Serral vs Maru - $500,000 StarCraft 2 GRAND FINALS | IEM Katowice 2024

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  • StarCraft 2 $500,000 Tournament - Serral vs Maru - IEM Katowice SC2 2024 GRAND FINALS - Terran vs Zerg - Maru takes on Serral in a legendary series to determine the greatest StarCraft 2 player of all time.
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Komentáře • 713

  • @Mokinono45
    @Mokinono45 Před 3 měsíci +693

    This is my superbowl!

    • @djryken
      @djryken Před 3 měsíci +10

      Omg yes was thinking same thing, this is my sport!

    • @MrJohnBBQ
      @MrJohnBBQ Před 3 měsíci +6

      That’s exactly what I was doing today during the sportsball. 😂

    • @billywilly1035
      @billywilly1035 Před 3 měsíci

      Same 😂

    • @tank5183
      @tank5183 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Same well said :)

    • @user-ln9dh2bq8j
      @user-ln9dh2bq8j Před 3 měsíci +6

      Ah, yes. The superb owl, celebrated on the lunar New Year.

  • @JackSparrow-gn1zn
    @JackSparrow-gn1zn Před 3 měsíci +283

    Dark's the only one who managed to take a map from Serral this whole tournament.

    • @SlayuhM
      @SlayuhM Před 3 měsíci +6

      Ayyy, next time put SPOILER ALERT.

    • @taoon8327
      @taoon8327 Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Dark makes miracles happen with nothing but a Roach/Rav maxout and a dream

  • @JSs586
    @JSs586 Před 3 měsíci +19

    36:29 Maru's triple scan at his own doorstep is really the PTSD from the last fight where one Infestor landed fungal on 7-8 ghosts and wiped them out

  • @broome090
    @broome090 Před 3 měsíci +188

    That tap out in game two, even as a Zerg main and a Serral fan boy, actually made me sad irl for Maru. Both of these players are legendary.

    • @tranquochung1995
      @tranquochung1995 Před 3 měsíci +18

      Mee too, Maru fought so hard

    • @Jaguar-lr7jq
      @Jaguar-lr7jq Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@tranquochung1995but still got 4-0ed 😢

    • @Numenorean921
      @Numenorean921 Před 3 měsíci +25

      Game 2 broke him, you can tell maru was full on tilted after that

    • @broome090
      @broome090 Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@Jaguar-lr7jq I think Dark was the only one in the whole tournament to win a map against Serral.

    • @bottlewishez7889
      @bottlewishez7889 Před 3 měsíci +10

      I found it so funny when Maru laughed to himself after Serral landed one of his unending Fungals in Game 2.

  • @YuNherd
    @YuNherd Před 3 měsíci +115

    winter also winnin like the grand finals with that 200k subs, congrats.

  • @drGokhan_Oz
    @drGokhan_Oz Před 3 měsíci +73

    11:24 “And he is making his spire great again” 😂

  • @marcelbenner993
    @marcelbenner993 Před 3 měsíci +28

    0:55
    On this GOAT debate:
    - There is a player who achieved the Triple Crown twice, which only 2 other players achieved.
    - There is a player who has the highest win rate vs Korean players in 5 years out of 13 StarCraft2 years (2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023).
    - There is a player who won the world championship twice (most wins among two others)
    - There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against at least Top 100 players (47 consecutive wins)
    - There is a player who holds the longest winning streak against top Koreans (19 consecutive wins; 2nd place the same player with 18 consecutive wins)
    - There is a player who achieved an over 90% match win rate in a year (2023) overall - which no one else ever achieved
    - There is a player who achieved an over 73% (73,24%) game win rate in a year (2023) vs Koreans
    - which no one else ever achieved (closest is Serral with 69,86% in 2018 and Maru’s 69,44% also in 2023).
    - There is a player who achieved an over 85% (!!!!) match win rate in three years (2018, 2020, 2023) vs Koreans. The next best other player being Maru with 78% in 2023 and herO with 74% in 2017.
    - There is a player who has by far the most Premier Tournaments wins with top Korean Participation (16) and overall (25)
    - There is a player who has NO negative win rate vs ANY pro player since his first Premier Tournament win in 2015 which he played on a regular basis (at least 10 games) - which no one else ever achieved
    Here are these player’s records against these top Koreans (wins:Korean player wins: draws):
    vs Maru: 13:4:2
    vs Dark: 8:5:1
    vs GuMiho: 10:4:0
    vs Solar: 16:7:1
    vs Cure: 17:3:0
    vs ByuN: 12:5:0
    vs Classic: 8:2:0
    vs Bunny: 9:2:0
    vs stats: 9:4:0
    vs soO: 8:4:0
    vs Innovation: 16:8:0
    vs Rogue: 8:7:0
    vs Trap: 14:3:0
    vs Zest: 10:5:0
    And here the records vs some top world players :
    vs Reynor: 31:16:0
    vs MaxPax: 18:4:0
    vs Heromarine: 26:4:0
    That player has been so dominant since his rise to the top in 2018 in Seoul that he won more tournaments - with participation of the best Koreans in the world - in 6 years of playing StarCraft 2 than all players who have been present among the top players for much longer.
    That player is Serral. I have no idea how anyone can deny that Serral is the GOAT of StarCraft 2. Not one player comes even close to such a dominance over such a long period of time while at the same time amassing more important trophies in less time than anyone else.
    Serral's win rate vs his weakest matchup (Zerg) is higher than most pro's overall win rates.
    To anyone arguing flash = SC2 GOAT: Flash never had win rates that even come close to Serral's and had lower win rates than Innovation at time. He also was only present in SC2 for around 2 years. He definitely is the SC GOAT though.
    To anyone arguing Innovation/Maru: These two both failed to show up on the really big stages. Maru only ever got a 2nd place at Worlds with his 2023 defeat against Oliveira. He didn’t do what sOs, ROgue or Serral did: Go to a big stage, where the best of the world compete and win.
    The same is true for Innovation. Both Maru and him falter when competition from outside of Korea is present/when the big stage calls. Also both have lower win rates vs the top players and less achievements.
    To anyone arguing sOs: sOs, who is a 2 time world champion, only has 5 premier tournament wins. If you consider Rogue and Serral, who also are in the debate, sOs falls short. The same holds true as for Innovation and Maru. Less achievements, less dominance.
    Rogue has won 11 premier tournaments from 2017 to 2022. He, as well as Serral, won 2 Worlds.
    Now let’s bring Serral into the equation. Out of his 25 premier tournament wins which span from 2018 to 2023, 16 are with top Korean participation, Serral won 2 World Championships. Him and Rogue in my opinion are the only two players who are consistent and showed up when the best of the world are present. They have achieved similar high end feats.
    BUT: Serral has way more Premier Tournament wins (with top Korean participation and yet even more without) and was more dominant in his win rates and records versus other Korean players.
    To people arguing that Serral never won a GSL. So what? He played the best of the best from GSL and defeated them time and again (see record vs these players and overall win rate vs Koreans above). Does anyone seriously believe Serral would not have won the GSL if he was born Korean? And at the same taking Premier titles away from players who now claim them? If anything, Serral's dominance would have been EVEN MORE apparent.
    Plus Serral even went to Korea twice and both times won the GSL vs Worlds where the best of the GSL participated.
    That argument sounds a little bit like this: Real Madrid (Serral) who defeated all Premier League teams (Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool etc.) in the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) is not better than Liverpool because it never played in the Premier League. The argument is absurd. The Premier League (Korea) sends its best teams (Maru, Dark, Rogue) to the Champions League (GSL vs World, World Championship, etc.) and these best teams get beaten by Madrid (Serral). No one in their right mind would argue that Madrid isn’t the best team in the world, simply because it didn't play versus Wolverhampton.
    Anyways, these are my thoughts.
    Share statistics, if you disagree.

    • @ashtonsmith9682
      @ashtonsmith9682 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Serral plays the cheater race. Thats why we deny it. Maru was winning back to back GSL when no terran was winning anything.

    • @marcelbenner993
      @marcelbenner993 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@ashtonsmith9682
      Anyone who claims Zerg is OP or imba based on Serral's performance has no idea what a statistical outlier is. In statistics, you always cut off results ,that are too far removed from the average or mean.
      For example: If you want to know the average temperature of objects in a kitchen with 50 objects in it and you can't measure all of them, you pick 10 at random.
      9 of them are between 20° and 22° C, and one is at 200° C. If you don't recognize that this one hot object is a stove, you'll get a completely wrong impression about the average temp in that room - you'd think that the room was on fire, when in fact it's not. So you cut out the outlier - the stove - to get a more accurate result.
      Serral is just that - the stove in the kitchen, and he's literally on fire. Every other Zerg is not that good and numbers show it. Balance is a question of averages. And you can't find the average, if you base your statistics on outliers. On average, Zerg wins less than Terran, and Protoss wins even less than that.
      Further: Look at 2023 Premier tournaments.
      Terran won 4 out of 10, Zerg - excluding Serral - 2, Serral won 4.
      There were 2 TvT finals, no ZvZ. And if Serral wasn’t there, Clem would have slapped every other Zerg in Katowice and we’d have yet another TvT final. Again: Statistical outlier. He simply makes Zerg look that way and no one else can. Hence, if you remove Serral from the equation, Zerg’s win rates drop insanely.

    • @firestarter000001
      @firestarter000001 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I agree in general. The whole "Serral hasnt won any GSL" argument is silly, like you said, he has won many tournaments where all top Koreans participited. One thing about this whole Goat debate: i think its very relative. Each of this players was in a timeframe, when there was different opposition, different level of play.. Each of players like Maru, Rogue, even Neeb, was legendary.

    • @firestarter000001
      @firestarter000001 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@ashtonsmith9682 I would agree if Serral would only be wining during the winFestor and ggLords era. But its simply untrue. Regardless of balance, Serral is the GOAT. And for me Terrans are more imba hten Zerg atm:)

    • @ashtonsmith9682
      @ashtonsmith9682 Před 3 měsíci

      @@marcelbenner993 Other zerg players are also playing well tho? Reynor and dark are no slouches. Dark is an even more unique outlier according to your stats. He plays Zerg completely wrong like a gold league player and still puts up good results consistently beating the best terrans and tosses.

  • @aussteigen
    @aussteigen Před 3 měsíci +81

    Serral looked untouchable. Just Dark took 1 map

    • @SoulWhite
      @SoulWhite Před 3 měsíci +7

      Serral is like, "I guess I could use a new car, I'll take the money this time." lol.

  • @evelic
    @evelic Před 3 měsíci +45

    Serrals performance is beyond anything anyone has achieved in this game; truly the GOAT.

  • @redwings13400
    @redwings13400 Před 3 měsíci +24

    I was exhausted after game 2, so I can only imagine how Maru felt after that. Serral just looked unbeatable here. His infestor play seems to have only gotten better over time, they're like sharks, always waiting to strike.

    • @growtocycle6992
      @growtocycle6992 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Serral can get over run with hyper aggressive early plays, but Mari doesn't really do that except proxies...

    • @Joh00226
      @Joh00226 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Also called cheese

    • @gabriel.hongkong
      @gabriel.hongkong Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@growtocycle6992 Even with the hyper aggressive early game, it's difficult to fully break Serral.

    • @RCG3.
      @RCG3. Před 2 měsíci

      Well that's probably why they now nerfed infestors lol easier to see burrowed and they can't see as far burrowed

  • @ClearAlera
    @ClearAlera Před 3 měsíci +71

    Winter- grats on your best year yet. You've put in a lot of effort for a long time and your sub count is no mistake. Love the humor, soundboards, memes, and queen impersonations, and game knowledge you've built up over the years. You're one of my two favorite solo casters (alongside Harstem). Just curious - is it possible you'd ever co-cast with someone else during big live events?

    • @WinterStarcraft
      @WinterStarcraft  Před 3 měsíci +33

      It would be cool to cast live at events occasionally, but it is a ton of work on all sides of the camera.There are already plenty of great casters experienced with live events & production - I try to bring something a bit more business casual here on youtube

    • @ClearAlera
      @ClearAlera Před 3 měsíci +6

      @@WinterStarcraft Understandable! Someone would have to pay the travel fees for Jimmy too, adding further complication. I will continue to enjoy your videos on CZcams then :)

    • @OmicronAwesome
      @OmicronAwesome Před 3 měsíci

      @@WinterStarcraft I prefer it this way. Just your genuine reactions and not trying to meet anyone's expectations. Keep it up!

    • @XabiBello
      @XabiBello Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@WinterStarcraft You did great in Atlanta! This IEM I enjoyed the C-stream with Harstem and Lambo more than the A or B streams, feels less rigid, more casual as you say.

    • @SipuliSiili
      @SipuliSiili Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@WinterStarcraft I prefer your casts over the official ones. You dont over do it with yelling and your humour is 5/5. 😊

  • @iSmoker57
    @iSmoker57 Před 3 měsíci +64

    Now this is my kind of SuperBowl.

  • @weemz
    @weemz Před 3 měsíci +11

    Congrats on 200k! I remember about 10 years ago, watching your stream and asking in chat what you like to do outside of SC2. You got kind of annoyed and said "your mom" and then talked about how it was a stupid question. Been a fan ever since :D

  • @jason1238
    @jason1238 Před 3 měsíci +20

    Very Entertaining. I love the Granny Queen voices when their moments come up. Flipping funny.

  • @caleroification
    @caleroification Před 3 měsíci +40

    CONGRATS ON 200K SUBS!!!

  • @xidjazulix
    @xidjazulix Před 3 měsíci +8

    "taking our good blue mineral jobs" rofl that was way funnier than it should have been

  • @BoxCox
    @BoxCox Před 3 měsíci +12

    I'll go ahead and say it. This was definitely the IEM Katowice of the year.

  • @AsslessDaMenace
    @AsslessDaMenace Před 3 měsíci +33

    Those infestors in game 2 were insane. Great cast Winter!

    • @calmsouls4502
      @calmsouls4502 Před 3 měsíci

      He probably should've nerfed himself cuz now they're gonna nerf infestor x.x

  • @Drong13
    @Drong13 Před 3 měsíci +13

    Watched it online but still wanted to see your commentary! Gratz to 200k, keep it up

  • @2nerC9
    @2nerC9 Před 3 měsíci +6

    Game 2 was the most fun match I have watched in a while. Wished Maru won that one that would've been epic.

  • @mood-pp4bd
    @mood-pp4bd Před 3 měsíci +6

    35:16 excellent 'The Expanse' reference

  • @B1gLupu
    @B1gLupu Před 3 měsíci +27

    Reynor and Rotti were talking at the desk that Serral never forgets a game. No matter how small, he remembers every detail of every game he sees.
    Truly an unfair advantage.

    • @2nerC9
      @2nerC9 Před 3 měsíci +15

      He is like Magnus Carlsen

    • @cousinpatsey2471
      @cousinpatsey2471 Před 3 měsíci +4

      I remembered them saying that when Maru did the same strategy on map 4 that he used vs Reynor. And Serral ended up holding a lot cleaner because of it.

    • @keylanoslokj1806
      @keylanoslokj1806 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@2nerC9high functioning autism

    • @ZCasavant
      @ZCasavant Před 3 měsíci +1

      He remembers every important game, and every good player. Chess masters do the same thing. But assuming he remembers them all is ridiculous. Serral has probably played fifty thousand games in his career, maybe more.

    • @mistervanderveer
      @mistervanderveer Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@2nerC9 Good comparison, he truly is the Magnus of Starcraft. Just an absolute beast.

  • @bigrayy
    @bigrayy Před 3 měsíci +3

    One hour into the match when you made your thanks to the viewers, it hit different this time! Thank YOU man, you deserve it. Constantly deliver, funny, informative. Been watching you for years. Stay on it man! Congrats on 200k!!!❤

  • @GrippeeTV
    @GrippeeTV Před 3 měsíci +1

    After this tournament I really think it’s undisputed - Serral is the greatest of all time. Dark was the only player who took a single map win from him the entire tournament. The dude is just on another level.

  • @TheFabel1337
    @TheFabel1337 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I have enjoyed it BIG TIME. So thank you for your extra focus on YT. I just hope you feel its worth it, and that you keep it up. Love your puns, your speedy and very insightful commentating. Honestly you are the reason I watch SC2.

  • @Joyexer
    @Joyexer Před 3 měsíci +7

    The 2nd map was absolutely insane... Brilliant series!

  • @miscellaneousmanta3288
    @miscellaneousmanta3288 Před 3 měsíci +29

    I already know this game is going to be a banger 🎉

  • @MoonlitGamer
    @MoonlitGamer Před 3 měsíci +6

    What an amazing match. I have to sound stilted to not spoil it but this was worth watching the whole way through. Thanks for commentating this match.

  • @slavengineering8344
    @slavengineering8344 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Spoilers:
    Game 2 was a banger, but you could see it broke Maru mentally. I'm surprised how long it took Serral to break him though.
    Game 1 felt relentless from Serral, like a snake strangling its victim. The oppressive presence of creep everywhere was so impressive to watch. It was all well under control tbh.
    Game 3 I liked the "just go and fucking kill him" energy, especially after the drawn out game full of Maru's suffering.
    Im surprised Maru didn't go for his trademark tilt proxy 2rax, especially after game 2.
    Game 4 was like straight out of hero's nightmares - endless zergling runbys everywhere

    • @mrherrada797
      @mrherrada797 Před 3 měsíci

      your game1 description was poetic af

    • @Krasses
      @Krasses Před 3 měsíci +2

      I suppose Serral would be more energetic each game when 150k is dangling in front of his eyes.

    • @2639theboss
      @2639theboss Před 3 měsíci +8

      Game 2 was basically proof that Terran needs to be nerfed. Serral outplayed him the entire game, was literally trading even for the vast majority of it while completely controlling the map, he was controlling five or six burrowed infesters and three armies separately but he literally just couldnt win because pushing into mass ghosts is impossible.

    • @hunterghost1494
      @hunterghost1494 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@2639theboss Maru played incredible that game, a more resource efficent terran (10k difference is common in late game) is the way that matchup was designed, Zerg always should be up one base or more. Serral destroyed Maru in every other game without a problem. Yes Serral is near perfect but in game two Maru was too, that was the reason it was such a close game. In the other Maru was not near perfect and that was enough to make it a onesided serie. Take Serral out of the equation and i think TvZ is pretty good balance wise for the Pro level. Lower level is another thing, but to balance a game for al level equaly is most likely impossible. The only race that is underpowered/ not stable enough in Pro level is Protoss.

    • @Mglunafh
      @Mglunafh Před 3 měsíci +1

      In the game 1 Serral screwed up Maru's plans right from the start and then was asserting dominance with the overlord'n'queens creep-spreading trio

  • @retnuHDJ
    @retnuHDJ Před 3 měsíci +3

    I haven't touched Starcraft 2 in years, but I still tune in to watch it on your channel :)

  • @scottmills4164
    @scottmills4164 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Well i have a lot to say. First off, great cast. Congratulations on 200k subscribers. I would love to see a celebration with Harstem and Lowko joining you for a cast. But i want them to bring soundboards and some of the silliness you provide. Sounds fun to me. Lol.
    I was super happy to see Maru make the finals. I think maybe he did beyter against Serral than Clem? What does everyone think? That second match was crazy! Longer than some movies I've seen.
    So what's left for Serral. Continuous dominance. What else can he achieve? How about a title with Protoss! Prove you are the greatest!

  • @mihairo83
    @mihairo83 Před 3 měsíci +8

    The GOAT. The debate is over.
    Thank you Winter for making our days a bit better.
    Sincere congratulations for reaching 200k subscribers!
    I hope we see you reach 300k next year.

  • @Crossovahh
    @Crossovahh Před 3 měsíci +8

    The greatest halluc of all time was when we all thought there was a 3rd race in Starcraft, you wouldn't know it from watching premiere tournaments, but there's actually a race called Protoss that also has pro players. Little known fact.

    • @quentinspinks2606
      @quentinspinks2606 Před 3 měsíci +6

      Is that the robot race that always loses? I always wonder why people pick that option. Seems financially irresponsible in a tournament with money on the line.

  • @shyndashu
    @shyndashu Před 2 měsíci

    Man I used to be a rank 1 Masters Zerg player. I didnt realize prize pools were still pretty big. I wouldn't be able to hang today, but it's fun seeing a championship game again.

  • @madatarchives8725
    @madatarchives8725 Před 3 měsíci

    Been watching you for years man really glad you are sticking with it Starcraft is just nostalgic.

  • @sharpie11112
    @sharpie11112 Před 3 měsíci

    I just started watching right when you began in 2023, and I was hooked right away! Always makes my day better - thank you Winter and well deserved 200k!

  • @stormconstantine2391
    @stormconstantine2391 Před 3 měsíci +7

    Winter, it was a pleasure watching this with your commentary. I watch alot of starcraft and I appreciate you the most. You combine great humor and wit with your high level of intelligence for the game. I am an aspiring Platinum player always trying to get better. You need to be casting these events and I hope that you will not be overlooked for long. Keep up the great work.

    • @henkhenkste6076
      @henkhenkste6076 Před 3 měsíci

      you need to work on your sense of humor and definition of intelligence...

    • @growtocycle6992
      @growtocycle6992 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@henkhenkste6076 if you don't like the way winter streams (humour, commentary, etc), then why watch?
      Don't criticise the person. Give a reason for your criticism

  • @mikecicciari845
    @mikecicciari845 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Serral makes zerg look so cinematic, it feels like how the zerg would actually operate

  • @djryken
    @djryken Před 3 měsíci +11

    Winter thank you for the real super bowl of the year, you're awesome as always!

    • @ZCasavant
      @ZCasavant Před 3 měsíci

      I forgot the actual super bowl was happening. Lol!!

  • @asdfasdf-mn8iu
    @asdfasdf-mn8iu Před 3 měsíci +3

    A few thoughts:
    Serral saying that he's just playing standard makes sense, because serral never had some weird quirks or certain styles, like scarlett was long-time known for extreme creepspread and aggressive plays, maru is known for micro and defensive plays, reynor is known for insane APM and also aggressiveness, showtime is being known for not dying. Serral is just known for being the best in about every aspect of the game, not at the very top of the line, but overall score being so far ahead of everyone else that he feels like being in a completely own league. The scouting, the unit splittin, the tiny details with individual unit control and almost never giving in to the F2 under stress is most characteristic for serral i feel. Preserving 3-4 lurkers by getting up a nydus when they're cornered, using nydus to transfer units in between bases, aggressively mining, pulling back in time is just so well done by him. The queen creeping is just a good thing to do if you can spare the APM :D
    In game 2, it's somewhat sad for maru how the game ended there, but on the other hand serral outplayed him so hard that game that it would've felt quite undeserved imo if maru won that.
    Game 4: With that earlygame, maru pulled ahead by so much and it doesn't feel like serral did any mistakes there, it feels like zerg just can't do very much if they didn't build roaches at that point. Serral coming back like he did then is all the more impressive, especially considering how basic maru's mistakes were there. Leaving 2-3 hellbats or even a bunker in each outer base would've completely denied those cheap runbys for serral.. But then again, maru seemed to be pretty worn out psychologically in these games.

  • @cbrana4649
    @cbrana4649 Před 3 měsíci

    Love your hearing your love for the game and its players. I never get tired of your anecdote about Serral’s “pretty standard business.”

  • @axelmolina1031
    @axelmolina1031 Před 3 měsíci +5

    @winterstarcraft this is the perfect definition of king of battles fight..

  • @tilmanvogel2387
    @tilmanvogel2387 Před 3 měsíci

    200k special: do classic stuff! Angry coaching, bunker train across the map, contest about best bronze legue heroes game over the years... much love

  • @louisdrouard9211
    @louisdrouard9211 Před 3 měsíci +8

    Love to see Terran complaining about Zerg while they have been dominating tournament and WR for the past X years. At least Protoss have a valid point

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Před 3 měsíci

      What? Protoss has had the strongest win-rate for months at pro level. Did you not check the official Balance Report on aligulac before you typed that garbage? 😂

  • @RodovalPTY
    @RodovalPTY Před 3 měsíci +1

    I haven't play SC2 in like 6 years but I'm always down to watch top matches like this.

  • @TheJohtaja
    @TheJohtaja Před 3 měsíci +6

    18:55 Adding to the map notes, however, that Radhuset is a zerg map, in as much as it's one of Serral's picks in the match (and e.g. like Hecate was Maru's).

    • @pixielilla7369
      @pixielilla7369 Před 3 měsíci

      I don’t really get why Radhuset is a Zerg map… At the time of writing, according to liquidpedia, TvZ is 50.8% Terran winrate on Radhuset…
      In PvZ it may be Zerg favored, but in TvZ it’s about equal if not Terran favored. I think Winter is more accurate saying it’s late game favored which for most Terran is an advantage to Terran but to the likes of Serral and Dark that makes it better for them.

    • @genesises
      @genesises Před 3 měsíci

      @@pixielilla7369because serral said it is! (also its very open with many entrances to your bases) and afaik it was maru's pick (i think they said this in the tournament cast).

    • @TheJohtaja
      @TheJohtaja Před 3 měsíci

      @@genesises In the tournament cast they specifically said Radhuset was Serral's pick. Hecate was Maru's. That's how the series' picks started out.

  • @gamingbtc
    @gamingbtc Před 3 měsíci +4

    thank you for the 1440p! Getting tired of the 1080p uploads for SC2 from everyone on youtube...in 2024 :D

  • @Rooki3_
    @Rooki3_ Před 3 měsíci +19

    Serral is a genius, he loses tournaments to win the big cash ones so Zerg doesn’t get nerfed.

    • @hunterghost1494
      @hunterghost1494 Před 3 měsíci +8

      LOL, he won 4 out of 7 Premiere tournaments and about 50% of major ones He was in, in 2023. He mostly lost to the later winners of the tournaments or zergs, which is his worst matchup (still better then everybody else but still). I don't think He looses on purpose otherwise He would not have such a ridiculous winrate of tournaments. He is just near perfect pretty much all the time. Not Zerg is OP but Serral.

    • @serral1632
      @serral1632 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Yeah

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 Před 3 měsíci

      Lol, balance is calculated from hundreds of tournament games, makes zero difference if Serral loses a few. Zerg is the weakest race at pro level for the last 5 months, so expect a buff that affects PvZ next patch if the trend continues.

    • @hunterghost1494
      @hunterghost1494 Před 3 měsíci

      @@hivetech4903 is that Ironie or did you mean protoss needs a buff, because except for Serral, TvZ is pretty balanced and the only race that is struggling is protoss, both in PvZ and PvT.

    • @cavemantero
      @cavemantero Před 3 měsíci

      @@hunterghost1494 TvZ isn't really balanced...to play TvZ at that level your arm has to fall off after the tourney's like Clem's did and that was only dropping 2 games...one each to Serral and Dark. Its goddamned insane that they haven't deleted the baneling yet.

  • @slarcraft
    @slarcraft Před 3 měsíci

    wow 200k subs. I'm happy for starcraft, RTS and winter :)

  • @garryarganis5801
    @garryarganis5801 Před 3 měsíci +24

    people kept saying "we want a serral vs maru finals where both give their 100%" well, i finally came to the logical conclusion of if serral is playing at 100% he wont let you play at 100%. maru is great, but serral is just on a whole next level when he is playing at max capacity.

    • @Mentox2
      @Mentox2 Před 3 měsíci

      To be fair, Game 2 was really close, I could see Serral losing that game.

    • @RyanMoreau
      @RyanMoreau Před 3 měsíci +5

      @@Mentox2 Its just because Zerg is overpowered

    • @thertcll
      @thertcll Před 3 měsíci +9

      ​@@RyanMoreaunothing to do with the fact serral's win rate is over 90% and the next closest Zerg, Dark, is 65%. Right?

    • @enriquegarciacota3914
      @enriquegarciacota3914 Před 3 měsíci +8

      @@RyanMoreaucopium is overpowered

    • @loth4015
      @loth4015 Před 3 měsíci

      @@thertcll No Zerg is overpowered! Unbelievable

  • @youtheneyes
    @youtheneyes Před 3 měsíci +1

    HOLY SHIT Congrats on 200k Subs!!!!!!!!! What a game to cast!

  • @keromblum
    @keromblum Před 3 měsíci +1

    I was here for this SerralBowl. Congrats on 200K Winter!

  • @niel017
    @niel017 Před 3 měsíci +5

    Serral the GOAT

  • @SirChristian100
    @SirChristian100 Před 3 měsíci

    I really enjoy your casting on games. I only watch you right now, I have something to smile in every single one of your videos

  • @bottlewishez7889
    @bottlewishez7889 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Absolutely incredible. Serral's performance here, not losing a map to Maru, or Clem was almost as stunning as Olievera's win last year. #GOAT
    P. S. The meme of Dark crowning Dark as #1 had me cracking up. 😂😂😂
    P. S. S. Congratulations on 220K. I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.

  • @roncho
    @roncho Před 3 měsíci +4

    Serral is.the magnus carlsen of sc2

  • @luckyrelic
    @luckyrelic Před 3 měsíci +3

    i like this line "Serral is inevitable" 😂
    simply quite befitting whenever you play against Serral

    • @Aiphiae
      @Aiphiae Před 3 měsíci +1

      Meh, Zerg OP.

    • @luckyrelic
      @luckyrelic Před 3 měsíci

      @@Aiphiae lol.. cry moar...

    • @Aiphiae
      @Aiphiae Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@luckyrelic Even if you take Serral's wins out of the equation, Zergs have won more tournaments than any other race by a fairly significant margin.
      Zerg has been OP at the pro level for a while now. The fact that you deny it is laughable.

    • @OzixiThrill
      @OzixiThrill Před měsícem +1

      @@Aiphiae Come now. After it took three years of total domination to nerf Winfestors 8 years into the game, do you seriously expect people to have the capacity to notice Zerg being busted?

  • @Backflipmarine
    @Backflipmarine Před 3 měsíci

    gratz on 200k subs! been watching off and on since the early days :) would be cool to cast 2v2s 3v3s or 4v4s for 200k special with korea pros and best of other regions

  • @kudohlol9379
    @kudohlol9379 Před 3 měsíci

    Unreal, thanks for the cast, you are my favorite caster, watch almost all your videos, and always leave a like, should probably give my prime to you 100%.

  • @marinav3905
    @marinav3905 Před 3 měsíci

    Every day with WinterStarcraft is better!! Thank you for all the wonderful content and congrats on 200k!

  • @liamrickards8178
    @liamrickards8178 Před 3 měsíci

    "You know what they say. That which doesn't kill you leaves you with a massive repair bill and a lot of emotional trauma." Best line ever!!

  • @1bentom1
    @1bentom1 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Excellent commentary as always!

  • @faridmk3707
    @faridmk3707 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Serral is the GOAT. Highest MMR in history of SC2, most wins, and he did it as a zerg too.

    • @jacobreichert836
      @jacobreichert836 Před 3 měsíci +1

      which is by far the strongest race in pro play for...years?

    • @faridmk3707
      @faridmk3707 Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@jacobreichert836 Maru's 7 championship wins present a strong argument for terran being the ultimate race. Until Serral did what he did this game.

  • @1step2many35
    @1step2many35 Před 3 měsíci +7

    gg on the 200k subs

  • @therealsabin
    @therealsabin Před 3 měsíci

    Congrats on the 200k subs and a big thanks to serral and maru for helping year long by providing incredible games to fuel your channel!

  • @MrFirefox322
    @MrFirefox322 Před 3 měsíci +2

    highkey i would buy a textbook on each of the aces written by the leading players of each that would be sick af

  • @ablade2382
    @ablade2382 Před 3 měsíci +92

    Zerg isn't OP. Serral is just an absolute anomaly. I'll put money on the line that he could win with any race. Best player in SC2 history by a mile. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention.
    That said, please give our Protoss players some love. I don't even play Toss and I can see that there is something wrong at the highest level.

    • @andrewferguson6901
      @andrewferguson6901 Před 3 měsíci

      I wanna see serral learn terran from TY

    • @bp6421
      @bp6421 Před 3 měsíci +4

      To be fair they balance the game based on the top. Terrans took nerfs many times because 2-3 guys could micro reapers and units so well that the entire race paid the price

    • @ashtonsmith9682
      @ashtonsmith9682 Před 3 měsíci +15

      Serral isn’t an anomaly. Rogue already did what Serral is doing way before Serral was relevant. Zerg just has more tools than every other race. Best scouting. Immunity to timing attacks. Best spell casters. Best eco. Being able to easily macro without risk of dying is the biggest advantage Zerg has.

    • @user-wt9yz7ss5j
      @user-wt9yz7ss5j Před 3 měsíci +23

      ​@@ashtonsmith9682😂😂😂 wake up you ur sleeping

    • @OSU2010
      @OSU2010 Před 3 měsíci +7

      @@user-wt9yz7ss5jyour delusional that race is OP

  • @schach6666
    @schach6666 Před 3 měsíci

    The match reminds me of the world final Serral vs Stats. Even before the games had started, Serral knew it is his series to loose and Stats looked defeated.

  • @kudohlol9379
    @kudohlol9379 Před 3 měsíci

    Serral is definitely a god tier level player, hes one of those guys that when the times are hard for a race shows you, there is always a way, you just have to up your level of play, and use the maps advantages to yo ur advantage, like that big map actually makes sense for hiding infestors, theres way more room to move them around and the terran wont spam scans everywhere from base to base.. so like it gives him advantages to hide them on the side and find moments of clumped units traveling over long distannces whigle he was waiting near by because of vision.
    man is like sun tzu art of war in sc2

  • @philipthomas6
    @philipthomas6 Před 3 měsíci

    Keep up the great work, Winter! Congrats on 200k subs!

  • @michaelpetersson8732
    @michaelpetersson8732 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Game number two was like using a metalldetector looking for coins on the beach 😆 When searching for those infestors😎

  • @OGuardadorDeRebanhos
    @OGuardadorDeRebanhos Před 3 měsíci

    Hey, about the thanks and all, I don't play sc2 anymore but I've played for a while and following you was enough to give me great moments and a plat 2 with the great roach hydra. So, thanks for you as well, I surely can recommend, it made my road easier and funnier. Cheers.

  • @Joyexer
    @Joyexer Před 3 měsíci

    Congrats to 200k my guy!

  • @kaslor8374
    @kaslor8374 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks Winter, was a great series and well casted. Much appreciation to you (and Jimmy) for always bringing us the most professional SC2

  • @williamking331
    @williamking331 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Fantastic games out from Maru and Serrel! Maru fought hard! GG!

  • @TheJo4an
    @TheJo4an Před 3 měsíci

    Incredible matches. Well deserved win.

  • @MrSuckeragi
    @MrSuckeragi Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome game, as a zerg in broodwar but never really got into SC2, these games are still fun to watch :) Serral is something else!

  • @MarceloVillarrealR
    @MarceloVillarrealR Před 3 měsíci +1

    I hope you're doing just fine sir, keep doing your thing. Much love, brother.

  • @h34v3n5du57
    @h34v3n5du57 Před měsícem

    Love you, Winter. Congrats on 200k subs. Keep it up

  • @Seisure33
    @Seisure33 Před 3 měsíci

    Hecate is a gorgeous map. seral looks so much better than before...he was already scary, but now...damn

  • @josherney9820
    @josherney9820 Před 3 měsíci

    Congrats on 200k, well deserved.

  • @thomasbishop3494
    @thomasbishop3494 Před 3 měsíci

    Man, that game one though. Terran on 4 bases, Zerg on 9. That's terrifying in any situation but against Serral... jeez. What could Maru even do? 90% of the map is covered in creep, zerg economy is massive, he's losing 20-odd workers every time zerg attacks him... Serral used Maru as a punching bag in that game.

  • @pudela
    @pudela Před 3 měsíci

    for the 200k its going to be cool if you do a podcast with Serrall, invite him over, talk it out, its gonna be cool. great games, one of the most brutal sweeps in finals I've seen honestly.

  • @stalinstylez4034
    @stalinstylez4034 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Well today was one of the shittiest days of my entire life and this video was the first thing that put me in a good mood today, it was so exciting! Thanks for the upload and the commentary, Mr. Winter you are a true friend haha and I love it when you talk as a Zerg queen 🤣🤣
    Btw I’m from Germany, my English is not so good and I have trouble understanding some English videos but your way of talking is so clean that I understand everything without using my brain 😅

    • @mistervanderveer
      @mistervanderveer Před 3 měsíci +1

      Wait, what? That first sentence makes no sense and how is it relevant to this video lol.
      Anyway, hope youre doing fine mate.

    • @stalinstylez4034
      @stalinstylez4034 Před 3 měsíci

      @@mistervanderveer It makes no sense either, it was just an explanation for why my day sucked and that the video distracted me from it. I could have made it shorter but whatever

  • @juancarlodelosreyes2383
    @juancarlodelosreyes2383 Před 3 měsíci

    Congratulations 🎊🎈🍾 200K subscribers!!!!

  • @Humanaut.
    @Humanaut. Před 3 měsíci +1

    How many times have all these players been "introduced" and re-re-reintroduced to us?

  • @Polter6eist
    @Polter6eist Před 3 měsíci

    The nerves of steel they had in game 2, to even consider a draw!?!

  • @spethcial
    @spethcial Před 3 měsíci

    Your content got me into SC2. Here's to another 200k.

  • @LucianDevine
    @LucianDevine Před 3 měsíci

    Game 2 ending, 100% agree that it was the vipers. He was willing to dig in his heels and fight to the bitter end, but in the face of abduct plus everything else, he would rather save his mental energy for the rest of the series.

  • @gushlergushler
    @gushlergushler Před 3 měsíci

    watched this live, the game on Radhuset Station had me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

  • @TheRealDeadRock
    @TheRealDeadRock Před 3 měsíci

    Super random, but when you quick maths the remaining minerals on the map at 53:00, you guestimate about 40k minerals left over, which iirc is exactly how much you get with the SC1 cheat code "show me the money".

  • @spicytunah8043
    @spicytunah8043 Před 3 měsíci +10

    Game 2 was a WILD ride.

  • @chrisa.4384
    @chrisa.4384 Před 3 měsíci

    Don't worry guys, Serral just made the world tournament of Starcraft against the best pro players a long campaign run. He's actually just playing by himself while others do their best to make the campaign interesting for him.

  • @dotathewot390
    @dotathewot390 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Sir winter, your prediction before you repost it, was came true❤, serral are the goat

  • @vortbio
    @vortbio Před 3 měsíci

    Congrats on 200k subs!

  • @Junkrat3325
    @Junkrat3325 Před 3 měsíci

    Watched live, but just as excited for your cast.

  • @alanevans5353
    @alanevans5353 Před 3 měsíci +1

    do a fan tournament for your 200K special, that would be pretty cool!

  • @squirecd
    @squirecd Před 3 měsíci

    Please cast Serral vs Dark from day 4 as well. That match was amazing

  • @josearmandogomezrocabado537
    @josearmandogomezrocabado537 Před 3 měsíci

    Dude Serral is just on point right now. Winter get practicing for rank roulette because this guy is at the zone.

    • @TheTck90
      @TheTck90 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Serral took a tactical 4th place in rank roulette so he can destroy everyone in the finals😁

  • @Alloran
    @Alloran Před 3 měsíci

    And, once again, Serral shows the world how zerg is played to maximum effect. He's just too good. Maru has now played a couple of series against the Overlord of Zerg and come away looking like he can't compete against him. And it's friggin Maru, he's an incredible player, but he can't get his legs under him in these matches.