just off shift.
This happened in Surrey BC king George and 108 in Surrey, he was turning towards the bridge leaving whalley.
Is she okay?
imagine walking in front of a huge vehicle where you cant see the eyes of the driver... when i was a kid i was taught "if you cant see the driver, he cant see you". this was how you kept kids from walking under the blind spot of a truck NOT mandating that all trucks have a hood height limit lol. ffs do we not already have too many stupid rules and regulations "for public safety" ?????
teach your kid not to walk in the street. lol attempting to make the cars "more survivable" seems so stupid when you could simply teach people not to walk in the street.... ugh
@@__shiftythat what the arm on the school bus is for!!!!
I think it's hilarious that we cant have flip up headlights because "We cant have anything sharp on the hood" meanwhile we're allowed to drive around 4x4 battering rams.
Edit: didnt realize someone made this comment already, sorry.
The fact that popups got regulated out of existing is sad. They look so cool!
they are deliberately moved to different category, where public safety and environment doesn't count any more..
@@roflBeck Exactly, it strikes hard that I've missed an opportunity to buy such car when the prices were still reasonable.
Try hauling horse trailers with a sedan
@@slapshotjack9806don’t misunderstand. Utility vehicles will always need to exist, they just need to be designed better. Take a look at the Falcon Ute, a full size bed, but with a long, low front like a car.
The front bumper visibility on an M1 Abrams is better than any full-size truck in production. We did it boys!
America! Fuck Yeah! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That's because the driver in an M1 Abrams is considered to be sacrificial.
If America really CARED about it's tank crewmen, they'd use something more like the Merkava, which is designed to sacrifice literally everything to keep crew alive. Even the engine doubles as armour.
@@Skorpychan You must be r3tad3d to say that an M1 abrams sacrifices more the driver than a pickup truck.... You're literally comparing this in te context of the previous comment an this video...
Except it's sloped to send you down under the tank. Hopefully, not rolling you directly into the treads.
****Laughs in Right-Side M3 Bradley Roadkill****
I absolutely didn't expect this much quality from a CZcams video.
This feels like it has the quality of an hour long special episode but it's an 8 minute youtube video, this is insane
More people need to see this! The Grills and hooddesigns in the last few years are becoming more and more ridiculous. These trucks do not have more ground clearance nore more room in the engine bay than older generations. They just decided to make the front ends higher for the sake of "better looks". And so they decreased saftey and aerodynamics....
The people who buy those trucks, do not care about anybody else
wahhh
I was hit by a small car going 45mph as a pedestrian 25 years ago. Was scooped up, smashed the grill, hood, and front windshield before rolling back off. I walked away with just f'd up ankles and knees for a while, but realized that it would have been very different if hit by a jeep or suv at the same speed.
𝔞 jeep is 𝔞 suv
Very similar story here was hit by a car that was going around 30 in a 15 mph area with no headlights at 6am and it struck me as i was walking across a crosswalk because they were more focused on being late for work and didn't notice me. When they struck me with their small car i rolled into the hood, completely obliterated their windshield and rolled off the roof on my back. Still recovering now as this was only a month ago and they really fucked up my back
Maybe don't jump in front of a vehicle 😂😂
It would have been very different if you were hit by a bus too. It's an interesting thing to consider, but really has no weight in a discussion about trucks supposedly being unsafe...
102,000 people die every year from accidental poisoning, 45,000 from trip--n-falls, but this video trying to make a big deal out of 500 deaths from people not bouncing off a car the right way is just ridiculous clickbait for people that won't question anything.
@@ob1coyote I simply offered my own anecdotal experience, that is DIRECTLY related to the video's points. You're a little slow, ey? Whether a hood is a wedge or flat and high like a wall makes a huge difference to pedestrian survivability is the entire point of the video.
Lower front height = lower headlight placement. It's getting worse and worse every year with brighter lights mounted higher. It's such a nice feeling being above the cutoff for the beam when you're in a tall car, but whenever I'm driving my wagon it's hell.
Then the Truck Bros install "Leveling Kits" to raise up the front end stance, making it worse again.
Worse still, people lift their vehicles but then never readjust the beams :/
@@jjrneptuneNO ADJUSTMENT FIXES THE ADDED HEIGHT.
@@Mr00Ted I’m well aware. That’s not my point however. I think we can both agree that added height is a problem for many reasons, but also specifically for headlights. An extension of this problem is that people who lift their vehicles do not often make the “proper” adjustments to their headlights. Let’s think about this, given a vehicle of a certain height, is it preferable for that vehicle to not adjust its headlights or is it preferable for them to be adjusted? I think we’d both pick the ladder. Now I think we’d also agree that we’d prefer for the vehicle to have not been lifted in the first place, but that’s a separate issue.
@@jjrneptune
As someone that spent years of nighttime commuting in rural counties rife with these trucks while in a car, there was NEVER a LED-equipped pickup truck that wasn't eye scorching.
For lights at even a stock F150's level to not-eye-fucking, they'd have to be pointed into the ground to the point that they're mostly illuminating the over-hood-blind zone.
I wish they would lower hood and grille lines on trucks simply so that they're easier to work on. It's a pain in the ass to try and reach anywhere into an engine bay that starts damn near your armpits
lol armpits???? my guy are you 5 foot even?
And with bigger grilles come bigger responsibilities, Ehm I mean bigger headlights. Here in Texas, the Ford F250 is the worst, and the jacked-up versions are even worse. With so much grille real estate, the lighting designers decided to fill the space with the biggest and brightest LED lights they could fit on. Even during the day, the lights are super bright and distracting. Imagine one of those coming towards you or behind you at night. It is like pointing a searchlight into eyes and back mirrors of other drivers.
"And with bigger grilles come bigger responsibilities" Love it. Sounds like a Weber or Traeger advert!
There is an unspoken benefit to this proposal: No more crazy high front lights that blind you through your rear view mirrors as it can also cause them to lower the light heights.
Those LEDs are criminal
I fitted a mirror film curtain in the back of my car for that reason, the cars behind backed off !
@@gbone7581That is genius. I'm stealing this.
@@gbone7581 You must link me to this product. It is a gift from God, and I would like to procure it.
@@gbone7581sounds perfect for reminding people you don't need brights on if cars aren't but a few feet infront of you
Had a dude in a lifted dodge ram rear end me in my Miata in stop and go traffic. Guy's argument was he couldn't see me, even sent a picture to the insurance agency with a full size modern civic in front of his truck and wasn't able to see it from the inside.
I hope he paid your repair bill and lost his license.
@@eurosonly You don't lose your license for something that minor
average lifted Dodge ram owner
@@redtra236gross negligence is a good reason to revoke a license
@@bradpittman3821 Accidentally bumping into someone and causing a minor accident isn't really "gross negligence". Even if it is in your mind I think revoking licenses on the spot for small mistakes is way too harsh.
Pretty good video, one omission though is that larger vehicules also usually have longer braking distances. This means that everything else being equal the larger vehicule will strike the pedestrian with more speed
This is something I've wondered about. I've looked for stats on it with no luck, but I'm curious about how the size of a vehicle relates to the likelihood of being involved in a collision. I'll accept that in a larger vehicle, the occupants are less likely to be injured in a collision, but if those collisions are more likely to occur are the occupants any safer?
Agreed wholeheartedly about braking distance and the speed at the moment of collision. I'd go further and add that visibility and maneuverability are also factors.
@@GeodesicGarden Consumer Reports has done a study and unsurprisingly vehicule size/category is directly correlated to braking distance. At 60 moh, it goes from 120ft for sporty cars to 143ft for large SUVs. In my experience, large car owners also tend to drive on the shitt*est f*ing tires because they tend to either not have the money for good tires (which to be fair are way more expensive on big cars) or be overconfident in the capabilities of their vehicle. Visibility and maneuvrabiltiy are definitely contributing factors too.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but IMO driving a SUV because it's safer is akin to having a loaded gun in your nightstand
@@felixbelanger2659I wonder how EVs' added weight will also impact pedestrian safety. Will their shorter height counteract the added momentum?
@@ChiasmMarksTheSpot good question! At the end of the day, more mass means more inertia and you still only have 4 little contact points with the road which are often the limiting factor in terms of braking distance... I would expect the typically lower CG and better weight distribution of EVs to be beneficial though!
Everyone trying to justify the need for excessively large trucks is comical.
To many, their trucks are just status symbols; security blankets.
75% of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70% of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35% of truck owners use their truck for hauling-putting something in the bed, once a year or less.
My cage is a stock Honda civic, and when I sit in traffic the average new truck has a front bumper height at roughly my head level in the car. That means if one of those t- bones me, the only thing between that bumper and my head is a B pillar and some glass.
I've been saying for years I hate this trend of huge/ useless vehicles that take up so much space just to haul around an empty 8ft box.
lol like 5 percent have a proper 8ft box most have 5.5’ boxes.
Eh, cry on. Everyone has their ideas of what should be, only Karen's try to control what people should want. Because some doofus drives a car, why should others make room for him? You make your choices and leave others alone is how it should be. But hey I guess some people (not necessarily meaning you, just talking about losers iv seen in general) just love whining for more restrictions on everyone's lives cuz they've got nothing better to do.
"and when I sit in traffic the average new truck has a front bumper height at roughly my head level in the car"
It probably isn't. Bumper heights are regulated. 28 inches has been the maximum since 2007, and that's for a one ton truck. Lighter trucks are required to have lower bumpers.
@@tommygunn3369 Bro is out here defending motorcyclist killing machines lmao. Literally everyone in the world, except America and the occasional oddball in Europe thinks these trucks are really, really stupid. It isn't even about practicality anymore, a 90s pickup has just as much room in it's bed.
Also the people who buy these trucks and try to act all might with them, are astonishingly stupid. People who don't get that driving a tank on wheels isn't ok don't deserve to drive on public roads.
@@wisenber I live in the same region as Ryan, and let me tell you, if there is actually a regulation on bumper height, there is absolutely zero enforcement of it. There are a LOT of lifted trucks outside the downtown core.
one thing that really ticks me off with high grilles is that the electric trucks coming out today don't need to kill more people - they have a front trunk up there, and could easily slope and lower the grille to improve safety.
But they don't - the f150 lighting, cybertruck, rivian r1t, and hummer ev all sill have massive front ends despite the fact that it's empty space up there
And that empty space is a selling point!
Their ability to carry more stuff is more important than other people's safety
One other problem is the buyers of these trucks: Their ego is bigger than the truck and there's never enough space in the truck to store it.
Some EV's are built into the bodies of existing vehicles to save money on mass production and 20 years of legal red tape to get them on the road.
Look at the Ford Ranger EV of the 2000's - small pickup as is.
Emissions standards are major reason why truck chassis are much larger than they were before as well. Has to do with how "wheelbase" is calculated and how vehicles are categorized. If you want smaller trucks go write some angry letters to the state govt of California.
@@pickelsvx longer wheelbase doesn't mean you have to make them taller.
And, no, you shouldn't blame emissions standards, manufacturers have put almost no effort into improving the emissions and efficiency of trucks and SUV's.
Driving to work has increasingly becoming more dangerous too being dazzled by high positioned low beam headlights. If you're driving that truck or suv, you might as well have your high beams on all the time because that's how it looks for everybody who's not behind your steering wheel.
No its all vehicles not just trucks. I shouldn't be blinded by the motorcycle across the light from me 3 lanes over but that's where we are now. I have a truck btw.
@@Darkerfoxtech Sure, ideally you shouldn't be dazzled by anybody's low beams. But since when are motorcycle low beam set high enough to do that? That hasn't been the trend although I admit there are fools who throw HIDs into housings made for halogens sometimes. It's not like I'm in an ultra low sports car or anything. I'm driving a van an sitting pretty high already. It's just getting ridiculous.
@SophiepTran last few years. Newer models arnt made with the lights pointing down. Same is true for other vehicles. It's not just the after market stuff either.
@@Darkerfoxtech I can only speak of what I have experience with. My CBR500R has one side dipped and other high. The reflector is what determines the beam angle in my ride. As for newer or custom models, it's equally daft to not consider this safety issue. Especially as motorcyclists who should be extra careful about these safety issues.
@@Darkerfoxtech I can only speak of what I have experience with. My CBR500R has one side dipped and other high. The reflector is what determines the beam angle in my ride. As for newer or custom models, it's equally daft to not consider this safety issue. Especially as motorcyclists who should be extra careful about these safety issues.
Just as bad, is the elevated headlight position of these moosey suv's and pickups. The headlights on these sumo's is typically right at the top of the roofline on my small car, and blinding in the mirrors. A law needs to be passed to limit both headlight and grill heights on these vehicles produced to no more than 3 feet off the ground at the tops of the headlights and grills. Any vehicles not meeting that standard should be recalled and modified to meet that standard at automaker/owner expense.
That’s why in America we are concerned with vertical jump. It’s not for sport, we just need to get over peoples hoods
Checking oil in an f250 is an athlete job now.
@@TheBasil36 -first remove the spare tire, use as a step stool, checks coolant, reinstall spare
If you can get onto the hood you stand a better chance against the windscreen.
Ah, someone must have seen Chanse be delusional about jumping over a car
@@TheBasil36 Thats ford for you.....
Truck height has got so ridiculous that the tailgates are now doubling as a staircase.
It’s like the manufacturers created a problem so they could create an option to fix it, then charge you more for it. Actually, I am pretty sure that’s what they did.
Put a hard tonneau cover on my truck so it could double as a lift from time to time.
People who don't like government regulation are usually the ones there to put in the loopholes, like weaker light truck standards and an exemption above 6500 pounds. Regardless, these things wouldn't sell if there weren't a class of buyer who thought they were cool, who'd tell you all about the free-market.
Some trucks do have built in steps
Hey, that was already fixed in Lamb LM002 half a century ago!
the vitriol against large vehicles is NOT misplaced lmfao it has to do with the drivers of the vehicles and the fact that they go over some street weight limits, literally causing issues for the entire community. i cannot count the number of trucks on florida highways that have gotten overly aggressive for literally no reason, tailgating as close as possible, flashing lights, revving their engines, all for no real reason because 9 times out of 10 we were simply in traffic.
Nice information. Will remember this if I ever speak to a large pickup truck owner. Here in the Netherlands people import these. One of those clowncars was parked in the lot in front of my apartment. About 2/3 of the length of the truck could actually fit in the parking space.
Honestly i appreciate this fresh take! Although now i feel more jipped that lawmakers restricted popup headlights cuz "pedestrian safety," but gave these massive grilles a pass.
BRING BACK THE POPUP HEADLIGHTS!!!
That the US government for you. Good intentions, but always does a half measure to keep lobbyists happy leading to a net worse outcome than before.
And drop the height of pickup truck hoodlines! Lower and wider ( if needed) is safer for everyone
Popup headlights went away because of headlight height rules, at least for the US market. You are correct that the European market caused this change for pedestrian safety, just not the case here in the US.
Yeah and so many great sports car designs have been ruined with tall hoods
Which is why the Cybertruck, and other American trucks, can't be sold in Europe because they wouldn't pass the stringent pedestrian safety regulations.
Good. Keep them out of here
because landrovers are so pedestrian safe.
Unfortunately we still have a lot of bullshit cars around here, like Range Rovers, Land Rovers, those ridiculous monster trucks called Mercedes GLE and GLS, BMW X5, X6, XM (wtf?) and Audi Q5, Q7, Q8
There's also a much smaller market in Europe. Most people who could use trucks just end up buying vans (especially for work) because they are more fuel efficient, more secure storage and can off road well enough for work sites.
Also, europe doesn't do any work, thus has no need for work trucks.
As a large SUV driver. I can confirm that I've been in some very nasty crashes and only survived because of my truck being so large. But being a trucker as well I'm also one of the most passive drivers on the road. So can't speak about the "angry suv driver" stereotype
I know I´m late to the party, but the main issue that keeps pickups and SUVs growing is the stupid EPA regulation. The larger the vehicle the more fuel it is allowed to burn. Since its very difficult to achieve the super low consumption rates mandated for smaller cars the manufacturers are just building big vehicles that they can actually get certified. Drop this stupid rule, allow cars to use however many mpgs the manufacturer feels is good and I assure you within the year you will hear announcements for small trucks (early 2000s small).
We need a part 2 where you explain how the epa's regulation of emissions based on a vehicle's footprint (track width x wheelbase) incentivizes larger vehicles and makes smaller trucks and suvs nearly impossible to make without large fines to the manufacturer.
and also how it was those manufacturers lobbyists that pushed that regulation in that direction
Exactly. People complain about these vehicles, but this is what manufacturers push out in the US because they are incentivized to do so! Blame the root of the problem.
What happened?
"We can't get the emissions low enough so we'll make it longer and wider so at least we can say it's 'good for its size' "
@@Crash2453637No they didn't. They resisted CAFE which destroyed the US car industry. And they wouldn't have anything to lobby if the EPA didn't give them a lever to pull in the first place.
YES! Thank you for bringing up that point!
I helped a guy trying to add power steering fluid outside Canadian Tire. His truck had electric power steering. We were peering over the grill at chest level, and there was almost nothing in the huge space. The engine looked lost! It’s a crazy situation.
Well a lot of trucks are sporting smaller engines thanks to turbocharging, some older trucks were legitimately cramped for space under the hood with a big v8, and people whined all the time about not being able to reach qnuthing or work on it without disassembling half the front end. Now they have the exact opposite problem.
@@hzuiel I guess some room to get your hands dirty isn''t so bad, it's just that the majority of modern day truck owners don't actually have a practical use for trucks the size of the ones today, and they definitely don't get their hands dirty!
@@hzuielBut where large engines are necessity and practicality is needed - semitrucks - the trend is not towards bigger hoods, but lesser slopes and better visibility.
I'm unconvinced that a F-150 with the front-end of a Transit wouldn't be more practical - longer bed - but people just want the macho looks. The engines are not all that different, so much of the engine bay in the F150 must be wasted space.
I've seen some of the sub-compact trucks and vans that are used outside of North America (Europe, Latin America) and they are more practical and useful than most pickups and SUVs, despite being even a bit smaller in size. It is actually stupid how useless some pickups are, with cabs that are as big as the actual bed.
Sure, you extended bed and wide bed variants that are quite handy, but most have pathetically small beds that can't even carry shit. Then again, it's not like most people use the beds at all to begin with. But those European or Japanese vans and small trucks just look practical af.
@@AirShark95I’m working at a Ford dealership, and the European version of the pickup is basically a Ford transit with a massive open bed. I could probably fit my car on one of them
(Google Ford transit flatbed)
The fact that I got an ad in the middle of this video for a giant Nissan SUV is hilarious 😭
Another thing worth noting about the obsession with trucks is many of them are so massive now they no longer fit in traditional parking spaces.
The biggest problem is the retina burning headlights. It takes up to a minute to recover after oncoming traffic that uses these retina burning, eye sight killing stupid bright headlights.
Wear blue blockers, it's the only way to drive at night now without ruining your eyesight.
@@erikahuxley tried that, but they don't help. I just quit driving after dark all together.
I'm going to quit driving at night because of the crazy modern headlights, not worth it anymore 🚛
These are also not regulated. I hope that will change soon. I hate them so badly.
That's a whole other arms race. Xeon headlights were bad enough. But some of these LEDs are like looking into the sun.
My boss drives a 2001 F350 every day, and it’s smaller than my other coworker’s Ram. Genuinely strange seeing an F350 and thinking it’s reasonably sized
Lol some day one of these things is gonna kill me in my little 90s japanese econobox
@@roboticunclephilYeah and a lot of the people who drive them drive like assholes because they know they can just run over your car.
sounds like your boss and coworker are cool guys
my 2003 sierra 1500 is smaller than newer colorados and mavericks, which are supposed to be "small" trucks.
Ryan is one of a kind, every time i watch a fortnine video i can be sure it has not only entertaining but also sicentific value, using logistic regression to show the correlation between grill hight and death probability, i love it becaus its not a feelt fact, u cant argue with sience, at least not on this fundamental level.
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Whats funny is that "most SUV/Pickup drivers are assholes" is not subjective, another channel literally conducted a couple tests and the data showed they choose to ignore animals on the road, and sometimes go out of their way to run them over, way more than any other car instead of avoiding them.
Source?
There are channels on CZcams that have concludef that the Earth is flat....
Gonna need a more reliable source...
*concluded
@charlesbrown4483 it was mark Rober. I don't remember what the video was titled, but you can probably look it up yourself.
@@Dr.Tropen Truck front ends have been flat literally forever, in fact, they’re more rounded now today than ever. So if they’re bad now, we should get trucks from the 70’s back, right?
The irony is that the NHTSA has regulations (at least, it used to) that force minimum roof heights in the name of "pedestrian safety".
This is the fundamental reason for this shit. People tumbling over low hoods accounted for more pedestrian deaths than those simply hitting the front and bouncing off.
@@Pheonixco I think the big difference is the speed involved.
Yea, I was very suprised he did not mention it. BMW specifically had to redesign all of their cars to have higher, more blunt grills
@@spldrong Same thing with the '05 GT40
I'm sure they don't apply to trucks. The "Big Three" have always skirted safety and fuel mileage regulations by building trucks instead of cars. That's why they never bothered to, really, try to compete in the sedan market but simply caved to the imports. Pathetic.
New trucks are way oversized. I am a contractor and use my vehicle for work everyday. I use a van for a lot of reasons but line of sight is one. Also the beds are so high on the new pickups, I know guys who need ladders to get into them. Pickups from the 80s that were actually made to work out of, had very lower easily accessible beds.
As someone who's on the shorter side, that's a big reason why I prefer older stock height pickups for work. The new ones are twice as huge and the blind spots are terrible. I can see so much more out of my 89 Chevy C1500 than a 2024 Silverado 1500.
I remember a bunch of years back, having a low trunk sill was actually something marketing put in car adds for normal cars because it is something people cared about as it made their life easier.
These trucks are oversized shit boxes and are not meant to be used for actual work. That's why you use a van.
In Europe we don't really have pick ups, our car buyers aren't (yet) as stupid as the American ones.
If you need a pickup, you buy a 'Pritschenwagen', basically a van with a pickup bed on the back. They are meant to work, not for driving kids to school.
That's the thing: they're not work vehicles. They're fashion accessories now. Look at the SUV, that's where they're heading - they'll drop the body-on-frame resilience, 4WD, fat tyres, et al because you'll only be meant to drive them to Starbucks.
The fact that Ram, Ford, and GM started selling their 'Murrican "pickups" in Australia has not been good for anyone, since this start in the 2010s when local industry fold - and when grilles started getting ultra-stupid.
I cannot see much of the point of those trucks, since we had a longer tradition of mid-sized, normally Japanese, work trucks. Hilux. D-Max. Triton. BT-50. Navara. And, of course, the legendary 70-Series Landcruisers. And yes, these have gotten bigger over the years (my Rodeo pales next to a D-Max), but still, not stupid huge like the American trucks which just seem big for big's sake.
Side by side...eh. The American ones' trays (beds) aren't that much bigger - they are, however - much higher and hard to use. You can't see jack out of them, and they literally don't fit in our parking spaces - most park over two spaces.
For the last year, my daily driver has been a 1996 4WD Daihatsu Hijet Japanese mini truck that I imported. I'm amazed at how practical it is. It's a *REAL* work truck and they're much less expensive. It's not good for towing but it has the cargo capacity of my previous full size Tacoma and the bed is actually a bit larger, and with a lower bed so it's easier to load, with no wheel wells poking into the bed making it difficult to carry sheet goods like drywall, and with a tailgate and bed sides that easily fold down or can be removed. Double the engine displacement to 1200 cc for better acceleration and these kei trucks would be ideal US work trucks. I made four 25 mile trips with the bed heaped full of freshly cut very dense water maple firewood - probably 1100 pounds per load. I piled brush ten feet over the bed, used nylon straps to cinch it down even with the top of the cab, threw a strap around the limbs hanging eight feet out the back of the bed to keep them from dragging on the road, tied a red flag to the back of the load and drove 20 miles to the compost pad at the dump... after crawling out of my back yard and up the 45 degree side yard, on a narrow path no US pickup would fit. The tiny Hijet can make a 180 degree turn in a wide US two lane road and it's a dream to maneuver and park.
I appreciate that you guys took the effort to find a paper and went into the statistics of it
The more I drive the more I'm tired of these oversized vehicles.
I was trying to take a turn onto a busy road and couldn't even see past this Silverado unless I put half my car into the road.
They are dangerous for more than just collisions, visibility is a huge issue. For both the people around them and for the operator themselves.
I have a surreal first-hand anecdote to add to this statistic.
In November of 2019 I was struck head-on by a light blue Dodge 1500 while driving my 2017 Street Triple R while going 55mph~
I had to be air-lifted to a shock-trauma center and nurses had informed my emergency contact it didn't look good.
Anyways years of PT and sheer luck and a helmet I bought cuz of one of Fortnines videos, I am here to continue raising my two kids.
But the driver of said Dodge 1500 told cops "I couldn't see him over my hood".
Oof
Cool story bro. Life goes on... or it doesn't. Your a victim of your own decisions.
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Disastrous take dude
@@YDfC21actual delusion
@@YDfC21 you got issues
maybe you should have been paying more attention? if you were hit head on by any vehicle at that speed while on a motorcycle you would have had the same issue.....the fact that you say you were "driving" a motorcycle automatically discredits you in my opinion, you must not have been every experienced if you use the term "driving" when you are talking about operating a motorcycle. I have been riding motorcycles for 35 years and never had an accident, I have been driving trucks for just as long and also have never had an accident.
Pickup trucks in general are far less useful than they used to be. A stock basic F150 longbed bedside height around 5' up means very few people can actually touch the floor of the bed standing flat footed next to the truck. We have removed functionality for aesthetics and psychology.
I feel like this is the single most ignored problem with tall trucks! It doesn’t matter how big the bed is if you can’t even reach your shit, let alone lift anything in or out of it
And it's our fault for wanting against our benefits
Also, most pickups sold today are crew cabs with microbeds.
@@NeilHodgesI swear I don’t even know if I’ve seen a modern body style Ram, F-150, Silverado, or Tundra with a single cab. It’s like single cabs don’t even exist anymore
Just like patched harleys, these trucks are huge to boost ego, not practicality. If practicality is in the equation, kei trucks should've been the choice in the first place. Highly versatile, huge bed with drop down walls and rear gate, very simple small but powerful engine for work, indestructible, and best milage for trucks.
I'm 6' tall and have a 2020 4x4 Tahoe. I love it, but it is ridiculous how high the front ends have become. My dad has a 2020 Silverado 4x4 and he's 5"11" and we both have to use a step stool to check the oil in our trucks. I literally can't reach it standing on the ground.
Thank you! Very informative... and entertaining!
Complete joke that pop-up headlights are banned because of safety reasons but walls driving into you are completely okay.
Large grills cannot be good for aerodynamics and fuel economy. They also suck while offroading because it's hard to see obstacles unless you jack the seat up towards the roof of the vehicle. Large grills also look stupid.
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yes, but majority of people that buys them, do that because of the grill and overall rambo design. and if it makes money, they will find a way, to cheat with law loopholes mentioned earlier. funny, how nobody makes a fuss about this after all that vw "scandals" etc..
People, at least some of them doesn't judge by rationality, only by showing off
A lot of guys never mature past the typical teenage boy mentality. Sad but true
You obviously don’t know a thing about cars
*....a rolling billboard for the maker.*
Well said mate. These monstrous grilles make my stomach ache!
The most insane development of this as of yet is - in my opinion - Cadillac's new "Escalade IQ". An all electric version of the Cadillac Escalade ESV.
Now the Escalade ESV is 5,70m long (~224 inches) and as a 6.2L V8 4WD version has a curb weight of ~2.7 metric tons or ~5952lbs. Already pretty crazy.
But the Escalade IQ - in order to have any meaningful range - comes with a 200Kwh battery and you can imagine how heavy such a battery is. Curb weight of the Escalade IQ? Nearly 4 metric tons or ~8800lbs.
But but but.... it's electric and good for the environment
I was struck by a Chevy avalanche while I was in a crosswalk, I got launched because I wasn’t dead center in front. Deputy was with me at the hospital saying if I was any closer to the center I would’ve gone under the truck. It’s horrifying to think about sometimes.
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"But no it's those reckless e-scooter riders! That's what's responsible for all the deaths on the road!"
Question:
How did you come to be in the path of the Chevy Avalanche?
@@iFixJunk I was setting up traffic cone, two are put within the crosswalk itself and i occupied it while the street was vacant. After setting the two “State Law stop for pedestrian traffic” signs, a car came up and drove through, failing to yield, almost clipping me. This isn’t unusual as I dealt with this a lot in my job, but my attention was diverted to the driver that passed me. While starting to walk back, lights hit my peripheral and it went black after that.
Skill issue
I got hit by a Range Rover last year. The height of my DRZ-400 is the only reason I was ejected off my bike and flew OVER, instead of headfirst INTO it. Now that I’m recovered and looking into my next bike, I’m now left second guessing my want for a (lower) sports bike.
And I'm here lookin for a drz. Thanks bud.....
I rear ended a Camry on my dr650 I was doing 70 and cars stopped because some people are afraid to turn at speed. I think I was doing 35-40mph at the moment of impact. Rear wheel came off the ground but I just gripped my knees together and let my hips pivot, put her back down. I woulda rode away without even putting a foot down had my arm not hit the kill switch.
Being a biker was much safer 60 years ago because we had half the population and cars were slower. Nowadays you're dodging twice twice the traffic you have less time to react due to fast speeds.
Yeah I got rammed (literally) by a RAM 1500 while crossing at an intersection on my electric bike during rush hour this past fall.
Luckily my 80-pound E-bike took all the brunt with the wheels bending and the pedals getting stuck under the front bumper while I just slid off away from the truck onto the pavement with some scrapes on my right palm.
That fact that he couldn't see me until I was right in front of his right headlight says something about those ridiculously elevated hoods.
I do plan on doing an eBike conversion sometime this year which with the money I received from thr driver's insurance company, but I'm pretty much avoiding main roads and problematic intersections as much as I can now regardless of what kind of bike I'm commuting on.
@@handlemonium when I would commute by pedal bike in eastern Pa I used to take the bike paths as far as I could even if it wasn't the most direct route. I would also cut through neighborhood sub divisions if there was an exit in the direction I was trying to get too. You can't always do that but riding your bike the same way you drive your car is kinda dangerous. in Columbus Ohio there's bike paths everywhere but up where I'm at now in Ohio its mostly all state roads or county roads that go way out of your way.
Not to mention, truck drivers usually drive the craziest. Especially the ones with modded shit on them and raised tires (ultimate killing machines based on the video).
I bought an SUV just to be safe from other SUVs. I am more of a sedan guy but now that the traffic being full of heavy, tall vehicles, sedan didn't feel as safe as they were. So i felt forced to buy an SUV. That's becoming a big problem.
My dad's 2022 Colorado is almost the same size as my 2001 Silverado... and the Colorado is considered a small truck.
My family have a early 2000s Silverado and modern Suburban, its insane the suburbans grill is a good foot taller than the pickup that was considered large at the time. New trucks and suvs genuinely suck for everyone, and it sucks we cant do anything about it because Ford and GM are making record profits by killing affordable vehicles
CAFE fuel standards base fuel standards on vehicle footprint. Since it’s a small truck and gets truck fuel economy they need to make it large enough to match its fuel economy on the standard . If they made it smaller they’d get fined.
I own a 2002 BMW X5 which used to be considered as a midsize. The dimensions are almost exactly the same as a new Toyota RAV4 which is considered "compact".
@@aquifer9480 You realize this is the fault of the EPA killing compact trucks and SUVs, right? They don’t exist anymore because the EPA regulated them out of existence. S10’s, rangers, trailblazers, tacomas, etc.. there used to be tons of small pickups that you liberals could use to haul your bags of mulch. Now those either don’t exist or they’re essentially full sized vehicles.
The bigger the footprint (vehicle), the less stringent the EPA fuel efficiency requirements. Americans want smaller cars, the EPA prevents these market forces from materializing.
I don't think they do want smaller cars. I think people say they want smaller cars, but by the numbers they don't get bought.
@@joebot86That's my problem with American car consumers. Everyone says they want a cool car but then they ALWAYS buy some stupid SUV they don't need.
@@danrocker1294I would have to disagree with you and the other person on that. Most people don't even consider smaller cars unless their super cheap because their ignorant of how much SUV's suck.
and who lobbied for these efficiency requirements? Car Manufacturers.
BINGO!!! Correct this is a direct result of EPA regulations causing this need for HUGE grilles, HUGE cooling systems
When your tiny brain thinks that the front design of a car has any impact on whether it can kill you 😂 2000+ lbs of steep hurtling towards can kill you no matter what it's shaped like
Taller grills all so prevent visibility. Children playing at driveways have died because of this.
: How much cargo space do you need?
: About the size of a sedan. it's enough for grocery shopping.
: How many seats do you need?
: 5. Most sedans has 5.
: How much ride height do you need?
: About the height of a sedan. I only drive on urban roads I don't need off road capabilities.
: So what car do you drive?
: ford f150 Supercrew cab 4x4.
You can actually seat 5 adults in a F150, few sedans can do that these days with the death of the full-size sedan market. Not to mention if you do load a sedan down with 5 people the suspension is maxed out and adding any cargo only makes it worse even to the point that even in a urban environment a speed bump can become an expensive accident. Also that F150 will have longer useful life than a sedan because it can be used for in town driving, off road, or cargo hauling in one vehicle over 10-20+ years as people's lives change.
You could likely make a case for it being more ecofriendly by fulfilling so many roles as well.
@@Hybris51129 The vast majority of modern sedans from major manufactures can seat 5 people. Also no, you're suspension will not crumble when it hits a bump with full occupancy, modern suspension tech is extremely advanced and can handle most activities you throw at it. Also yes, theoretically it can be used for more purposes down it's life but the vast majority of trucks will only be used for intown cruising and be used on limited occasions for hauling, which anyone can just rent a uhaul truck for $99 a day when needed. Not to mention the fuel inefficiencies of driving something that has the aerodynamics of a literal brick. This along with the fact that modern trucks dont even have much bumper ground clearance as they use to so most stock subarus will out handle a modern truck on most off-road courses. Also, lets be honest, most modern American trucks will need major upkeep for them to last even 10 years let alone 20+.
@@asianpower3000 So basically you ignored everything I just said.
A fully loaded sedan with 5 adults will max out the suspension and it's safe to say that if you check the cargo weight sticker (and you will have to check on the car itself because such information is generally not posted online) you have little to no capacity for cargo of any kind. You might even be too heavy with just the weight of 5th person probably depending on the features of the vehicle in question. All that said you have little ground clearance to begin with thus making the chance of damage and hang ups more likely on not just speed bumps but many entries/exits to parking lots and the like. Driveways will likely be muffer crapers and depending on the design of the bumpers those maybe endangered as well.
Most half ton crew cab trucks are not going to have most of these issues save for the most optioned out cowboy Cadillac you can get even then you won't be worried about ripping parts of the vehicle off on your own drive way.
While renting a U-Haul is a potential band aid it has its limitations and inconveniences especially if you don't have a convenient location to rent from.
The reliability of pickups is in general on par with most cars unless you start to get into Diesel emissions systems so that arguement holds no water. In the favor of the owner is that trucks have much better aftermarket support meaning parts are more available long after the parts for the sedan have gone out production. Just look for parts for a truck from the 80's or 90's and you can still find a strong parts market.
Even the higher fuel costs don't offset the flexibility of having a single do it all vehicle over the life of that vehicle. It's like with EV's the money saved over its useful life still doesn't make it a cheaper option than a ICE vehicle, this is a similar thing.
I would also add it that even when you do sell the truck it will command a better resale than sedan because they do hold their value.
In closing the math and physics favor the truck so long as you the owner are willing to contend with higher fuel costs and a higher skill level in driving if you want to start splitting hairs.
@@Hybris51129 A longer useful life due to more capability that was noted as not needed by the OP.. not to mention.. if you're towing, the useful life of the vehicle diminishes, in comparison to NOT towing. Not very swift.
@@carlose6010 On the first point the OP is wrong. Flat-out.
On your second point a truck that tows near it's max rating would take more ware and tear but below that it is unlikely to suffer much of anything. It's why so many truck owners who tow regularly tend to jump to 3/4 ton trucks so they aren't riding the edge of their equipment.
Towing it should be added with a car is while possible generally ill advised per the owners manuals and the idea of regularly towing even more so.
Not so swift yourself on this matter.
I believe much of the proliferation of SUVs in the U.S. is an unanticipated consequence of the CAFE fuel efficiency standards. SUVs are classified as trucks with less stringent requirements whereas a minivan or station wagon are classified as cars and are held to a higher standard even though there’s little practical difference. Consequently there’s been a steady shift towards SUVs.
Well "unanticipated consequences" is a nice euphemism for car companies willing to play with the rules rather than by the rules.
It would really do a large service to the world to rewrite those laws to apply to reality in the 21st century. The idea was originally to give farmers, laborers and such a break since they need a big vehicle to do work. Now that break has become the norm for everyone and it is a problem.
@@bradcomis1066 They should force the leniency of light trucks regulation to be under the condition of being OSHA approved.
That way you create a very clear distinction between the truck that is actually to do work and the one that is for consumers.
After all if the justification of the relevance of light trucks is to be able to do work shouldn't it also comply with occupational safety standards ?
@@VaasrefAnd while they're at it, they should get rid of the 25% tariff on importing "light cargo vehicles"
And CAFE mandates light trucks be a certain size to qualify as light trucks, making vehicles bigger and heavier.
One possibility for the increase in pedestrian deaths is the number of large trucks on the road, not just their size. Many people who have no use for a pickup truck buy one because of the prestige, safety, and intimidation factors. Once a vehicle for the workman or farmer, is now a daily commuter. Secondly, trucks were given more leeway for mileage and emission standards, which allowed the manufacturers to make more profit. They, in turn, marketed these trucks to the mass market, inflating the number of trucks on the road.
75% of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70% of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35% of truck owners use their truck for hauling-putting something in the bed, once a year or less.
And here it is, a perfect video! I'm now a subscriber.
This stupidity is down to regulation. EU has pedestrian collision safety standards (which the US could just co-opt) that make these murderous designs illegal. The US has a loophole in their definition of trucks in pollution prevention regulations that allows classifying passenger vehicles as commercial trucks; choose to plug that hole, and these vehicles disappear entirely: drivers spend less on purchase, maintenance and fuel. They also kill less, and breathe better air.
It is not a "loophole".
It is a deliberate design within the law.
its not just eu, usa have same/similiar thing, when it comes (also) to emissions. pick-ups etc are moved into truck category (as "working" vehicles), where standards are much more forgiving, when it comes to emissions etc. so, 5l heavy diesel pickup with cut of egrs and all that is not a problem, some 1,6l diesel jetta with all its filtering system is. and believe me, there's a lot more diesel pickups in states than diesel regular small (in american size standards) family cars, which are almost non existent.
@@elsydeon666 same same
@@elsydeon666 weird how a lot of the laws in the US are fucking garbage tho. whether you call it a loophole or by design
What? The US adopt the EU standard and admit that they don't know everything? 😂
100% Agree, I own a 2022 GMC Sierra and it's ridiculous how high the grill and hood is, it's a pain to work on, pain to park. Why can't we have a truck with a full sized bed with 2010 proportions? The Canyon is physically the correct size but they shrunk the interior and the bed size to mini truck dimensions. Today's "mid" size trucks are the same dimensions as the full size trucks of 13 years ago, and today's full size trucks are as big as the heavy duty trucks of 10 years prior.
I agree. My dad has a new Ranger, the interior space is ok, but the bed is basically useless. It does have more tow capacity than an F150 from 15 years ago, but the advantages really aren't that much. It is basically the size an F150 used to be, but I hate the 10 speed/ 4 cylinder combo. So annoying to drive with it shifting constantly
Because emissions standards. At 2010 truck sizes, you could either have a truck without enough power to do anything or geared so low it probably couldn't reach freeway speeds.
I'm really looking forward to the Toyota Hilux Champ.
Yup. My 3rd generation Tacoma is physically larger than the first generation Tundra in almost every metric.
Because they sell
Lets not forget how my 3.2K LB EV car pays 3x higher taxes than the F350's on the road which weigh 3x more. Dont worry guys, I spotted about 7 of them today on the way to work.
Oh I get it, it's better to have your knees deleted than all your internal organs turned into ketchup
I've always had a dislike for selfish reasoning. My coworkers drove big suvs because they're safer, and mocked me for driving small cars. They would say "if I ran into you you'd get smooshed." With a chuckle.
Meanwhile I got a motorcycle, because I don't want to kill anyone when I feel like ripping around.
I don’t like it either, but a Santa Fe suv kept my mom and then-2-year-old sister alive, and the other car involved was a slightly smaller audi which also kept the driver safe.
This problem wouldn’t really exist if we just drove smaller cars tho
@@suspiciousstew1169 The vehicular cold war must end. There are 2 solutions. The first is create a graduated licensing system for heavier classes of vehicles, where you can either have a picture taken, and start riding a 300cc single cylinder motorcycle with no instruction whatsoever, because the only person liable to get dead is you, or you can eventually get a CDL, as well. The second is to lower the D-class license weight limit from 10,000lbs GVW to 4,500lbs, which would force all current pickup/SUV owners to go to jail, get a different car, or get their CDL. This isn't to say CDL drivers can't be shit, too, but most pickup/SUV owners would probably just opt to trade it in instead of going through the effort of earning a CDL.
@suspiciousstew1169 while most people should drive a car instead of a truck there are people who need trucks to roof and plumb your house
@@bubbleman2002you haven't paid attention to what happens when you mess with the farmers have you?
@@calebz1448 The farmers get subsidies?
These giant trucks are so rarely driven by people who need the towing/bed space. Just look at how many have the “soccer mom” cab with 4 giant doors, sparkling paint, chrome and low profile 20+inch rims. It’s a travesty.
Leather seats, panoramic sunroof, cupholders everywhere, sound systems that rival concert halls that you don't even have in your home ..... the list goes on and on about how ridiculous it all is and it shouldn't surprise anyone they now cost up to $100,000. Every option makes it less and less capable as a REAL truck.
@@tedunguent156What would you consider a real truck?
Murca!!!
@@Happy357mag whatever your organization of choice in northern Africa is using right now
@@Happy357mag 70 Series Land Cruiser with a bed
I own a 2000 Suburban which is a big vehicle, but compared to a 2024 Suburban it’s insane how much larger the new models are compared to the old. The new models also have a boxier flat front, my 2000 has a more rounded hood and bumper.
One key thing this video didnt take in mind. There is a regulation on how much space is in between the underside of the hood and the component's underneath. Ironically enough, for pedestrian saftey reasons. So somebodys dome didnt find a valve cover 10mm under the hood skin. Unfortunately its a long cycle. Vehicles are heavier due to more saftey equipment and even hybrid technology, thus larger brakes are needed to keep with modern standards, expecially with modern traction control that taxes the brakes even further. Larger brakes need larger wheels to fit under, larger wheels need bigger wheel arches, that means the beltline of the vehicle needs to be higher, that means the hood will be higher. Its a root problem caused by many things. As always though great video! Modern trucks are way too big anyways, I have a 1995 f150 and the bed has more cubic feet then a new longbed ford. Its slow but durable with the old inline 6.
As someone who drives a car and has riden many motorcycles as commuters... If I got a truck it sould be similar in size to a 80'/90's S10. However, those trucks simply do not exist in the US anymore.
Not true,ford maverick
Which is still bigger than the early 2000s ford ranger.
The base mavericks towing capacity is the same as my Corolla and Vibe, 1500 pounds. The top tier model is 4000 pounds. According to google the old S10 and Rangers towed 6000.
Having owned both 90's S10 and Ranger, I can attest that the new trucks (Maverick, Ranger, etc) are huge monstrosities that do less.
Even a 2000'a Toyota Tundra is smaller than most midsize trucks, nowadays.
Fun Fact: In the US around 2000, a reg was passed by NHSA for cars that their front ends had to be higher for pedestrians. In reality, it was lobbyists from the oil companies ensuring the cars weren't too aerodynamic...
Dude old school pickups were wayy less aerodynamic
I was hit by a Dodge Durango head on and (most recently) a smaller car. I got caught up in The Durango’s grill and the car launched me airborne. Both didn’t kill me but maimed me to an extent to destroy my life. As a rider, I accept my mortality. But cars won’t kill me. They just keep wrecking what I have (one being my health). I know you like statistics. Statistics are clean. But, the mass matters. How many motorcycles can accidentally drive clean through a building? 4 wheeled vehicles are all potential weapons of mass destruction. Thanks for your videos!
The Giant Pickups are due to EPA regulations. The big automakers can't make the efficiency targets mandated by the EPA. The targets are based on wheelbase size, not engine size. So the most profitable thing for the automakers is to make the largest trucks possible, so that they have to pay the smallest fines for failing to hit the EPA mandates. The automakers are currently being fined 5 to 7k for every new truck produced. The automakers don't make small pickups any more because they would have to have make a 40 to 60 mpg target or get fined, which makes it impossible to sell small affordable pickups. (Also the chicken tax doesn't help either.)
It's one of those weird unintended consequences of government regulations.
Dude, 5l/100 km or 45+mpg is nothing new or impossible for a normal hatchback, sedan, wagon or some reasonable crossovers. It migh be impossible for large bricks.
Not Just bikes did a video about the same issue about 1.5 yrs ago and that's why I got serious about replacing my Ram 1500 with a smaller vehicle and I landed on the 2017 Honda Ridgeline. Much more sloped hood and with a Cap on the bed, I can carry faaaar more stuff than my Ram could and still have so much of what a truck has over an SUV. I personally think the Ridgeline is one of the best practical vehicles on the market! Much more of a comfy ride and feature rich than other midsized trucks.
And has a sloped hood. And I can actually do U-turns without needing 3 lanes like a normal truck needs lol. I can actually see sooooo much more in front of my Ridgeline hood in parking lots vs the Ram or any other truck. Huge hoods look great but are not functional. It's about as cool as putting a spoiler on a truck and being proud of it. You *can* be happy with the looks of an unnecessary cool thing but it's not functional and does a lot of harm.
Also more aerodynamic for better mpg with sloped hood.
Thank you for being part of the solution, rather than the problem 🫡
Yw. Thx for your thx! Which reminds me, I even sold the Ram to someone who lives out of town so it's also out of the city mostly now too woot.
Good man, its what they were made for.@@TheSkystrider
@@TheSkystriderI get it, you enjoy virtue signaling. But your ridgeline CANNOT. Carry more than your ram could.
HOLY that cone blind zone. This video is full of amazing information and demonstrations
The trend of bigger and bigger cars is stupid and we should not keep supporting this.
Hey, while we have a Road King hibernating in our garage, I don't have much time for motorcycle content these days. Though, I wanted to check in to say I am impressed and enjoyed this content production, and would certainly watch similarly produced pieces in the future with the serious/comedic take on other contemporary controversies.
Another hazard of large vehicles: you can't see past them at all. And when nobody will let you have enough of a space cushion in front of you to react, that's very bad.
get a bigger vehicle.....
@@AsTheWheelsTurnsome of us don’t want to drive duplexes
@AsTheWheelsTurn I don't want ride on abrams
@@AsTheWheelsTurn Get off the fuckin road if you can't handle not being able to see over everything but a semi.
Nobody will let you have a space cushion in front of you?
You're the only person who can create a space cushion in front of you. Stop tailgating.
3 dudes have the GMC monster in my hood. Every single one of them is 5'8" and none of them use the uselessly small beds of the trucks.
Exactly. These things are popular because people want to APPEAR like they do hard work, but the only people doing hard work drive old small trucks and base work trucks.
Sounds cool
@@UProductions457 If I live in the mountains and I’m a heavy equipment owner/operator, and I need to tow my bulldozer 30 miles to an off-road job site with foot-deep trenches in every direction… You have total control, it’s your world, what vehicle should I use?
ill also note that the dodge ram 1500 is statically the most dangerous vehicle on the American road. I would guess the charger is top 10 as well. Next time you see Truck doing something brazen, it'll probably be a ram, and for that matter how many chargers do you see weaving in and out of lanes at 100+?
Very informative video, thank you!
"Fuck you I got mine" mfs when they smash thru a guardrail and fly 3000 meters off a cliff to their death:
For a "Christian" nation that says to love your enemies and do good to those that persecute you I've never read the lips of the Lord Jesus Christ utter in King James style "fucketh thee I gotteth mine"
@@TimpBizkit The US isn't a Christian nation, it's a Jewish one
as a pickup truck driver, I would love it if this were made more public and use it to shame the EPA into dropping the ridiculous cubic feet of vehicle vs fuel consumption what has killed the 1/4 ton market and results in the trucks getting bigger every year.
it's ridiculous I, at 6'2", have to strain to reach my oil dipstick on a 10 year old vehicle and the newer ones are even bigger.
I want the current power and fuel economy in the older size trucks which will be more powerful and economical than the empty space we're buying now.
Yeah nobody really wants to talk about the actual reason they've gotten so big. It's not consumer demand.
Cafe standard are why they got so big. Also if you put modern engines in vehicles the size of 20 years or older the fuel mileage and vehicle performance improvements is substantial
I’m 5 ft 6 and almost been run over by trucks before. You literally can’t see most people in front of these obnoxious trucks. Regulation is needed
@@LilSquirrellyYup, this is why a little truck from the 90s has a similar payload capacity to a modern truck that has twice the horsepower. Because trucks are so big and require much more hp to get going.
Yeah. Now I have to get a Kei truck. And I am so mad I can't have the new $10,000 Toyota because it's "not safe" whilst we have these giant ass trucks that people never use for their intended purpose.
I drive a 2008 Lincoln Town Car, best car I've ever owned. Its the same platform as the old police Crown Victoria, a huge super safe tank of a car that's got a low hood that won't obliterate pedestrians. But its no longer made because the government's CAFE fleet fuel standards keep the auto industry from making big cars while allowing them to make big trucks. So the people who would have bought a big V8 car that gets worse MPG than a small car but better MPG than a truck or SUV are now buying trucks and SUVs with worse MPG that have a tendency to obliterate pedestrians. Thanks government.
The seating position inside the cab is higher, which causes the occupants to get 'tossed around' more, too.
Requiring a lower headlight maximum height might fix some of this. Nobody wants to own a goofy looking vehicle.
You got me convinced ill buy a F650 and feel safer, smashing on regular SUV's and if everyone starts buying F650's ill get my CDL and go for the biggest truck available.
Most of the developed world classes the F650 firmly in commercial driver licence territory.
@@basmca1 In the US the class 6 (F650 etc) is the biggest vehicle that you can drive without a CDL (not taking into account state specific RV exemptions).
Initially, SUVs killed more occupants than regular cars --- this was mostly a factor of them standing high on their tires and flipping over. Once this was corrected they have been indeed safer than smaller cars (for their occupants --- not for the rest of humanity or fauna).
Just get a 5 ton
@@hummerguy Class 6 trucks are 5 tons. Do you mean a military 5 ton (M939 or similar)?
Americans can put some of the blame on the EPA for taxing and fining smaller trucks into oblivion... Need me a UTE.
Iirc that was also due to auto lobbying that got them that loophole.
No the problem is that larger trucks should have been held to the same standard. Emissions controls are necessary, the auto companies shouldn't be able to get around them by putting a tank on a light truck chassis.
@@Arewmon Wrong. The regulatory regime against small trucks was a favor to US auto unions to keep the small foreign trucks off the market. Had nothing to do with emissions. Emissions standards today are completely insane, they just make everything 2x as expensive
The US government overegulation of the auto industry back in the 1970’s created this loophole.. back then people bought trucks for utility purposes and not for vanity.
Sounds like a lobbying problem to me. Auto manufacturers are greedy as hell. Domestic companies did not want to create cheaper trucks to rival cheap imports and the consumers are non the wiser.
You know you made a good demonstration, when parts of your video reach memes without credit to the original work. You should do it like the slowmo guys or neil red and have your logo prominently in the memable shots. Like have a magnetic F9 logo on the truck smashing the dummy.
You are one of the best road and traffic channels around and deserve to be widely recognized.
as always excellent content
One big key point you left out in this video is the fact that these vehicles have a higher center of gravity and therefore really like to roll over onto their roofs like your dog does and crush its driver. But the soccer mom buying a yukon xl doesn't know that. Your local car auction is full of totaled trucks with squished roofs.
This is something that I have been talking about for many, many years. So I am happy to see that SOMEONE, anyone is doing the research and (making a video) to bring this to the mainstream. Thank you for making this video. As always, your production values are brilliant.
I really dislike tall square hoods (and fender flares) on trucks. It makes maneuvering in tight spaces much more difficult because it's much more difficult to see where the edges and corners of the vehicle are, especially when backing a trailer around corners in tight spaces where you need to know exactly where everything is. It just kills visibility. I guess the problem is most truck buyers these days are after a parking lot princess, not a truck to be used as a truck.
Anyone remember when station wagons were a popular choice for families that wanted space, safety, and fuel economy? I miss those days