The Stages of The Tribulation - Jacob Prasch
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- For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
Matthew 24:7-8
For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matthew 24:21
The LORD utters His voice before His army; Surely His camp is very great, For strong is he who carries out His word. The day of the LORD is indeed great and very awesome, And who can endure it?
Joel 2:11
1. Birth Pangs/Tribulation
2. Great Tribulation
3. The Day of The Lord
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Thank you Jacob this was precise and a good teaching. I unfortunately have been in Pre Trib only teaching churches for over 35 years. The last 5 I have been listening to you and other. I have had an uncomfortableness about this teaching and I appreciate you showing me and teaching me the truth. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Thanks Dean for posting Jacob's encouraging messages. Believers need to remain awake and watching more now than ever for the things that are coming on this earth, and the great appearing of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 🙏
Praise The Lord and God Bless :)
I've posted a comment with regards to [one] of Jacob's teachings concerning the seven year period he speaks about. If you're so inclined, with regards to knowing the Truth, you may want to take a look.
Jacob also teaches that believers have to look for the anti-Christ [before] looking for Christ, prior to being raptured. What? You'll never find that taught anywhere in the bible. II Timothy 4:3, 4 reads "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.". God's will be done.
@@MichaelLMayes why don’t you shut your mouth and opinions, go back and watch all his videos and teachings about practically any subject, and then come back and make an ignorant comment?
@@StrongBodyandMind33 I have listened to plenty of teachings by Jacob. I have also sat and listened to plenty of pre-trib teachings as well, where they are just as wrong as Jacob's. I'm more interested in the Truth, as all should be. It's quite unfortunate that so many who claim to be followers of the Truth are so offended when shown that scripture conveys something entirely different from what they have been led to believe. I truly hope that you seek the Lord for His help when studying because He's the only One who can point us to the Truth. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong, just that we turn to the Truth when we are shown the Truth in scripture.
God's will be done.
@@MichaelLMayes The scriptures you have provided do not support a “pre trib” rapture.
Otherwise no believer would be in “tribulation at this present time.
Regardless of when Is the exact timing, I’m willing to die for my faith, where truth is not compromised.
I doubt persecutors will be asking “ so when do you believe the rapture will take place?!”, uh, pre wrath?!? “Off with his head!!!”
Thankyou So Much Jacob for being a voice of reason in this crazy time! I worry for all my fellow Christian brethren that have been fed the lie of the pretrib rapture. They’re not going to be prepared for what’s coming upon them! May God bless you and your family and your ministry. May God bless you for standing up in these dark hours.
I am "pre-trib" and I assure you that I and others who hold similar views are not unprepared for tribulation, should that be our lot. Our trust is in the Lord, not in our limited understanding of the "day or the hour" of His return. Mid-tribbers, pre-wrath and post-tribbers ought also to be ready to be taken up at any time, since none of us knows for sure the day or the hour of Christ's return. The important thing is to be found doing God's will until the very end. After all is accomplished according to His Word, looking back to see if we had the "correct" interpretation of prophetic events will be a moot point. God bless you and keep you in a state of readiness. Maranatha!
Don Laity I’m glad your mature minded to be prepared for tribulation, I’m just worried for a lot of Christians I know personally that believe they’re not going to experience any tribulation, even though our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ around the world are being persecuted, even as we speak. The Western Christians are so comfortable, maybe the western christians need to look around and ask the persecuted church around the world, what they believe about the rapture. So many are being killed in Pakistan, China, India, Middle East etc Jesus Warned is not to be deceived, that we will be persecuted, some killed for his name sake. The tribulation is Satan’s wrath, not Gods wrath as so many get confused. Gods wrath is on the Great Day of the Lord./Day of Judgement. We are not destined to his wrath on that day. Our sins are forgiven.
@@porshamarshall4658 I am pretrib because it is the only scenario that makes sense in light of the Gospel, which post tribbers, who say what you've just said, seem to have no clue about. That's what worries me about post tribbers.
Those of us who understand the Gospel of Grace and walk in it, are not unprepared for the Great
Tribulation which is the same event as The Wrath of God, we would be the first in line to have our heads chopped off.
If someone thinks they are prepared for GT, you can rest assured they haven't got a clue. That's why they are prepping for such a time.
Our brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world are being persecuted by the enemy. We were told to expect this. It isn't Christ persecuting them, it's the enemy.
But that isn't the Great Tribulation. Jesus opens the first seal, not the enemy. And notice the 24 elders and the 4 beasts are already in heaven at the throne BEFORE He opens that first seal. Notice also that we are singing about Him being worthy to open the seals AND the fact that He has reddemed us. Revelation 5:9
You can not reconcile the True Gospel with God sending the Body of Christ thru the Great Tribulation/ wrath. You'd have to be subscribing to another Gospel which is no Gospel. Those who do that, yes it is very possible they will go through the Great Tribulation.
You can be found worthy to escape all these things, but not without the True Gospel.
@no matter What are we told concerning them in chapter 4. They have crowns, white rainment, and are sitting on thrones. Only one group of individuals are promised all 3. Believers in Christ. Chapter 5 tells us they are singing a (new) song of redemption. This is because the day of redemption has transpired. Regardless of whether you agree the 24 elders represent the church, the fact remains that a new song is still being sung.
@@porshamarshall4658 God's wrath begins the moment the first seal is opened. The two witnesses have the authority to smite the earth with ALL the plagues as often as they want. Revelation 11:6. The plagues equal God's wrath. Revelation 15:1 and 16:1.
You speak of Satan's wrath concerning Revelation 12:12, however, you're missing what's being stated in verse 10. We're told there that God's salvation has come, which is in the aorist indicative. Namely, it has already occurred. This is prior to Satan's passion (wrath). The Greek word in which we get salvation is also found, in addition to other portions of scripture, in I Thessalonians 5:9 and Hebrews 9:28. Satan can't act until Jesus opens the first seal. It's God's wrath, Satan's just a part of it.
Additionally, there is a woe being pronounced in Revelation 12:11 to the inhabitants of the earth. This Greek word is never used against the righteous, but, always the disobedient.
There's so much more proof of a pre-trib rapture. You should be careful what you take in as well as what you're disseminating to others. Respectfully, women are not to teach scripture. Remember also the warning in Revelation 22:18, 19.
God's will be done.
There is no pre-tribulation rapture Jesus says in Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
See how it says immediately after the tribulation
Jesus made it so clear , I really don't get how they think its before because Jesus said " Immediately after " , cant get any clearer than that!
As a former cocaine dealer and serious Bible student and post tribber I so appreciate jacob and his truthful teachings!
Always a little more light every time I listen to Jacob's teachings.
I wish this was longer, Hallelujah for Jacob and others like him. Too few around!
Praise The Lord :)
@Athena . There are other teachings connected to this which tell us more. Just search for Jacob Prasch , and specifically End Times if you like . Weekly, ' Catching up with Jacob ' broadcasts relate it all to how its now being fulfilled in our times . Apostasy, wars and rumours of wars etc . It all helps us to cope with it . I'm so sorry for non-Christians who don't understand whats happening. Or Christians who haven't been taught about it . God bless you K
@Athena . Try January 10th 2021. Jacob discusses the vaccine passport , vis a vis the mark of the beast etc Its typical of these videos. I don't know of anyone else who does it online . K
Thank you for this teaching, Pastor. The Holy Spirit has revealed to you the truth of God’s Word. There is so much error out there.
Love Jacob Prasch teachings I have learn soooo much
Did you learn Jacobs an antichrist supporter?
The Mat Taos I’ve heard that ALL MEN fall short of the glory of God. Also, I know that a coward lashes out and accuses others when called out for error themselves. Get a grip. You’re so obviously demonically oppressed in your thinking, that it’s frightening to consider what type of evangelism you are attempting with the saved and unsaved alike. Nothing you have to say has any relevance at this time. Fast and humble yourself before The Lord Our God and be set free. Or perish in your folly.
Tink ForJesus Amen! Well said!
Tink ForJesus you are a hypocrite. The “restrainer” is not the Holy Spirit.
The “restrainer” is the antichrist.
The antichrist is donald trump whom Jacob fully supports.
Can you please explain what it means to repent?
cindy freshwater not well said, he’s greatly deceived.
Amen great message pastor Jacob teachings help me a lot... This is some good spiritual food here
Jacob is not a pastor, he teaches.
Thank you for. This teaching. I pray for you Jacob Prasch
hits it right on the head right here great teaching brother
I really miss seeing Jacob Pasch's wife Pavia doing women't studies
Me too
I thought her Bible studies were wonderful!!
I also am blessed by her studies
Is there more than one of Pavias studies?
I have seen one that was very helpfull
Denise Dennison only 2.
Agreed, if I may, God is closing the door for His Word to those who reject the Gospel and to the false church. It has already started.
Jacob prasch ma man Hashem bless you and your family and ministry shalom
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Thess2 hope this helps someone ❤️🔥
Thanks! Lots of greedy televangelists and false teachers and false prophets set dates and $tir people up for to make merchandi$e of people with itching ears. Holy Spirit is our teacher, one cannot know the truth in the scriptures apart from him...
I had recently watched teaching that stated the tribulation wasn't until the final 31/2 yrs. I understood what they were trying to guard against, but it seemed off. So glad Jacob cleared that up for me.
Praise The Lord and God Bless.
ALL of it is wrathful ... and that is what all people like Prash ... and Mid-Tribbers ... and Pre-wrathers don't seem to understand.
*-roaring of seas.* tsunamies. Floods. flooding in texas. mud slides. Japan. the tidal wave that killed 350,000 in a single day about 15 years ago.
*-signs in the sky.* people freaking out cause of sounds and signs in the sky. strange weather patterns. winter storms causing billions in damage. record breaking winters AND summers. Sun explosions. strange cloud formations.
*-earthquakes* in places that never had earthquakes. much fear and damage. Have you forgotten india, china and haiti already?
*-famines, pestilences, diseases* If one cannot see wrath in that ... well ... I don't know what to tell you
YOU DON'T SEE WRATH IN THAT? WHO CONTROLS NATURE?? AND THEN EVEN WHEN THE TRIBULATION BEGINS, EVEN THE SEALS ARE FULL OF WRATH!
-Rider on Red Horse is WRATH! Peace is totally removed from the earth! Mankind doing whatever it wants with no Restraint of the Holy Spirit who is gone. Mankind who do NOT repent, as Revelation makes it clear.
-Rider on Black Horse is WRATH. You don't see wrath in global economic downturn and the shortage of food which leads to starvation and desperate people who already have NO CONCIOUS? How vile and wicked do you think men will be!?
-Rider on Pale Horse is WRATH. Death and disease is not wrath to you?
And then there is the part that all Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, demonic Post-Trib and lunatic Preterist leave out: the part about how *HELL* follows Death!
So, where do you people think the dead are going?? To Heaven?? To Paradise?? How, when it is HELL that follows Death, swallowing up all the death!
That is a serious blow against all who thing Christians are still on the planet, or that people are repenting and going to heaven.
Thanks again Dean and Jacob. Dean for the [blessed uploads and Jacob for revelling teachings!
Love to all the brother & sisters in Yahushua x
Praise The Lord and God Bless.
@@grainstore-deangibson5308
Blessings for sharing all the faithful teachers; Jacob Prasch and Pastor Chas. Lawson.
TL- C Shalom
@@grainstore-deangibson5308 Shalom bro!
Thank you Dean, it's always wonderful to rewatch all of Jacob's teachings.
Thank you, Jacob
Hello Mr. GIBSON, Thank God you are still around with your AMAZING INTRO that set the stage...AWESOME!!!
Thank You Beloved Dean For I Pray That You Are Reborn For You MUST Be As ANY Child Of THE MOST HIGH GOD. IF So You ARE A Beloved Child, And At The Table Feasting, And Written In The Lamb's Book Of Life. Again Thank You For This Series Of Truthful, Intelligent, And Well Preached From The Holy Bible By Beloved Jacob Prasch. Amen.
Dean WHY Did You Put The ONE EYE Of The Girl On Display For Others For This Whole Segment Though?? Again The ONE EYE Is The Eye Of Horus. ??
Great teaching this one (as they all are😁👍!), it clarity's the work of the Holy Spirit role when the restrainer no longer convicts of sin. Can you image what the world be like when this happens? I believe it will be even worst then before pentecost!
Thank you Jacob for a great message
Godbless this ministry 🙏❤️🔥
Psalm 29/1 Hear this, all peoples; give ear, all inhabitants of the world, 2 both the sons of Adam and sons of men, rich and helpless alike
I have listen to this information many times. Thank you for making this info Available.
In my experience, it’s men who recite more bad prophecy than women. I rarely run into
any women who showed interest in the future prophecy. Most women I know walk
around saying “just love Jesus”. Most false teachers are men & few women.
Thank you so much for sharing this teaching.Many blessings. to you and yours.
Great message. Less importantly, what software do you use to generate the dramatic intro graphics?
Thanks for the comment. Did you mean ‘what software’ I use to create the footage or edit the footage or both?
@@grainstore-deangibson5308 Do you only respond to comments you like or agree with?
Pastor Jacob is one of our best teachers of God's Word. Plus, he exposes the darkness in the church. Something many criticize him for, but we need to be made aware.
I discovered something that I haven't heard anyone mention.
Jesus's ministry was 3.5 years long. Our Tribulation is 3.5 years long. God's Wrath on this earth is 3.5 years long.
Hmmmm...
Yeshua left the holy spirit to be our teacher, not Jacob Pratch, yet, "I know nothing for sure but Christ and him crucified."
Thank you
Praise The Lord :)
Say the 91st Psalm for protection against pestilence and ethnos rising against ethnos.
I think I would refrain from using one=eyed pictures
No, when the first plague comes and is poured out on those take have taken the Mark of the beast probation has began. There is no changing sides at that point. Just as in the days of Noah, when God closed the door of the ark no one could enter from there on. He takes us through the tribulation, we are protected just as it was from Pharaoh as God led Moses and the Israelites. The seven plagues fall upon those that have the mark of the beast. We will know who they are by the sores from the first plagues.
Interesting
If you are a christian and go through the tribulation, you will die. No doubt.
But Not Today it just depends on whether your a Christian or not. If your not Yes you will die at some point or either at the end and the coming of the Lord. Christian will be protected for Gods plagues.
@@stevenbp101 , if you are a Christian and you go all the way through the tribulation, you will die for Jesus. That's it. You cant take the mark. You cant buy or sell. The government will be executing Christian's. No Christian's will live through the tribulation.
But Not Today Awe but you have to have faith, the Bible says that some will live through the tribulation times to see and be alive when Jesus comes back. Read your Bible.
Thank you Dean shalom
Cool animation- hazmat suit and a 50cal ? I guess that pretty much sums it up, come soon LORD JESUS , till then” sell your cloak. “
Shalom 😎
Pistols etc... BIBLE.. bug-out bag
The problem with that thinking is if the Holy Spirit stops his functioning that he’s been doing by convicting sin and he is supposed to live in us the church is it gonna stop doing that for us if the Holy Spirit is in dwelling in us he’s going to stop doing that for us I don’t think so what has to be taken out of the way is the church
And the next part you said that the church is going to have to go underground as it was I thought the gates of hell shall not prevail against it so does that mean that the gates of hell is prevailing against it if we have to go underground That’s just incorrect the Holy Spirit will never leave us or for sake us and will not make us go underground because the antichrist is getting into power get out of town
If he is no longer going to work in us then we will no longer have his righteousness
If you no longer in powers us to preach the gospel what is the point of us being here
So the wrath of God is equal to the tribulation we must endure the wrath of God punishes the wicked he’s going to punish the righteous to is an unfair God if this is true because he never punish the right just before why would he start now pre-tribulation rapture holds true my friend
MAYBE YOU SHOULD LISTEN AGAIN VERY CAREFUL, AS I SEE YOU ARE MISS-UNDERSTAND A LOT OF WHAT IS SAID HERE ! THE WRATH OF GOD IS FOR THE UN-believers DEAR . ABOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT, PLEASE GO LISTEN AGAIN , BUT VERY CAREFUL TO WHAT IS TRULY SPOKEN HERE xxx
next time ... use punctuation and capitalization and don't be so lazy with your typing ... IF you want people to read and take you serious.
FACT #1
The Holy Spirit is the RESTRAINER. Only HE has restrained mankind from abase and full sin from the begining. The world may call it a "consciouos" but that is the activity of the Holy Spirit.
FACT #2
Jesus told us the activity of the Spirit who is to CONVICT THE WORLD OF SIN, and to Glorify the Son. He does not Glorify Himself, but the Son instead.
FACT #3
In Psalm 2, we see the Holy Spirit doing exactly what Jesus said. First the Father speaks. Then the Son speaks. Then the Spirit speaks and He calls men to repentance AND convicts of sin AND glorifies the Son, just as Jesus said the Comforter does. Clear right there in Psalm 2, doing exactly that.
FACT #4
So, once the Rapture occurs and BOTH the Saints AND the Spirit are gone, how do you explain Revelation saying FOUR TIMES that mankind will NOT repent? How can they when its the SPIRIT who calls men to true Repetnace??
And how do you explain the Rider on a Red Horse which is a planet where men have no conscious or conviction against doing wrong things?
And how to you rectify Jeremiah saying that it will be the WORST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY?
And how to you do the same with Jesus who said the same thing Jeremiah said?
Not to mention the passage that says, "My Spirit will NOT always strive with man"
Sorry, but every scripture points to a DEPARTURE ... and why not?
FACT #5
there are THREE dwellings fo God with mankind, and THREE departures. There is no such thing as a fourth.
FACT #6
There is no pardon for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, because He is the LAST MEMBER of the Godhead. There is no fourth.
FACT #7
Its the CHURCH who preaches. It is the SPIRIT who calls. Funny how Revelation shows neither the Church NOR the Spirit doing their work, but instead shows an ANGEL preaching, and its NOT anything abot repentance OR Jesus either!
FACT #8
and the last obvios thing I will offer is this: PRIOR to Tribulation, we clearly read, "He that has and ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the CHURCHES." But after Tribulation has started, all we see is "He that has an ear, let him hear." Funny how there is NO MORE MENTION OF THE CHURCH OR THE SPIRIT once Tribulation has become.
The Spirit LEAVES with the Church.
Obviously.
Because Jesus made it painfully clear that the Comfort is given TO THE CHURCH, NOT THE WORLD! Therfore, why in the world would He remain when the Church LEAVES!?
Come on man. Think! Or better yet, LISTEN!
@@DonCornelius366 sorry about my grammar and punctuation and the fact that you can’t take me serious so what’s the point of replying
Daniel 12: 11&12. 45 days completley skipped over by everyone as though it were nothing to consider. This is the time of Satan's Wrath between Tribulation and God's Wrath.
That eye picture staring back at you is so creepy.
Brother Dean, where do you get the music for the intro? Thank you. 😊
All this work and you pulled scripture from a fake NIV bible..bummer
Yes I wish he used the KJV
I like Jacob, but in Rev 6:9...those who re persecuted become slain and die. It does not look like rapture timing to me.
That’s fifth seal
I have not watched this video yet, I am simply scrolling through the comments. I don't know if perhaps Jacob misspoke, or if you may have heard him incorrectly however, if this as about the timing of the rapture, the verse that Jacob has referred to in the past is Revelation 7:9. It is between the sixth seal and the seventh seal which commences the wrath of God.
@@emmy002ng Thanks Heaven's...please see my comment to
@Lulu Amos below. Blessings.
@@mrst7787 Is there any Scripture differentiating between the Wrath and The Great Tribulation?
Or is it just theological presuppositions?
@@randsollie7921 Presuppositions or exegisis?
Sound biblical doctrines are arrived at by exegesis. When scriptures are taken and studied in context, and those scriptures concord with other scriptures in context, a conclusion must be reached that is in harmony with all scripture. Like the Trinity.....or do you think that's presupposition also?
However, the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God are the same thing, along with the Great and Terrible day of the Lord, and the Time of Jacob's Troubles. Jesus Himself made the distinction between tribulation and the Great Tribulation, which Paul referred to as the Wrath of God, which is the shown to be the seventh seal.
For me as I understand it is that the tribulation is 7 years. The 1st 3.5 years are peaceful, it's the 2nd half when literally all hell breaks loose. I think it's then that the 7 seals are opened and those who have taken the mark of the Beast are attacked as was Pharaoh.
GODS WRATH STARTS FROM THE 1ST SEAL IN REVELATION 6 = THE CHURCH IS NOT GIVEN UP TO WRATH
@@BrotherEugen that's not true. That is when Christ comes back. Compare what happens after the 6th seal is opened to what Matthew says in 24:29. And with Revelation 19:18 which takes place as Christ is coming back (Revelation 19:11). The seals, trumpets and vials are all happening at the same time.
@@BrotherEugen Right, Jesus does not return from the wedding until way after the ac is revealed and the Mark of the beast is in full swing.
One of the reasons I believe the seals, trumpets and vials are all happening at the same time is:
Look at Revelation 6:17 "wrath is come." This is just after the 6th seal. And just after the 7th trumpet, same thing. They say His wrath is come. Revelation 11:18
Another reason is that just after the 7th seal is opened (Rev 8:5) there were voices, thundering, lightning and an earthquake. Just after the 7th Trumpets (Rev 11:19) same thunder, lightning, voices, earthquake and hail was added.
Rev 16:18 just after the 7th vial was poured out, same things, this time it says that earthquake was so great.
Also, Matthew 24:29 describes what happens to the sun, moon and stars and compare that with what happens after the 6th seal in Rev 6:12-13
Another one is Rev 6:14. After the 6th seal is opened, The islands and mountains are moved out of their places. It says the same thing in Rev 16:20 after the 6th vial is poured out.
How many times are the mountains and islands going to be moved?
It's all very interesting stuff to say the least.
I see Wrath even in the End Time Prophecies that lead up to the Rapture.
-roaring of seas
-sin rampent
-hearts failing
-wars and threats of war
-earthquakes everywhere
-famines
-diseases and pestilences
-etc
And I also see wrath in the Seals once Tribulation begins. That is the problem with mid-trib and these new age pre-wrathers. They are ignorant to what WRATH is. They don't see the punishments. And they seem to ignore the fact that jesus is GOD THE SON! Therefore, the Seals are NOT the "antichrists" or "satans" wrath because it is the SON who opens each one! So, they are ignorance and teeter on the edge of sin.
Agree with all Jacob says except for the mid tribulation rapture.
that is basically what this whole message is about then you disagree with him entirely
He is neither Mid-Trib, nor this new age Pre-Wrath. He is something else. All of them are still very similar. But his view is called something else. I forget what it is. We had an email conversation about it in the past. He told me and referenced me to a book he wrote.
Still, I do not consider his view, or mid-trib, or pre-wrathers are as sinners or fakes. Ignorant, yes. But not sinners.
Its the PRETERIST and the POST-TRIBBERS that I know will be cast off for sin against God. The sin of UNBELIEF IN GOD'S DELIVERING POWER ... which He takes personally.
@K S ... you don't understand the Scriptures.
All who are killed DURING the Tribulation (the rest) will NOT re resurrected until AFTER the 1000 years and AFTER the "season" when Satan is loosed. So, you do not know aht the "last day" is if you do not include the whole story.
How many years will we be under the one who is coming to deceive. Thats the thing
The first 3 1/2 years antichrist will be solidifying his power, kills the two witnesses and commits the abomination, then a deadly headwound and he is completely indwelt by satan and rules supreme for 3 1/2 years
I am sorry my brother but I disagree with you about a rapture and then there's going to be another one when it comes for the people that were left behind during the tribulation
So Messiah has TWO brides?
Oh my another rapture caller
... something you post-trib people can't even read or comprehend like normal adult.
Not to mention the CONDEMNATION of Post-Tribbers clearly seen in Hebrews 3 & 4, and also the servant at the end of Matthew 24, and the Prophet Amos.
UNBELIEF in God's delivering power ... is a path to Hellfire.
Where is the teaching and what is it called where he proves from? Scripture that god's people will be raptured between the sixth and seventh seal
In Daniel 9: 27. How do Pretribers get a 7 year covenant and turn into a 7 year tribulation?
correct, good question bcoz the authority to rule given to the beast is 42 months as per Rev.13, that's 3.5 years
David Shosho l find it interesting that Daniel has already told us in chapter 7 as to what that time period is. Daniel 7:25 ESV
[25] He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
I have gone through every Scripturally passage that speaks on this subject and 3 1/2 years has been allotted for the final contest for the Church and Israel. The Ante-Nicene Father’s writings has a lot of eschatological insight and their is no other view presented until Augustine came in and altered the book of Revelation. All Augustinian based Churches have taken upon themselves to alter the original understanding of Christ’s return.
Becasue the FINAL WEEK is a 7 year period. There is no such thing as "1/2 a week." Its a FULL WEEK! A full 7 year period. But it gets worst for ISRAEL in the MIDST (middle) of the *SEVEN YEARS*
I mean ... Daniel clearly writes in the "MIDDLE of the WEEK"
He never said it was a seperate period or 3 1/2 years. Only that it gets really bad for the JEWS (no mention of the CHURCH ... since many of you can't figure this out on your own).
Daniel makes it clear that its about ISRAEL.
Jeremiah makes it clear that its about ISRAEL.
Jesus makes it clear that its about ISRAEL.
*Jacob's Trouble IS "Great Tribulation."*
It has ALWAYS been about *ISRAEL!* It has never been abotu the Church. In fact, even in Matthew 24, Jesus is asked TWO QUESTIONS and He gives TWO ANSWERS.
FIRST QUESTION & IT'S ANSWER:
*Rapture.* Jesus gives signs to the Church - the terminal generation - to look out for, and when the world talks about His return/rapture (THIS gospel that He was talking about, which is the "good news" of the rapture/His return ... not "THEE Gospel") and then the *END* comes. The rapture is the END for all saints of all generations. The Church does not have a monopoly on the Rapture OR Heaven. It is for ALL Saints of ALL generations, even before both the Church and Israel existed.
SECOND QUESTION & IT'S ANSWER:
*Second Coming.* But pay attention. Jesus has totally shifted His attention FROM the Church TO the Jews who are left behind. He mentions the holy of holies of JEWISH Temple, of which Gentiles have no part. He mentions the JEWISH Sabbath of which is a sign of who true Jews are, and Gentiles have no part. He even says to FLEE JUDEA! Clearly, these things are all about hte Jew, not the Church. But more importantly, as He is addressing ISRAEL, He mentions "Great Tribulation" ... but what Jesus called "Great Tribulation" is nothing more than what Jeremiah described as *JACOB'D TROUBLE!*
Both Jeremiah and Jesus literally, litearlly are talking about the same exact period of time that is trouble for the JEWS! Never has this been about the Church until psuedoChristians and unloearned hypocrites made what is clearly about the JEWS to be something that involves the Church.
The worst time in human history. So bad, it will never be that way again. But JACOB will be delivered out of HIS trouble:
Jer 30v7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Mat 24v21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
EXACTLY THE SAME!
Jacob's Trouble / Great Tribulation has never, ever, been about the Church. It has ALWAYS been about ISRAEL - the descendants of Jacob!
In fact, the Second Coming of Jesus will never, ever happen until the JEWS REPENT AS A NATION. Tha'ts right. This world will never see the Lord until the JEWS finally wake up and repent!
Mat 23v39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
That was stated to ISRAEL! It was never, ever, stated to the Church! Therefore, the Second Coming will not even happen until the descendants of Jacob - the Jews - wake up and repent to the One they rejected 2 days ago.
@@DonCornelius366 I do not believe this Pretrib narrative holds any validity Scripturally or historically, the problem is that in the past 200 years the Pretrib has evolved from Historicist eschatological view and has added to its tapestry of a new eschatological view. Having studied Early Church eschatological views the evidence is overwhelmingly Premillennial and holding to a Posttrib of the Church being persecuted by antichrist. It is a false notion that the Apostolic Christians believed that Church replaces Israel, it was Augustine in his writing of the City of God that he places the Church as the apple of God’s eye.
It was Edward Irving who first came up with Dispansationalism in 1827 with John Darby and Scofield adding their bits to it. They have denied the grafting of Gentiles into the commonwealth of Israel or their adoption into the house of Jacob, Jacob’s trouble is our trouble as well as national Israel.
@@russelljones2305
[[I do not believe this Pretrib narrative holds any validity Scripturally or historically,]]
Then do you "believe" you are doomed?
FACT #1
You cannot hide behind "i believe in Jesus" anymore than the Israelites could hide behind "I believe in YHWH". They believed more than you do.
FACT #2
You cannot hide behind the paper title of "Christian" either. The Jews are children of PROMISE! That didn't get them in. Some Gentile with a title most certainly will not get in.
FACT #3
Numbers 13 & 14 clearly shows God taking their UNBELIEF IN HIS DELIVERING POWER as a direct sin against Him. God didn't even defend Joshua, Caleb, Moses or Aaron. He said that He has heard their murmorings [of unbelief] against HIM. In fact, God was so angry at their UNBELIEF, He was ready to wipe out the entire nation:
[Num 14:11-12 KJV] 11 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them? 12 I will smite them with the pestilence, and disinherit them, and will make of thee a greater nation and mightier than they.
And you dare type your first words of, "I don't believe"?? REally? Do you not fear God?
FACT #4
Hebrews 3&4 clearly warns the Christians, in a retelling of the story in Numbers 13&14 to NOT BE OF THAT SAME *UNBELIEF* IN GOD'S DELIVERING POWER! Warning the Christians that is they are of that same UNBELIEF, they will NOT be allowed into the Rest (Promised Land Above - Heaven) just as Isarel would not allowed into the Promised Land below!
In fact, the author warns against sinning against the Spirit, and hardening your hearts to the Truth, saying it was to PROVOKE God's anger, and says they could NOT ENTER BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF. Not the golden calf, or sexual sin, or murmuring agianst Moses. But they were REJECTED AND CAST OFF BECASUE OF THEIR UNBELIEF!
Heb 3v7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 *Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation,* in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, *They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.* 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12 *Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief,* in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, *harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.* 16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 *And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that THEY COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF.*
Why is this important? Because what you BELIEVE can bring Glory and Honor and Praise to God ... and what you BELIEVE can literally be INSULT and SIN that is directly against His nature! And this sort of UNBELIEF is:
-spitting on the testimony of Abraham!
-mocking the deliverance of Noah!
-spiting on the testimony of Job!
-mocking the deliverance of Lot!
-calls God WEAK!
-calls God UNFAITHFUL!
-calls God UNJUST!
That is why He takes UNBELIEF in His delivering Power so personally. And that is why no post-tribber (or preterist) can hide behind "I believe in Jesus" cause ISRAEL can say that better than you Gentiles can, and it didn't save them one bit!
Something to think about ... IF you fear God.
But also:
Heb 4v1Let us therefore *fear,* lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to *come short of it.*
Fear and learn from the blunder of Isreal, least you also "come short of entering." And while Israel could not enter the rest, which is mearly the Land that was Promised, if you fall short of this, that Rest you will not obtain is HEAVEN!
Better learn the lesson from Israel's blunder, for Israel is your example.
Now, if I bothered to validate it SCRIPTURALLY or HISTORICALLY, you would be in terrible trouble. I won't devote much time to it, but the only way you'd answer is by literally condemning yourself as you fumble for an "answer" instead of considering each of these things:
-Jesus said He will keep His people FROM the hour (not "in" the hour
-Abrahams Testimony that God will NOT punish the righteous just to get at the wicked (but there is no place to hide in Tribulation)
-Lot's testimony of the same.
-Noah being "lifted up" prior to the wrath to fall
-Lot being "snatched away" prior to the wrath to fall
-Matthew 24 is a two-fold question that clearly shows Jesus answering hte CHURCH about the RAPTURE, then shifting His focus to the JEWS and the SECOND COMING.
-Jesus telling the JEWS that THEY will never see Him again UNTIL they repent as a nation. Sopmething He never told the Chruch. Clearly, the Second Coming is for ISRAEL.
-the fact that the souls of the saints, and the 24 elders, are already IN HEAVEN {before} the First Seal is even broken!
-the uncountable number
-the fact that prior to Tribulation, we read "he that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches" ... but once Tribulation has started, all we see is "He that has an ear, let him hear" ... and there is NO MENTION of the Spirit or the Churches in that context again. Anywhere.
-the fact that there is NO MENTION of any Christian, or Church, and not even Repentance once Tribulation begins.
[[Having studied Early Church eschatological views the evidence is overwhelmingly Premillennial and holding to a Posttrib of the Church being persecuted by antichrist.]]
... you've not "studied." You've either been deceived, or you deceived yourself. But this too is Prophecy, for religiosity will be rampant.
And the Church absolutely was PRE-Tribulation. Clearly seen in the Biblical Church and the writings of the Early Church as they opposed all others.
[[ It is a false notion that the Apostolic Christians believed that Church replaces Israel, it was Augustine in his writing of the City of God that he places the Church as the apple of God’s eye.]]
That is an ignorant statement. The Church does not "replace" Israel. That is not even a Church Doctrine. It's the invention of men. Nothing more. Replacement Theology is demonic.
[[It was Edward Irving who first came up with Dispansationalism in 1827 with John Darby and Scofield adding their bits to it. ]]
This is also irrelevant. Dispensationalism is obviosly Biblical, but this is not the beginnings of the Rapture. It is obvious that mankind once had no Law. They will be judged by their conscious. It's also obvious that Moses gave the Law to ISRAEL. They will be judged by the Law. Its also obviously that Grace is by Jesus, and Gentiles have never been under the Law anyway. Only a simpleton thinks God would Judge the ancients or the Gentiles by the "Law of Moses" when it didn't even exist yet, or they never even heard of "Israel" or any "moses." That is the mind of unthoughtful men who do not know God's Character. So, the dispensations are obvious. Only a simpleton would think God would Judge someone on merits of "Jesus" when they have never even heard of Jesus or the Gospel.
FACT #1
The Saints of Thessalonica were PRE-TRIBULATION believers. They thought they MISSED the Messiah (can't "miss" something that visibly returns).
FACT #2
Irenaeus (130AD - 292AD)
Against Heresies 5.9
“so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”
Cyphrian (200AD - 258AD)
Treaties of Cyrphrian
“We who see that terrible things have begun, and know that still more terrible things are imminent, may regard it as the greatest advantage to depart from it as quickly as possible. Do you not give God thanks, do you not congratulate yourself, that by an early departure you are taken away, and delivered from the shipwrecks and disasters that are imminent? Let us greet the day which assigns each of us to his own home, which snatches us hence, and sets us free from the snares of the world and restores us to paradise and the kingdom.”
Ephriam (306AD - 373AD)
On The Last Times 2
“Or do you not believe unless you see with your eyes? See to it that this sentence be not fulfilled among you of the prophet who declares: “Woe to those who desire to see the day of the Lord!” For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.”
... and others.
Hi...can Jacob please address covid Vac and linkages to mark of beast....thank you
Be careful about "mark of the beast teachings." God also has a mark and it isn't visible - see Exodus 13:9. The mark of the beast might be physical, but it might not. Better to avoid other things that could potentially mark you as Satan's like saying the shahada (converting to Islam) in order to be able to buy and sell.
@Sean Redmond . I think he has addressed this in a fairly recent ' Catching up with Jacob ' broadcast. I think he said it wasn't the Mark, but it is all preparing for that . Then there's the vaccination passport idea, we won't be able to buy and sell without it if it comes. I have been saving food for a few years , in tins and packets . K
We know Christ will only appear in the clouds with His Army when He returns. Any other deception is just that.
One eye symbolism. :(
eye see that !
@@Anthony-ix3rp Be cautious of those that choose that.
@@holylandfan3275 surely they must have known what they were doing ?
@@Anthony-ix3rp You just don't decide to use that randomly. They know. I back off of people once they show you who they are and what they are really all about.
@@holylandfan3275 I noticed Dean did not even answer..he usually replies to comments.
I cannot see any evidence from scripture that the wrath of God will only occur after the rapture. Most of the parts of revelation that describe Jesus coming. All the curses or terrible things have happened already
It's very evident in the Greek. Read through Rev 6, 7 and 8. The first time the wrath of the Lamb and the Lord is mentioned is Rev 6:17. The 7 seals are referred to as tribulation (Satan trying to destroy all believers.) but it's not wrath. Chapter 7 sees 144000 sealed (Israel) and a great multitude appearing before the throne (rapture.)
Ch 8 there's silence for half an hour and then the Lord's judgement begins with the trumpets and ends with the bowls. Hope this helps.
Where in the bible does it speak of a seven year period in reference to the great tribulation? It doesn't. Daniel 9:24 tells us that there will be an end of sin offerings, within the 490 year time constraint, in which the prophecy [must] be fulfilled. Where are we told -- that is, in the bible -- that there's a pause in the prophetic time clock? Nowhere. Why do so many people think then that there's still 7 years yet to be fulfilled? The Hebrew word for "sins" doesn't just refer to sin, but also to sin offerings. Making an end of sins would fall way beyond the 70 week period, as that will not transpire until after the great white throne judgment. Jesus is the One who gave rest to the sacrifice and oblation in Daniel 9:27. See, Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 10:9.
Daniel 9:24 tells us that Jesus must be anointed. In Matthew 12:6 Jesus said there's One greater than the temple here. He was referring to Himself. The [Most] holy being anointed in Daniel 9:24 is Christ. In Matthew 5:17, 18 Jesus reminds us that He came to fulfill the law. Again, Daniel 9:24 speaks of the anointing that must take place. Jesus is our High Priest according to Psalm 110 and the book of Hebrews. According to the law, prior to entering the priestly ministry one must be washed and anointed. Exodus 40:12, 13. Jesus said in Luke 4:18 that "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath anointed Me...". So then, in order to fulfill the law and the prophecy, Jesus had to be washed and anointed. This of course took place when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan River, where the Holy Spirit is recorded as descending upon Jesus. Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32.
In Daniel 9:25, we're told that Jesus comes at 69 weeks. Messiah in Hebrew means anointed or anointed one, which comes from the Hebrew word anoint in verse 24. Namely, what's being stated is that when Jesus came at the 69th week He was anointed in order to begin His ministry. This is a serious problem for those who think there's still a 7 year period left to be fulfilled. First of all, the 490 years have long since passed, and it's the traditions of man that pervert the Truth stating otherwise. Additionally, in order to fulfill the prophecy stated in verse 24, Jesus had to die; raise from the dead; and ascend into heaven into the true tabernacle of God (Hebrews 8), to atone for our sins. Not only is Jesus our High Priest, but also our propitiation. I John 2:2. In other words, to restrain the transgression; make an end of sins; make reconciliation for iniquity; and bring in everlasting righteousness is referring to the new [covenant], as referred to in verse 27. Jesus is the One who confirmed the covenant. Galatians 3:17. The high priest had to take the blood of the sacrifice for atonement into the holy place. Leviticus 16:12, 17. Jesus did just that. Hebrews 9:11, 12. If Jesus didn't raise from the dead we would still be in our sins. I Corinthians 15:17. Only the High Priest could give the sacrifice and take the blood thereof into the holy place. Thus, Jesus had to raise from the dead before He could atone for the sin of the world. Jesus told Mary to tell His disciples that He was now ascending into heaven and that He would see them in Galilee later that day. John 20:17; Matthew 28:10; Mark 16:7. It was after this that Jesus breathed on His disciples, prior to ascending back into heaven, to receive the Holy Spirit. John 20:22.
Daniel 9:26 tells us that Jesus would be cut off (crucified) after 62 weeks. Keeping in mind that the 7 week period -- that is, the time allocated to the rebuilding of Jerusalem/the City of David -- comes before the 62 weeks, which, when added together, of course equals the 69 weeks spoken of concerning the beginning of Jesus' ministry. Jesus' ministry began at 69 weeks and He was crucified [afterwards]. Simply put, Jesus was cut off somewhere within the 70th week. Verse 27 is clear in that Jesus was crucified in the middle of the last week, 3 1/2 years after He was anointed. It's important to note that there is no time given for the destruction of the city. We know that it would happen following Jesus' crucifixion and it did.
All of verse 27 is given to Christ fulfilling the new covenant, and has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:15 concerning Daniel 12:11. Abomination(s) in Daniel 9:27 is in the plural, although, in Matthew it's in the singular. It was because of the overspreading (to the uttermost ends of the world) of abominations that Christ made astonished. Daniel 9:27. See, Isaiah 52:14 where we're told just that. Astonied is used there which comes from the same Hebrew word found here in verse 27. Verse 27 goes on to speak of that which was already determined to be poured out on the Ruined/Cursed -- which is speaking of Christ -- until all is completed. Jesus speaks of this in Luke 12:50. Jesus who knew no sin became sin that we may be made the righteousness of God through Him. II Corinthians 5:21. Cursed/Ruined is everyone that hangs on a tree. Galatians 3:13.
The anti-Christ only has authority to [act] for 3 1/2 years. Revelation 13:5. Nowhere is it stated that he has 7 years. Simply put, he will not be making a covenant with Israel to then break it within the first 3 1/12 years of his "reign" as so many opine. You'll never find this idea mentioned anywhere in scripture. It's, unfortunately, just another perversion of God's inspired word.
Therefore, when anyone adds time to the prophecy of Revelation, their names will be removed from the precious book of life. Revelation 22:18, 19. The consequence for adding to or taking away is the same. If you add to, God's wrath abides on you, as the plagues equal God's wrath (Rev. 15 and 16). John 3:36 tells us that those who do not believe in Christ will not see life and the wrath of God abides on them.
There's so much more to discuss concerning the perverted and twisted mid, pre-wrath, and post-trib doctrines. There's certainly just as much nonsense being taught by pre-tribers as well. Although, of course, they're correct with regards to the timing of the rapture. God's will be done.
@Sandra No thanks and you should really stop listening to him because he is leading people like you astray. If you are truly sincere about knowing the Truth you need to seek the Lord to assist you in your studies. Take some more time, if you have at all, and look at my post where scripture tells us Daniel's 70 week prophecy is [already] fulfilled. The Lord will help you. It will be worth it because then you can stop believing lies and from calling the Lord the anti-Christ. This is one of many teachings of the bible that Jacob twists and perverts, like so many others do.
In Matthew 24 Jesus speaks of 2 separate comings. One with a sign and the other without -- that is, the first is as a thief in the night and the second is when the [world] will see Him. He will not appear where all will see Him and also as a thief where no one will, except those who are watching for His return, at the same coming. Matthew 24:29 tells us what happens immediately after the [tribulation] of those days. Jesus teaches us that [He] will cast those into [g]reat tribulatio[n] who refuse to repent of their evil deeds. II Thessalonians 1:6 conveys that God considers repaying [tribulation] to those who trouble believers a righteous thing. Romans 2:8, 9 reminds us that only the unrighteous will endure [o]rge and thlipsi[s]. In other words, the tribulation/wrath is from God for the unrighteous, thus, if you repent and abide in Christ, you will not be here immediately after the tribulation. You'll already be in heaven.
Additionally, Matthew 24:30 tells us that the world will see Christ coming an [mourn]. Where does the bible tell us that when we see Jesus, at the [b]lessed hop[e] of Him appearing, that we will lament while beating our chests (mourning)? Nowhere. Furthermore, in verse 31 and Mark 13:27 Jesus tells us that He will [send] His angels to both gather in heaven and earth. However, in I Thessalonians 4:16 Jesus is said to be descending from heaven [Himself] to call us up. No angels descending to gather on the earth here because this is the day of the Lord that comes like a thief in the night, just as depicted in I Thessalonians 5:2.
II Thessalonians 2:1-3 is also very twisted in the way Jacob teaches it. Yes, verse 1 is speaking about the rapture. However, you cannot start at verse 1 because Paul started this teaching in chapter 1. Chapter 2 is the continuation of such and there shouldn't be a chapter break. Again, 1:6 tells us tribulation comes from God, not the devil as Jacob teaches. Verse 7 is clear in that we will rest (rapture) while Christ and His angels are revealed. The revealing is speaking of the wrath of God. See, Revelation where the wrath of God is implemented through His angels. Verse 8 reminds us that the tribulation in verse 6 is being poured out on "them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of [our] Lord Jesus Christ". (Emphasis added). Still no mention of the righteous going through this tribulation (great) that Christ told us there has never been nor will ever be like it again. Verse 9 speaks about eternal punishment that follows the Lord coming back to be glorified in His saints -- that is, to reign on the earth.
Then we get to chapter 2. Verse 1 speaks of the rapture. In verse 2 Paul reminds the people, us as well, that the day of the Lord hasn't come yet. Which day is he speaking about because there's more than one being taught in chapter one? For example, the rapture (v. 7) and then the great tribulation (vs. 6-8). In 2:3, Paul teaches that the day of Christ -- that is, where Jesus returns to destroy the anti-Christ (judge and make war; Rev. 19:11) hasn't come yet because we have yet to be gathered together (v. 1). Paul tells us that first the anti-Christ and rebellion must be revealed, then, the day of Christ will occur. He doesn't tell us we, as believers, have to identify anti-Christ before being caught up. Remember, we go and rest [before] this takes place. Verse 8 tells us exactly what day of Christ is spoken of in verse 3. There we are told that once he is revealed, that Jesus will come and destroy him. Again, to judge and make war.
Keeping this in mind, look at what we are told in Hebrews 9:28. Those who eagerly await (looking for) Christ, not anti-Christ, will Jesus appear to the [second] time, apart from [sin] unto salvation. Namely, Jesus is coming the 2nd time to rescue/deliver (salvation/rapture) us from the great tribulation. Who is the anti-Christ also referred to as being? The man of [sin]. See, II Thessalonians 2:3. Clearly, since Jesus' 2nd coming is apart from [sin], such has nothing to do with the 3rd coming where Christ will then destroy the man of [sin].
This is only the beginning of the plethora of biblical evidence of a pre-trib rapture. You are simply repeating the traditions of man that are not founded on the Truth. Worship Christ, not Jacob Prasch.
God's will be done.
@Sandra You claim that I'm coming across as though I have all the answers, when I know I don't, and yet you appear not to take issue with how Jacob and the like who more or less say they do. The first red flag about Jacob is that, although what he's selling isn't [all] based on Truth, the fact remains that he's doing what you'll never find in scripture as being good in the sight of the Lord. Simply put, [selling] the Word of God. "And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make [merchandise] of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." II Peter 2:3 (emphasis added). What did Paul tell us? "I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel." Acts 20:33. See also, Acts 8:9-23 where Simon the sorcerer tries to buy that which is not for sale. This is true concerning [a]ny and al[l] of what the Lord has given us [freely].
You're seemingly offended that scripture invalidates your idol's teachings. Are you that prideful that you refuse to recognize what scripture says as opposed to what Jacob tells you it means? Check your heart.
If the Lord was your teacher, you wouldn't be espousing this garbage. You speak of pride and hear you are violating scripture. Women are not to teach [doctrine]. Why? Because Eve was deceived. I Timothy 2:11-15. See, Titus 2:3-5 where it conveys what women are encouraged to teach. You don't find women teaching scripture in the bible and that should be clear to [everyone] whose Teacher is the Lord. Read your bible while allowing the Lord to guide you, keeping in mind that you have to be willing to get rid of the traditions of man in the process. You are placing the teachings of man above God's Word. What little bit of scripture I have provided you debunks the pre-wrath post-tribulation doctrine, as it does concerning [every] other doctrine outside the pre-trib. You are being taught by those who are deceiving you awhile being deceived. II Timothy 3:13. Take the time to read all of II Timothy 3. Jacob fits the description(s) there in more than one way.
Go back and study scripture provided to you in my posts and honestly compare such to Jacob's teachings. You should be offended by the fact that the Word of God is being perverted, not that I'm bringing such to your attention.
God's will be done.
@Sandra Revelation 2:22. If Jesus doesn't cast us into great tribulation then where is it you think believers go? There's so much more proof of a pre-trib rapture that I've yet to share with you. You're simply repeating Jacob's talking points. I happen to disagree with [many] pre-trib teachers. It's not the doctrine that's false, it's their ideas about the doctrine that are. You cannot reconcile your false doctrine with scripture so you just refuse to believe. Revelation 22:18, 19 is very clear. If you add to the prophesies the wrath of God will be added unto you and, likewise, if you you take away from them your name will be taken out of the precious book of life. When you add 3 1/2 years to the tribulation you have violated the warning. When you place the church as being in the tribulation you have added as well as taken away. In a nutshell, you have added the church as being where it doesn't belong and taken away from where it does. According to scripture, [n]ot m[e], many so called believers have been omitted from the book of life including you and Jacob for violating the aforesaid warning. Take the Word of God seriously. Salvation should be more important than your doctrine.
I'm not bashing Jacob. I'm coming against his false teachings. Again, you don't seem to take issue with Jacob about the things you're accusing me of as he bashes people quite often.
Matthew 24:14 tells us that the [end] comes/begins after the gospel has been preached in all the world. Verse 15 tells us when this is. The word "therefore" is being used here. Why is this relevant? It is a conjunction. In other words, it is used to establish when the [end] begins which is the abomination of desolation. Again, when you understand that Daniel's 70 weeks are already fulfilled, it makes other prophesies easier to understand. The abomination of desolation occurs, the moment the first seal is opened, where the anti-Christ sets up his kingdom (tabernacles) in that glorious holy mountain. Daniel 11:45. It is Mount Zion, the city of the Great King. Psalm 48:1, 2. He will be standing where he is not supposed to be. That is to say, where Christ Himself will reign as King on the throne of David which is in the city of David. David took the city therefore he/they called it the city of David. II Samuel 5:6, 7, 9; I Chronicles 11:4, 5, 7. Ariel is another name for the city of David where David dwelt. Isaiah 29:1. Mount Zion is the same as Ariel. Isaiah 29:7, 8. There's many other portions of scripture that depict that Mt. Zion is the holy mount, which is the same as the city of David/Zion/Jerusalem. The anti-Christ comes riding on a white horse with a bow and a crown on his head. Revelation 6:2. He will reign as an evil king in the city of the Great King.
The [end] spoken of in prophecy is a season which encompasses several different events. So we know when the beginning occurs. Let's see if scripture tells us the rapture happens [before] the beginning of the [end]. I Corinthians 15:23 speaks of Christ coming back for us. Then, in verse 24, we are told the [end] comes. The same [end] Jesus teaches on which begins in Matthew 24:15. The completion of the [end] is stated in I Corinthians 15:26 where death is the last enemy to be defeated. Revelation 20:14, 15 tells us that [death] and Hades are cast into the lake of fire which includes any that are not written in the book of life.
First the resurrection/rapture, then the beginning of the [end]. You can claim, as Jacob and others do that the pre-trib rapture only came about in the 1800's all you want. You believe something that isn't Truth while denying what is.
God have mercy and His will be done.
-each week is a SEVEN YEAR period
-time stops when the Messiah is rejected, leaving us with ONE FINAL WEEK
-Daniel makes it clear about the FINAL WEEK, which is a period of SEVEN YEARS. Painfully obvious. Daniel never divides that time and makes it 3 1/2 years. Never. But Daniel makes it clear that at the 3 1/2 year mark it gets worst for the JEWS!!
This is the "Time, times, and half time" and "time, times and dividing of time" and the "42 months". These passages are NOT talking about the full week, but what happens in the half of that FULL WEEK, which is a full SEVEN YEAR PERIOD.
The antichrist will betray ISRAEL in the MIDST (Aramaic word for midst is MIDDLE) of the full 7 year period.
Therefore, the full period IS, and have always been understood, as SEVEN YEARS.
But it gets really bad, particularly for the Jews, at the 3 1/2 year mark (in the middle).
@@DonCornelius366 When does Messiah come in verse 24? After 7 weeks plus 62, which equals 69 weeks. What does verse 24 tell us [must] happen within the 70 weeks (490 years)? Among other things, that the the Most Holy or Holy Holy must be anointed. What Hebrew word does Messiah -- that is, One who is anointed -- originate? From the Hebrew Word to anoint in verse 24. What does scripture tell us about this particular anointing that has already taken place? In Luke 4:18 were are told "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because he hath anointed Me...". Where else in scripture are we told of the Spirit of the Lord being upon Jesus? In Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32. When did this happen? At Jesus' baptism.
So then, we are told that Messiah -- that is, Jesus who was [anointed] at His baptism -- came at 69 weeks where His ministry had just [begun]. He is now being referred to One Who is/was anointed in Daniel 9:25. Interestingly enough, "sins" in verse 24 can also be interpreted to mean "sin offerings". Verse 24 is speaking of the new [covenant] where sin offerings [must] come to an end within the 70 weeks, not after. Thus, sin cannot be what's meant here because such has yet to end and won't until [after] the great white throne judgment some 1,000 years plus in the future. So here we have an end to sin offerings and a new covenant being referred to. Namely, to say that the anti-Christ, who isn't even mentioned in this prophecy, is going to make peace treaty with Israel, when he is going to come conquering and to conquer (Rev. 6:2) is nonsensical. Jesus never speaks of peace concerning the great tribulation. In fact, He tells us just the opposite. See, Matthew 24:21 (stating so).
In Daniel 9:26, we're told that Messiah (Jesus) will be cut off, but not for Himself [after] 62 weeks. Can Jesus be cut off before He comes at 69 weeks? No. You have to add the 7 weeks that comes before Jesus is cut off after the 62nd. Again, which equals 69 weeks. So now we know that Jesus is cut off after 69 weeks. What does this tell us? That His crucifixion occurred sometime within the 70th week.
Verse 27 tells us that Jesus (He) shall confirm the covenant with many for the last week. What covenant. That which is referred to in verse 24:
1. To restrain the transgression. The fall of man. Because Adam sinned, all have sinned. Romans 5:12-21. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23. Thus, the transgression is only restrained because it still applies to the unrighteous.
2. To make an end of sins. Again, this is putting an end of sin offerings. Jesus cried out it is finished. John 19:30. What was finished? He gave Himself in place of the blood of goats and bulls which cannot take away sin. Hebrews 10:4. He took away the first (old covenant) in order to cause the second (new covenant) to stand. Hebrews 10:9.
3. To make reconciliation of sins. See, John 3:16 and I John 2:2 and many other portions of scripture. Because of Christ we are reconciled to God. II Corinthians 5:19.
4. To bring in everlasting righteousness. The righteousness of God is everlasting. Psalm 119:142. We are made the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus our Lord. II Corinthians 5:21.
The whole 70th week is given to Christ. Then, in the midst (middle) of the 70 week, Christ is cut off where He took away the sacrifices for sin and gave Himself in their place. He is the once and for all. Hebrews 9:28. The rest of verse 27 speaks of why Christ did what he did.
Because of the overspreading of abominations, where He made those who looked on Him astonished (desolate: to stun, astonish). This goes to Christ's death and Isaiah 52:14 is the parallel account to this where we are told just that.
Until all is completed. Jesus tells us in Luke 12:50 that He has a baptism that He must be baptized with. He is speaking about His death. Jesus goes on to say that he will be afflicted throughout this process until all of it is [complete], just as is spoken of in Daniel 9:27.
Finally, Daniel 9:27 conveys that all that is determined will be poured out on the ruined (desolate). Ruined is synonymous with cursed. Why is this important? Because we are told that Christ took our place by hanging on the tree, in Galatians 3:10 where we are also told that anyone who hangs on a tree is cursed. Galatians 3:17 goes to the fact that it was Christ Who has [already] confirmed the covenant.
God's will be done.
question: do we as christians have to go through 5 full seals and THEN comes the rapture? IS the 6th and 7th seal GODS WRATH? for unbeleivers?
Why doesn't Jacob quote Greek here? Αινοσ?...! The pre trib are not going to get it!
Remember the ribbontrop agreement was secret?
I think the world has been in tribulation since they murdered Jesus.
At the 4th seal ..And power was given unto them (death- the them is the 10 horns/nations and Mystery Bablon, the whore - pagan religion who are judged in Rev 17) to kill 1/4 and because of the death and mayhem that "THEY" create, God says ENOUGH!!.. And his wrath starts in the 6th seal and thats why its says in Rev 6:15 And the "kings of the earth" (horns), and the "great men, and the rich men" (Mystery Babylon, the likes of every demonic rich organisation that runs under the banner of religion), and the chief captains, and the mighty men... say mountains and rocks fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Dean, what's with the one eye ? You know what that means ?
With so much disagreement on the issue of when the rapture takes place, and so many different views on what the relevant scriptures mean, I have come to the conclusion that no-one is right, no-one has all the truth and never will have until the ‘time of the end’ as stated in Daniel c12 v9v4 and v9. People will only use the scriptures that support their particular view and ignore those scriptures which may conflict with their view. Typical human behaviour!.
This being the case, and with so many differing and confusing views, it seems clear to me that the Holy Spirit, not being the author of confusion, is not the author of any of them. If He is, which one? I know what I believe. The Lord Jesus Christ, my Lord, Saviour and Redeemer who died for me at Calvary, took my sins upon himself in his own body, and shed His wonderful blood to wash me clean, and who filled me with His wonderful eternal Holy Spirit, is coming back soon. I want to be ready and looking for His glorious appearing, my blessed hope. Either He will take me home when I die, or He will take me when He returns for His bride, the church of the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ve decided not to get caught up with all this anymore. I’ve been studying eschatology since 1977 and I’m still not sure.
"With saints redeemed in glory...Let us our voices raise...Till heav'n and earth reecho...With our Redeemer's praise....Sweeter as the years go by...Richer, fuller, deeper, Jesus' love is sweeter as the years go by"
@@donlaity4801 Amen to that Don! Thank you for your reply. May our dear Lord bless you and your family. See you soon, my friend and brother in Christ.
Nope!!! 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
The woman: National Israel.
The woman: gives birth to a son, the man child.
The man child: 144,000 born again Jewish men from Israel.
The remnant: 1/3 born again Jews from Israel.
The sun: Joseph’s father (Gen 37:9-10).
The moon: Rachel
The stars: 12 tribes of Israel.
v5 And she (National Israel) brought forth a man child (144,000), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God (raptured), and to his throne.
Isaiah 66:6-8
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
(During the 6 and 7th Seal the 144,000 are sealed to go through the 6 Trumpets and they are caught up at the 7th Trumpet).
v6 And the woman (Nation Israel) fled into the wilderness (Petra), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (In the middle of the trib when the Antichrist takes the temple etc over) Matt 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let “them” which be in “JUDAEA” flee into the mountains. ( Pretty clear its whoever is in JUDAEA)!
Verse 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( Here Satan is cast down to earth God takes back the 2nd planetary system, the mystery mentioned in Rev 10:7, is completed).
v12 Woe to the inhabitants (Christians saved after the rapture, Israel and the Remnant).
v13 (Satan persecuted the woman (Israel) who flees to the wilderness).
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman ((National Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (through persecution etc they are saved),which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Satan tried to destroy ISRAEL, not succeeding, then goes after Jesus at Armageddon.
The woman is the bride, the elect lady, the remnant is Jewish and Gentile believers in Yeshua, Revelation 12, New Testament says Jew and Gentile are one, 12 times, (echad) literally married together and married to the Bridegroom Yeshua
Why would we be harpazo, taken up twice, pretrib and Rev. 12, Yeshua will not have two raptures, one for Jews who don't believe and one for Christians. Brit Chadashah New Testament says in 12 places Jew and Gentile believers are one, echad, married together, no two raptures only one after the seventh trumpet, Revelation 12:1-14 is the exact same event as 1Thessalonians 4:17, Paul and John are prophets prophesied about the same event backing each other up like true prophets do giving us massive confirmation...
Jewish and Gentile believers in Yeshua are the holy remnant, read Roman's 11. New Testament says 12 times that there is no longer Jew and Gentile, we are all one United in Yes, echad, literally married together. "You shall suffer Tribulation," but not great Tribulation, great Tribulation is the final 3 1/2 years, the seven bowl judgements which we will only witness from the wilderness, Revelation 12, we are the woman, the elect lady, 2John 1:1. John wrote revelation, this is the same woman mentioned by the same John at Revelation 12. Think about it, no two harpazo's, raptures, only one, Revelation 12:14 and 1Thessalonians are the one and same event by two prophets, Paul and John...
1Thessalonians and Revelation 12:14 are the same event...
The one eye was creepily looking at me. Great message but a bummer it was cut short. Had the pre-trib view for a long time. Then Jacob and others changed that. Now a pre-wrath trib. But lately I've been reading scripture that say endure to the end, on the last day..., at the end...etc. Now I wonder what the last day means. Last day of the 7 years or last day just before the wrath of God...knowing we are not appointed to God's Wrath. So where does the no rapture crowd come from? Are they planning to go through the wrath of God?
Let me share what the Holy Spirit taught me on 2 Thes 2:7
It came in phases over many years..
Pastor Jacob, I’ve never heard you address this nor any Pastor? But I believe once you examine it, you’ll see it fits like a glove???
TEST IT... And hold fast to what is good...
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By examining the Greek in
2 Thes 2:7, the second half of
the verse is a very bad English translation.
•As a result, this is a prime example for a hotly contested verse amongst evangelicals today.
“ The Greek verb translated here as (“taken” out) is “ginomai.”
Ginomai is used some 400x in the NT...but ONLY once and ONLY in this verse it’s translated as: “taken” out...
This is a huge Red flag 🚩
•Ginomai 1096: means to be made from nothing, made manifest; performed, fulfilled, achieved, accomplished; to bring to pass.
•Whenever you see the phrase “And it came to pass,” that’s ginomai. John was ginomai (made to be) in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day (Rev 1); See also John 1:3=used 3x
Now with this bad translation in English, from 2 Thes 2:7, many of course interpret
“until He is taken out of the way”
to be the (726) HARPAZO in Greek; the caught up event, that follows the First Resurrection, or the Latin translation as Rapture...
But if the Holy Spirit meant Caught Up (what most call the rapture) in 2 Thes 2:7, why didn’t He just use harpazo like He did in
1 Thes 4:17?
He is not the author of confusion...!!
The Spirit uses HARPAZO (726)
in many places in the NT.
Examples:
Paul is caught up to the third heaven; the two witnesses are caught up in Rev 11; John is caught up in Rev 4:1.
A very similar English translation of “taken out” is rendered in
Col 2:14. Though here the Spirit used the Grk verb AIROS. This is
a good translation...
In Acts 1:11, where Jesus is taken up, the Grk verb (353); ANALAMBANO =a very good translation.
As such, by applying a method of possible word choices,
I discovered some 20+ Greek words the Holy Spirit could have used that would have adequately communicated this idea-which our English Bibles translate as “taken” out.
But the only problem is the Holy Spirit used none of these...
He used ginomai;
“...ginomai ek mesos.”
“...fulfills; performs; brings to pass (ek mesos) from out of the midsts.
“...until He brings to pass
from out of the midst.”
•This is what 2 Thes 2:7
is saying in the Greek.
•NOT “...until He is taken out of the way.”
The “He” here is Christ and by the CONTEXT of the previous thought, the Holy Spirit is saying through Paul..
Until Jesus Christ brings to pass from out of the midst;
(the unrestraining or loosening)
This ties directly into the heavenly throne scene in Rev 5-6:1, where from out of every created being in existence, only Jesus is worthy loose the seals from the midst of the throne.
•The first seal Christ unrestrains or looses brings forth the antichrist.
•Back in 2 Thes 2:8
Paul says, AND THEN the lawless is revealed...
It’s Christ who looses the first seal and this releases the antichrist after the church falls into great apostasy. I believe this is exactly what Paul is teaching doctrinally.
•The antichrist’s appearing is
not because the church has left the earth in the rapture.
The mystery of lawlessness is currently restrained by the UNapostate or faithful church.
•Thus, the first half of 2 Thes 2:7,
the PreTrib Theory has correct.
The first “He” is the Holy Spirit amongst Christ’s body of believers. Collectively we are the temples of the Holy Spirit.
The church body is the salt and light and has Christ’s keys of authority...
•BUT what happens when salt loses it’s saltiness? What happens when the church hides Christ’s light under a bushel? What happens when our keys of Christ’s authority are rejected and abdicated and we in rebellion adopt the love of the world as doctrine?
•Major parts of the church body, embracing the LGBT agenda are
a prime example of open rebellion within the church; as you well know...
IE: the Great falling away.
There are many examples now.
All of which are signs we are indeed living in the last days..
When the mystery of lawlessness is no longer restrained by the churches’ faithfulness but rather the church falls into great apostasy on a grand scale,
Christ, Himself, looses the first seal=
=CAUSE/EFFECT of the antichrist coming forth into power. It’s God who is in control of this timing but it’s the churches apostasy by which He makes this judgement.
“For judgement begins with the house of the Lord.”
This is why Paul says in (verse 6), “And NOW you know what is restraining...” Know what Paul?
You NOW know what I just told you in (verse 3) to set the record straight.
•It’s the UNapostate church that is restraining... And you have not missed the First Resurrection as some have claimed...
NOTE: PreTrib theory reads into the 2 Thes 2 text and teaches the Thessalonians were worried they had missed the rapture.
Not true!
The Biblical record shows us Paul was correcting their anxiety over missing the First Resurrection which precedes the Rapture.
We know Paul sent Timothy to Thessalonica. And we know Paul had addressed this missing the first Resurrection issue with Timothy.
(SEE 2: Tim 2:16-18).
Paul told the Thessalonica Christians, regarding the last days sequencing of events, that the First Resurrection will not happen until after the antichrist appears...
•This then, instead of being a proof text used in PreTribulation rapture theory;
IE: that the church will be raptured before the antichrist shows up,
Thus, becomes a definitive proof text that the church will see the antichrist and go through the 3.5 yr (not 7yr) of GREAT Tribulation;
And 7 yrs of Trib + Great Trib... IS a KEEN Insight you’ve taught...
This one discovery of Ginomai in the Greek by the Holy Spirit’s teaching is significant...
Therefore, given this translation error and many others in our modern versions, my approach to Scripture for many years now is to only treat orginal Hebrew and Greek as Inspired.
(And we have no excuse to study the Greek or Hebrew with the computer Biblical language tools we have been given. In spite of this, it’s as you say, We do indeed have a famine of the Word of God.”
Romans 13:1-7 is another place where the Greek has been neutered in English...
Paul is not talking about human government submission but submission to holy ministering/avenger angels as Herod the Tetrach experienced in Acts 12 and Balaam encountered in Num 22... Careful study of the Greek reveals this...
Note: ’m certainly not with
the KJV only crowd at all. But as a word for word older translation version, KJV does a better job overall in holding to the original Greek in most cases. I believe we have good English translations generally speaking but none are perfect.
Why? Bec again, I’ve seen the English mistranslated to many times to not think this. And chances are if it’s a verse the church has argued over,
it’s the Greek...
Thus, God’s Inspired Word remains intact.
... the only red flags I see are when a non-scholar and someone who doens't even know the Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic alphabets says that linquists and scholars have "bad translation".
Have you ever even read of "Translators to the King" and "Translators to the Reader"? I sersiously do not believe you even know what those things are. You should look them up and read them. Learn how DEADLY SERIOUS those *qualified* men were in their translations! Not to mention their 14 point checklist in which, if they found even a word that was 1 - word over in the wrong place, they would scrap that entire part and start over from scratch. They were THAT sersious!
So, I find it very offensive when some nobody on social media who doens't even have a 'certificate' (nevermind an actual undergraduate degree ... and forget any higher level!) says that the translators did a bad job.
YOU clearly do not understand that evolution of ENGLISH!
The translation in OLD ENGLISH is not bad. The problem is always the fact that the ENGLISH LANGUAGE HAS EVOLVED! So, stop criticizing what you do not know, or understand.
Lamentations 5v10 is a good example. Hebrew Israelite culties say Hebrews were black because this translation says "BLACK like an oven."
I'm British. Kings English (REAL English). I know how English has evolved from Old, to Middle, to Modern English. Back in the 1600s, the words "black" and "hot" were SYNOMYMOUS. They meant the same thing! But in 2021, the words 'black' and 'hot' do NOT mean the same thing. But people like you call it a "bad translation" but it is nothing more than an evolution of the LANGUAGE AND CULTURE.
The translators did not give a bad translation. It's you non-scholars who don't know anything that is the problem.
“Ginomai ek mesos”--translated as taken out of the way is not a good translation...
Ginomai appears some 400x + in the NT and its only rendered as taken out in 2 Thes 2:7-
There are some 23 Greek words that the Holy Spirit could have conveyed if He wanted us to understand this was the harpazo..Namely using harpazo itself...
I have a BA in Biblical Studies and I am certainly learned enough in how to apply Greek... Not that it matters as the Holy Spirit is out teacher not a man made title of scholar...
My reference is Spiros Zodiates -the most profound Greek scholar on the planet...
@@jsmith359 ... I've never been one interested in repeating myself, particularly when its in WRITING.
FACT #1
There are plenty of passages beyond 2 Thess that indicate a Rapture. PLENTY. A good chunk of Greek too, including ek, so I agree on that, but who are YOU to tell the Holy Spirit what word His must use in a language that is not pure?
FACT #2
I was an Aspirant for a Doctorate in Biblical Studies, 2003, with Liberty Baptist University (now called "Liberty University"). You probably should try to hide behind works or education with me.
As Paul suggested, 'they think they can hide behind their boasting of works, but I have far more to boast about than they do, if I but even dared to'
-BORN into Christendom
-RAISED by devout parents of whom I can find no sin
-DISCIPLED by my father and his peers since my youth
-READ religious books since my preteens
-CALLED to repentance in 1991 (called for 7 years)
-STOOD AGAINST homosexuality, doing the work of an Apologist, before I even know what an "apologist" was.
-CALLED an Apologist in 2000
-ASPIRANT for a Doctorate in Biblical Studies 2003
-MULTIPLE articles
-MULTIPLE journals.
-LEAD mens groups
-... not lost a debate
Stick to what is WRITTEN, not what you think I would be impressed with, and what is WRITTEN, is clearly a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, with or without a singular Greek word, OR it's OLD ENGLISH translation.
Oh ... I'm also BRITISH. Pretty certain i have a much better on King's English ... since that is what English comes from (England). Hence, I know the problem is always with the evolution of English, not the disrespect people have on those learned scholars. SCHOLARS AND LINGUIST my good man ... not undergraduate accomplists. There is a very distinctive difference.
The Harpazo is real. All you have to do to know it’s timing sequence is follow the mystery...
It occurs on the heels of the first resurrection and it’s in the days of the sounding of the 7th Trump...
To get a preTrib rapture requires much Scripture twisting...
This is the message the church needs to hear... Knowing that we who are alive and remain (literally in the Greek=alive and survive) -shall go through the Great Tribulation...
There is no secret Rapture...
@@jsmith359
[[The Harpazo is real.]]
... you invent some personal imagination, over ONE ancient word, of an OLD ENGLISH translation, and you allow that to cause you to go to Hell? Really? Here ... I will settle this folly, and I won't even need to touch that passage.
1)
*Abraham testified of God's Character that IT IS NOT GOD'S NATURE TO PUNISH THE RIGHTEOUS JUST TO GET AT THE WICKED.* But Revelation, and Joel 3, and Thess, all make it clear that there is no safe place to hide. So, tell me, are you greater than Abraham? Do you dare spit on the testimony of a man God called His friend? How is he your "father of faith" when Jesus Himself even told the Jews, "this Abraham did NOT do" (you do what Abraham did not, and have the nerve to call him yoru "spiritual father")? This clearly, clearly denotes a PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Clearly not Post. It is certainly not an "endurance" of.
2)
*Job also did the same, testifying of God's Character that IT IS NOT HIS CHARACTER TO DO EVIL,* just as Abraham did. Tell me, are you greater than Job? Do you know Him better than Abraham and Job, both of whom God called 'righteous'? No. Here is what I see. I see a man who has so much {more} than Abraham and Job ever had, but knows God's Character far {less}. Again, Revelation says there is no safe place to hide. So how does Abraham and Jobs testimony measure up against the end? This clearly points to the Character of God and a PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Clearly not Post or an endurance of trouble.
3)
*Noah was "lifted up" from the earth. He was not preserved in it. Clearly he was lifted up above the earth BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SAFE PLACE IN THE EARTH!* This is an example of God's deliverance. And God refused to send the flood {until} Noah and his family were safe in the Ark. And yet, for all your paper-thin, Undergraduate 'seminary,' you dn't even see the spiritual telling of what is clearly foreshadows of God's Character and Nature. Clearly this is symbolic of PRE-TRIBULATION, not Post.
4)
*Lot was "snatched away." And like Noah, he was not preserved {in} Sodom, but removed from it, as THERE WAS NO SAFE PLACE IN THE CITY.* And like Noah, God refused to send His wrath until {after} Lot was safe! Again, there is {no safe place} to hide during the Great Tribulation! So, where in the world do you think the Saints are? Clearly, like Noah, this is symbolic of a PRE-TRIBULATION Rapture, not a Post event.
5)
Which leads me to my 5th point, which is the fact that *YOU CANNOT FIND A SINGLE REFERENCE OF ANY CHRISTIAN, OR CHURCH, OR GOSPEL, OR EVEN REPENTANCE ANYWHERE IN REVELATION WHILE TRIBULATION IS GOING ON IN THE EARTH.* Please don't bother to try. I've no desire to refute you and show you {Israel} where you think its the {Church}. You are teetering on Religiousity without a Relationship ... and it shows. That is why Abraham and Job are far greater men than you, and they didn't even have any Prophets, Law, messengers, Grace, Comforter, Bible, Books, ... or Seminary School. There is literally no mention of these things anywhere in the Text. It behooves you to ask yourself, "Where is the Church? Where is the Spirit? Where is the preaching of the Gospel?"
6)
In Revelation, prior to the Tribulation beginning, we read:
HE THAT HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS TO THE CHURCHES.
But further in Revelation, once Tribulation has begun, we only read:
HE THAT HAS AND EAR, LET HIM HEAR.
Tell me, after 4 years of supposed study, you cannot see that *THE "SPIRIT" AND THE "CHURCHES" IS {MISSING}!?* So, where did they go? Why are totallly removed from reference for the entire time in Revelation while Tribulation is going on in the Earth? Here's why: PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
7)
The evidence ... is painfully obvious. Once the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) is gone, mankind plunge into total chaos! Sin and lawlessness is everywhere. This world will no longer have a "conscious" against doing evil and will do whatever it wants! Why do you think Jeremiah and Jesus called it the worst time in human history!? What do you think the Rider on a Red Horse and Peace that is {removed} from the earth means!? *Why do you think Revelation says, four times, that MANKIND WILL {NOT} REPENT!?* How can they!? Its the {Spirit} who calls men to repentance! But the Spirit is {gone} with the Church, and there is no such thing as mankind repenting at all in those days!
7b)
*What? You don't know that it is HELL WHICH FOLLOWS DEATH?* Where do you see 'Paradise' following Death, or 'Heaven'? You don't! Revelation is very clear that it is {Hell} which follows Death! So, where do you think the dead are going - to Paradise!? How, when it is {Hell} that follows, swallowing up all the dead in Deaths wake!? But you Post-Tribbers sin a great sin against God.
7c)
It's the Church's job to preach the Gospel, but as I already mentioned, its the Spirit's job to call men to Repentance. *So, why is it we SEE AN ANGEL DOING THE WORK OF BOTH THE CHURCH AND THE SPIRIT?* Because the Spirit and the Church are already gone! It is an angel that is telling mankind the only way to be saved in those days - to not take the mark or bow to the image. That angel says {nothing} about Jesus, {nor} the Cross, {nor} the Blood, {nor} repentance, {nor} belief! He doesn't even tell the world to turn from sin! The Dispensation of Grace {ends} at the Rapture! Christ is the Ark! Once the Door closes, its closed! Those on the inside do not get out. Those on the outside do not get in. The Church Age is {over} at the moment of the Rapture. You Post-tribbers are blind.
8)
*Revelation is painfully clear that the souls of the saints, and the 24 Elders, are IN HEAVEN, {BEFORE} THE {FIRST} SEAL IS EVEN BROKEN!* How do you think they got {in Heaven} BEFORE the FIRST Seal was broken, if there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture?
9)
*The UNCOUNTABLE NUMBER ARE THE SOULS OF THE SAINTS OF ALL GENERATIONS!* They are all saints, since the first martyr Abel, all the way up through Abraham, all the way up through Moses, all the way up through Malachi, all the way up through Matthew, all the way up to the last truly converted Christian! That is why the number is so vast and cannot be counted! Clearly, that is no Post event!
9b)
Odd how you talk about Greek, but you completely ignore common sense and the Greek, ek. *This uncountable number did not "come out of" (again, Old English translation) but are SAVED FROM! THEY NEVER EXPERIENCED IT!* And there is no such thing as the whole planet (and then some!) coming out of the Tribulation anyway! This number is greater than the population of the earth of any generation!
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*The same Greek word - ek - that Jesus used to say HE WILL KEEP HIS PEOPLE {FROM} THE HOUR.* Do not pretend with me about Greek, lest you find yourself swimming in o-stems, passive middles, aorists, etc, which you will not be able to answer. The fact is, it is not "in" or "during" the hour, but {from} it! Clearly, this is PRE-TRIBULATION, not "mid" or "post" language.
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*ANATHEMA MARANTHA.* That is Pre-Tribulation through and through!
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*And the biggest whammy to you theory (not 'theology') IS THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING - EVERYTHING - POINTS TO {ISRAEL}, NOT THE CHURCH!*
-the 144,000 ae JEWS MALES! There isn't a single "Christian" OR "gentile" in this entire number! What? Did God forget about His Church!? According to you distorting Post-Tribbers, He does.
-God sends demons to torture the whole planet. The only people who are not harmed, are the 144,000! Are you telling me that God will send {demons} to torture His own Church!? Are you a fool!? This is why you will be rejected because you literally {SIN} against God! To even suggest this foolishness about Him is demonic!
-when Satan is perma cast out of Heaven, he comes straight to earth to persecute the {woman}, who is {Israel}!! Why isn't he coming after the Church!? Think, man!! Why in the world do you think there is 'war in heaven' to begin with? Why is their war after all these eons? What event is Satan trying to {prevent}? Think, man!
-Jesus told the {Jews} that {they} will never see His face again, until {they} repent as a nation. He never said this to the Church! Clearly, the Second Coming is for {Israel} and {Israel} only! The Rapture is for all saints, but the Second Coming is for Israel! You clearly do not know the PROPHECIES concerning the Seed of Promise. Clearly. Or maybe you distort them and keep yourself blind as you deny the Truths.
-the 2 witnesses are in Israel
-Matthew 24. OMG how you people can't even read like normal adults and mess up Matthew 24. Simply put, Jesus was asked TWO QUESTIONS and Jesus gave TWO ANSWERS. One was to the terminal generation Church with signs to look out for concerning the Rapture, and the other was to the Jews who will be left behind, concerning the antichrist and the Second Coming. What Jesus called "Great Tribulation" is exactly Jesus' reference to what Jeremiah called "JACOB'S TROUBLE" So, over and over again, we see Jews, and zero Christians.
*JESUS WILL NEVER, EVER RETURN, UNTIL THE JEWS REPENT, AND THE JEWS WILL NOT REPENT UNTIL THEY ARE PURIFIED BY THE FIRES OF JACOBS TROUBLE. THE RAPTURE IS FOR ALL SAINTS OF ALL GENERATIONS, BUT THE SECOND COMING, IS FOR ISREAL AND ISRAEL ALONE!*
I am, by no means, exhausted. But I told myself I would stop at 10 points, rather than all 43. There is so much more ... and I don't even need to touch 2 thess (nor remention how using the Lord's Name in vain is condeming [the "holy spirit" taught you ... error?]) ... but there are also several passage that clearly, clearly show the CONDEMNATION of Post-Tribbers because of their UNBELIEF IN GODS DELIVERING PASSAGE.
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Man I didn't make it past 3 minutes and 45
As soon as I hear the word rapture I know that you're a liar
why is it a lie?
It’s not a lie, please research the Bible as is, not the rewired version of the last 100 years! Don’t follow man, follow Christ’s teachings! God bless
Porsha Marshall they are mockers and scoffers just ignore them.
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And he gives them a delusion because they loved not the truth
Revelation speaks of three types of believers during the tribulation
Those that become angry and take their guns and go out and start killing
And die by the sword.
the second group is complacent and they sit at home watching the news and TV evangelist who teach them lies like Easter bunnies and Christmas trees and rapture..
These get rounded up to a FEMA camp and are executed after 10 days.
the third group are those who have been keeping the Sabbath and the feast days and he leads them through the second Exodus.
Read your Bibles
Miracle Yasha yes I know the scriptures well - and the rapture is real for the firstfruits, as it was for Enoch, Elijah and Christ Jesus Himself- the dead in Christ shall rise first, both those in the grave and those dead in Christ in this final generation --- the general rapture banter is deception, but the snatching away of His choice will happen. Be well in the Lord