“You always did think I was an IDIOT” hits different when you see the way folks at camp often talked about him in RDR2. Bro definitely had self-esteem issues. It’s a shame he became the exact kind of person he always hated in the end.
The gang talked about him that way cause he always screws up shit for everyone but continues to act tough and smart only valid thing he did in the game was successfully rob the bank in Valentine he insults Uncle and tells him "Nice going Uncle" when really he is no better than him because 5 minutes into the mission he knocks a damn bucket over somehow and gets them into a massive shoot out
@@paulgavian90 Some fight to free there people from tyranny of the regime. Yet the power corrupts you and you become the same thing the previous regime was. You go the same route as Jean Bidel Bokasa Robert mugabe and many other awful dictators. TLDR - Don’t let the power corrupt you focus on what you wanted. Perfect example of following the quotes Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
John certainly still believed that there was still something good about Bill, which is why he gave him the decision to either turn himself in or come with him by force. But John now realized that the comrade he knew had been gone for a long time and that Bill had now become what he feared most, which is why John hoped to finally be able to release him with death.
I think Javier siding with Dutch hurt more than Bill which is why John has higher amounts of contempt for Javier. They were closer. Them, and Arthur. I think Bill wasn't as personal and John understood him in some ways. Javier was smart. He knew what was going on but deferred to his leadership. Bill was just following who he'd thought was right.
@@RyanTheDarkI think it was because Javier was with Dutch when they left John, where’s bill was on the train with Arthur so he didn’t know John was abandoned. And when John showed up at camp Bill’s the first one to react to him saying “John?”. John gave Bill the chance to surrender and said he could help him (probably a lie) but with Javier, he wanted to kill him straight away (depending on the player).
@@lukekiely2450 That and well Arthur, John, and Javier were their own. They were friends, brothers, who were close with one another. From their perspective, Javier was the one who should have sided with Arthur. Sean always idolized Arthur as his older brother, and he would have agreed to help them once the cards were laid. Lenny too, was close to Arthur and viewed him as his older brother figure, just like Sean did, always capable of thinking for himself, of questioning Dutch's sanity when Arthur didn't even noticed. Kieran was scared of Arthur at first, understandably, but after that fishing expedition-oh how he'd wished he could bring him back, he had with him and the whole heart to heart they have, Kieran started seeing Arthur as a lifelong comrade and someone to confide in, so even though Kieran may have been pretty much useless, he was more loyal to Arthur than Javier and Bill ever could be, loyal to what represented the gang in its prime. As for Hosea, that was a no brainer. Hosea was always the more reasonable one out of him and Dutch and he was a father figure to not only Arthur and John, but to literally everyone else as well.
I see that a lot of people - mostly newcomers who never played RDR1 - didn't pay attention to the end of RDR2. At the confrotation between Arthur, John and the rest of the gang, when the Pinkertons appear, Javier and Bill can be seen going together AWAY from Dutch and Micah. Bill and Javier were always good friends, that's why they band together in RDR1. The partnership between Javier, Bill and Dutch ended right there.
I think they were still somewhat conflicted. Javier and Bill were some of the most loyal to Dutch because of how awful their life situations were before he found them. They stayed loyal even when things were falling apart.
And when you get your horse. Only micah, dutch and micah's 2 boyfriends are therr to shoot you. You never see bill and javier among those 4. Also javier did point his gun at you you can see that at last second before pinkertons start blasting
When we just realize bill never left john to die at chapter 6 since he with arthur and sadie at the time yet we still say javier is better than bill at morality
It’s hard not to feel a little bad for Bill. By no means am I calling him a good person, but he clearly tries. Even if he makes a fool of himself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I wonder what happened to Bill after beavers Hollow, for a guy who was all about loyalty he goes and forms his own gang? Why didn't he stick with Dutch?
You can see when the gang splits up, him and Javier go their own way without Dutch and Micah. They knew Dutch and Micah were going off the deep end worse than them.
You know, a remake recontextualizing all the scenes with the former gang members and John's past would work wonderfully. Updated graphics from RDR2, a remade Mexico area, imported features, maybe just a few more stranger missions. Man, would be a dream.
@@hazebaze107 My theory is that Bill mixed up his memories about John and Arthur due to his hate with them both. Bill claimed John “was always one for fancy words” and “having high opinions of yourself,” which can be fitting traits of Arthur.
it is pretty sad seeing how irredeemable Bill has become since the downfall of the gang in RDR2 he had alot of negative traits but genuinely cared for those in the gang and was extremely loyal even gave a sincere apology to Hosea
Tbh I got this game for the ps4 which I'm going to get my ps4 out of the pawn shop in Oklahoma city in March so yeah but after I do that I'm save up for a car I want a car
Javier Escuella literally appears during one story mission, gets captured in the process, and then gets killed off screen 💀
Yeah so sad
@@IndoJordy And Javier Escuella doesn't even have the same voice actor in this one. I wonder what happened to the OG voice actor.
@KC.45 It depends on your choice. You can kill Javier or bring him in alive in the cell or over to Ross and Fordham.
@jasper7714he did
We don’t know for sure if Javier is executed. It’s better just to kill him.
"You always did think i was an idiot!"
"That ain't fair, Bill...we all did."
😂😂😂😂😂
“You always did think I was an IDIOT” hits different when you see the way folks at camp often talked about him in RDR2. Bro definitely had self-esteem issues. It’s a shame he became the exact kind of person he always hated in the end.
He really was an idiot lol
The gang talked about him that way cause he always screws up shit for everyone but continues to act tough and smart only valid thing he did in the game was successfully rob the bank in Valentine he insults Uncle and tells him "Nice going Uncle" when really he is no better than him because 5 minutes into the mission he knocks a damn bucket over somehow and gets them into a massive shoot out
No, he didn't. He became self-confident, finally
This video ends with one of my favorite John Marston quotes, "If you win power, remember why you wanted it."
I'm tryna understand the meaning. I'm assuming don't forget about humble beginnings?!?
@@paulgavian90 Some fight to free there people from tyranny of the regime. Yet the power corrupts you and you become the same thing the previous regime was. You go the same route as Jean Bidel Bokasa Robert mugabe and many other awful dictators.
TLDR - Don’t let the power corrupt you focus on what you wanted. Perfect example of following the quotes Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
john was always the one for fancy words
he “insists”
You were weak minded
0:15 american venom but it's guitar + melancholic
That’s the main red dead redemption theme
John certainly still believed that there was still something good about Bill, which is why he gave him the decision to either turn himself in or come with him by force. But John now realized that the comrade he knew had been gone for a long time and that Bill had now become what he feared most, which is why John hoped to finally be able to release him with death.
I mean both choices are worse since it probably dead penalty anyway.
@@user-oe4zu5or5yturning theirself in could be prison
I think Javier siding with Dutch hurt more than Bill which is why John has higher amounts of contempt for Javier. They were closer. Them, and Arthur. I think Bill wasn't as personal and John understood him in some ways. Javier was smart. He knew what was going on but deferred to his leadership. Bill was just following who he'd thought was right.
@@RyanTheDarkI think it was because Javier was with Dutch when they left John, where’s bill was on the train with Arthur so he didn’t know John was abandoned. And when John showed up at camp Bill’s the first one to react to him saying “John?”. John gave Bill the chance to surrender and said he could help him (probably a lie) but with Javier, he wanted to kill him straight away (depending on the player).
@@lukekiely2450 That and well Arthur, John, and Javier were their own. They were friends, brothers, who were close with one another. From their perspective, Javier was the one who should have sided with Arthur. Sean always idolized Arthur as his older brother, and he would have agreed to help them once the cards were laid. Lenny too, was close to Arthur and viewed him as his older brother figure, just like Sean did, always capable of thinking for himself, of questioning Dutch's sanity when Arthur didn't even noticed. Kieran was scared of Arthur at first, understandably, but after that fishing expedition-oh how he'd wished he could bring him back, he had with him and the whole heart to heart they have, Kieran started seeing Arthur as a lifelong comrade and someone to confide in, so even though Kieran may have been pretty much useless, he was more loyal to Arthur than Javier and Bill ever could be, loyal to what represented the gang in its prime. As for Hosea, that was a no brainer. Hosea was always the more reasonable one out of him and Dutch and he was a father figure to not only Arthur and John, but to literally everyone else as well.
I see that a lot of people - mostly newcomers who never played RDR1 - didn't pay attention to the end of RDR2.
At the confrotation between Arthur, John and the rest of the gang, when the Pinkertons appear, Javier and Bill can be seen going together AWAY from Dutch and Micah. Bill and Javier were always good friends, that's why they band together in RDR1.
The partnership between Javier, Bill and Dutch ended right there.
I need a clip of that. Do it, Indo-J
I think they were still somewhat conflicted. Javier and Bill were some of the most loyal to Dutch because of how awful their life situations were before he found them. They stayed loyal even when things were falling apart.
Then Bill became gay for Javier or something
And when you get your horse. Only micah, dutch and micah's 2 boyfriends are therr to shoot you. You never see bill and javier among those 4. Also javier did point his gun at you you can see that at last second before pinkertons start blasting
"To send someone just a little bit more impressive next time" 😁
😆
Well
@@lukethelegend9705 Red dead Shotgun:Pow
I am more than sure that bill doesn't know what implore means
Yeah, I mean when he uses it he says "implores" 💀
No more Dutch and no more you. Also Arthur Morgan
Arthur was never mentioned in rdr1 so my guess is Arthur didn’t even exist until the making of rdr2 lol
@@brendan594 Yeah, I know :/ I know all about this series long time. 😂 but thanks again Partner, "ıt would mean lot to me"
@@brendan594would’ve been cool if you could visit Arthur’s grave in rdr1
I feel like he should've said "No more Dutch, no more Hosea, no more Arthur and no more you"
@@GangsterPanda92 Hosea and Arthur didn’t exist until rdr2 lol
Even though I never play this one, I've seen some cutscenes with him and he's pretty intense cowboy 🔥 awesome video, bro 💯.
True that bro
What are you waiting for?! Go play Red Dead Redemption, man!!!
john in rdr2 was so disappointing to see after playing thru rdr1 imo
When we just realize bill never left john to die at chapter 6 since he with arthur and sadie at the time yet we still say javier is better than bill at morality
I actually kind of liked Bill. He wasn't so bad, just confused, and at the end of Shady Belle, you can tell he's conflicted.
I like how Bill changed the least in the time between RDR1 and RDR2. He really was kind of one note 😂
It’s hard not to feel a little bad for Bill. By no means am I calling him a good person, but he clearly tries. Even if he makes a fool of himself in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I wonder what happened to Bill after beavers Hollow, for a guy who was all about loyalty he goes and forms his own gang? Why didn't he stick with Dutch?
well bill always talked about wanting to start his own gang
You can see when the gang splits up, him and Javier go their own way without Dutch and Micah.
They knew Dutch and Micah were going off the deep end worse than them.
probably cause Dutch and everyone else in the gang thought of him as subhuman essentially, just a guy who can use a gun
Dutch probably split off first, because in RDR2 Micah said him and Dutch are teaming up again, so it seems they all split off
You know, a remake recontextualizing all the scenes with the former gang members and John's past would work wonderfully.
Updated graphics from RDR2, a remade Mexico area, imported features, maybe just a few more stranger missions. Man, would be a dream.
Bill: You always were one for fancy words!
Me: I don’t remember John said anything fancy while he was in the gang during RDR2.
My single biggest problem with RD2.
@@user-nv2wt4hi8t RDR2 retconned so many things, it might as well considered to be set in a parallel universe from original RDR.
They made John dumber to make Arthur look good, one of the few things i disliked about rdr2
@@hazebaze107 My theory is that Bill mixed up his memories about John and Arthur due to his hate with them both.
Bill claimed John “was always one for fancy words” and “having high opinions of yourself,” which can be fitting traits of Arthur.
“YOU ALWAYS WAS WEEEEAKMINDED!”
John always has that Charlie Kelly from Always Sunny trying to make a “Wild Card” face in this game, and I can’t take him seriously.
thank you 🙏
Your welcome bro
Was this your footage?
@@themadtitan7603His opinions suck.
“No more Dutch, no more Arthur Morgan, and no more you” I pretend he said it like that.
I pretend he goes Dutch, Hosea, Arthur, then John
i love red dead redemption in general it’s awesome
it is pretty sad seeing how irredeemable Bill has become since the downfall of the gang in RDR2 he had alot of negative traits but genuinely cared for those in the gang and was extremely loyal even gave a sincere apology to Hosea
"I implore you" 😂
You can hear the echo from the room they recorded voice lines in
Tbh I got this game for the ps4 which I'm going to get my ps4 out of the pawn shop in Oklahoma city in March so yeah but after I do that I'm save up for a car I want a car
😮
I have a feeling this is how the "Remake" is going to look if it's legit
🔥
In that case, it would be a port/remaster, not a remake. Since it would only upscale the game to 4K rather than use all new and assets and textures.
@@themadtitan7603 if it saves money you know TakeTwo will sign off on it
Damn I hate being right
Holy shit
You have the title wrong this is Marion
4K didn't help
3:25 Dutch reference?
Dutch is in the game
@@myboyfriend95 i know
Javier is better in this game than RDR2.
What. 💀
I implore you for pinning me
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