Top 10 Things Feud: Capote vs The Swans Got Factually Right & Wrong
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Fact, fiction, or stranger than fiction? Welcome to MsMojo, and today we’re counting down our picks for the most notable plot points from the second season of the anthology series “Feud” that were grounded in reality and those where the writers exercised creative license. Our countdown includes Capote meets his boyfriend in a bathhouse, Ann Woodward kills her husband, Bill Paley’s bloody affair, and more! Which of the fabricated storylines did YOU initially believe was true? Let us know in the comments below!
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The Harry Truman and Anne Woodward showing up at the ball. On the other hand, loving it as much as I did, I did not believe the reconciliation on Fifth Avenue had ever happened. For once, a dying woman wouldn't be gallivanting on the street by herself.
@@MalenaLannisterI agree with you except for your last statement. If you love New York City and you love Manhattan you would want to take it in before you had to check out.
@@IntriguedLioness Agree, but not alone. I have a dear friend who's surviving all the chemo and radio and she can barely walk without a stick and never goes out alone. She's had a couple of bad falls at home, so I guess Babe wouldn't have been by herself or walk so briskly. Still, it was a lovely scene.
A solid and factual piece. Especially regarding the Black and White Ball. It lived up to expectations. As CZ Guest later said, " Truman wanted it to swing, and it did!". It lasted well into the wee hours and it seems most didn't want to leave. Even a breakfast was served. Prior to that, the cuisine consisted of several of Truman's favorite Southern dishes, which were tasty and well-received. It was Capote's deliberate epicurean counterpoint to the otherwise lavish affair. Another example of Truman's overlooked common touch: When two young actresses who had appeared in the movie 🎥 IN COLD BLOOD (Brenda Currin and Mary-Linda Rapelye) visited New York together, Truman' got in touch with them and took them out to lunch.
I knew Truman wouldn’t have thrown Anne Woodward out like that at the ball. It was just too cruel. He could be cruel, but that’s just so against old school manners, it couldn’t be true.
Babe was betrayed by 2 of the most important men in her adult life smh I get why she never spoke to him again
Well guess that was her karma for betraying and abandoning her own kids
@@julesjay424 I wonder what came first. I'm trying to find out what was the story with her children. I know she was jealous of Barbara and made her life hell, but Barbara's brother was always on his mother's side. I don't know what happened with the children she had with Bill, especially why Kate was so bitter.
@@MalenaLannister apparently her kids wanted nothing to do with her, except for one son
@julesjay424 she didn't abandon her children. Like all wealthy children they, had nannies and/or went to boarding schools. Just like Lee and a Jackie...etc...etc....her grandchildren found her loving,caring and fun. So.....
@@MegAplin Her children didn't go to her funeral. That's pretty bad and doesn't imply she was a good mother beyond the trappings of being wealthy with nanny's etc.
the encounter between Babe and Capote on the street was all in Babeès imagination at her therapists office...it was not supposed to be seen as real.
Thank you that’s what I thought 🙏🏼
Exactly!
It’s a good thing because the mannequins in the Bergdorf Windows had 21st century clothes on…..
That makes sense now.
Really? Interesting. Dream sequences are used throughout, so this was one of those? The thing I am wondering is this: when Babe visits her house alone at the death scene portion, is the scene where the help is dining together, and she sees the moth a real scene? I was romantically thinking that since she is there without guests, that she has a dinner party for the help. Is my imagination running away with me? I was thinking that the scene, where she sees the moth, is where she collapses and is taken to bed. However, things about that episode don't ring true. If she is so ill as to need a wheel chair, she isn't really digging into the earth and also carrying wood , right? I've watched that portion of the episode many times. So I'm thinking that the "too late" conversation with Truman, in her mind, goes over to hearing the daughter enter the room and then she dies. It's all quite mesmerizing. Your thoughts?
Truman really could have tried to disguise which real life friend he used for each character if he really loved them. I doubt he ever really did.
He loved being wealthy and free... even though he was neither.
He loved the success of his one, true, flash-in-the-pan... even though he squandered every ounce of what could have been a much larger wave.
He loved no one
I think he both loved and hated them. They were stand-ins for his own mother, who abandoned him and neglected him, but was social climbing and glamorous. Psychologists have actually studied this situation, which I find hilarious.
If he never truly loved them, he would have published the whole thing before he died. It was nearly complete. I wish I could read it complete. He was already ostracized, but I guess he had a conscious after all.
@@grwoobie1297
He especially didn't love himself: self-destructive to the very end!
@@beverlystraus9300 truth
As a New Yorker, I can honestly say that this show has been more hyped than Capote's actual ball. My hat is off to Ryan Murphy's marketing team.
I too, thought that the conversation of them meeting on the street was a fantasy during a therapy session. He hurt her so deeply that I don’t think that relationship could have ever been restored. She was more hurt by Truman’s betrayal than her own husband’s betrayal. She did say that Truman was the love of her life even though it was not a sexual relationship.
Your video captured the truth about Capote and Ann Woodward in the respect of her calling him a homophobic slur and him coming up with "Mrs. Bang Bang," but that's pretty much all there ever was to their relationship, namely that one encounter. She was never one of his swans, she existed on the fringe of society because of the shooting, and his swans and the rest of society pretty much shunned her because they didn't believe for a minute that the shooting was an accident. I've read in the past that after the incident, her vindictive MIL pretty much never let Ann out of the house without momma being with her, so her appearances in the series are pretty much completely fabricated. She may have killed herself partially because of the short story, but Feud has way over embellished her presence in the life of Capote and his society ladies. She simply wasn't a factor until her death, when the swans could all then shed crocodile tears over a woman they never cared about in the first place just to make themselves look good.
Also, the swans were never in competition for GOH at his ball - Capote wanted to give the ball for HIMSELF, but knowing he couldn't do that, he picked Kay Graham from the beginning because she simply wasn't competition for his swans in terms of glamour (nor was he going to risk, at that time, falling out with any of them).
It would have been truly amazing to see a documentary about the Ball. And who doesn’t love Grey Gardens?! And Katherine Graham, was a truly remarkable woman.
Yes!!
The Edies !! ❣️
@@cher_cherEdies
Once he realized he was the combination court jester at dinner parties invited to entertain, the famous male friend the wives could have to amuse themselves and run around with, that the husbands didn't have to worry about, he started to feel used. The husbands didn't feel threatened by him, and he knew it. He was their wives lap dog. They were all filthy rich and powerful. He wasn't. Until one day he decided to show them how really powerful his pen was.
And apparently the swans weren't very nice people. God knows what he saw and what they said about each other, and how they treated people. None of them seemed to care about their children. Just a bunch of shallow social courtesans who couldn't age gracefully. Ironically, he made them famous 50 years later, otherwise, who would be talking about them today? Nobody.
truman actually does appear briefly in footage of one of the grey gardens shoots by the maysles at east hampton
either at peter beards or andy’s. that
particular video is called ‘that summer’.
Tom Hollander and Naomi Watts deserve EMMY'S for both of their performances. They were FANTASTIC! I, however, never knew the depths to which Capote sank, both behaviorally, alcoholically and drug addiction wise. If Hollanders portrayal is even semi-close to reality, Capote was a TRULY repugnant train wreck!
I'm betting Hollander, Watts and Lane get Emmys.
The worst thing a parent, husband or friend can do is abandoned their child or wife and friend. But when it happens it creates an Anger so deep because of rejection. He spent his whole life looking for a true mother figure. He became a lost soul.
I'd hoped the show would have shown the aunt on his mother's side that raised him and encouraged his writings. She also became a writer later in life. Some of u may remember her....Google the Fruitcake Lady. She and Truman fell out in later years too because he never looked back when he became famous to those who took care of him.
Wait what?! The fruitcake lady raised him?
Excellent production values in every way, and I LOVE the appearances of the beautiful and talented ladies "of a certain age." Watching it is like a freeway accident. You want to look away, but can't. It's a given that private conversations events are scripted. I have not believed the "truth" of any of it, but the characterizations are devastating, especially Capote's. What a horrible group of people!
Why did Demi Moore have dark brunette hair? Ann Woodward had a dirty blonde hair color?
Also Slim. She didn’t have pure brunette hair by the late 70s. And she was always wearing tinted shades. I hate how they didn’t research this thru a simple google search.
@drstranger7430 OR look at her photos at that time, or at least close to that time. I feel RM wants to entertain and let's the details slide.
I'm fascinated by Truman Capote's life. I'm a avid reader but the lives of the authors whose books I read never interest me, he's the only one I really wanna know more about. It seems to me that he cared more about his work than anything else because it was he's onlu true love besides his mother who was allegedly rejected by high society. A truly interesting character to me.
He should have finished answered prayers . They might have hated him but he immortalized them
Same here. Ann Rule is one of my favorites too. I didn't hear about her passing until about a year after she died. I've read almost every one of her books. Her book on Bundy was fascinating because she actually knew him. I'm watching the Feud every week. So I had to get In Cold Blood out and read it again.
@@nancyvillines4552 I've just bought Laurence Leamer's ebook Capote's women. I didn't even know about this show. I watched The Capote tapes tho and knew about the swans.
@@RenataSantos-qw4pz thank you. I'll check it out. I've been meaning to watch the Capote tapes. So I'm going to watch it today. And get the book. I'm watching the Feud every week.
@@nancyvillines4552goodness, I didn't realize she's dead
That scene where he finds Babe on the street was definitely written and played as fabulist. It's a good bit of writing with Babe almost floating away on a cloud. A great example of lying to tell the truth. This is a really great show.
Candace Bergen in that CBS interview said she remembered it being boring, and I believe Frank Sinatra and Mia farrow were highly anticipated and left after less than an hour
I thought their masks were very lackluster… I expected her to at least have something more fancy
I wonder why the ball fizzled, at least in the minds of most attendees. Was the music lackluster or inappropriate? Were interesting parlor games or contests conducted? Was the quality of food and drinks lacking? It seems strange Truman failed at delivering on his plan to host a spectacular ball. Perhaps he might have tried working with a team of collaborators to help masterfully plan and execute his formal soiree. Don't know..
I knew Truman, having met him at Studio 54.
I would love to know what he was like.
Why did they cast a brunette to portray a famously blonde Ann Woodward? Would you have a brunette to portray Marilyn Monroe?
He described anne as a malious Betty grable, can't get blonder than Betty!!!
She was not widely known
Why not , she was not blonde naturally
@@reeserichard3224 You find me a photo of Ann Woodward as a brunette. Go ahead. Find it.
@@arribaficationwineho32 She was well-known in New York society.
Grammatically better: She died without ever speaking to TrumanCapote again.👩🏻🏫❤
The way it’s spoken makes it sound as if she spoke to him when she died (…until her death)👏🏼👏🏼🫶🏼love your channel! TY💗
I noticed that as well. Funny how they don't revise or proof their copy.
Affairs just aren't the same today that they were then
A better title for Answered Prayers would have been Rich People Fucking
Love the background music changing
I was re reading and teaching To Killi a Mockingbird when this came out. I see Dill differently and understand him better
The friendship between Truman Capote and Harper Lee has always interested me.
Such a great book, I loved it.
@@sarahalbers5555
I agree. I’m a voracious reader, and it’s in my top five. In fact, I’d probably put it at number two - with The Kite Runner at number one.
I was definitely interested in the Slim and Bill rumor. Glad it’s not true because that would be so heartbreaking for Babe. I see from the comments that perhaps some of friends did try to get with Bill after she passed away.
Now I need to look more into this because reading some of the books and listening to podcasts - I thought it was true.
Look more into that. My mom had someone's biography, at the time I had no idea who these people were. When I watched this series; I remembered the bio stating It was true Bill & Slim had an affair.
@@WeknowCoCo I was not impressed by her whatsoever.
I wonder if Lee Radziwill would really have pronounced it "GILL a tine". I bet she and Jackie knew the french pronunciation. I'd have expected any of these women to know and use it, for some reason. Fancy Schmancy as they were and all.
If HULU would get their shit together and fix their channel then maybe we could start watching it again. They have it mixed up with the Joan and Bette feud!!!!
I have the same problem. The only way I've been able to watch any of the "Swan" episodes is right after a new episode drops.
I am watching it on Hulu right now. No problems. Maybe you just need to update your app and you also need to use the dropdown box to change seasons.
I had this problem, but then learned that you must go to "Episodes", get in the column for seasons, and scroll up, so you go ABOVE Feud Joan and Bette. It is there. Scrolling down gets you nothing.
I contacted them abt that. I will watch joan and Betty when I am ready but don’t deviate me to that
Omfg yes!! Takes me 10 mins to get to it
What a great actor this man is! I don't even know his name but just got it right.
I’ve been reading the books about Capote & the Swans and as far as I understand it - Bill Paley thought that David O Selznick was bringing President Truman along? That & that the Swans were comfortable having someone outside of their circle honored bc of jealousy. The Swan Pod (podcast ) is very good because she has several authors on who have written these books that FEUD is based on. I love your format, but the fact checking is seriously lacking. At least now I know not to go by what is stated as “fact” in other videos.
I loved it it was well done and the performances were all terrific lots if Emmy's here !
It was terrific !
Feud is the Best shows of decade.
I understand that this is a fictionalized story but the thing that I really can't stand is when they get actual Historic Facts wrong. In the part that takes place in 1955 when on the plane Capote mentions flying into the Bermuda Triangle. The term was not coined until 1964. Also Capote says to Bill Paley that he should call the 60 Minutes people when 60 minutes did not premier until 1968. At least get the real stuff right
I saw that scene. Person to Person or See it Now was on the air in 1955.
He really became Truman !
I wanted to know if it was true that Slim Keith had an affair with Bill Paley
It’s highly unlikely and there is no substantiated claim to tie the story on the show to.
it's not true. In fact, he had an affair with a young blonde, named Joanna, throughout Babe's illness. When she died, rumor has it that her friends all set their cap for him, but he never remarried.
I've read all of the literature on this topic, and no. In general though I feel the series is very impressive :)
By the time Babe died Slim Keith was not the young blonde beauty she had been and she was incapable of fulfilling the role Babe played as the chatelaine of all the Paley's homes. She was also too old for Paley who was looking to spend time with younger women and who had a mistress at the time of Babe's illness.
Thank you for this. I could not stand to watch the show, but your 15min was about the perfect amount
The way he humiliated woodeard at the white ball.
Did you not watch the video, that never happened.
These people had everything and they were still miserable
I thought the final run in of Babe and Capote on the street in the movie was a dream thing.
Wow Moore looks like Margot kidder a lot
Tom Holland was extraordinary as Truman. I hope he is rewarded.
Was "Betsy Bloomingdale" a swan ??? I remember years ago that Truman betrayed her as well...
Not that I ever read anywhere. She mostly stayed on the West Coast in any case. I don't think she and Truman had any association with each other at all.
I think the woman who left blood stains in Paley's bedroom was in fact Pamela Harriman the wife or soon to be wife of former New York Gov. Harriman and not Happy Rockefeller who would not have cheated on Nelson Rockefeller because he was a lot richer and more powerful than Paley. These women as a rule never traded down if they could avoid it. Harriman went to bed with Paley to pay Babe back for snubbing her when she got to New York and because in fact she had a brief affair with Paley in England during the war. Pamela Digby Churchill Hayward Harriman had affairs with Edward Murrow, William Paley, John Hay Whitney and Averill Harriman during WW II . World War Two lasted six years and she was still married to Randolph Churchill. I think this is where the confusion was in this story-in identifying which Governor's wife.
Good lord that woman was open for many
I miss miniseries
there still a thing
@@jimbo9208but not nearly as many and definitely not as good as they used to be. Hopefully that will turn around.
@@lisamorrison214 so who cares about there still a thing so you cant miss something if there not gone
@@jimbo9208
They’re, not there.
@@lisamorrison214
I agree. My mother and I used to watch all of them together. Did you have a favorite miniseries? My favorite is Lonesome Dove; although there are many contenders.
The swans each believe they're the guest of honor. Have a happy friday afternoon, Rebecca. Take care and God bless you, greetings from Colombia to you as well.
Capote was a Genius. Most writers are, my Mother being 1 of them.
I cant believe these socialites Babe Slim would not deter Truman from serving chicken hash///?
I really wanted to love this show. Already knew the story and characters ... the actors are amazing but... meh - I have been disappointed with Ryan's shows for awhile - I really wanted them to lean into what NY society did to his mother - what he valued - and what he did not. The ball is a perfect example.
Babe Paley was stunningly beautiful. I’m surprised she has such a small and unassuming headstone.
Lee Radziwell never would have said gill-i -tined she would have used the correct French pronunciation. I thought that was the mistake of the actress. Also Elsie Woodward is only speculated to have paid off the accused intruder to say he had broken into the Woodward house there is no proof she actually paid anyone.
Its called ~ ARTISIC LICENCE ~ NO BIGGIE!
It's a great television series filled with truth and funny parts.
The TV show shows O'Shea hitting Capote several times. Was this true? I've never read anything about this.
Ann woodward two sons commited suicied too..
We will never truly know if it was accidental when she shot her husband
I loved the series despite my disappointment after learning the creators pad the narrative with false events. I mean, why purport to tell the real story if you have no intention to do so?
Omg, just seeing the ad breaks makes me fuck right out of this video.
Unpopular opinion, Demi Moore is awful in this
What wasn’t she awful in ?
when is she not? She overspeaks all her lines.
AGREED.
Completely disagree.
She was never much of an actress to begin with.
Ann Woodward anc her son crashing the Black and White Ball
Why, oh why, did Chloe Devigne use that phony affected voice? It sounds so fake. I'm also angry that with all the wigs made for the program aren't the right color! One would think the producers could at least get hair color right. C.Z. Guest was a blond as was Ann Woodward. Demi Moore was miscast.
Agreed! The Ann Woodward part should have gone to Connie Britton - perfect dirty blond. CZ was beautiful in real life.
Well for starters, in Ep.1 you never would have seen a black person at a Givenchy show in 1968 seated next to the likes of Babe Paley!
If that woman was on her menstrual that bad how was she alive still
Horrid hair era
This series is such a let-down. All fantasy of the writers and stupid scenes that never happened. I give up.
I waited and looked so forward to this series...and was so disappointed....it was so drawn out and boring...I would lose interest and start scrolling on my phone...previous Feud with Bette Davis Joan Crawford kept you riveted and wanting more...
Babe Paley would never be seen with such an enormous head.
I found the series quite dull
The actresses all prettier than the women they are portraying, that's for sure
With the exception of Slim, IMO. She was beautiful.
@@courtney3194 yes, better looking than the rest but Diane Lane is equal.
C z was more beautiful in real life.
@@clivecarser7356 I don't know the actress but I was going to say I thought CZ was probably prettier except for stove pipe legs seen in the photo by the pool.
@@clivecarser7356 Absolutely!
I don’t know why but Demi Moore is giving me Jessica Lange vibes