Three Way Mitre Joint or Kane Tsugi 粽角榫 - Hand Cut
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- Three Way Mitre Joint or Kane Tsugi 粽角榫- Hand Cut
Spare a few minutes, and I'll show you how to cut this advanced corner joint.
If you are a beginner, then you would probably benefit from watching some of my more basic hand cut joint videos first, where I go into much more detail. Especially the 'stub' and 'through' mortise and tenon videos, and the tenon and mitre:
Stub Mortise & Tenon
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Through Mortise & Tenon
• Mortise and Tenon - Th...
Tenon & Mitre
• Mitre Joint with Tenon...
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Hey Mitch, I get it. Cut away anything that doesn't look like a three way miter ! Nice job!
👍you got it
These are the best joint construction vids on you tube.Brilliant
Thanks! I'll be starting to film some more very soon
Thank you for the idea. I'm building a very special bed with integrated nightstand and bookshelf. Friends call me crazy, because I'm doing everything by hand, without mashine. Presentations like yours make me happy.
Hi Gonzo, That's terrific. if you send me a photo when you're done, I'll put it in my viewer's gallery. Cheers, Mitch
Wow :-)
I need to watch this 75 more times and try it !!!
+William Lutes Thanks, and be my guest!
And that’s pretty good.
I didn't even know this joint existed. You 're a master.
Well done master Mitch!
+Igorfun Glad you liked it
That is really cool how it's joined with mortises and such.
+Heavyboxes Cheers. Makes it quite strong.
You are awarded the "Master Carpenter".
very nice way to explain it, with the grid! very easy to understand, thanks!
Thanks. no excuse to not try it now!
Thanks for making this joint. The first time I saw the joint was in “Chinese Domestic Furniture” by Gustav Ecke. It’s just one of several joints used over the last 1000 years in China. Great demonstration.
Sounds like a good book. I'll have to have a look for that
Holy Moley that is a good looking mitre joint.
Cheers Matthew!
Great demonstration of this 3 way joint, even better results from your hand work - nice and tight all around.
I'd be glad to give it a go, if I can figure out the morteses & tenon sections of the joint.
+Tom Baker Cheers! Try pausing where I show the layouts - I hope the grid helps.
Good Job Mitch! Like the fancy, dancy watch band. Colorado
+Eric Duran Cheers Eric. Nice and comfy, with no sharp edges.
Nice Mitch! You actually made that look easy. A cut here, a cut there and presto!
+GuysWoodshop Cheers Guy. Now you can do most of this with the hollow chisel mortiser and table saw, so there's something to ponder on ;-)
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD I think we'll need a video demonstrating this :-D
Well I would need to watch this a couple hundred time before remembering anything..
Awesome work man!
+akanathan Many thanks
MITCH that is AWESOME. I have to watch this video a few more times to do try this one. Thanks for the video.
Cheers James!
OKAY
Amazing job and explanations! This will be on list of things to try!!
Thanks Tomy
Great work Mitch, I’v never seen this joint before. Brilliant, Cheers Harry
+The Little Garden Shed Workshop Thanks Harry. Maybe something a little simpler next time.
Hi Mitch, this was a must see video :-) A nice sophisticated joint ... give us more of these
+apophysis2 Much appreciated, and I shall try ;-)
When you first showed the joint, I was thinking how classy it looked, but wondered how strong it would be....but then you started making the blind mortise and tenon and I about fell on the floor. Great video Mitch, as always. Cheers! Chris.
Thanks Chris. I like that expression - must do a few videos to have people falling on the floor 😂
Excellent execution of Japanese joinery! Good job man
+Max Vigna Cheers Max, appreciated
that just blew my mind!!!great work!!
+BCdesign Thanks, that's a good reaction to get
Outstanding!! You must be a descendant of a Japanese woodworker. I can't even wrap my head around the joint.
+William Branham Cheers William! If you build up to it through simpler joints, then it becomes easier :)
This is a beautiful and strong looking joint!
Well done - thanks for sharing !!
Thank you very much!
Excellent work Mitch. Your patience is impressive.
+Old Sneelock's Workshop Thanks Dave.
Wow, a true craftsman at work, I think I will need to develop my skills before I even attempt it.
Cheers Ray
Hi, I´ve been seeing several videos about this joint, to tell the truth, yours is the best. Thanks! You are very clear in the steps/method of construction. Best regards.
Many thanks
Brilliant execution.
Cheers Jason
Amazing job! Looks beautiful!
Many thanks!
It is simply brilliant!!!!! Thank you very much for sharing.
Thanks, glad you liked it
Wow, excellent work cutting those and getting them to fit together so well. Very cool!
Cheers Steve, I do enjoy a challenge in the workshop!
Thanks for this excellent presentation.
I especially appreciate the lack of inane background music.
Cheers. I can't claim to never have background music, but I know what you mean.
pardon me while I find the pieces of my mind. need to do this one. superior craftsmanship.
Cheers Ron!
Wow, beautiful, true craftsmanship.
+Simon O'Conor Thanks Simon!
WOW that was beautifully executed my friend !!! Wow
Thank you Art. I do like a 'Wow' comment
wow superb craftsmanship, I really love the way this joint looks and I bet it's immensely strong! you are very skilled.
Cheers Ben. Well it sure beats a simple three way mitre for strength.
saw some older beautiful british chairs -- made look in a similar way!
thank you, mitch, for the enlightenment.
also, remarkable steel and sharpness of your chisels!
thanks for the video,
-toly
+Toly Dukhovny Cheers Toly, glad you liked it. Sharp chisels are very useful for accurate joinery, so it's worth the effort keeping them keen.
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD thank you for the reply, and sorry to have missed a letter in your name!
Very beautiful and very Japanese. OUTSTANDING!!!
I just can not figure out why anyone would put a thumbs down on this video.
Thanks very much.
Yeah, I wish they had commented on what they didn't like!
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD They didn't like that they couldn't do it!! You said it wasn't in your Japanese joinery book does that mean you drew it out yourself? Really impressive work, obviously this joint takes way longer to make then the 6.22 of the video, what was the actual time and how many test fittings were there??
I originally saw one disassembled in a video, and then assembled again. It was from that brief video that I worked out proportions that would work, and how to cut the components.
It does take some time, although I didn't time myself and setting up for the video angles is a constant interruption anyway. Needless to say, making the eight corners for a show case would be a long task.
até parece um show de mágica. perfeito.
parabéns
Cheers Marcelo
Good thinking with the 8x8 grid to help with the visualization.
Thank you
Nicely done!
Cheers Mark
Great job!
+Scott Adams Cheers Scott
I'm still struggling with the "simple" joints. LOL Nice work Mitch.
I love it!
Cheers!
This is what we call perfection
Thanks!
Excelente!!!
Si quisiera practicar esta unión creo que antes me acabarìa los bosques!!
+Isaac Flores Garcia haha! Thanks
Chinese classic and traditional miter joints
Cheers!
"that's pretty good", you say! Like GOD Himself speaking of the entire creation! "not too bad", says HE.
Seth Warner just imagine if He spread it out over 8 days instead!!.... and if Mitch took another hour or so 🤣
Another fine video Mitch, thank you. This looks like a fun joint to try, although I may have to burn many electrons watching the video to get the layout straight - don't want to think about how much firewood I'll create working through this one.
Well Jeff, with autumn very nearly here, we could ask do with some firewood 😉. Cheers, Mitch
Nicely done, never seen this demonstrated before.
Think it might be a while before I give this one a go though.
+StigHDS Thanks. Read the info for what joints to practice in preparation.
I'd like to see you make a full cube using just these joints, that'd be cool!
Maybe I'll make something like that with a purpose in mind - as you say, that'd be cool
I think a half cube (one corner) would be even better maybe, featuring this joint and three more angled variants of it ^^
But a cube would look awesomeness indeed, you got me some idea there, thank you :)
its crazy i love it
Demetrius Baloyi Thank you!
you've made that look really easy but in reality its really difficult.. Very well made though
Thanks. You're right, it is difficult
made me subscribe, awesome :)
Cheers!
Looks like a good project for a mill
Sean Thompson Sure would be. Machine cutting this joint is definitely possible in most reasonably equipped woodworking shops. I prefer the quiet of doing it by hand though.
Sweet!
+MM Wood Studio Thanks
Nice!
Thanks
What a video!
Cheers
This is hardcore and beautiful
Sir, I salute you in making the world conscious of such a logic which many people seldom appreciate. There are man made practical logic which raw material obey and which schools tend to forget about, preferring classical education in which there is hardly any logic nor any guarantee accompanying it. Man does not live on bread alone and his mental system has to have a higher order exercise to improve it. All philosophers through the ages only gave emotional mental comforts with what they preached and in 10,000 years the comfort of home did not move ahead much.
The logic shown in this video I do consider as being equivalent to the combinations and permutations of the logic that induced the industrial revolution which made use of such practical logic with the result that home comforts were given to the family. The logic of computers and other machines we all have at home are a result of the mind of man taking a walk along complex paths which maybe used as a decoration but the mind certainly does sweat a little to understand it.
Congratulations in making people know that there are higher levels of mental states and what you show in your videos are certainly an aspect of education that is so necessary to take the clumsiness out of some people's minds in only accepting simple things around them and all their interest is to gain popularity amongst the public to live off their backs to pretending to give them just philosophies and playing with their emotions without giving them anything tangible for the comforts of their home. Well, Sir, a thing of beauty is a thing forever, all your work is so beautiful and mind churning. You certainly ask one's mind to think rather than to be proud to be an owner of something bought. Well done.
Much appreciated. I struggle to make head or tail of philosophy or social sciences, but thankfully I find engineering and math somewhat easier.
Not too bad, he says :-) It takes some saw and chisel skills to make that one so neat.
+esa062 Well, you know me - perfect would be good ☺
not to bad.... I think it's fricken awesome.
+James smith Cheers James!
prima fantastic
Thanks!
excellent ;-)
Many thanks
Perfecto...!!!
Thank you!
great!
+Ольга Смирнова Many thanks :)
killer!!
+Didier Valencia Thanks - hopefully not that dangerous!
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD haha no its amazing !
Getting one done....maybe. But doing 4 first time on a table top or something.......Im not sure how much Id bet on myself. :o)
good...!!!!
+eduardo rocha Many Thanks!
a beautiful parabens work would love to learn
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wow that looks amazing but beyond my skill level
Thanks. Just takes practice Chris - we all start at the bottom and work up.
its really good indeed, but i wonder if it is strong.
Thanks. All relative I guess. Definitely stronger than a simple three-way mitre without any mortises and tenons
even with my iq the layout on these joints scare me lol.. nicely done. we had to do similar tasks when i learn't cabinet making, it was always a task fraught with trepidation lol.
+Tayler Made Your not wrong there!
Mitch, I've been intrigued by that joint ever since I saw William Ng demonstrate one on a "wood whisperer" video here on CZcams. The trouble is, Ng doesn't really go into any detail about how the joint is laid out, and I got the impression (I guess maybe from another Ng video) he uses at least a mortising machine for much of the work, and perhaps other power tools as well. I've been looking for a good tutorial on how to lay this out and cut it just using hand tools, and your video here is the best I've seen. I'm still confused about what portions of what segment need to be saved and what needs to be cut away, although I suppose with many more viewings and lots of pauses I can get it figured out. The grid idea on the ends should help a lot. I'm anxious to give it a try!
Would you consider doing a sketchup model of this? I know my brain could certainly benefit from something I could rotate around on screen and look at at different angles.
Hi Charlie. Thanks. Yes it's hard to visualise, so you'll be pleased to know i do have a SketchUp model available on my downloads page www.womadeod.co.uk/p/blog-page_9.html I hope that helps, and good luck!
Outstanding! Thank you for the quick response, and thank you for pointing me to the SketchUp file. It's exactly what I was hoping for. That's going to make life a lot easier.
WOW!
Thanks
Excellent work! This would be my video guide for studying such method!
But I have one question - if I cut rails just with a saw without tenons would the connection be strong?
Thanks! If you mean cut as I have except leaving out the three skinny tenons, then it would be fairly weak. You could cut it that way, and then add dowels where I have the tenons - that would make it stronger than without.
So I guess there's no easy way. Thank a lot.
I think it's going to take some practice to make this one! Will this joint be strong enough to use as a chair leg?
Thanks again Mitch.
Good idea! For a chair leg? Well, if prepared well and to a reasonable size, then probably it could. If stretchers present as well, then it should be fine
Great video, love the how-to, thank you very much! Quick question though : I thought the whole point of this type of joinery is so you don't have to use glue; from what I understand the Japanese don't use it. Is there a reason why you're doing so?
Cheers Anthony,
I think to a large extent you're right. The orientation in a structure would mean that gravity kept them together.
I didn't actually glue this joint up, but I did suggest doing so. Glue will add more strength and resist any attempt to pull it apart, whether that be by human hand, or due to changes in moisture content.
@@mitchwoodwork Yes but no glue means you can fix parts of the furniture in the future. If it's glued up you need to start over.
@@kongengorm3360 just use a reversible glue, like hide glue, and no problem
@@mitchwoodwork Thanks for the tip, that sounds like the best of both worlds.
awsome mitch! now thats some that id like to see done with power tools. is it even possible?
I've passed some tips to Guy, so I hope he has the time at some point to try it out!
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD i hope so..thatd be cool to see too..
Very Well done. Where would you use this joint, and what are the strengths.
Hi Peter, This would be used for the corners of a glass display case for example, or for corners in an open display stand, etc.
Nice. I'll pass on this one. Thats difficult.
Cheers Willem
wow!!!!
Thanks!
FYI: You can search for "粽角榫" for details/pictures/3d-models about this type of joint/mortise
Thanks, great idea!
how long it takes for that kind of joint? very neat work, thanks for sharing!
+Florin Cochintu hi Florin. I don't make these often enough to gauge how long they take. If I can find the original video I'll see how long that took and post details.
I'd like to try this for a bed post 3 1/2 block of cedar. can you tell me how to determine the joint measurements. (how far in to cut waste etc.)
Hi Cheryl. I suggest you square the pieces and divide the width/depth by eight. Then draw an eight by eight grid on the end like I do on the video. All the measurements will fall into place from there. With the size you're talking about, you shouldn't run into any problems finding chisels to fit within the mortises. It's a tricky joint, so make a test piece first. Good luck.
i will master this part of joinery, thanks for sharing Mitch, do you have any template guide to follow,. or just a print plan, i like to install this as a mini storage for my pick up,.
Hi Cesar,
I have a SketchUp model that may help you: handcutjoints.blogspot.co.uk/p/three-way-mitre.html
and an Instructable will be published soon: www.instructables.com/member/WOmadeOD/
I love this three way miter, as a part of joinery without using nail & glue, but lock it with a 11/16 dowel with a metal ring as a handle to unlock it. So beautiful,.
🤯
That's some job,do you have a technical drawing of this joint or sketchup
+jerry o connor Hi Jerry, I don't recall doing other than a rough sketch, although it was some time ago. It is fairly simple if you divide the ends up into a grid, and take it slowly. I'll check my SketchUp folder, and if I have anything I'll post it on my website. Cheers, Mitch
Would they use this joint in timber framing? It would be impressive
Scott
It's not in my book on Japanese building construction joints, but I suspect someone will have tried it Scott!
Nice! Why do you use 2-through mortises instead of all stop mortises? (I'm not being critical, I just want to understand!) Thanks!
+Tim Krause Hi Tim. There are two reasons why through mortises are commonly used. Firstly, the longer tenons increase glue surface and strength. Secondly, the craftsman likes to show that a proper joint has been made, rather than just an end-grain glued plain mitre. The main show surface wouldn't display the through tenon, but glancing round the side reveals the craftsmanship.
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD Thanks a bunch! It is a really cool joint.
Hello Mitch...great stuff...! Very japanese... as William say... I made a sketchup model of the joint... I will send it to you... to see... if your measures are... in the model.Cheers...Jakob
Great model Jakob, thanks
Would you say that this is some kind of high woodworking level joint?...
I guess it is, although not so tough if you use power tools. I wouldn't say any of the elements are particularly hard, but they all need to be completed quite well for the whole joint to fit
Wow Mitch, very impressive.
When are you going to do something complicated? Bwhahahaha!
Cheers, I'm working on it!!
It appears the joint can be done using only blind mortise joints. I am correct? It would make for a cleaner finished joint, i think.
Hi Albert. Yes you can - there is a consequential loss in strength, so you need to take that into consideration. Are you going to have a go?
+Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD Yes, I am going to try making my own sample. It is an interesting joint.
+Albert Gookin Excellent! That makes my effort worth while.
yeah, thats not too bad....
+Ryan W That's very generous, I thought it was rather rough
do you use water stones on your chisels or what?
Water stones and diamond plates, however the mood takes me. Finish with a leather strop. I get the same results as far as I can tell
And , how does one clamp such a "head-scratcher"?
Ordinarily you would complete sections that could be clamped between their ends, or you can glue on clamping blocks that later get sawn and planed off.
Consider you a strong joint this one?
When glued, yes.
Damn.
Damn.
Haha!
Yeah, “that’s not too bad.” I’ll get right on it.
Are you using green wood?
Ernest Mungai No, not green, but quite resinous.
Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD thank you.