AJW Confronts Sam Seder And Emma On The Majority Report Show
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:55 Sam Seder and Emma downplay rise in crime?
00:04:28 Pandemic vs BLM reforms
00:10:06 "You're just playing dumb"
00:14:22 Fascist in other terms instead of boogieman term
00:20:46 Sam Seder avoids New Orleans example
00:32:35 Sam Seder quizzes Actual Justice Warrior
00:41:32 Specific example instead of national trend
00:44:39 Sam Seder's assumption on AJW
00:50:34 Sam Seder debates approach similar to Vaush
00:59:45 Actual Justice Warrior calls out Emma Vingeland
01:05:28 Wage theft
01:11:18 Large employers close cos pandemic?
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I have no idea how you listen to this and think that AJW has an issue with his numbers. Sam is being intentionally dishonest. He's doubting defund the police, which did happen, he's ignoring soft on crime and goes "but but, muh pandemic." while providing NO, let me say that again, NO rational basis for why it had an effect.
"Fascism is a trigger word." Yeah, so is nazi and it's because the terms are over-used on the left and have a different meaning now. I mean, for fucks sake, apparently allowing the states to decide abortion is facism now.
Sam gets more and more cartoonish as time goes on. I used to think he was a reasonable guy but lately he just seems like a completely out of touch grifter
Sam Seder rocks.
@@Rundveltnaw. AJW was saying that the George Floyd protests/riots caused the spike in crime rates. when pushed he recognizes other factors. If he wanted to be consistent he would lay this out up front.
by far the most annoying, overused and incredibly unsupported claim is people are stealing to support their families. As Sean pointed out, Emma thinks every criminal is Aladdin.
AJW comes off like a clown, dude can't even admit poverty is a big contributor to crime rates. Dude seems laser focused on brown nosing the cops.
And most cases are hard drugs like fentanyl and etc.
@@jackeagleeye3453given all our social programs, have you considered that maybe poverty isn't that big a factor in crime?
@@jackeagleeye3453 ERR you know maybe that DA's are not prosecuting people which is the reason for crime???? So they go rob Gucci to sell for food lmfao
I don't get why we pretend that poor people are always innocent in everything. Like they're normal people. Good and bad
The guzzler was overtly bad faith during the entirety of this exchange
im happy someone remembers that lmao
Must’ve partaken in one too many buckets
@@wisekodiak2668as long as they were from black people.
@@yourarchnemesis8453since they were discussing violent criminals, that's a given.
Guzzler vs guzzler violence lol
Sam: One city isnt good enough proof of data, Sam gets asked for proof of systematic issues: "So my one black friend 20 years ago......."
Did you even watch the debate?
@wxz177 you didnt follow the convo if you think that
@@wxz177 I watched the debate, and listened also. What the guy said is exactly what happened. Did you even bother to listen yourself?
Sam is doing his best to keep the guzzler title
I give his performance 4 out of 5 buckets
A tankie trying to guzzle it up
*buckets*
I need an AI Seder singing “Every day I’m guzzling guzzling guzzling!” to the tune of the Rick Ross song.
How could I have forgotten the Sam "buckets of cum guzzler" Seder. I laughed so hard then and still am
The way Seder speaks down to AJW while being spoonfed cherry picked studies and articles that hardly rebutt the argument.. its maddening.
They were both doing it to be fair, they were both just trying to win the argument
@@Bickle121 not true lol sam had prepared a bunch of bs and u can hear his staff in real time feeding him stuff. AJW just looked up stuff that he was asked to look up, and they fit his argument anyway
@@Bickle121 Sean came with a direction for the conversation, was interrupted religiously by someone who was looking up rebuttals in real time, and half of them didn't even speak to the argument at hand. No way you think these two people were on the same level lol
Let’s make it clear 4x4, your claim is complete an unproven claim that has no bearing on the value of the arguments given.
Weird how data is suddenly “cherry picked” based on if you, the viewer, agree 🤷♂️
“Ohhh you don’t know this specific thing off the top of your head which my team just googled for me just now?”
- Sam’s entire argument
Edit: funny comments like I’m ultra right winger or something when I’m more on Sam’s ‘side’ I think Sean is overreacting though he does have a point. It’s a shame Sam has to act like a child with nitpicking nonsense rather than let a conversation happen. This wasn’t it.
Yeah I thought that with the CT argument - Sean should have called him out. Oh we're comparing an entire state that has less than half of the people in NYC alone? eff outta here with that shit.
Both dudes came off as bad faith in this one
Why didn’t Sean have someone to fact check for him? Is fact checking a bad thing?
@@miniman2132 I think sean expected this to be a one on one but Sam basically had someone not really fact check but serach for random examples for him that generally avoided his point
@@boxhead3781 yeah, again, I just don’t see why having easy access to the sources of your arguments during a debate is a problem?
Sam was overflowing with buckets of condescending energy.
Also he basically filibustering by rambling or flipping the convo into asking Shawn random shit any time he found himself in a bind or needing to actually answer for the claims he made. Destiny even sensed that when he commented that the convo was messy.
Sure. But good thing Sean also matched him with similar amounts of buckets of condescending energy and balanced it out.
I imagine all the crap Sean has talked about Sam on Tim Pooles show prior to this didn't help with that.
@@hybridh9702Locking criminals up wouldn't lower crime?
@@hybridh9702 You are the second person I’ve seen with this hugely reductive interpretation of Sean argument so I’ll copy and paste the comment I sent them.
“It’s not about putting more people in jail, that’s an insanely reductive and a bit disingenuous interpretation of his arguments. I’ll be clear and say I don’t watch AJW’s content, but he makes valid points here. The fix isn’t “putting more people in jail” it’s about fixing the damage that newer policy has done to police and making the deterring of crime stronger. More police presence, more funding, better training, better screening of new recruits, better mental health protections, better equipment, and making the punishment for crimes stick instead of being let go to reoffend. It’s insane how much of a revolving door the justice system has become in some areas. We’ve all seen the stories of criminals committing insane amount of crimes and after being caught and released. When criminals no longer fear the punishment, they go on to commit huge crime sprees. Pretty simple logic. It’s not about putting more people in jail, it’s about reinforcing the fear of punishment under the law. The overwhelming majority of these people aren’t committing crimes for survival, it’s just degeneracy. A society can’t function if we allow things like that to go unpunished. It even goes as far as to effect the youth of the country. When they know that no matter what crime they commit they won’t be seriously punished for it, they go on to commit crime. Japan has big issues with it’s youth laws creating a wave of youth crime since they know they won’t be punished for it, even teenage murders get to walk free there. So creating a similar culture in America sounds like a terrible idea. It may sound harsh but we do need to be tough on crime and not giving out get out jail free cards for every sad story that walks through the door of the justice system.
It’s a fact that having more police presence lower crime in high crime rate areas, but for some reason a few people here don’t understand why that is. It’s the not the existence of cops that lowers the crime, it’s the threat of them punishing you for committing crime. If cops don’t do their job then there is no deterrent, people would blatantly commit crime in front of cops cause they’d have no worry about them doing anything about it. So unless cops actually do their job there is no deterrent, they can’t just sit on the corner eating donuts, that doesn’t help lower crime rate. This is a really basic and common sense thing, but you’d be surprised how often I need to explain this to people.”
Seems like a lot of people like you just cherry pick one part of his argument and reduce it down to that one point and act like it’s an insane position just cause you don’t like Sean. I understand not liking the guy, but at least give his arguments a fair shake. It’s the most lukewarm centrist position that most American’s would probably agree with. We need to be tougher on crime cause these crime waves are becoming a real issue. You can point to the past where crime as been worse, but that doesn’t make it any less of an issue now. The crime spikes in the past where an issue then, and the crime spikes now are an issue now. I hate how people will play this whataboutism game to try and downplay the severity of the issues at hand. Quite frankly I think the severity is mostly irrelevant, the important thing is how we go about fixing it, which he has fair and basic solutions for.
Nah, he did fantastic, I mean ffs the investigators point, the defend the police point, (will be more I'm sure I'm only 12 mins in)
Imagine being Sam and thinking solving crimes and finding the culprit and putting that culprit in jail wont help reduce crime rates .
Bro for real! It's like he never heard of reoffenders!
You think solving crimes will bring down the rate of crime?
@@JonnyLimes lol the US has one of the largest prison populations and incarceration rates in the world as the richest country and the crime rate is still higher today than even the 1960s. Crime isn't something that's solved by just locking people up.
Do you know what happens to a number of people in prison? Their mindset changes on how to move in society; on top of the fact we don't send people there to get better or even in some cases of wrongfully convicted individuals. You must live in the suburbs lol.
Statistically, it doesn’t
I am still trying to figure out why so many people think Sam is some sort of final boss when it comes to debating. He's incredibly mediocre.
@@ohno144Because he’s extremely bad faith. No one is scared of him, everyone understands that he goes off subject and nitpicks at the smaller arguments without challenging the material of the subject matter of the debate.
@@ohno144 he never mentioned Tim pool or crowder. The fact you ignored his points like is just playing into every stereotype of majority report viewers
@@ohno144 because hes a snake and never debates in good faith
@@ohno144 no one even brought up those two, so not sure why you brought them up?
@@mmoVSmmo No that's cope
Seder is doing everything possible to get perceived moral wins.
Just tinyhats being tinyhats.
"Gradually, I began to hate them."
Exactly, he doesn't care about facts. He only cares about getting people to FEEL like he's doing good
Actually he addressed the facts silly you just like the racist light guys arguments
@@MrLifter20 I truly wish AJW was a racist but (unfortunately for me) your claim is completely incongruent with observable reality, cope harder lib.
lol he is! He’s a partisan hack.
Gonna be honest here I’m actually a pretty big fan of AJW.
He's a good dude. One of the few CZcamsrs who almost never annoys me.
He’s rad.
SAME, fan of him, fan of actual justice as a concept too.
@@bklan9899 equality under the law should be the goal. Not the teeter totter of accountability politicians seem to love so much. Someone said “the solution to past injustice is never current injustice” which I think sums it up pretty darn well!
I thought he beat destiny in their debate as well lol
Sam isn't stupid, he's a weasel 😂
Agreed. bad faith with bad ideas. but no fool.
Bro that Aladin response 🤣🤣🤣
The constant quizzing has to be one of the most annoying debate tactics in the book. I could undertand when someone makes a fantastical claim but for every single statement it starts to get kind of absurd
It's probably a way to avoid being quizzed. It's pretty apparent that Seder isn't well versed on the topic and the constant quizzing is his way of masking his shortcoming.
I think it's just that he's the host and hes playing adversarial. Basically the opposite of Rogan, he's sort of loosely questioning everything instead of loosely accepting everything. Giving AJW a chance to make his case under adversarial cross examination basically. I more agree w AJW but I didn't mind the style of the interview sometimes AJW floundered and sometimes he had great answers. His arguments will be that much stronger next time
He did say the George Floyd protest caused an increase in crime
@@orion00 It could be that Sam isn’t well versed, but I know for a fact that’s his rhetorical style when he has these types of conversations on his show, even in topics he is extremely well versed in (e.g., social expenditure)
@@difabb Perhaps. I have limited exposure to him and the few debates I've seen him do (such as with Destiny, Adam and Stitch and now AJW), he's been 100% bad faith in all of them. It's not a good look.
I wish Sean said. Investigators are able to prevent crime by catching criminals because its often for criminals to be repeat offenders.
Also in catching criminals it helps build a profile on their behavior and makes others easier to catch
this didn't need to be said to anyone but sam seder apparently. of course investigators prevent future crime.
I think he was taken aback by Seder’s bad faith (AJW was clearly using investigators as an example, then Seder pretended he was saying talking ONLY about investigators) and spent too much time trying to clarify his position against Seder’s mischaractetization.
That would’ve contradicted Sean’s entire conclusion that the problem is we’re not jailing repeat offenders for long enough.
@@KingstonHawkeit doesn’t, that would only be the case if the others things he had issues with were still in effect. So for you to be correct you’d have to boil down AJW’s position to just this investigators prevent crime thing, which wasn’t his only point. Clearly he is trying to push for the kind of policing we had before covid and these bad policing policies where put in place. And in that case he is absolutely correct that investigators prevent crime. Not only that but he also mentioned regular policing which absolutely prevents crimes, some of which are in action when they arrive. How many times do you see a police chase? That’s an action to prevent crime. Same thing with traffic stops. Cops just being in area prevents crime, you can see the data for this. More police equals less crime, this has been known for a long time.
Sam Seder has never pretended to be stupid in his life. In this regard, he's an extremely genuine individual.
I'm not that impressed by Sean either, to be honest. A lot of his claims were based on pretty tenuous evidence. To be clear, I think changing laws in Portland and San Francisco _probably_ had serious repercussions on crime levels so I am not at all with Sam Seder or the left on this particular issue. But Sean was pretty flakey.
Sean would have been better off looking at the longer term trends from 1960 to today because we have a much better idea of what was driving _those_ trends. You can then extrapolate that information and make an argument for how would should be dealing with crime generally. We're pretty sure, for example, that jailing violent and recidivist offenders reduces crime. But you can only reliably see this over the long term. Short term blips don't tell you that much.
@@aarondavis8943 That's more an issue with how this interrogation was conducted than Sean's perspective. Sean has videos that go into that sort of thing on his channel (the 60s and mass incarceration in particular). Sam regularly cuts him off mid-point or changes the subject when things don't go his way here.
@@aarondavis8943I implore you to watch the deep dives he specifically does on his channel. Destiny and this community does it no service.
@@aarondavis8943The law changes in Portland and SF didn't probably have serious repercussions on crime levels, they did. When you have criminals on record saying it's why they're doing it to such a degree, it just is what it is unless you think the criminals are lying about their reasons.
That's right...he doesn't need to pretend, it just comes naturally!
I can see why nobody wants to debate Sam, he's the embodiment of bad faith.
You're antisemitic. Reported.
Basically this.
I understand why no one wants to after seeing Emma’s appearance on Timcast.
@mmoVSmmo ahhh yes
Tim pool: emma is a pedo
Also tim pool: I don't get it, why didn't she want to hang out and play poker after the show?
@@vicarious4231I think he said that way after she was gone.
@famalam943 which part?
And BTW, why does it actually matter when he said it, (he actually said it the next day on his podcast).
If I thought someone was a pedo, I wouldn't want to hang out with them AT ALL. Idk..... that kinda shows tim pool being disingenuous.
I love the excitement Sam had when wage theft was brought up, then moments later trying to distance from it "you're the one who brought it up...".
ALw got destroyed. Bootlicker
Because getting shot in the head while running the cash register is the ultimate "wage theft."
@@donovan4222he does it on crimes period show me him claiming he only goes after black crime.
@@donovan4222no he does videos on crime. The correlation is not his fault.
@@donovan4222cause someone like you me or Walmart making money isn’t a crime the crime would be how it was made. We selling stolen items? That’s a crime. Drugs? Well shit that’s also a crime. Selling discount goods and food to people at competitive prices? Well that’s fine
When Sam Sedar is playing dumb, he literally sounds like his Bob's Burgers character. He sounds different against Sitch and Adam
@@vivacristorey87 Yeah, the health inspector. Hubert I think was the character's name
Edit: Hugo, my b
@@vivacristorey87 he was an actor back in the day.
Anyway why is anyone taking woman seriously .
@@killzone866 she's hot
Its really weird when I hear Destiny say things like “ive never heard anyone use the argument that more police dont deter crime”. Its like he is a liberal that has never talked to any liberals before!
Its almost like you conflate liberals with progs and socialists. Sounds like you watch too many conservatives that do likewise.
Because liberals dont make that argument. Do you think leftist =liberal?
@@frostdracohardstylehim calling them liberal ( which is correct ) is irrelevant , because destiny engages with progs, leftists, socialists whatever you want to call them more than enough for op’s point to stand. The unwillingness to own the incorrectness of pop ideas on your side goes too far when Sam Seder, Pakman are no longer liberals.
@@isaiahbarnwell1775 Wtf are you talking about? Holy shit you people really do only care about teams and sides. Sam Seder is not a liberal. Pakman is not a liberal. You are using the same argument that someone like Vaush would use. Bill Mahar is a Liberal. Adam and Sitch are liberals. Sargon of Akkad is a liberal. Just because you are too stupid to differentiate between ideas doesn't mean that everyone else is. You just want team politics because you have no identity outside of your conservative echo chamber bubble. Your other point is valid. Destiny has absolutely heard the argument that the op posits.
@@Onthebrink5arguably, the issue is that there are currently way too many progs and socialists (read fascists) who claim to be liberal that are not decried of their claims, and thus, in general consciousness, they are considered liberal.
Sam being so bad faith was disappointing. No attempt to have a real conversation about crime. Just nitpicking and being as pedantic as possible, discounting AJW's data for not being "national" and then bringing up local examples for himself. I would have loved to have seen him actually engage with Sean but I guess Seder is a full on ideologue these days.
He's had a long career but in the time I've been aware of him, since about 2016 and he's always been an ideologue, it has just been worse over time and I think he has been audience captured...
@@Zinojnwho is August?
I watched this same thing live, that's some really hard bad faith cope 😂
The context is all there. Show us the cuts with some time stamps.
@@randalthor2859 Destiny’s youtube editor
@@JohnDoe-kn7ex thanks for the information! Appreciate you lol.
@@randalthor2859he's implying that it's bad faith to cut the highlights of the video and put them at the begining in the teaser part even though all the context is in the video
Quizzing someone over literally anything which isn’t 100% relevant to the point will automatically show you as being bad faith to anyone with an iq above 90
Because as we all know, its bad to ask clarifying questions in a debate. The proper way to have a debate is to discuss your day and what you had for breakfast
@@autumnleaves7907when you ask clarifying questions, you don't usually dodge to a different talking point like Sam did, but instead use those to get to a conclusion.
I think questions are fine, but this turned into - Seder asks a question, mostly questions he thinks are going to be good gotcha moments, the other guy begins to answer, Seder realizes the gotcha isn't going to materalize, talks over the other guy, and ultimately starts on new gotcha attempt. Rinse and repeat - a million times.
@@jaimemarrero3982 Yeah but it's on the other guy to manage the debate, and cadence, debate is really just about rhetoric, and optics, which is what Sam always did well against libertarians, which to be fair generally is pretty low hanging fruit.
I will never understand the respect Sam Seder gets.
I beginning to hate Sam.
I don't think he actually gets any excelling from Ethan h3.
lol the fact sam has multiple people looking things up and handing him things during the debate and sean is going mostly off the top of his head and sam is trying to act like he is more informed on the topic is hilarious
Stupid Seder, expecting his debate opponent to do even a crumb of pre debate preparation! How DARE he expect AJW to back up his claims!
@@autumnleaves7907more like "how dare he think he is more informed when he has people Google shit for him 24/7"
AJW: I did not say that.
Sam: I know you did not say that, I am saying that you said that.
Oh, okay... that's how that works. Good to know.
don´t play dumb, his point is perfectly valid and understandable. He´s accusing him of veiling his true argument behind rhetoric. If that´s actually the case or not is a different question, but to pretend like that´s some outrageously nonsensical bad faith argument is just stupid.
AJW got rolled. Also, he's a balding incel
@@mekullag Play dumb? Sam doesn't listen, that's why Sam gets caught saying dumb shit.
He's to busy sifting through papers his staff gives him to actually listen.
Like when he says "I give you the benefit of the doubt"... when? He questioned everything AJW brought up, that was his only move.
But cool, give it a pass because he's on 'your side' or something.
Just like how he kept trying to say AJW was bouncing from National to Local... and then Sam would bounce from National to Local and didn't expect to be called out for it. LMAO!
Or when he expected AJW to just know everything all the time... then had to say the thing he was citing was only published literally the day before this interview.
Or how he didn't read the entire Journal of Experimental Psychology and only cherry picked the one line he liked.
But I'm the one playing dumb? LMAO! Fanboi harder.
@@autumnleaves7907 whoa, nice argument
@@Kamfrenchie and the good thing is, I don't even need to post any links to prove my point. It's all right there in the video! 😁
Living in a blue state with insane bail reform really sucks tbh my girlfriend actually works for the DAs office and it’s almost always repeat offenders stealing or assaulting people … and everyone loves to play the Aladdin card but the people who live in the crime ridden areas who aren’t criminals and have to suffer the most are the people who get discussed the least
Its as if the left doesn't care about poor or working class people, they just hate rich people and are jealous of people with power.
That moment when seeder tries to make the argument that being stopped by the police makes you want to commit crimes: priceless.
No, it makes you mistrust police. Why? Because there has been instances of Cops targeting people and planting drugs on people in certain communities. There was just a group of Cops who went to trial in 2017 for this exact thing. Hell, years before that in California, there was a Cop I think GTA based Officer Tenpenny off of, he did the same shit. They were dirty cops taking advantage of folks who were already barely keeping their heads above water. That's the main fright having more policing, because eventually even the cops start committing crimes. Those cops I mentioned before, from 2017, they robbed and stole as well as sold drugs and planted them on people to pad arrest numbers, smh.
I wonder if there's any truth to that, it seems pretty likely. For example some group of people in particular tended to be targeted by police I could see it promoting a general disregard for the police and law in that group
Yes, obviously. When you are arbitrarily harassed by representatives of the law simply for existing or having a certain skin colour you're likely to feel that you're not being included fairly in the social contract and will therefore have more skepticism towards the social contract. Same thing happens with kids who get punished for things they didn't do (i.e., parents punish both kids regardless of who did it, teachers punishing both kids if they get in a fight even if one was picking on the other, entire classes getting detention over something a single kid or small group of kids did), they generally tend to develop less respect for the authority and rules of their parents and teachers and are more likely to break the rules they set because they already see a disconnect between whether or not they follow those rules and whether or not they'll get punished for breaking them.
@@Azraelmaximilian If an area has a higher crime rate and a larger police presence, or the demographic of that area is over represented in crime, the likelihood is that members of that demographic group wil be stopped by police. Now, stopped by police is not automatically harassed by police. Tough luck.
@@Azraelmaximiliancomparing punishments from a teacher or parent to someone saying "You know what, I don't respect cops since they've harassed me so I'm going to commit a crime that will cause me to be locked up for 5 years because I don't care about police or the social contract that I will still be held to regardless of whether or not I don't have faith in the system for applying accurate sentencing" has to be one of the most idiotic things that I've ever read this year, have you ever been to any area that has crime or at least met people from these types of areas? This sounds like some nonsense I'd expect from someone who thinks that people in the USA are mainly stealing in order to feed their family, someone like Emma.
if you're reading this and you're on the left, you don't have to defend shoplifting. stealing is bad and is not the answer. you can be compassionate and understand why people steal without defending it. apologizing for and downplaying theft is admitting defeat in a way. it's like giving up on trying to fix the deeper issues that cause people to commit crimes.
Everything is black and white with the left, in their minds if they condemn shoplifting they're supporting corporations. I saw people suggesting that mob of kids that robbed Nordstrom were upset about healthcare and housing costs.
Im starting to learn that thats not how the group as a whole thinks...
"Bad" only exists in the context of what you can "prove" is bad.
Power>Truth
Many dont have to worry about being bad people, because in their minds, you have to prove they're bad (otherwise they're not)
stealing is defended because an ignorant moral compass is what provides hope/power (i.e.-stealing is good if it helps you)
"The weak are meat and the strong do eat"... i dont the the majority of people you're speaking to care about "deeper issues" ❤ (its always about the "here and now"... humanism)
My head nearly exploded when Sam implied that the "stress and anxiety" from the pandemic was because of the disease and hospitals being overcrowded, and not because literally everyone who isn't a privileged techbro with a remote desk job had their entire life come to a screeching halt, and especially young people felt as if their future was being undercut to potentially save lives.
True. I’ve rarely ever seen him “loose” a debate, but he’s never come across as convincing or a clear winner. He knows just enough to come across as knowledgeable but that’s about it.
It's kind of a combination of both, a lot of people lost loved ones or at the very least had loved ones with long hospital stays. It doesn't just have to be one thing lol.
Potentially save lives? That definitely did save lives, a whole lot of them.
Remove the "potentially" and I agree.
@@coreyander286 You can't skip straight to the pandemic, it's pretty obvious that someone who's hardship was a result of the restrictions would feel very differently than someone who's hardship was directly related to themselves or someone close to them contracting the virus. When people ignore that and try to exclusively talk about the disease they are actively insulting the people who are still struggling and basically just telling them to look past their suffering and appreciate that it's somehow worth involuntarily saving the life of someone they don't know. Of course that just leads into the problem I hinted at with the word potential, but I'll leave that to my next reply.
In Sam's defense, I don't think he just *playing* dumb 😉
Such bad faith. So because the number of officers shrank right before the crime spike makes it irrelevant? Sam saying that AJWs argument is irrelevant because it’s not national, and then trying to use local crime statistics?
Acting like losing investigators would have nothing to do with preventing crime? Wouldn’t other officers go into some investigator positions? The mental gymnastics to hold onto this ideology are insane
What about AJW claiming that crime happens because some people are just born to be criminals? Like there’s a strand of DNA linked to crime?
Isn’t that, objectively, the pinnacle of stupidity in this entire debate? Yet you people don’t bring it up?
Both came in bad faith here, AJW taking forever to acknowledge that crimes rates have I fact dropped. Also seems kind of anti free speech to blame spikes in crime for cops resigning because they got triggered because people protested them.
@@miniman2132when did he make race essentialist arguments? You got a time stamp for that?
@@miniman2132Isn’t there a genetic basis for sociopathy? Aren’t some people born very very likely to be criminals? How is that stupid?
Destinys CZcams chat is full of the smartest people who are very considerate about the comments they make.
I studied criminology in college so this was very entertaining for me to watch. This can't even be considered a "debate" This vid should be titled "Sam Seder gets a lesson in Criminology." i was impressed by how prepared AJW was for this debate. He even knew that there are three different tools the US uses to measure crime data. (Something the average joe would not know) This shows me that he genuinely cares about this topic and studied his ass off. Good for him. Perhaps he took criminology in college too.
Pretty sure he did.
That's what his degree was in. He does care. This was hard to watch. Sam is incredibly disrespectful.
Sean is great and I strongly recommend his channel
pretty sure he has the same degree as you.
Sam Seder has always been a bit overrated in the debate sphere IMO
a little bit
@martincerny3294 he's the bagelest bagel that's ever bageled.
His ‘debates’ are like tabloid journalism tactics. They don’t engage with the material, it’s about trying to trip up your opponent with nitpicks. Which is just incredibly frustrating and unproductive
@@famalam943 pilpul.
Sam killed it
Sam's bad faith pettifoggery made this "debate" almost unwatchable.
@@OneRedKraken Yeah, AJW does come with a metric shit ton of starmen and bad extrapolations from his data.
@@09BiGDylan Like what? Be specific. If it's a "metric shit ton" then I'm sure you can name just one instance of "bad data"?
Was a weird debate, AJW came weak and appears to not be thrilled that people use their first amendment to criticize the cops and crime is a subject Seder doesn't follow super close.
Hmmmmmm yes, quite.
Not the biggest Sean fan but Sam was weak and bad faith throughout this debate
Always is
As someone that respected Sam for not being of the Bernie or bust crowd I can say that this debate has show me a side of Seeder that I didn't know before.
Oh yeah obviously
I'm still baffled that Seader fans exist in a bubble where this is somehow surprising
When have you ever seen him argue in good faith?
I legitimately don't understand how anybody respect Sam Sedar as an "intellectual/debater". He is a less intelligent, more dishonest, David Pakman.
I don't know about unintelligent, but I don't think I could imagine someone more dishonest if I tried... (ok to be fair maybe George Santos but that's a pretty wild level of dishonesty)
Love hearing Pakman debate, he really does a decent amount of good faith before he traps someone. Really let me down during the Rittenhouse period especially against Destiny. But man I thought I'd like Sam until I realized how insanely bad faith he is and how far left he is
what a braindead take
Savid Seedman is the real master debater
David pakman isn't that bad but he is very ideological.
Destiny just created his own definition of fascism
He did, and it just happened to correspond to Trump's whole schtick. I don't like the guy either, but I don't think he's a fascist. If anything he's too dumb to have any coherent ideology. Fascism is ultranationalist, anti-democratic, anti-communist, expansionist (most modern lefties leave this one out), and they do usually try to achieve some type of economic autarchy.
He straight up listed aspects that fascism shares with most non-libertarian ideologies while neglecting to add in the DEFINING characteristics of fascism, namely the TOTALITARIANISM, it's not authoritarian, it's totalitarian, some conservatives are authoritarian but hardly any are totalitarians
@@paloim Yeah his definition could fit almost any "ism." Its done to put political opponents into a box and assign "guilt by association." Also known as a dog whistle for the left.
Destiny's definition of fascism is so he can dismiss your views without engaging them. It's the same old "that's a right wing talking point" he uses because he doesn't have a sound rebuttal.
@@paloimhow are they authoritarian?
Sam looks so childish this whole time while trying to be condescending as usual
1:02:34 The issue with retail theft is that unless it is a large organized crime operation most retail theft goes unreported. Not only does it go unreported but you're also instructed to not interfere or stop the theft. This means that the numbers that you get about retail crimes are almost always underreported. So when you take these numbers and integrate them with the crime stats as a whole they are not as representative as they should be. And then you have cities that actually decriminalize these crimes until a certain threshold is met. So even if it is reported it isn't recorded as a crime.
I mean why would a company spend millions to put their products behind locked glass doors, for no reason? Clearly they're actually losing enough to bother
How do you know what is unreported if it is unreported? Why do they bother with all the security measures if they aren't going to bother using it?
Where is it not a crime? Cali for instance there is no minimum threshold, there are thresholds that determine different kinds of crimes but there is no minimum to be a crime.
most retail theft is just that dummy where do you think they are selling those clothes.
@@ArnoldFlibble You can fairly easily point to policy decisions that would lead to under reporting. For example, if I have a policy that I won't prosecute weed possession then a natural implication of that policy is that weed possession charges would go down, regardless of how often it's committed
@@ArnoldFlibble Just 20 years of working retail.
Literal BUCKETS during tbis debate 🙏
This time it wasn't from Sam tho lol
@@jackeagleeye3453you remind me of me fighting against comments against destiny, but your case is for sam lol
A tankie trying to guzzle buckets
Can you explain to me why that's funny? Buckets of cum? Hilarious! Truly next level comedy.
Has Sam told his feminist friends about his thesis, that treating men as rapists will turn them into rapists?
My brother was a police officer in Minneapolis. He was there when the third precinct was burned to the ground. He 100% retired early due to anti-cop sentiment and mental health issues after that event. Can you blame every retirement on that? Probably not, but it definitely accounts for far more than Sam is giving it credit.
i've lived in and around Minneapolis most my life, had a cousin on the force that left like little over a year before the george flyod stuff. love him to death but MPD is soooooo bad at being police. Their only focus is making sure the city is tolerable for commuters, and people coming in for events. They treat all residents poorly but especially the north siders and south siders. the fact so many of them retire for the reason you're brother stated seems a lot more their guilt for being so incompetent for so long and ruining the city for so many people clashing with their inability to even take an once of responsibility for their actions.
@@jeffreygarty8214 Speaking of people taking responsibility for their actions, there once was a meth-head who passed a counterfeit bill, invited a police interaction, overdosed on fentanyl, and died telling his girlfriend (pet name: Mama) that he couldn't breathe while a police officer did his job exactly by the book, including placing him on the ground as requested and calling an ambulance for his medical distress.
But I'm sure he's an outlier and those kinds of interactions aren't one step away from happening a thousand times a day in that city and it's all the cops' fault.
@@jeffreygarty8214uh so instead of stats we have anecdote from anonymous Internet goblin?
Huge increase in murder mostly black victims. Gun checks going to mall. Facts
Wow sorry about your brother....hope he has been doing well.
August, you are stepping you game up so well. Love to see it. These edits are so full of context and info. Good on you, love the trend.
Almost how it was when he started
guzzling time
It really be tho. Hope Sam has his bib on
You need to have Sean on stream more to talk about crime.
Sean would guzzle buckets from the cops lol
@@jackeagleeye3453 no cops, only senior investigators according to Sam
So he can spread more misinformation 😂
@@just_a_turtle_chadYeah, Destiny doesn't need to have anyone on to do that.
like what? @@just_a_turtle_chad
If Sam isn’t willing to finish a topic, what’s the point of debating it at all? He can’t take the loss so he moves on in most cases.
The most insidious thing about Sam is that he actually appeals to educated people who have switched their brains off because he fits in their friend category.
Educated but unintelligent or intellectually lazy
Most of the criticisms I see towards Sam are just adhoms, like OP's right here
@@jackeagleeye3453 this is not an adhom because it is not an argument against Sam. Its an observation based on the OPs opinion. There's many many valid criticisms of/arguments against the way Sam conducts himself in the video and in the comments if you dont get so attached to your man. If you agree with the ideas he's espousing, you should take glee in denouncing him as he damages your movement and the overall political landscape with his intellectual dishonesty. His only function is to preach to the choir and give people a sense of smug self satisfaction, just like steven crowder, milo, david pakman, and all their ilk. Its cancer. Its just like those pundits they would have in fox news XM radio back in the day where they just talk over the caller and give the least favorable interpretation of their arguments on purpose to ridicule and try to demoralize the "enemy" and militarize the "allies".
@@jackeagleeye3453ur dumb
@@tongpoo8985my favorite part is this dope your responding too won't reply lol.
So this is why Crowder wasnt so keen on debating him
Crowder is bad but so is Sam. One is a fascist, the other is a tankie
People like Sam and Emma aren't there to debate but to create TikTok and Shorts clips of them doing "gotcha" moments.
@@donovan4222 Emm no?.... Its to engage in a discussion to see how strong the other sides are. Being bad faith about it is what a weasel would do
@@Sparrows1121 that's Seder's alt account, don't mind him trying to salvage whatever sad form of reputation he has left
1:21:53
The first time he told this story, it was his friend, not his buddies friend, and the story was that his friend called him, not pulled up behind his other friend 😂
Sounds like he cut unecessary details and streamlined it as he told it more and more.
@@LoudWaffle that's some hardcore mental gymnastics to justify your messaiah lying to you 😂
@@randalthor2859 I'm only 20 minutes into the video, I literally had (and still have) no idea which of the three guys you're talking about. But my comment seems the most likely conclusion based on the information in yours.
Have you ever told a story to other people before? Ever felt it fall a little flat in its delivery because you include too many extraneous details? Makes sense to me.
@@LoudWaffle
Yeah, this makes sense tbh.
@@LoudWaffle he added additional details, what part of this is so hard for your pea brain to grasp? This is why it's mental gymnastics. You hear he embellished the original story, and claim he cut details when you admit you have *NO* idea what you're talking about.
I wish I loved anything as much as you love being stupid 😂
Sam and Vaush are Sophists through and through.
Solving crime and preventing crime are directly related. You avoid doing the crime if you know your chances of getting caught via investigation is high.
It does make sense that when crime happens then poverty happens. Its just nature when living in those areas. I mean Detroit is a real life version of that
Not nessecerily. If you don't do things to alleviate things that incentivise crime, like inadequate wages, poverty, or just general lack of resources, for all the people you arrest, others will absolutely rise to fill in that gap. Especially when you're dealing with underground or Black markets like you do in drugs or organized crime.
I find it is fascinating how Sam, presumably, finds it impossible to believe that there are genuinely immoral people out there. He's clearly a Noble Savage believer, a Blank Slate believer.
You think black people are genuinely immoral people? Wow.
@@tianamaycry No criminals are often immoral or amoral though
@@markg1727 So how exactly does your comment about genuinely immoral people relate to your "noble savage" comment?
Honestly, you're just saving face, aren't you?
Anytime Sam's argument is confronted with potentially being undone, he just moves on. He NEVER addresses it.
Lol that wasn't Sam doing that silly
@@MrLifter20 then you weren't watching the video
Sam literally did not do that. Take your boy Destiny’s advice and actually watch the debate
He's the king of smugnorant. This talk should have been a huge change in his perception but he just walked away thinking he got perceived moral wins because "criminals are just victims too" or some stupid shit like that
Destiny needs to actually research fascism in general instead of cherry picking parts to make up a definition to apply to those he doesn't like. He is right about it being ultra nationalistic and authoritarian but it is more than that. Fascism is also economically authoritarian, corporations exist for the betterment of the State, workers exist for the betterment of the State. This means compulsory membership in state unions, if you are a business owner that doesn't do what the State wants you are replaced with someone who will do whatthe State wants. The reason fascist are anti globalism is because it would allow things outside State control.
Fascist are also very pro government benefits for its citizens. This means universal healthcare, land grants, universal housing, universal employment, and even universal basic income.
Trump might be authoritarian and a nationalist but doesn't match up with fascism by any definition unless you seriously stripe it down to the point that i can say a majority of communist countries are fascist. So do better.
Did sam just say solving crimes doesn't prevent future crimes?
AJW's biggest strength is he doesn't care about optics, he cares about the point. its also his biggest weakness unfortunately.
If he cared so much about the point, why did he never engage on the points about the officer shortage starting before the floyd protests?
@@Sauron17011He literally did, and Sam scoffed at it being too small of a sample size, then later brings up his own small samples.
Because he's bad faith. His entire team engages in these tactics, and it only fools the supremely stupid among us.
Yeh he easily could’ve forced Sam to acknowledge defeat on a couple of points but he let Sam quiz him the whole time.
@@randalthor2859”bad faith” I keep seeing commenters say this about Sam and it’s just not true or at least he’s not more bad faith than the average.
You must be Tim pool fans lol
@@Bickle121 I wouldn't call sam Bad faith, but I would call him debate brained.
These majority report people are the worse. Just using common sense and not being baited into anger is enough to make them look crazy.
Should of seen what these people were like before they were held accountable. This is how they act with all eyes on them.
@@maniswil2 i honestly think they act normal but have to spout this shit as a job. You can't be this crazy
51:18
Sam REALLY tried to ask "but you're saying locking up the people who shop lift they won't be able to shoplift?"
lol I for sure wouldn't have been able to have maintained my composure for long. Like, "Yes, Sam, locking someone up would indeed mean that they cannot shoplift anymore."
I thought 'the right' were terrified of debating this guy 🤣 what an awful performance
Destiny is smart enough to figure out why the situation in New Orleans doesn’t illustrate AJWs point.
Also. You’re extremely charitable with AJW who never made it even an inch toward showing that crime is a result of George Floyd protests.
@@RobbPadgettare u dead serious or just stupid? Ajw made many videos about it. So yes he did. And we all seen it many times. Wtf are u on about?
Getting Bill O'Reilly vibes from Sam Seder's air conditioner analogy. Tide goes in tide goes out...
You can't explain that!
How come no one pointed out that when you solve crimes, you prevent future crying because a lot of criminals are repeat offenders
Typo, crimes instead of crying.
while some who commit crime will likely reoffend granted the opportunity. this completely disregards the reality that sending nonviolent offenders to jail will cause them to harden due to the conditions in most jails/prisons. this can cause them to be more violent due to trauma or to avoid the risk of returning to jail. it's not as simple as send them all to jail and problem solved.
Really wished Destiny paid more attention in the beginning took him a while to see how slippery Sam was being throughout the debate.
“Do you think Emma is a pedo ?” Sam is a cowardly weirdo 🗿
Its no different than the random slander Sam Seder group does to people
17:15 I was smoking weed during this debate and I thought Sam sounded like the high person for bringing up this analogy to make AJ look like a dumb child 🗿☕️
You do know that tim pool made those claims based on episode Emma and AJW were on together. And as an employee and dare i say friend of Sam's he was just standing up for her right?
@@jeffreygarty8214 You mean defending a book that encouraged Grindr to be used by kids?. What a guy lol. But seriously Sam deserves this slander, he is bad faith debator and slander people all the time. I dont feel one inch of sorry for this creep
Been waiting for this one 👀
I hate this false dichotomy: "Crime drives poverty" versus "Poverty drives crime." In truth, both these things feed into each other. Those born into unstable homes are more likely to be criminals, but criminals make the situation worse by making economic opportunities which help the poor more difficult to come by. Nobody's going to start a business in an area where it can get robbed or burnt to the ground at a moment's notice. But the kind of people who would do that probably grew up surrounded by other bad people and shitty parents. What we need to do is be tough on crime but also tough on the causes of crime.
I guess Monks and priests who take a vow of poverty must be genetically superior people. They manage to live in poverty without committing crime. 😅
More people on the right should debate sam. Much like a camera adds five pounds, debating sam makes you look like you have an extra thirty IQ points.
Supposedly, they're "scared" of him
Rightie can’t make real arguments because his iq is too low so only ad Homs
Would be great to see if only ball fondler Crowder or Dim Tool mustered up the courage
It's just a waste of time, so most people on the right have just blacklisted him. Nobody's scared of him lmao, Sam's just bad content
@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 I won't hold my breath waiting on shapirat, the tribe never really wars against itself. Same for Prager. Blaze seems more focused on pop culture and comedy. So he's left with independent people, and when they see how intentionally retarded Sam is, I understand them brushing him off as a waste of time.
Destiny has really simple and childlike understanding of fascsm. Not knowing the difference between it and authoritarian is baffling for him.
his definition of fascism is just the definition of anti establishment, he has no idea what fascism is it seems
What's you definition of fascism and how does it differ?
@@Yams42279”we need to arrest my political adversaries” = anti institution 😂
@@13enwarnerthe minimum requirement for fascism is Blood and Soil ideology
@@funicon3689
Like native Americans believe? They're pretty anti immigrant, too
Just starting this off so maybe it's said later in the video, but investigators do in fact contribute to lower crime rate. People are statistically less likely to commit crime if they believe they will be caught. They are emboldened every time they or someone they know does not get caught.
Not to mention catching a criminal prevents his future crime, but leftists are literally brain dead, this channel included
21:26
Because Sam can't actually make an argument without a massive pivot.
What he claimed here is absurd on its face. The size of the force has negligible or *NO* effect on crime? 😂😂😂
So a department of 0 officers would be equally effective? Or does the size in fact actually matter?
You can argue that after a certain point, additional officers become redundant, even damaging, but to argue *NO* effect is obviously false on its face. Some things are so absurd you don't need a study to disprove. Basic thought excercise will take care of most of Sams bullshit.
Yes, and this is what the study he referenced says. That in most cities in America adding more police force is not that effective in reducing crime, because of deminishing returns and it's more useful to focus on implementing effective police strategies.
@@tadeuszd1234 that's *not* what he said. You really gonna blatantly lie when we all heard him say it? 😂
@@randalthor2859 I'm not talking about Sam, but about the study he referenced. Calm down, I'm not fighting you. I agree that Sam misrepresented the findings of the study by omitting context and some facts
@@tadeuszd1234 and I'm stating that isn't what Sam said. Time stamps right there. Give it another listen.
He didn't say adding police wasn't very effective. He blatantly said the size of the police force has negligible or no difference in crime.
I don't actually care too much for studies. You can find a study to support just about anything. Iron rusts when it comes in contact with oxygen and water, and we have iron in our blood. If a study came out claiming you'd rust if you breathe air and drink water, I somehow doubt you'd hold your breath.
I used an absurd example to make a point, but we both know there are studies out there with wild conclusions that anyone with 2 braincells to rub together would immediately discount.
That all said, what the study found is irrelevant to Sams claim. He said some seriously stupid shit right there.
There is, quite literally, definitions for fascism. However, learning it would require destiny to read thinkers like Gentile, Schmidt, Maurras, Sorel, etc. But we all know he is never going to do that. And no, a vast, vast of conservatives (in america, it is lower in europe) would not accept a fascistic government.
Trumps polling would kinda disagree
@@Ash-jm3pd Trump is in no way a fascist. if you would share what fascistic thinkers you have read and how literally any of them propose something similar to Trump's first term, that would be lovely
@@MC_heart4 So him rallying up his supporters at the capital in an attempt to overthrow the government and steal the election for himself when he lost, as well as going after the press and saying they are the enemy, not to mention the multiple indictments showing the lengths he was willing to go through to break the law is what exactly?
@@Ash-jm3pd Trumps not a fascist.. please for the sake of god, shut up.
Sam thinks he doesn't have to put in effort since he has the moral high ground.
The quick and dirty definition for Fascism is probably State Capitalism.
Fascism has three pillars. Authoritarianism, Nationalism, and State Capitalism. As a long time socialist, Mussolini took great interest in the plight of the working class. However, he felt national identity was a better way to unify the people than class, so he maintained a capitalist system with Big Brother looking after things. He also was a strong believer in stamping out corruption in the government, but as an authoritarian, "corruption" quickly translates to "Disagreed with me once."
Destiny: arresting your political opponent is facist.
Joe Biden: hold my beer, corn pop.
How does one go about believing Joe Biden is arresting his political opponents? Do you have to avert your eyes to any legitimate source of information and just pump Donald Trump speeches into wireless headphones at all times? Genuinely curious, how exactly does it work?
Lol 😆 they wouldn't admit it
Sam seems so unprepared, the other person in the conversation outshined him by far.
I can't believe Destiny said Sean sounded like he was floundering......
Thats because he doesn't really understand AJW arguments even tho they are very logical
First 20 minutes he absolutely was, conflating his points and arguments to the point where D man even pointed it out (despite prolly agreeing him over Sam)
@@wxz177 Crime causes poverty (that was Sean's premise) is about the least logical basis for an argument I've ever heard. He might be right about trends in statistics, though I did not find them particularly convincing, but I saw absolutely no support for that particularly bonkers claim. I would buy that inequality often results in crime, but crime is a symptom of a larger societal problem, not the cause. That right there is about as egregious as anything Sam put forth. And I will happily admit that having seen some of his debates and discussions, this was not his strongest by a long shot. Neither side put forth a decent argument.
@@joeymac4302what happens to insurance rates in areas with high crime? what do big businesses do when they get stolen from everyday with their incredibly low profit margins? and then the occasional flash mob theft events, how would they impact a business if they happen occasionally?
don't pretend crime doesn't also cause poverty, because it absolutely does. it's one of the main issues facing the black community from what i can tell, even more than police misconduct. commit crime, drive poverty, commit more crime because of community desperation, drive more crime.
it's a terrible cycle, and like sean says, treating criminals who hurt their communities like aladdin is a very one dimensional analysis and will never allow for fixing the issue.
@@joeymac4302how does crime not cause poverty, we are literally seeing certain cities just die after the riots that burned down tons of businesses. what about the crime causing major retailers to flee crime centers?
As someone who's come up in a poor country and communities, both Brazil and US. Most of the time, crime causes poverty. Wealth disparity causes crime that perpetuates poverty. But, good family and culture is the best way to prevent crime in poor communities. The only time poverty causes crime is when you are completely destitute, fighting for basic needs like water and food. Sam is such a slimy snake that says he doesn't excuse criminals as Robinhood, and goes on for hours about poverty causing crime, insinuating that they steal to live, is frustrating. Sam never once, in good faith, engaged with the other side.
"Most of the time, crime causes poverty. Wealth disparity causes crime that perpetuates poverty" You just admitted that wealth disparity preceded crime, which is closely related to poverty. If you look at the data worldwide, it is more likely that poverty precedes crime than vice versa. For the simple fact that there are MANY causes of poverty that have nothing to do with crime, while there aren't that many causes of crime if you take poverty/inequality out of the equation. Like when you brought up "good family and culture", how is that usually is destroyed is through....poverty. The only other explanation is that you think there is something inherent about tons of people just not valuing family and culture for some reason.
bro best way to prevent crime is to give people oppertunties and uplift families from poverty how is anyone going to teach there kids values when the work just for the bare minimum
@@za-ir5ni How are you reading this? Poverty exists in many places, just like he said, in my country Nigeria for example, hundreds of millions of people are very poor, yet the crime and homelessness is nothing compared to cities in America, and most of the violence here is committed by terrorst groups. However in places where there is wealth inequality, in other words, both rich and poor people living in the same city, crime becomes a factor. The more the crime though, the less secure businesses are in that area, which drives up poverty in that area.
@@Deathwink1 You act like there aren't people that commit crime because they believe they are smart enough to do so. All those families of Organised crime, you think they don't have the opportunity for education and wealth creation? Why do they still remain in crime?
@@Deathwink1In Nigeria here, millions of people live on the bare minimum, they still teach their children principles and morality, and many of the kids adhere to it. So your comment is out of ignorance
The problem is all these stats are for convictions. With less cops you get convictions which sam thinks that's a lower crime rate. If you base stats on reported crimes instead of convictions the crime rate goes through the roof. Sam is going of convictions when Sean is using reported crimes.
AJW starts to explain crime stats but I think they get distracted. Part of the stats are also from reports, whether they are solved or not.
I can't understand the mental fortitude that can tolerate these conversations. I'm getting a headache like 5 minutes in
Yo whats the song in the intro?
“We still have more officers than 15 years ago”
If only he knew how big of an L that was…
Compare the population 15 years ago to today and see how smart that sounds next to the amount of officers then and now…
You know what's funny is I actually watched this full debate when it came out. This isn't Sam versus Sean this is Sam and his whole team versus Sean and he has all of them on the ropes there's actually a part of this video where Sam's team accidentally cut into our feed so we can hear what they're saying to him and they accidentally even asked her like where you could hear me and Sean replies yes LBVFS 😂🤣😭
I’ve been waiting for you to do this one!
10:22 Sam doesn’t need to PLAY dumb… he IS dumb.
Damn, Destiny's audience has moved hard right since i looked two years ago
They’re just coming out of the woodwork again because they spent so long thinking he liked conservatives, lmao.
lol no this is delusional
Destiny always only cared about owning in debates, which right wing losers love the most
it's a mixed bag. tbf, i could see some of seans audience appearing here more vocally than usual as theres some overlap in the people watching sean and destiny (i watch both).
but also destiny and his audience have never really committed their minds to one line of political thinking. most of destinys audience is in support of trans rights and those progressive ideas, but also thought rittenhouse was not guilty.
wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those "right wing" views that the audience just tends to hold given the statistics that seem to support them strongly. (not talking about race stats, dont hurt me)
@@chrisbosh584, anybody with a brain could see Rittenhouse was acting in self defense. The video evidence was, and still is, very clear so agreeing with the Rittenhouse verdict, does not make one a right winger.
the majority report guys are THE worst.
How? Those guys are liberals just like Destiny, maybe more left leaning than him but about the same.
@@louie3216 No, they're commies but that's not the reason why they're the worst. The reason why they're the worst is that they are like if a bad faith materialized into human form and started to have debates. I've never seen any one of them make an argument in good faith.
The majority report is the prime example of rich people completely out of touch with reality
@yoadrian5897 where did Emma go to school, not talking college, I mean school and how much are the tution fees per semester?
Would it also be possible that a good portion of these investigators were hired during concurrent periods when "Tough on Crime" policies were becoming more pronounced during the early 90's? It could be that these individuals are now all starting to retire at around the same time period.
Destiny really needs to learn fascism, his explanation is straight out of progressive high school
I don't get the covid excuse. If covid was the cause then we would see the same effect everywhere, particularily in countries of similar culture and development to the US. But that is not the case. Sure we saw the same in parts of Britain, but those parts had massive BLM riots aswell, tearing down statues and so on. But we didn't see it in Norway, or Denmark, or Germany. Why is that? Why is covid the cause of all these murders if that is not the main commonality between countries that had murder spikes? The commonality is the BLM riots, not covid. Places that had more and bigger BLM riots had an increase in crime, thats true within the US's borders aswell. Why didn't small white towns have a 30% increase in murders?
Really love your videos man I appreciate you
Solving crimes does indeed lower crime rates because lots of studies have show that criminality lowers dependent on the likelihood of being caught rather than the severity of punishment. Sam is indeed 'playing dumb'.
Not only that. Getting "caught" quickly means the criminals are less likely to re-offend, which is the most likely predictor to if someone will commit a crime. Like the example on theft.
Monarchism falls under Destiny's fascism definition for some reason
Emm : I. Really?. I can understand Absolute Monarchies is bad. But take Scandinavia where its mostly figure head thing, Constitutional Monarchies is the word i think. Though in Norway the king only have a right to say no to a policy suggestion at best from what i have heard.
But i consider Fascists and Tankies to be equally same and bad. National elections, free speech and social democracy is the thing to go with
My point is Destiny's definition of fascism is too broad and can include fascism communism and monarchism in it. But the difference between fascism and monarchism for example is that fascism has no institutions justifying its ruler. Its simply gang rule. While monarchism has institutions. The Crown is an institution that remains in place even after a ruler dies. Nobility is also an institution and Clergy is an institution. All these different institutions are not exactly indipendent from one another like in a modern democracy, but they all hold their own keys to power so in monarchies the political and social power is not as extremely centralized in the Ruler as in fascism. We call fascism totalitarian but we dont usually use this word for monarchies. They were authoritarian but they were not totalitarian because they had these different institutions holding varying shares of power in society, and for the most part it wasn't physically possible from an infrastructure perspective to centralize power that much under Monarchies of the past. Its a bad definition overall @@Sparrows1121
Fascism is not a subjective term.
Wouldn't an investigator solving crime, put a criminal away, therefore preventing future crimes????
A major gripe I have with Destiny is what his definitions are and how he uses labels against those he sees as his political rivals.
I agree been watching him for a while now and as much as I love all the drama streams he’s actually reverting back to the ideas and understanding of the far left and being less and less charitable
@@jamesworthwhile55how is he reverting to the far left ?
@@jamesworthwhile55 I mean how can you have honest debate with a bad faith actor. Especially with a Tankie
This is Destiny 100% .
@@HorusHerotic eh atleast Destiny is not a shill to the corrupt American two party establishment. Both Democrats and Republicans are terrible
I love that destiny just does the exact same thing as sam and basically googles the info he doesnt have.. Although to answer some of these questions better you need a bit more than a cursory google.
Fascists + Tankies = Same thing, change my mind