the truth about chinese rubbers | Ma Long forehand rubber
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- Where to buy the real Chinese table tennis rubber? What Rubber Ma Long use? These are some questions that you search for? Today I will show you the Truth and some Myths about Chinese DHS rubbers. Ma Long plays with a customized rubber and it has a very low throw angle.
You should understand why the pro has chosen his equipment. Don't just copy their equipment (blade and rubber). Ma Long has a reason to pick his best equipment. And this equipment maybe won't suit your playing style.
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Do not forget about the subtitles, please! Nothing I could not be translated into Russian. :-(
I am very interested in your material. Greetings from Russia!
Dear Геннадий с, thank you for your great effort to add Russian subtitles!
A great thank from me! Best regards.
@@pingsunday hi sir, where link why malong use 40 hadness rubber?
“You wont get better if Ma Long gave you his bat” 😂😂😂lmao
ikickslayer YT No but i want his bat🏓👌🔥
Lol
This is a fantastic explanation of rubbers and the importance of finding one which actually suits the user and his/her skill level and ability. There is too much fallacy and too much marketing behind much of what people find. They think the potency of their play is in the exact replication of the tool, but it is not. Thanks for sharing!
Hi, Many thank for your videos, especially "Yin pai" principle: After watching your video and practicing, my backhand became more stable and spinny. Before using this technique I always tried to keep my arm under the pressure during playing. There is a huge stereotype: The more expensive rubber is - the better it plays. I used spinlord RD1 blade with used Tenergy 05, because a local coach recomended me te setup, but recently I`ve bought DHS all blade with milkyway(Yinhe, Galaxy) 9000E MEDIUM + PALIO AK47 YELLOW and It`s easier for me to play, to control the ball.
finally a good coach in the internet, you and me are very similar
So modest
Always enjoy your videos!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas.
Absolutely right. Each player has his own game and has to find the rubber and bat that works for them. I knew someone at Li Ning and they gave me a DHS racquet and Hurricane rubber with blue sponge. I like to spin but I could never get use to that racquet.
your explanation is super cool.. a deeper understanding of why some players use such a rubber.. smart guy ！ keep it up
please make your videos at least 2 times a week you're my favorite youtuber
thank you. I'm only free on my weekends. I will try to make more.
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach ok thanks
Interesting, I never knew about the low throw. The backhand rubber I use ( Yasaka Original XHG) has a throw angle of about 3.6, while my forehand rubber (DHS Skyline 2 Neo) has a throw angle of 5.2
The Yasaka is more bouncer and quite a bit less tacky, how ever I got it in 2.0mm thickness while the Skyline is 2.2mm thickness.
Which one do you think would best suit the Chinese style forehand play?
I tend to have long arm loops. I find slow rubber such as rubber designed to use speed glue , but without the speed glue, allows the ball to stay on my bat long enough for my forehand loop. Whatever bat you have you can devise a way to play.
Thank you so much for explanation, coach! Your videos are always amazing and useful. And can you make a video about tactics for a left-handed player??
Very interesting video! I really want to see more videos about Zhang Jike 😀 Thanks for your work.
myth no 2: you are right coach.
I recently just started playing table tennis, following your advice. I bought a 28 dollar racket. FH Hurricane 3 rubber, BH PF4 rubber. The feeling of the bat really suits me. Thanks for the advice coach.
Its about the feeling of the racket you are using and not the price.
my first racket was about 50 or 60 usd
it was DHS windseries blade with DHS 3 neo but as i got better the blade was holding me back.
For my new racket im going more on a blade that will be better for the long term and the same 3 neos
Thank you so much for this video. Very informative
so in a way and for a certain category of players - and someone please correct me if I am wrong - the professional rubbers like Ma Long uses are more forgiving. For example if playing a heavy topspin loop a player has to balance between forward power and rotation (brush) power. Too much forward power and the ball is too long. Not enough brush, there's only little topspin effect. So in order to increase spin, the ball must be brushed harder. Which means the stroke must be faster (faster arm movement). With that, the ball likely gets also more forward power which may result in a shot too long (missing the table). One of the consequences of using non-pro (normal) rubber therefore should be that there will be a comparably smaller vertical corridor in terms of hitting point of the ball relative to the upper edge of the net for a given maximum stroke power.
With the professional rubbers, the throw angle is in fact lower and the racket feels like "dead" - means it is not very bouncy, but the corridor (angle between hitting point of the ball and the upper edge of the net) should be bigger for still hitting and not missing the table especially for high powered strokes (increased vertical corridor = increased maximum stroke power before ball too long).
My interpretation of how a pro-racket should feel is that a heavy topspin power player can hit the ball much harder, even from seemingly impossible vertical angles, thus also brushing more which lets the ball spin even faster and finally still hit the table. On the other hand any low powered ball the player tries to return with a "pro" racket where he relies on passive bouncing power of the racket only (meaning without him stroking) may find its way directly into the net. I wished there was a way to test this in real life. One thing's for sure, the professional playing style is very exhausting when compared to amateur levels. So keeping (or building) an excellent physical condition is mandatory before even thinking of buying pro equipment.
I have some favorite jabbing sidespin shots that work with high tacky chinese rubber but do not work with Xiom pro V. Xiom seems to react less to spin but still generates spin when you engage the rubber. Best to pick a rubber that suits you and keep practicing.
Great Renaissance background music!
Hey, I am from China. About a year ago, the dhs company sold these custom rubbers. Compared with rubbers on the market, their sponges are harder and therefore stronger and have a lower curvature, but they are more expensive. Since Chinese rubber is different from other products, it is more viscous, so the hitting action also needs to be changed
Hello! Wonderful and wise material about the intricacies of table tennis! Thank you very much! How can I find out principal differences of technique strokes Chinese and European rubbers? What the trajectory of the hand movements? Sorry for my bad English!
you mentioned you would do a video on the rubber degree/hardness?
Sir I am a great fan of your channel.you said that ma long use simple rubbers but in google they said that he is using hurricane 3 neo rubber on both sides.
I'm not sure if the footage used here really illustrates what's being explained. I mean, Ma Long is lifting backspin shots, like pushes, so the resulting stroke wouldn't have a high trajectory. It would be interesting to see topspin to topspin rallies for comparison.
Yes. Topspin to topspin counter attack, you can easily see that the advantage of low throw rubber. Look at here: czcams.com/video/rATiSlKXXQo/video.html
Ah, indeed... I struggle a lot when trying to counter, just to see the ball flying beyond the edge of the table... Maybe I should try a low throw rubber someday haha
Victor Yanase ´=
What rubber should I use in forehand and backhand if I am an offensive player..I want the forehand rubber good for serving with lots of spin, what rubber should I use?
hi is yasaka rakza 9 and X good or no
and ma lin extra offensive blade I am looking to make a bat with this blade and rakza X
very nice video keep going 😉👌🏼
Nice explanation!
Veeeery cool video!!
And please, what is the (chinese?) music?
Just curious coach where is your next episode why ma long and Zhang jike using different degree of rubber?
thanks for the tips
nice.......
That's true. Timo boll just won European championship 2021 using primorac carbon blade, hugely different from timo boll alc but his game remained identical.
Hi Coach please could you help me out I would like to switch to Chinese rubber but not sure which one I should get. Not that many people in my club use them some do and I tried one DHS Hurricane 8 and I liked it, I have an Off-/Off blade (Xiom vega pro) and it has some flex and a softer touch so I think it would suit a hard rubber but I am interested in which Chinese rubbers last long with their tackiness, and which are the faster ones, I liked how Hurricane 8 was linear and because of that I felt like it was controlled, but I read some reviews that said it doesn't last that long so I wanted to know which Chinese rubbers would you recommend? Thank you
what is throw angle? and is the higher the number for throw angle, the better it is or vice versa?
coach can you recommend me a table tennis setup ranging from 50-100$..i want to improve my game to a good level.please
Hello couch, thank You for the video! What would You say it is a good gateway Chinese rubber for somebody that is used to European non-tacky rubbers? Thank You! (please mention hardness and maybe thickness as well)
is hurricane 3 a good rubber for forhand ? and is stiga blade infinity vps v a good blade for a young player who has played 4-5 years and his soon 15?
do you know which rubbers used Ma Lin on the FH and BH side? and Wang Hao?
what do you mean by carry and wrap the ball more forward? Greetings from the Philippines
Thank you!! I use Chinese equipment ) I used to play with Stiga. Chinese blades and rubbers are not worse, that's for sure. Just spend some time to search for alternatives of your favourite expensive bats
Hi, I´m new in the ping pong game, I´ve bought a stiga pro carbon, i know that is not professional table and rubber ping pong paddle but i want to know what u think about stiga pro carbon, thanks
well said "there are no shortcuts in table tennis" i can approve of that it took me weeks just to learn pendulam serve and its still not tournament ready. and as for racket i use chepp $25 Butterfly timoboll 2000 racket which does the good job for me at my level
Hi EmRat,
Can you recommend a good racket and rubber for amateur which can be bought from Aliexpress prefreably from Yinhe/Galaxy/milky.
There are a lot of butterfly/stiga/DHS fakes being sold therefore I want to go in for one from Yinhe/Galaxy/milky and similar companies
lol, is that Final Fantasy 9 music?
Timo Boll once said in an interview with FAZ (a German newspaper) that he played with Ma Longs racket and that it was super fast and very high throw angle. I find it confusing because you say that Ma Longs racket has super low throw angle. Can you say something about this?
Hi EmRat
Could you make a video about shakehand forehand short pips.
I can imagine that this style could come up in the next year's, because of t he p ball
Hello, EmRatThich coach at your last minutes of video, I would like you to explain why Ma long used 40.5-41 degree rubber and Zhang jike used 39 degree rubber? I can’t find your answer video.
Well... I play with Zoran Primorac for the racket ( not Carbon), DHS Hurricane 3 Neo Provincial Blue Sponge for forehand and Butterfly Rozena for backhand.
I literally can only play with low throw angle rubber because I played for 5+ years with dead cheap rubber
Hi but who can i buy the hurricane national blue sponge safe?
what is the throw angle number of ma longs rubber? hope u could answer
How should i clean my hurricane 3 rubber?
Hello EmRatThich , please explain exactely what is the throw angle . I have a friend who wants to change his racket every time he looses ...funny as he gets very mad at his racket ...i tell him : focus on what you are doing ... Thank You coach.
can you then explain what is the throw angle of provincial rubber
3:38 PAUSE
ma long's left arm is a twig compared to his right arm
I think all players has to develop bad technique before they can develop good technique. Example: first you need to learn how to smash. Soft bouncy rubbers are good for this, but these rubbers are not good for countering topspin and generally not good for learning how to intersect the path of the ball with your racket trajectory.
Informative
spinart can carry or instead h3 personal?
Hey EmRatThich! I want to change from Tenergy/ESN to an Chinese FH rubber which is not extremly difficult to play. I'm a good amateur player with very good FH technique but sometimes Tenergy is to bouncy on hard strokes for me.
Can you recommend some Chinese FH rubbers for good amateur players. I also would probably boost them.
Using double fish rubber are good a not???
Can you comment why top.players prefer low throw and amateur players play easier with medium high?
Hi! I wonder which DHS rubber fits best for me. I am a player that can get some powerful forehand loops and some spinny serves, my backhand is good too. I love lot of spin and great control but not too fast. Thank tou!
Emil Soderberg get dhs h3 neo prov blue sponge
are you had make the next video?
i think anybody want to try a low throw tacky rubber could go Friendship/729 Battle II Provincial Blue Sponge at 40 degrees hardness. It so low that at first you kinda taken aback why your stroke don't work.
can you please give examples of low throw chinese rubbers available for regular consumers on the market?
Coach please advise. Will yinhe big dipper rubber with blue sponge be good for forehand on viscaria blade and tenergy 05 on backhand? My level is about 1700 us level
Are u timo boll level.
Sorry for raising another type of arguments here EmRatThich, I am playing table tennis in Hong Kong and like I am coached by a Chinese style coach. I was using the Hurricane 3 since I was 12 and now I am 20. I was using the normal one till 16 and changed to the "province" rubber after that. For those who are taught in the "Chinese table tennis philosophy" you've mentioned, they may like the DHS HIII rubber that for province or even the national team, may be I have enough power for it. Once I have some balls by the National Rubber, they are softer and faster and moreover, more spin. The most important reason why I got the province rubber and national rubber is that Hong Kong is near China and there are some sources for the province rubber (there are too much fake national rubber these years) and the national rubber, which is sold by the coaches and DHS.
Could you suggest me a chinese alternative racket for modern defence style?
I have my favorite pips, but need a good blade and an allround rubber like T05 1.7mm but cheaper. Thank you
MX-P, Rhyzm, Bluefire, Rakza.
I would say you need a proper rubber once you reach a certain level of play as you notice a big difference between cheaper brands and better ones (especially away from the table) ...just saying
What is throw angle
Thanks for the Video
But I have a question WHat about classic Rubbers ( no tenosr) like Marv V or Sriver. Are the good to or would you recommend a tensor rubber ?
Not really or can you give me the time when he talks about classic rubbors and tensor rubbers ?
I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I hope someone can help me
I am buying my first blade, and I was thinking for a yasaka sweden extra with DHS 3 hurricane on both sides (red/black).
Is this right for a beginer/intermediate looping aggressive player? Thank you!
Timotei Centea I recommend Hurricane 3 Neo instead
Hi EmRat,
You mentioned that chinese brands have good alternatives for european or japanese brands; Can you help me choose a cheaper alternative to Tenergy on the backhand? Also, I currently use Globe 999 blue sponge national on FH; is it a "good" chinese rubber or do other brands have similar or better rubbers for FH.
P.S. I would like to give big thanks 😊 for your table tennis videos; they are a big help for players (especially for people like me who are not well experienced).
Mars Frederick Songco You can use one of the new rubbers of Tibhar Evolution :) They are very similar to a Tenergy :) Hope that it will help you :)
I Think Mars meant a chinese alternative to more popular rubbers. Tibhar's Evo series is cheaper than Tenergy, but more expensive than most of the chinese rubbers available
there are many alternatives to ten05: MX-P, Rhyzm, bluefire, Rakza. Yes, your globe 999 is a consistent FH rubber. stick with it.
Xiom vega pro is a good alternative
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach... however does the professional Chinese player not 'boost' their rubbers??
Thanks for the video coach. Are you able to mention your 40 dollar racket that you suggest. I use acuda s2 but not sure how to translate that into a Chinese rubber. Would you happen to have a process to use for selection as I didn't even know about the throw angle. I just want an average offense defence rubber that I can gain skill with. Your suggestions are appreciated by us all.
yes. there are many variations. But for example: KTL Instinct, controlled attack blade (5ply) only 20usd. 729 FX (2.0 BLUE Sponge) $15.00 and Apollo II - Factory Tuned for only 9usd.
thanks coach I will look into these suggestions
also Coach, my rubber is about 2 years old. My old coach suggested I change my rubber yearly but this rubber feels fine for now as I'm just starting to adopt feeling over shoulder power. what are your thoughts on the frequency of changing rubbers and how to feel when they are done? This is probably another video but I have so many ideas you can run with. hehehe. Like a FH flick video since I'm trying to incorporate your feeling hit close to the table. But thanks for making videos. I like how it only takes one take or 2 to show what you want to demonstrate to us.
DHS Hurricane III or Huricane 8?
When did you suggested chinese rubber?
Forehand rubber Ma Long is Hurrican 3 National blue sponge 41 deegress. It's possible buy it, original. But It's difficult. It's better for me, Tibhar black MXP 50°
Coach, please give me opinion why my Super Idol 'Ma Long'/Zhang Jike and Fan Zhendong/Liang Jingkun lost for Men's double Qatar seamaster 2017. This is very suppppprise me hihihihihi. Give me a reason as soon as possible, Coach. Thank you very much. 😀😊
True !
Hi Coach,
I am very confused about Chinese rubber. I am searching for Chinese rubbers for my new blade.
I found many articles in which, it is written that it is necessary to use a booster(Falco or Revolution No.3 X) on the Chinese rubber.
But I also found warnings on the booster:
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Warning: No chemical treatment on rubbers is allowed by the actual regulations of ITTF.
My question:
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if a booster is illegal to apply on the Chinese rubber. Then, how Chinese rubbers(DHS) are allowed in table tennis matches?
I think MA Long is also using Chinese(DHS) rubber. Please clarify my doubt.
Regards,
Ajay
with the right technique, u can consistently hit shots with low throw angle
Since ma long uses a very low throw angle rubber, but with a very high throw angle blade (hurricane long 3) , shouldnt his shots be medium throw?
Good point. I would be eager to know coach's comments on this one.
yes. That's why both Ma Long, Wang Liqin and many others use good looping blade (OFF- blade) quick give good feeling and high throw angle. The blade will give you dwell time and spin. In general, low throw rubber goes well with high dwell time blade.
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach I think this is a good point that will help us understand how the combination works Of a rubber low throw and blade with high throw
How do you know which blade is high throw angle and which is low angle blade?
Mantas Liachauskas tabletennisdb is the website, which gives this data. You will have to spend time to compare between blades and rubber. All Chinese non tacky rubbers have low throw angle.
i bought my racket 7 month ago but and now the grip as gone, any idea how to make it grip again ? pls help
are you saying the rubber is too slippery? then you need to replace the rubber
The throw angle of chinese rubber is especially low because of the tacky top sheet that has nothing to do with the hardness of the sponge. The harder the rubber the more racket speed you need to make optimal contact with the ball and utilize the power of the rubber. So the throw angle is low because the top sheet is tacky and produces a lot of spin in combination with a blade/wood that also has a low throw angle. The Tempo that the rubber of ML long produces is really high so if your stroke is to slow you are just not to able to produce enough spin to put the ball on the table. This is confirmed by Timo Boll who uses a Tenergy which is much slower. During the last world championship when he played Double with ML he tried his rubber and said it is much faster and spinny. In the chinese Super league during Training other players tried Timo Bolls racket and they where not able to put the Ball on the other side of the table with thier technique. During the beginning of this year Ovcharov got some H3 from ZJK and startet to practice but he had no feeling and touch so he gave up on that. Donic/ESN is now working hard to produce a pro player version for Ovcharov because they don t want him to use tenergy anymore.
Why does Ma Long also use the Hurricane 3 for his backhand?
Good question. He is not using the blue sponge H3 on the backhand side. So I guess it is a rubber especially made for him ( H3 Top sheet and Tin Arc rubber). He changed from Tenergy because the plastik ball required more spin and controll which is provided by the tacky top sheet.
Alexander Blümel o
hard to choose
I bought a Chinese racket Yinhe worth 3000 ru. so I thought the quality is no different and play! but the quality let down the top veneer of the racket flew off, glued on the water.! I thought this was just an isolated case, but my friend also had a dhs racket, also about 5000ru. And the veneer also fell off. I bought Chinese rubber, it really plays differently. That is, the sponges even differed. and an indicator of your advice, for me it’s better to buy a high-quality racket, and not a Chinese one. I know for sure the rebound and that it will last a long time
Myanmar. ..subtitle have?
So my DHS hurricane is not the same as the one those pro player have 🤔
for sure. you can read on pingsunday.com
But can you buy this rubbet or can only Chinese national members get it
It's no longer true that you can't buy the same rubbers used by the national team members... In China, you can actually buy them now thru official DHS sellers, though at a higher price.
goood
Wow
why dont you talk about booster? all top players use booster to soften up the Hard rubbers.
Yes, booster and speed glue for sure! Next time!
hi, I am a big fan of your videos but can you go back to things about how to improve your shot because like what you to be good at table tennis you need to practice technique.
I'm Now Using AK47 RED MAX 😎 On my Nittaku OuterCarbon 169grs😎Its AWESOME
that's so true but sadly most of players think it's in racquet. I'll say there's nothing in racquet but in player.
Arkadi Danielyan that's absolutely correct. I meant by your first point, just changing the blade or rubber won't improve game unless we practice for improvement.
wow
i wish i'd had a rubber-colour-changer X )
I really love you coaching videos! But i am not convinced about this chinese rubber. Firstly, there are several images and videos found online that verify that chinese players use booster on their rubbers, which has the effect of making the rubber softer and more elastic, not hard and dead. Secondly, comared to euro rubbers, i have always found that chinese rubbers have quite low throw angles, which makes sense because they are not as bouncy and the tackiness slows down the ball on flatter hits. The videos you have show are more a result of Ma Long's elite serve and attack technique, you can find several players make similar shots with high throw rubbers like tenergy and other tensors.
Either way, I thank you very much for the time you put into the video. I can't speak for the other viewers, but I am not very preoccupied with what equipment the professionals use. I LOVE your videos explaining tactics, fundamentals, and your table tennis highlights like the chinese trials video. You did a very good job explaining the various types of equipment (blades and rubbers) in a previous video, I dont think you have to make more!
grateful for your video Mr. EmRat!
yes. I will focus more on tactics and techniques. But I have many questions on my facebook, so I would like to make this one to answer. and to ask player stop "focus on equipment">
Zhangjike use 42 deg rubber, Malong 41.5 deg...
bonjour dommage pas de sous titre français....
Do not compare Ma Long's skills to usual player skills. Ma Long trains 8 hours per day to hit the ball like hi does. And he has world number 1-3 rating. Hi will not loose any point even if he uses chepest rubber and you will use his special one!!!!
Hi EmRat,
I just have one question that most people are having in their mind.
If the commercial DHS rubbers are different from real DHS rubbers that zhang jike or ma long uses, then can you please suggest some rubbers that are most close to the playing characteristics of DHS hurricane 3 neo that Zhang Jike uses?
Your videos are so good and have helped me a lot. Thanks.
suggest? suggest what?
Reasure suggest some name of rubbers available in market
You can get Provincial hurricane 3 blue sponges through various online stores, then boost them.
However its not worth paying more for those rubbers as they cost about 50 USD, just get hurricane 3 neo, they play good enough and cost almost half that.
EDIT: I have both provincial and commercial neo rubbers, not worth the extra money especially when unboosted.
Reasure so which rubber do you use?
Hurricane 3 neo 2.15mm FH rakza 7 1.8 mm BH