Naomi Klein and Yanis Varoufakis | THE WRONG LESSON FROM HISTORY | Podcast 2
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- This podcast is released alongside the acclaimed new docuseries 'In The Eye Of The Storm - The Political Odyssey Of Yanis Varoufakis'. Watch it here: www.eyeofthestorm.info
Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and New York Times bestselling author. Her most recent book is Doppelgänger. Learn more here: naomiklein.org/about-naomi/
Yanis Varoufakis is an economist, politician, author and the former finance minister of Greece. To find out more, go to: www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/
Raoul Martinez is a philosopher, author and filmmaker. To find out more, go to: www.creatingfreedom.info
'Eye Of The Storm Podcast' will release new episodes each week with renowned guests from the world of politics and the arts. Our first episode, however, kicks off with an in-depth interview with Yanis Varoufakis. Please like and subscribe.
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I'm from Greece. Unfortunately mr. Varoufakis is a kind of figure that is so much needed here in my country but people are so brainwashed towards hatred and self centerism that is truly a shame. I don't agree with all of Yianis positions but i see a man with ethos unlike the vast majority of greek elected politicians. Keep fighting Yianis,whatever the result
οι Έλληνες θα χρειαζόντουσαν 3 ζωές για να εκτιμήσουν τον Βαρουφάκη. Δυστυχώς η φωνή του έπαψε να ακούγεται στο ελληνικό κοινοβούλιο.
Likewise here in Italy. Apart from Francesca Albanese, the only uncompromising, vocally pro-Palestine figure we have at the moment is Alessandro Di Battista: czcams.com/video/7Mi3-S5SjJ8/video.html
Good voices everywhere in the West are labeled as bad. Unfortunately. And the masses just can’t connect dots.
It is has been a characteristic of greeks , historically, to underestimate whoever is worth admiration. There are many examples of politicians, artists, writers even Revolution heroes...
I agree. I understand his leftism turns most people off. But myself who would normally vote to the right would rather have varoufakis in power then sell out mitsotakis who seems to just take orders.
In Germany "you can only mention genocide if you're for it, not opposed to it." This made me want to cry.
thats just silly nonsense, germany has to chose between genocide of jews or genocide of gazans so germany chooses what is closer to its own historic sin
ISRAEL DICTANARY:
Never ask a man about his salary, a woman about her age or Israel about its evidence NOR THE TRUTH
Whatever Israel says always think the OPPOSITE and you will be 100% CORRECT
hamas Means ALL PALASTINIANS
all autracity supposedly hamas did, actulally did them the IDF
We are investigating the incidence, means f off u cant do anything about it
@@divineantiwokegangster plus Gaza is run by terrorists for terrorists, so there is that too
@@divineantiwokegangstertoo bad the German government persecutes jews who oppose the fascist State of Israhell and the evil Zionist movement.
not just Germany
Long live independent journalism! Long live critical thinking! Massive thx to all involved 🙌
Independent? Not so much. She is Dem-adjacent and stays that way.
"The Germans learned a rule not a principle..." Naomi Klein
How said that it? Is it a quotatio of whom?
Finaly yet again most clear Naomi. I appreciate your statement regarding rule vs. principle! A clear and essential statement. History teaches us nothing?
Angela Merkel: Staatsräson. That is a core political rule she spoke out. All the time. A Scandal by all means.
As a German: this is very clear with regards to genocide and Gaza. But her phrase also made me think about how much this applies to German culture in general! Rules rule.
Whence shall come Robespierre 2.0?
to cvLL the ev1L
Mr. VAROUFAKIS: admiration and respect !
People like you, Sir and Ms. Naomi Klein , and some others all over the world (Roger Waters, Jeremy Corbyn, Abby Martin, Miko Peled, M.Pappe, Gideon Levy, N. Finkelstein, JL Melenchon, S.Sarrendon, people in Ireland, South Africa, Spain, etc ...etc ) are needed to run this world.
Many elections are taking place in many countries....it's up to us to reverse the"illusion of democracy" and make it "genuine democracy" by voting for the good candidates!
Palestine will be free! Assange will be free ! A better world!🕊
Thank you for your commitment.
Love your comment…I still regret that Yannis Chose Macron over Jean Luc Mélenchon in 2017 elections in France….Great mistake of his.
Unfortunately, aipac has insidiously taken over the us government while distracting people with the right vs left parties. They control both parties. Practically every official is under their influence. They select the two puppets that people can choose from in every election. It’s horrifying.
Naomi, voting for Biden was voting for the lesser evil. It's still evil. Are you still supporting the "lesser evil", Biden, Hilary (also Obama) ? The Republicans aren't any better.
WWIII it's just around the corner.
Be careful, it looks like you are a neoliberal in the closet.
19:37 Mind blown. It never occurred to me that the Germans learned an algorithm rather than a principle! I just though they knew better but could not see their hypocrisy. Perhaps Israel’s lesson was “we were victims. We deserve acts of contrition forevermore.” Neither learned that “othering” is the generator function. That is shocking to me. You’re right. It’s a teaching problem. It’s a learning problem. It’s a consciousness problem. To me, this is at the heart of the metacrisis. In the 70s when we learned not to litter, we learned a rule. We didn’t learn that our actions have consequences over time.
I am so grateful to these people, who make me feel less alone and perplexed about what is going on. I wish I knew more people in my own life who understood…or cared about… issues raised here. I wish you a much broader audience.
We need people like Yanis and and Naomi live in primetime for 3 hours every night on commandeered Fox.
We shouldn't listen to any single source for 3 hours a night, however good. It could make us lazy and less curious. They themselves appreciate other peoples intellectual input.
However, really interesting discussions, like this one of 57 minutes, provide me with food for hours of thought.
Even MSNBC, CNN need to hear this
Not Varoufakis.
Indeed.
I had them in the USSR. And in North Korea you can have them 24 hours a day.
As Tony Benn said:
"There are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all frighten people and secondly, demoralize them”
Leaders and rulers through out history create enemies to frighten people in order to offer protection and then control them
My heart aches thinking about a high tech war will erased innocent lives from this planet. Here we go again, back to stone age. So great for high tech!!
That’s the well known Mafia method. Can’t see why anybody couldn’t see and acknowledge it
War is not peace, ignorance is not strength, slavery is not freedom. Apartheid is not democracy. A course correction is in order.
How I would love for Orwell to be alive nowadays to see what's happened to the world, the western world in particular.
The dark ages are back.
As a German, I can say, that what Heinrich Heine said about the german ingrained obedience is seen every day. Obey the rules cause they are the rules.
Thanks for the talk! Great ! Great people
Ich weiß nicht was ist bei Deutschland passiert? Ich kenne viele Leute da und sie sind gegen von ihrer Regierung.
Wie geht das Zitat?
@@zeynepoezel9664You do not run in the railway station!
H. Heine ...a baptized-jewish German, with the mind and eyes of a Greek.
@@zeynepoezel9664 Der Deutsche gleicht dem Sklaven, der seinem Herrn gehorcht ohne Fessel, ohne Peitsche, durch das bloße Wort, ja durch einen Blick. Die Knechtschaft ist in ihm selbst, in seiner Seele; schlimmer als die materielle Sklaverei ist die spiritualisierte. Man muß die Deutschen von innen befreien, von außen hilft nichts.
It’s infinitely odd is that the internet has such videos describing the state of the world, yet when I look at my local communities, there’s no acknowledgment of this at all. It's all CONSUME, CONSUME, CONSUME!!! It's as though we're living in a version of the The Truman Show.
Arrogance of the german state
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Yes. And so we are in a constant state of cognitive dissonance. To a painful degree. The west pretends that Israel, its child, is not a genocidal maniac state
Indeed we are, we are living with an increasing amount of cognitive dissonance
Yes. It's become very 'Matrix' like.
Exactly how it seems to me here in Texas and with most of my friends around the world..they r not interested..too busy buying traveling redecorating etc!! Angry that war is blocking their consumption fun!
How come no one acknowledge the work of Norman G Finklestien and Noam Chomsky too? They along with Ilan Pappe have helped me greatly to understand the situation.
Arrogance of the german state
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Agreed!
As well as Rashid Khalidi. Though you have meant Jewish and Israelis who speak up, which is indeed terribly important.
You're right!
I am sorry - Chomsky is a man of the establishment. You have been duped.
This is like therapy. Thank you from Germany.
Back in the early 2000s I was a young Italian living in London and Naomi Klein had such an impact shaping my political views, I cannot even begin to say how much! Just a few years later, I got involved in pro-Palestine activism. Now I find her such an inspiration on that issue as well... 😍
It provides a ray of hope, and it warms my heart to hear sensible conversations like this. The Mad Men that now control this world lack the wisdom, intelligence and compassion of this trio, to the detriment of the entire human species.
She lies right off the bat. You just like the lie
The mad men that control the world today feel like former kingsRaised in families that were rich and mighty for generations they never ever questioned their superiority and the right to lie or murder whenever it is necessary for their preservation of power.
Equality of humans ? Yes Yes but only the usual ones not and never them
21:00 Perhaps the most astonishing aspects of what is going on in Palestine is the fact that with the holocaust we could have had the 'excuse' at the time that 'we didn't know' whareas now it is happening in plain sight and as such it is way more frightening. Some other types of genocidal situations are happening at the same time which we even ignore such as the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaidjan.
Mr. #YanisVaroufakis you are doing a GREAT WORK - KEEP IT UP SIR ! ! !
This is so weird for me as a native Berliner, that you got thrown out, Yannis. This used to be a place where everybody could freely express themselves. I had a jewish grandmother, Esther Goldhammel, holocaust survivor. Until the end of her days she would hold her hand over her head, trying to pull out the evil spirits, because her mind couldn't cope. And STILL she said I shall never fall into the anti-muslim propaganda and see every human being for what they are individually. She said I shall travel the world and never ever trust someone who is justifying murder. Also she was criticizing the zionist movement - for that she was harassed so badly she had to change her name into Jahn.
So tragically sad that even someone who survived such horror ... is not listened to more. I am always is awe of people such as your grandmother. Such courage to criticize the Zionist movement. And such perception to condemn the action, not the race or religion of the leaders of the current murders.
When the Anglos comprehend that they are not the exceptional ones and the Jews realize or admit they are not the chosen ones the bullshit will stop. Like you say this is not new. The British and Americans have managed to blame everyone but themselves for their own sins. Stealing other people's land and resources, carpet bombing German civilians, nuking and fire-bombing Japanese civilians, blaming the Boer for apartheid, covering up the Holomodor, starving the Indians, hunting Aborigines, invading Iraq, murdering leaders that are not compliant - their crimes are many but seem to be acceptable when framed in the quest to bring liberty, freedom and democracy to the unwashed masses (who get to vote for their tormentor as a reward). Part of the problem (as Yanis should know) is the Anglo inability to speak another language and by extension understanding different cultures.
Great comment. ;-)
A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS
FROM RUSSIA,
Quotation:
"Ideologically, fascism is an omnivore."
Valerie Pyakin
The "Trojan horse" ... "Trojan horse effect",
globally Scaling ...
"Simulation System".,
Installation allover.
Maybe, cultural colored.
But it's happened backwards.
And it's happening now. Forward, yet.
I think you understand my hint.
Hidden Secrets.,
In a Sense of a Shadow over Humanity is ...
"Silent running".
Blow it away.
"Genozid"!?
Globally ~ occur in between the Year's.
2020 ~ 2023 ...
Going forward ...
Are people that unconsciousness!?
Yes.
"Enter Tain Ment."
Queen best song:
"The show must go on",
starting with the sentence:
"Empty Spaces" ...
(Original Video to watch the Szene, a door is opening and you can watch the audience ...
People are the picture, an Archetype of these
"Empty Spaces", meaning no consciousness to find ...
Historical Quote,
Shakespeare said:
"This >>WORLD
Wholeheartedly agree. And the fact that Britain/ US have gotten away with it for so long. You don't have to navel gaze so much when you are on top.
Oh very dear Naomi, so glad to hear you here. it kind of soothes my heart
Love these two, intellectuals who are intellectually honest seem harder and harder to find these decades.
Bravo, all! Paul. Naomi. Yanis. You are true champions riding forth at this crucial moment. Brandishing the sword of common sense. No mean feat! Your vision, eloquence and brilliance is desperately needed, required to light our way. We are your grateful infantry. We are with you 100% 💯🙏🍀
Champagne socialists.
I think Yanis is smitten with Naomi, really enjoyed his goodbye gush. Left me smiling.
I think they both are. Rarely do I see Naomi with hair behind her ear, and she's not as on point as usual 😅
They both are in a relationship
Two hotties ❤ I noticed this too.
Heehee. I’m smitten with all of them😊. Nothing more beautiful than brains, integrity, compassion and talent❤.
Aren't we all
Thank you sir of your honestly and humanity ❤
As an old hippie from California I so appreciate your brilliance. When I abandoned the Dems for Trump every friend and relative abandoned me. I thought it was a no-brainer but here we are years later and the bridge is even wider. I so appreciate your thoughtful discussion and kindness in the face of monsters at the door. You are on the good side full of wisdom. Godspeed.❤
Great comment. ;-)
A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS
FROM RUSSIA,
Quotation:
"Ideologically, fascism is an omnivore."
Valerie Pyakin
The "Trojan horse" ... "Trojan horse effect",
globally Scaling ...
"Simulation System".,
Installation allover.
Maybe, cultural colored.
But it's happened backwards.
And it's happening now. Forward, yet.
I think you understand my hint.
Hidden Secrets.,
In a Sense of a Shadow over Humanity is ...
"Silent running".
Blow it away.
"Gen."
"Oz."
"Id."
"?"
Globally.
~ occur in between
the Year's.,
2020 ~ 2023 ...
Going forward ...
Are people that unconsciousness!?
Yes.
"Enter."
"Tain."
"Ment."
Queen best song:
"The show must go on",
starting with the sentence:
"Empty Spaces" ...
(Original Video to watch the Szene, a Door is opening and you can watch the audience ...
People are the picture, a kind of an Archetype
of these "Empty Spaces".
... meaning no consciousness to find there ...
Historical Quote,
Shakespeare said:
"This >>WORLD
Thank you Yanis!
Just in case someone reads this, I bought the series from Vimeo. Watched it. Great btw! Then it disappeared. I can’t rewatch or have a watch party.
Anyway, I’m excited to listen to this podcast. We Canadians are bringing some kind of Diem25 to Canada. I’m loving the idea of global solidarity and civil disobedience! ✊🏼
Sorry to hear that. That shouldn't be the case. If you bought it, this link should take you to the viewing page: vimeo.com/ondemand/eyeofthestormenglish Can you see it there?
@@EyeOfTheStorm.Podcast I thought I replied. Let me know if you did not get the reply.
Loving this conversation!! We need more of this team!! And what can we do?! Team work makes the dream work!
🙏 Thank you so so much for this enlightening conversation 👌
Thanks a lot, you and other who fight for humanity give us hope that maybe in future will be better for our kids 🙏🙏👏👏
As a German lefty, i don't know how i can ever again listen to any of the "We have to stand up for freedom against the far right" pablum without it sounding unbelievably hollow.
Scary what is happening in Deutschland
why? it's not the first nor the last, remember the funny little guy with a weird moustache?
as a german I agree. I’m frightened, appalled, and plain disgusted by my government’s warped politics.
@@monipenny408 ......Yeah I think thats why they said its scary lol.
"They learned a rule but they didn't learn a principle..."
What rule?
This really resonated with me. There are many people more comfortable living their lives according to rules, rather than principles, and more willing to exploit that.
I lived in Germany during 27 years and I never managed to articulate that fondamental truth before. But Yanis said it, and I feel good about this at last ! Now I moved back to France, it's healthier for me.
@@berlinplacebo I don't mean to correct you but Naomi said it.
@@space.youtube you are right ! thx for correcting ;-)
Yanos & Raoul, bought your brilliant documentary, invited my like-minded neighbors over, and we absolutely loved every episode. #5 was incomparable! I was vividly inspired by the 1969 movie, which my high school French teacher bused our class to, twice! Riveting and eye-opening to me as a kid. And Naomi (KLEIN not Wolf!!!), I am thoroughly enjoying Doppelganger... all the more so because it's you narrating. You are all bright stars in the dark night the world lives in today. Thank you all!
Raoul has the most beautiful eyes. They say eyes are a window to the soul, so we know his soul.
Huge respect to all three! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us.
So inspiring and so true! The lesson is not "don't be mean to Jews", it is "don't create the conditions that led to the extermination of the Jews"
You would think Jews would be extra cafeful to present their best humanitarian foot forward, to dispel the age long contentions held against them, to improve there lot on the world stage, but they don't, they try to take over and repress. Well, let's see how this shakes out.
All three of you are fantastic. Great job by the host. Asking thoughtful and poignant questions. Ms Klien thank you for being so brave, taking on so much pressure from the world. Yanis you are family ❤God bless you all. Free 🇵🇸
The repeating cycle that causes the geopolitical and social conditions we both feed and feed off, is a 'culture' we self police and reinforce, ourselves. This 'thing' actually is like a many-headed beast that has, in effect, possessed humanity 'forever'. Or so it seems. It is a huge evolutionary stumbling block, a distraction from what truly matters. We live in ignorance rather than consciousness, and this is both the larger and underlying issue that perpetuate species failure.
The clarity and intuition achieved here is necessary. Necessary to facilitate change and redesign of systems that enslave us. To find a rational path out of this nightmare. Learning through suffering is no longer a rational way for our species to proceed/evolve.
Thank you all. Please please do not stop trying. What we hold in our heart and place in our mind, matters.
What we can all be sure of history teaching us, is that human beings can be all things at any time - our behaviour has proved consistent throughout, and we must never lose sight or regard to this.
I really appreciate acknowledging that the ibrahamic accords joke led to oct 7th, this is huge and need to be well known so we dont keep repeating the opression that america force on palestinians for decades and act surprised when things explode
Amazing Naomi and Yanis. Very stimulating intellectually
A wonderful combination of minds, thank you.
Soul (and mind) food. Thank you very much ❤
Keep speaking sir, we admire you. The West is getting sickier by the day.
Naomi is always so refreshing to here from. She's a grounding voice in this world and I'm so grateful for her work. Love and solidarity to you both x
Naomi Klein..."Learning the rule of the Holocaust but not the principle." Also, a white genocide vs. a brown genocide. My how we divert shame and cherry pick our genocides. A discussion I had not expected.
Thanks for the podcast guys. Would be wonderful if you'd add subtitles at some major languages.
Thanks sir for your humanity,
Much of love to my friends in Greece 🇬🇷
As german I think "yes - we have learned the rules but forgot the principles" (if ever understood)
WolliM from PB
The fight against Lebensraum Philosophy Continues.
Jihadi Lebensraum of Gazan fascists.
Yeh !
Wow, I don't know why the algorithm pushed this video to me, but watching it from France, it is very interesting but also chilling !
Great podcasts and great insights. As a South African I missed your mentioning of the Boer wars and the women and children in concentration camps you said the British invented. A mention to that would have been informative as well. It gave rise to the Afrikaner government who came to power in 1948 and introduced Apartheid, a flawed idea of separate development. Power, money, greed, control, manipulation are at play in the world. And we all have skin in the game. The tipping point as yet to be reached. Looking forward to the future. Thank you for your fight. A Luta Continua.
Thanks to all three of you for providing such a clear, deep and humane assessment of our situation. There's a kindness that shines thru your discussion, absent in almost all political discussion now. And essential to any successful change.
You guys are great!!! very inspiring to see independent thinking and journalism
For an exceptionally wonderful conversation from the three of you, my respect
In the spirit of full circles, and history doubling, I wonder if Yanis feels a moment of glee at Naomi bringing up The Matrix, knowing that he may have given the creators the idea while teaching at University of Sydney
I didn't know that! Thank you b/c I think Yanis has incredible knowledge and excellent ideas!
As a foreigner living in Germany (from Serbia) I get amazed everyday with the lack of understanding of the situation in Israel in this country. It makes me think of Anselm Kiefer and his thought: "There was no so-called "zero hour" in reality", zero hour (Nullstunde) is the moment in 1945 when all the Germans simply stopped being nazis.
I finally realized that long held things like slavery and deep misogyny don't just go away. The people who wanted that are still around.
This conversation exemplifies the importance of the nurishment that is derived from free speech. My conclusions & view points differ from many of these people. Their thoughts are the ones I must hear because we differ. Minds flourish when fed well. While I disagree with most of Naomi's ideas, we agree 100% about genocide & zionism.
Thank you for airing this exchange.
I'm thankful this is available in Podcast (audio) also. Thank you.
We are over-ruled and over-regulated to the point that most people have given up on real thinking. Go to work, tick all the boxes you're expected to, go home, get paid. Quiet life.
Try thinking or questioning, get a reputation as a trouble maker, worry about losing your job.
This applies to so many arenas now: politicians, doctors (bee in my bonnet about those at the moment), all large corporates, many places of learning. Endless. Stops all creativity, and achieving meaningful communication and outcomes. Creates societies of automatons focused on what the screen says. We won't notice when AI takes over.
oh, we will definitively notice when AI takes over. the unemployment rate will skyrocket.
A great discussion. Its fantastic to find such useful content on this site. Thank you.
T8:18 It is called "negative feedback loop" in systems analysis. (It is actually a positive feedback loop because the process reinforces itself and grows).
Thank you so much for the excellent video. Love Naomi Klein. So powerful and important.
You should upload this to the usual podcast platforms (I use Google podcasts, but there are also spotify etc)
It will be up there soon. Follow here: shows.acast.com/eye-of-the-storm-podcast
Yes big difference between a rule and a principle....a salient observation and very relevant on teaching about genocide from Nazi WWII
So many good insights, points, and conversations in here 🎉
Thank you, both ❤🎉🙏
Thank you both and thank you for your much needed leadership ❤
great program.thank you so much.looking forward to❤ watch the serial❤❤
Thank you all for your analysis,, clever directed clear minded people,
Thank you for so many insights to locate us, where we currently are and how we are - and what the new realities are. On Enclosure: in the 60's from San Francisco to San Anselmo/ Fairfax, you could meet someone and they would let you stay with them, if you needed to spend the night or two or three. We assumed that goodness would be there. We had the "getting together" Naomi mentions (also described by Emmanuel Levinas), we assumed generosity and giving. Nothing wedged its way between us to limit our sociality. This was the most authentic way to be. Today, I go out and it's Bob Dylan's "Things have changed". The stinginess is scarry.
I think Naomi is being simplistic. International power games are not ethical. I think Biden has shifted a LOT. The American people are disgusted by Israel/Netanyahu. The genocide in Gaza is horrific.
But there is the Mid-East instability and power brokers that have to be considered as well.
None of this mess is occurring in a vacuum.
But I am grateful to hear these points of view.
No nuance Naomi ..
The Podcast is a GREAT IDEA MR. VAROUFAKIS !!! I'm looking forward to the coming Episodes ♥🌹🦋
this was amazing. thanks!
Thank you for a great show.
I love that Yanis is using Star Trek:TOS to illustrate what's going on. Star Trek, and sci-fi at its best, is a great genre for commenting on our current society. TNG and DS9 both did this as well. (Confession: I may be a trekkie...)
I think that a debate between someone like Roberto Unger, the writer of the book The Knowledge Economy, and Yanis Varoufakis would very interesting.
I enjoyed this dialogue and recognized Raoul efforts to try to bring us further along. Yet, as nice as conversation can be it hasn’t the vitality we need to move forward in changing the situation we all are in. A great thinker Nadera Shaloub-Kervokian has written every thing we need to know about the situation in Gaza, the necro-terrorist politics of Israel, the new active feminist perspective we need to infuse our thinking with, the reflection a Bookchin brought to social ecological democracy, what women are effectively doing in Iran, in Afghanistan, in Kurdistan with their hands, soul and courage. Socialism has been vegetating far far too long in a bourgeois frame of mind. So it was interesting to a point but it wasn’t feeding the will for change as Iranian women have.. and yes, there is a very high price to pay for change. It’s not comfortable, it’s need work of the heart i.e. collective courage. We need to head that way.
Thanks for staying human and being brave to speak
About 9:30 Yanis comments on the bank bailouts. Contentious at the time and to this day, no doubt, and certainly seemed like a much bigger number at the time ($700b for the banks). What hurt was no bailout for the foreclosed. Definitely a mishandled crisis. The ACA was more contentious (and costlier). The Afghanistan was only 7 years old, and Iraq 5 years old at that time, and Syria hadn't even begun rumbling yet. The wars are pretty roundly panned these days across the isles for various reasons, but when you inflate their debt, they are half the national debt. They make the bailouts look like a speed bump. On the order of around 50 times more expensive, and it's half the millstone around the neck of the debt today. 2008 was definitely mishandled, but in conjunction of what became of the wars, it was insult to injury in terms of economic impact. Yanis not wrong, out of touch liberalism is in its halcyon then and now, I just wanted to add some hindsight context to the egregiousness of the bailouts, it wasn't the sum of money that hurt, it was who got bailed out and who didnt get bailed out that hurt, in top of the lost limbs and economic limbs caused by the wars. Republican conservatives probably wouldn't mind "socialism" if it actually benefitted them, but instead it's inept liberalism and it hurts all of us.
Thank you so, so much, Naomi.
BRILLIANT!!!! I'll watch the film next! ❤❤❤
I love this podcast!
Keep on ❤
Thank-you.
Thank you for this fantastic talk
What a great conversation! Bravi!
Great episode, can't wait to watch the series!
This was great. Thanks!
So insightful! Great minds and advocates all around! Thanks
Fantastic excited to see the documentary
thank you, very nice discussion!! ❤️❤️
this was a really great episode, powerful minds, powerful times... gl anons
And now, Iran and WWIII. 2008, Covid, climate change, my kids are screwed. Love your work Yanis!
Wooow Just amazing! Thanks a lot from São Paulo/ Brazil
Finally, analysis with actual intelligence. You just got a new subscriber
Thanks a lot!! Hug from México
Uber is a taxi company that doesn't have a single car...GREAT POINT!
Fabulous Podcast
😊🏴☠️