International 3850 End Loader Sitting 13 Years - Can We Save It?
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- čas přidán 29. 09. 2019
- No! No we can't! At least not in this video. But you might enjoy following along anyway! This loader has been sitting for 13ish years. I know it ran once, but it's going to be an major job to get her running again.
Follow up video: • Can You Free a Seized ...
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If anyone knows of a decent International D282 engine please let me know. We're not completely ready to give up on this machine.
Even if you cannot find that specific engine, it would be extremely easy to swap in something with similar specs, so long as it's mechanically driven. A more modern engine with similar specs would last you far longer and would have much better fuel economy. Don't limit yourself to on-road engines either. There are many Marine and Industrial engines that would go perfectly with that Loader. The only thing you need to look out for is making sure your torque numbers aren't exceeding the original if you plan to retain its original transmission and final-drive.
D282 on New York Craigslist
Wes Johnson Services it would be that hard to get unstuck. Hell as long as it’s has some compression it’ll run again
Get zip ties and bies plys to fire it up for you.. He can get any heap running.. Minnnt.. 👌
I have a rebuilt IH black diamond engine just sitting in my shop. I’m always up for a little bartering. West of Rockford.
That opening statement, "Gentlemen welcome back", for one second I thought this was an AvE video but there was no "to the shop" or "a treat especial" 🤣🤣🤣
Put ahead gasket drivehome
I think even Mustie1 would admit this engine is toast.But he'd still rebuild the carburetor!
Lyndel Beckwith lmao every single time 😂😂😂😂
And check for spark lol
All it would take is a cotton bud and a battery drill and Presto! Running! (Mad grin!)
if you haven't watched mustie1 you haven't lived yet
Yea that's all the perv can do is carbs .
Thanks for what you do, Wes. Your channel is definitely one of my favorite places on the whole entire internets.
It’s a shame to leave those machines out where the weather slowly kills them ! It will take quite an effort to scrap them ! Thanks for trying to save them Wes ! Like your videos a lot !
Being an old Electrician, I ALWAYS have the knife, usually 2, and an EASY 100# of junk, plus good stuff in the back of my truck. We would get along just fine. (Great video too ! Thanks).
The SOS system and now the SIP system, stuff in a pile, I've never heard anything like it, you make me laugh.
14:40 I feel for the old girl. I've had the toilet bowl look the same way after taco night many times.
I thought the same thing when I watched it drain "I've had some mornings like that" Lol.
You need to see a doctor.
It would be nice to see that loader running again....Another machine saved from the grave , good luck and keep up the great work .
Did you watched The vid cause nothing was saved
Yes, but I don't know that it's worthwhile.
"See if the air condition works, that's where I would start", lol! I love bottomless optimism!
Wow I do believe that's the most coolent I've ever seen come out of the oil pan
About 4 gallons.
Yuuuup, I legit stopped what I was doing and was just watching it all come out in awe... 😂
@@WatchWesWork It was like watching an elephant take a leak. Don't ask how I know.
@@mdouglaswray how do you know?
It keeps the oil from freezing
The "SIP" system - ya just shake it until what ya want falls out. Brilliant! Been there, done that.
Wes, I don’t know how you react to others offering suggestions on different processes we as mechanics or technicians have seen, tried, and heard off over our careers, but as one who is now retired as I became disabled with M Dystrophy and now an armchair tech, I’d like to offer up something I’ve used. With that old seized C301, I’d like to have seen you try pouring boiled diesel fuel down the plug holes and then leaving it for a few days and then trying to turn it with a power bar/socket. I used this method one time on a sunk fishing boat motor that was sunk in the salt water for about a year, I got it fired up for an insurance company. This boat was sunk when hitting ice while fishing around Newfoundland, Canada years ago when I first started my career.
Love watching your videos, am subscribed, and like watching your videos because you are patient and dive directly into your work without the foolish antics most blogs have. Your show gives me comfort as I loved my work and was very dedicated and usually worked alone without distractions and your videos make me feel like I’m there again.
Hey, I'm only in to the 4-minute point, but I can already tell your a swell mechanic. You've got all the correct sound effects and I'll bet you could raise the Titanic and get her running in a jiffy! My dad used to say "never trust a man that can't make good sound effects".
Dang, I like this channel!
Literally did nothing to try to save that loader smh..
I like watching bring the old equipment from around my time back to life.
Only if they could see how the world has changed. They would won't to be shut off for good key thrown away lol because of the EPAs bullshit
The way I see it, even if you buy a new crate motor to put in it, it will still be cheaper than buying a running one.
I don’t know anything about fixing a loader I just enjoy watching these videos and it’s really great to see all these different strangers coming together to pitch in and help out👍
Watching the horrors flow from that pan make me nauseous lol
Yeah, I'm no mechanic but I would call that very bad
We picked up an IH 2404 industrial tractor. It was a warm day and the engine turned but when it turned cold it was stuck. We dragged it into the garage and the entire oil pan was a solid block of ice. All I could figure was that it was condensation the exhaust was down and the air intake was covered.
if you have the time you could remove the spark plugs and fill the cylinders with diesel. fill the crankcase right up with diesel and leave it for the winter. small chance it might unseize but i would imagine the bearings will score as soon as it turns over. but if its already junk there's nothing to lose.
Why use diesel instead of something like penetrating oil?
Great video, man. I love watching these videos with my kids. Keep up the good work!
Coolant has corrosion inhibitors in it usually and there was no sign of rust in what came out of the sump. See if you can get it unstuck, I don’t reckon it’s as bad as you think 👍👍
Thought of that too
I was thinking the same thing. Fill the engine block with diesel and let it sit for a bit. Sometimes works.
I had a mustang that sat for 2 weeks with coolant in the cyliders after it blew its head gaskets. They were completely rusted
Great restoration project. Love the old school loders.
Wes just ignore all the rude comments. Rude people just are now worth listening to!
They are now, not before tho
International machine in the forest haven't run 13 years long time hope you get out there get moving good condition praying running awesome video keep up the good work friend bless you
Thanks Wes, love the old machinery rescue... Would appreciate the forklift resuscitation, it would give me hope with my "55 Yale. Cheers and thanks from Canada...!
I think we can save the forklift.
When my dog was sick the other day he had stuff coming out that looked like your oil drain. Good luck if you keep at it.
Hi Wess. Well here's another you most likely already know. I work on mostly really old rusted stuff. I always have metric sockets and wrenches as well as sae. I've had really good results driving metric impact sockets on old rusted sae bolts that are rounded off. Most of the time I've got to drive the bolt out of the sockets with a punch and hammer so yeah it works pretty well. Have a great day.
Sorry to see that the old girl is not a problem that is easily solved. Remarkable what problems cannot be solved by throwing large sums of money at them 😁 I'm sorry for what happened and what you went through.
Take care of yourself those you care about,
Pete
We have the same fork lift at work. And funny enough we dragged it from out of a creek from behind the recycling building. They drove it back there when the spark plugs went bad in the 80’s and left it there so they could get a new one. We found it, fixed it and use it here in transportation daily.
Also hello from Missouri
Good deal! Amazing what people will throw out.
the frontend loader might just have a blown gasgit , with the green fluid in everything, it might have protected the engine from freezing over the years.
I don't know how you find all these old broken down equipment but I would love to be this fortunate , however keep up the good work I enjoy it 👍👍
It's his grandfather's
Keep it up!!! My buddies and I are always interested in what you’re doing.
enjoy your videos Wes I like to see old equipment brought back to life most of it is better than what we have now.
You sir have a new fan from Scotland. Love all of you’re videos. Keep them up! 😀😀
Love the mustie1 mention! 👍👌
Hi Wes, great channel. Love your workmanship and knowledge.
Fair play for wanting to fix this. Hope you get it running ok.
Great ls swap candidate you could be popping wheelies
Did this on the loader at work only we used a flexible transmission funnel and got it all in the drain pan
I LOVE Old Internationals! I hope you can do something with this old Girl. My employer (my first 40 hr a week job, 1980) had one of these with forks on the front. He used it to move the big steel plates we would cut up with a "torch train". He would only run it when we were cutting these parts, every few weeks or so. Thing ran great.
Ive been watching a lot of your older videos...im glad you stuck it out, i think you had less than 10k subscribers when you made this one, and now you have way more! I hope to see the day you have 1 million :)
I know im on board!
I just love the optimistic wannabe mechanics out there who think they know everything, no one else knows anything and a tune up will fix everything. It's a good way to get work in the door though as evidenced here, the tune up led to an engine replacement.
One of my favorite stories is an attractive young lady bought a hot rodded Camaro which had a knock. The local garage knew enough to not touch it with a ten foot pole and sent her to me. I was younger and single then.
Took a look at the situation and said I dunno for sure but it's not the timing chain letting the valves hit the pistons or the cam or lifters. Only way to fix it is to jerk out the engine, which I tried to discourage because it was a miserable job and the car was borderline. She says go ahead so I do and the crank is totally trashed, the noise was the piston slamming into the head. Give them a realistic estimate and don't hear anything for some time. Put everything into storage. Some time later she shows up with her dad who was a monster of a man and he has "his mechanic" with him. They take a look at the situation and they decide they can fix it, all the crank needs is polishing. I charged them $200 in 1990 which was pretty reasonable and they complained about that.
Never saw the car around again but ran into the "mechanic" a few years later and asked him what happened.
They took the crank to the other machine shop in town and they confirmed it was FUBAR. Fubar to the point unless you were legally blind you couldn't see it was blue and rougher than a gravel road, as were the rods.
There is no point in getting mad about such things, these incompetents will always be there. They may not be very good mechanics, but they are very good salesmen/politicians.
My only regret is because things were sour, the young lady and I never got together.
"Water and oil don't mix"
*International loader*
"Hold my head gasket"
"Fetched up tight" thats a new one! I like it! Thank you!
Enjoyed watching the sludge poor out. Interesting and entertaining videos.
Given the history of this machine being in your family I would give it another try.
Well it's not any kind of heirloom. But we will keep our options open.
That was the scariest oil pan draining I’ve ever seen!
Love your shows! Keep them coming!👍
I like the way you describe what your doing and will follow your videos on youtube.
Pull the pan, so you can see the damage.
That stuff that drained out resembles my last Taco Bell visit.
I like what ur doing. I’m amazed you can save equipment like this I’m amazed ppl just let stuff go & give it away for free too
I like you humorous Philosophy. Thanks for the videos.
I believe you will find that forklift had a Mitsubishi 4 cylinder motor. Was also used in various Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Kia & Chrysler cars in the 80s & 90s.
thought it looked like a magna motor mmmm
Looks Mitsubishi to me
Don’t give up on her just yet! I bet that when you rip that motor apart you’ll get surpriced over that it’s just a small fix to make it run!
Love your work. Interesting to me here in Australia. Keep up the good stuff mate.
Holy crap the tires look gorgeous
You give up to early would be great to watch you try to get it going don't give up !!🍺🍺🍺🍺
Wish it was around here I'd like to try my hand at it.
Great vids. Like to bring things back from the dead. Keeping on truckin!
That loader isn't as bad as you think.you can get someone to help you get it running.so don't give up on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was definately antifreeze which won't freeze. Your pistons are hydro locked. Pull the plugs and try turning that engine over. You may be able to salvage it.
I don't think it hydro locked. We had the plugs out of it once and poured in some diesel. Either the main bearing are rusted solid or the pistons are seized. Also, even though it looks green, we get -35F temperatures in the winter here. It could easily have frozen if the concentration was wrong.
@@WatchWesWork I'd still hook up the breaker bar or batteries and give it a crank now. With that much fluid in the case, you'd never roll it over. That green was definitely 50/50 or stronger. I'd be willing to bet it rotates now, especially since you left lube soaking in the cylinders.
@@zmonchamp well he's moved away so mute point...
Good weather and positive attitude would be a good start. Vice grip garage would not be my choice of mentors. I'm quite sure that old loader deserves a little effort. A chain saw and a fire to run the bugs off with the smoke. I would walk a dozer in and drag it out screaming to repair it
I'd like to see more of this, already a subscriber of you and Mustie1 ;)
Enjoyed very much. I am glad I waited until after dinner to watch this one.
Everyone loves a good milkshake.
I remember using a brand new 3850 and my first impressions were incredible power but difficult to use. The geometry in the boom/bucket was very strange.
If petrol. Motor on loader. All will be different. Im 59 years old. I have only seen two rear steer loaders. But never petrol. God bless
My Initial Thought thought Was Save The Loader. Screw The Loader . Save The Forklift. I Had One That Style. I Have The Books On It Also.
What fun your videos are! Cheers lad!
Mustie1 mention! Excellent! I'll bet he'd like to take a shot at this one!
Hey Wes, I'm with you. I believe a gentleman should have boots on his feet, a leather belt, some cash and a knife in his pocket before he leaves the house. I think the forklift first, but don't write off that loader yet. If you could make it run for $2500 or so, that would be a deal. Since it rear steers, it could also be the big boy fork lift.
I bet it can lift a lot. But I'm not sure it's worth putting $2500 into.
@@WatchWesWork But still i think it would be a good project with a cheap as can get challenge along with it :D
Don't forget to add check your flies to that list.
@@WatchWesWork It's a Clark, bud. It won't lift nearly as much as you think it will, especially considering that it's one of their "compact" models. A big forklift weighs 20 000 lbs or more. 10 000 is about what any modern compact forklift will weigh in at. That Clark probably weighs in at less than 8000. Also, the fact that those small Clarks are so narrow makes them extremely dangerous, even if they're only ever used on a level concrete pad. Stick with the Wheel-Loader. That lift will just give you more problems than its worth and it might even take someone's life. Far as I'm concerned, the only thing an old Clark Compact is good for is scrap metal. My local scrap yard is absolutely full of small Clark lifts like that one waiting to be torched apart. It bears mentioning that the only fatal forklift accident I ever witnessed was due to one of those narrow Clarks tipping over at full-mast. Clarks are about the sketchiest lifts you can get. Even Hitachi makes better forklifts than Clarke ever did, and they're on the low-end.
12:18 when you have a weak stomach and eat some taco bell.
Thanks for helping Unstoppable Morgan! A great favor to another person! Well done Wes, I've watched your channel 👏 and now I subscribed 👍
"southern socket set" is nice, I call it an "adjustable hammer"
I like odd ball machines.
You need a snow plow rig right.
12:26 The morning after Natural Light Beer.
Cheers to the spotted cow! One of my favorites.
You can't save them all. Thanks for showing the process even if it did not turn out. Other CZcamsrs would have just not posted the video so you think they win every time. You have the guts to show the good and bad .. keep it up! SUBSCRIBED!
Try to get it started don’t just give up
Ok I've felt with stuff like this before, it's save able but it'll take a while
You have a very similar quick wit like AvE, glad I found your channel, I love lost cause machinery vids.
Enjoyed the action right up to pulling the pan drain plug. It was worth the effort!
To me that loader would be worth fixing. To buy something capable of doing the work that thing could you would be into major dollars.
OH GOD, iv never seen oil like that before, and i work as a John Deere tech , om lol
Very important to have the thing and the other thing in your bucket!
I think you are right, this engine is toast.
A Cummins 4cyl would be an appropriate swap.
You may have height issues with the BT series engines.
There's no reason to give up on an older vehicle. For one thing vintage vehicles were ment to be repaired forever. That tractor would accept prety much any power plant you took the intuitive to build in there. The real question is are you going to be defeated that easily?
that milkshake oil lol.. reminds me of my yz250 when coolant got in the oil.. all leaking out of the overflow tubes. i was able to ride it home though!
Sounds like me and my buds with the truck. I keep ramps, large mat in the bed. 2 different tool boxes in the back seat, a pancake compressor, fishing gear, breaker bars, pry bars also inside the cab. Not to forget 3 different flashlights in the cab.
Also keep 5 pairs of scissor, and 2 knifes in the truck. Never know when you'll need a pair of scissors until you need to hack a electrical line.
I do believe that cow beer you can only get in Wisconsin !
Yes Sir. Good stuff.
Great steak too!
The Grey chunky stuff looks like me after taco bell
Good man helping unstoppable Morgan out! Your stuffs been in my “suggested” for years and I’ll watch em from to time. I suppose me subscribing is the least I can do!
The loader is so cool, but also so impractical. The forklift looks like a wise choice. Great content....cheers
It's just so far gone...
Put marvel mystery oil in each cylinder and let it sit and try to turn it over
Fill the case and cylinders with a 50/50 mix of PB Blaster and Marvel. Leave it set for a couple weeks. Bet it would break it free.
@@terryk5412 I reckon it depends on the work. I have found when heating and using penetrating juice, pb draws in better and doesnt flash off like wd.
Something rattled loose in my brain with this. If I remember right the internaional had the same bell as a inline 6 chevy or 350 v8. I cant remeber if it was a bell adapter plate or bolted straight to block. I remember this from almost 20 years ago. If its not a bitch to do..I would pull the engine quick and check the bell. Im almost sure you can drop a inline 6 chevy in it or 350 v8..all same bell ...depending on what you got handy. I just cant remember if it was a adapter plate or straight to bell of engine. With your machining skills..Im sure you can build a adapter plate. My info comes from we had a trojan or hercules loader in yard. We put a 350 in it we had laying around and that had a international inline 6. But it was 20 years ago and I dont remeber the whole deal on it.
Most engines from this era had SAE standardized bell housing patterns. So, I'm sure it could be done. Especially with the Allison trans. There's a lot of room in the engine bay too. But I think there is something special with the front cover. A hydraulic pump or something is driven off the timing gear.
@@WatchWesWork I think we converted ours to a belt driven pump from a dump truck...
@@WatchWesWork if you look in the boneyard some dumps had a hydrualic pump mounted in front of rad...which basically a pto shaft to hook to front crankshaft. We changed it to belt drive with a double pulley...worked fine
I was waiting for your line "There's your problem lady"
At least you tried!
My dad has this same loader as you and your loader is called a Hough
And a Hough is or was part of IH which was shown on the ID tag. :-)
Was it simply hydro-locked because of all the extra fluids
No.
New sub from unstoppable Morgan thanks for fixing her brakes shes a mess but safer now thanks to you