Doge 10 vs Willsenton R8 vs Cayin CS55A tube integrated amp. How do I decide which one is for me?
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Matrix Mini Pro 3
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DIY LITZ speaker cables
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I will be gone temporarily for 3 to 5 months around Feb 2021 as I will be busy with a big project at work. I might still post some discussion videos but not review videos.
Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 DAC used in this sound demo
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DOGE doge.audio/product/doge-10-padc/
WILLSENTON R8 www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/willsenton-tube-amplifier-c-77
CAYIN CS55A en.cayin.cn/products_info?itemid=84
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@@vpreef It is in the description.
Good luck with your project, so back next November I hope.
thanks for your entertaining videos, good luck at work!
Hi Thomas, pls review the Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 DAC, thks
I never thought that watching someone talking about HIFI stuff is so entertaining. Well done Thomas 👍
Thomas, you having way too much fun, enough already! 😆😃😂
Thank you Thomas !
Thomas is truly the best reviewer. he takes the time to redo a video to put the 3 amps into perspective and describe them as best he can so that no one faces a bad purchase. That my friend is taking care of subscribers
Please don’t shut down you’re literally the best audio reviewer!
Thanks Thomas for the great overview on all these great tube amps..it will help many of us (that are getting interested in tube amps) to understand the attributes and different sonic flavours...much appreciated.
Wait what???? Please don’t shut the channel down!!🙏
Thanks for another great review that answers questions I'm sure a lot of people were wondering. I was in the market for a used tube integrated amp when your Cayin CS-55A review came out in September. Cayin was not a brand on my radar, but based on your review I decided to try this brand and found a used Cayin A-50T. I can say the A-50T has the qualities you described so well when talking about the CS-55A and I have enjoyed it quite a bit.
Well done Thomas! This is exactly the kind of videos viewers want to see.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I can tell by your detailed analysis of all three and the honesty that you bring to your reviews that you're not shilling any particular product. I don't always agree with you but I respect you.
I have no experience with the Cayin or the Doge but I bought the R8 last April and I am still absolutely smitten with it. Using it to drive a pair of Focal Chorus 807V stand mounts. It's an amazing combination. I've currently got Tung Sol EL34b power tube Tung Sol 6SN7 and northern electric 6SL7. Those Northern electrics made an enormous difference in just about every aspect. Thanks for the great review.
Thank you! this one solved all of my concerns. You rock, man!
All the best Thomas...For sure you truly have been a blessing.
Thomas, Thank you for this video - it has made the choice a lot clearer. I always look forward to your heartfelt reviews, and hope you continue. Regardless, best wishes for whatever you do next year!
Glad it was helpful!
Beautiful video Thomas! I love the fact that you are showcasing 3 tube amps! I'm a tube guy and this really makes me happy!!
Glad to hear it!
Doge 10 sounds perfect for me. Gonna give i a shot! Thanks, Thomas!
Thank you Thomas. This is just the type of video potential purchasers need to help decide which item to go for.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you again Thomas. I have an Audiolab 8300A Amp and my next stage of my journey might be heading into the tube area with one of these. Hope to see you around again
As always Mr Thomas, a superb and informative review. You do us all proud. Hope you hat to enjoy your large project but really look forward to your return!
Thanks!
i have not finished this, but it explains alot to me..THANKS MAN!
Very Good Video Thomas! I thoroughly enjoyed the comparison!
Thanks Thomas. Perhaps the most eloquent and “real life” high-end audio reviewer I’ve watched. Very relatable and fun to listen to! 🙌🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thomas, this is by far...your best video to date...! Reason why is u touch on a multitude of topics all INTERTWINED, INTERDEPENDANT on each other regarding integrated tube amps, that NEEDED to be discussed ...not only comparing these tube amps, but educating first time tube amp buyers, audiophiles and everyone in between:
You nailed discussion topics on: bloated bass vs fun bass, tube amps geared toward specific genres of music, playing music loud vs subtle sound, the controversial topic of fine tuning sound w cable swapping, simple electronic swap out parts that can change sound, sound fatigue, pairing speakers, tube rolling to fine tune sound or improve sound over stock tubes, value...not just in cost, but quality of tubes, DAC, phono stage built in vs adding those components, speaker db efficiency, there is no best anything....it is what YOU like for sound...in your music...short vs long listening periods, etc....
You level set everyone’s tube amp expectations, .....been using a Yaqin MC100-B for years...it is an a voltage enigma ....with Chinese mfg line using different voltage than USA...since I had an available Variac, I can find the sweet spot in voltage somewhere above 94 volts and dial in the sound I like, rolling tubes, swapping cables: power and interconnects....everything u describe about integrated tube amps I have lived thru, experimented with....Sir this video was excellent...well thought out, insightful presentation. Thank u!
Really great video, Thomas. It’s obvious your concern and willingness to help people and that’s appreciated. This video helps bring clarity, thanks. By the way it was ironic that as I’m watching this I got an email from Doge right toward the end of the video and the email is promoting Jay’s 2020 DAC award to the Doge 7 DAC. Ha ha.
Yes, I agree, “it is for me”. Please send as soon as you can so I can start listening!!
Above and beyond what we ever expected from a CZcams hi-fi reviewer! Thank you Thomas and Friends
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you Thomas.... I will trust only my ear and happy with my set up.
Thank you Thomas, I bought a Cayin tube amp after your presentation, Not just on your review though I took your advice and looked at other amps and speaker combinations gain as you recommended, and I have to say you were spot on for me. Love you commentary you are so easy to listen too so please... If you are going to stop for a while..... Don't make it too long, we will miss you
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Thank you, glad you are enjoying the Cayin.
HOLY COW!! He made an entire video for me!!
Just to show you,, that you never know.,,by the way I'm curious have you made up your mind ,which one to get ,, plus just keep in mind the cayin with the 6550 tubes coke bottles..!!! And even then there's a few different options and brands and pricing ,of those tubes..im thinking it must sound like 7up..perfection. 🤔
i thought it was for me
@@imagesbyjonevan3890 Nope. ME!
@@fishingbear69 I already have the Willsenton so it would be crazy for me to buy another amp. Even. though its really affordable and awesome and beautiful and sexy and alluring and crazy enticing.
@@trekjudas i was going to pull trigger on R8 until he mentioned to Doge 10,,now this video gives more clarity and wont have buyers remorse. Do you listen to vinyl? I just started and learning about TT and cartridges
Thanks ,for the great reviews Thomas!
I recently purchased A pair of Triangle Trio.
They are fantastic! And this review cemented by amp purchase.
R8 it is!
Yes.
Hifi is all about system, components pairing n matching to each person taste.
Cables, powercord, interconnects, speaker cables.
Footers.
And where you shift the footers under your equipment does affect the overall sound.
Having clean power supply improves sound.
Great video Thomas.
Always enjoy watching your videos.
Cheers.
Great review man your a true thinker examine nearly all scenarios.
I appreciate that!
Your reviews are super helpful in using language that addresses musical, not just technical trade offs. Thanks.
Any idea whether any of these - or none of them - would pair well with recapped KLH model 30 acoustic suspension speakers from around 1971?
I figured that for my taste the Cayin (EL34) and Trios were the way to go. Very satisfied. Thanks for the reviews.
I know this is through youtube and my speakers and what not so as always a BIG grain of salt to this.. but when listening in comparison the Cayin sounds almost too boring and glossed over to be high-end. Good sound to live with for long listening maybe but a bit boring. The Doge 10 is the one I think sounds the most high-end, very precise and tight and fast. Possibly a slightly elevated upper mid-range like you said but it's not a bad sound and I don't think it's bass lean at all. The R8 would come somewhere in between, not quite as high-end sounding as the Doge but more so than the Cayin. I agree completely about your comment about high-end sound and recording quality, when you get it right it's wonderful but there's a trade-off in terms of how versatile the system is and what music you can listen to. Of course this is through youtube and different source and speaker matching can change things completely. I can't judge these amps through youtube but I can better understand the differences you speak of, and it's actually surprising how big a difference there is between these three in sound.
Great clarifying review. 👍 Love your channel Thomas. Gonna miss you when you put less reviews out but priorities come first. I wish you could review two integrated amplifiers that also have built in streaming capabilities that sell for about the same price around $3000 in the U.S. The PS Audio Stellar Stratta vs the Arcam SA30 would be a great comparison especially since I am seriously considering buying one or the other 🤣 Always enjoy every one of your videos.
Another winner my friend. I'll never buy any of these, BUT, there's always an education to be had in your presentations. And yes, I play with speaker wire and consider it as sort of a tone control. It can turn out very good, or very bad.
Your comments are so insightful, Thomas, especially telling us to give full Specifications of the music system when we praise or criticize an amp (or a pair of speakers, etc.). BIG THANKS, man. PS: Please stay with us. Don't leave us just yet.
Thanks, I will be gone temporarily for 3 to 5 months as I will be busy with a big project at work. I might still post some discussion videos but not review videos.
Thank you for the triple evaluation and you are right everything matters , matching speakers,interconnects,
Speaker cable and of course money!!. This is the quest for any serious audio file to find
Your ultimate system
You bet
the punching metaphor was spot on
Excellent. Communicative. Balanced. Real.
Great summary Thomas! I really like that you brought up this system approach. Do you feel that the more expensive the system, the narrower the genre? Will there be a video on the type of tubes that were rolled on these amps?
excellent informative video, the amp's look godly!!
Best tube amp. In my opinion, of course. The Willsention R8! Why, I hear you ask? Well, of the three tube amps, the R8, apart from getting a different sound by simply listening in Triode or Ultralinear mode, it's also a tube rolling paradise. Try Sophia Electric tubes and you'll be in seventh heaven - their KT88 or EL34 blue glass cokebottle tubes depending on what flavour you want give a fabulous result. Don't ignore the preamp either. Sophia Electric, Shuguang and Psvane for the preamp section.
My current favourite configuration:
4 x Sophia Electric KT88-ST blue glass.
2 x Sophia Electric 6SN7 blue glass.
2 x Shuguang 6SL7-T blue glass.
1 x Psvane 6SN7 T series MkII for voltage filtering.
BTW, all the above tubes are cokebottle tubes.
Great recap of the R8 Rachael. I just received my R8 hasn’t set it up yet. Is there a way you position the 5 - 6SN7 tubes? Any other set up tips? What are you using for an input? And what speakers? Thank you
@@frankfleischman4003 - I've since found an even better combination of tubes which raise the sound level of the R8 to an entirely new level. The amp does not have 5 6SN7's. It has 3 x 6SN7 and 2 6SL7. Anyway, the sound of this combination as above is really good but the combination below is magnificent:
2 x NOS MELZ 6SL7 mil spec metal base - circa 1950's
3 x NOS Sylvania 6SN7GTA T-plate - circa early 1960's
4 x NOS Mullard EL34 xf2 series - circa 1960's
NOS mean New Old Stock. This is the combination that I have finally settled on as it gives the best of everything. In fact, the midrange is to die for. Good bass (not bloated, just the right amount) and a sweet, extended top end. You can purchase the tubes from valvesnmore.com. I have no affiliation with them, but Jim, the owner, has been of so much help to me, plus his after sales service is second to none. Whatever you do, do not buy the tubes off eBay!
Input:
Naim ND5 NX 2 streaming DAC - nice neutral sound with no real sound of its own.
Rega P6 turntable, Nagaoka MP500 cartridge, Schiit Mani pre-preamp, although I need to upgrade the Schiit.
Output:
Q Acoustics Concept 500 - extremely nice speaker.
@@tbear2327 that’s great info thank you. I’ll reach out to that shop and get some tubes can’t wait. Your setup sounds amazing. Enjoy and thank you again.
@@frankfleischman7285 - Honestly, even though I thought the R8 sounded really good with the stock tubes, I've compare it with the NOS tubes and it's like a completely new amp. Yes, the tubes make that much difference. In other words, it's not a subtle difference - it's a huge difference. I also own the Willsenton R800i (805 version) amp, also with custom tubes - tubes alone cost double the cost of the amp, and for me the R800i is my endgame amp. The R8, on the other hand, which I still listen to because it's in another listening room, is probably a 9 out of 10 when compared to my 10 out 10 R800i. In other words, I don't feel that I'm missing anything. Yes, it's a slightly different sound, but the R8 still sounds amazing. Btw, the Mullard EL34 xf2 tubes are not cheap, but they are worth every cent. In fact many have stated that the Mullards are the best sounding EL34's ever made, and after going through many KT88 and EL34 tubes I totally agree!
Happy listening...
@@tbear2327 I just sent a message to valvesnmore to discuss which tubes ans set
Up along w the tube lifters. I’m glad you’re happy w your R8 mine has been in the box for a week and haven’t even thought about setting up until I get tubes figured out. I saw EL34 MULLARD tubes xf2 on Amazon see below. What would these be like?
I want really good reliable tubes and trust what valvesnmore is doing. Probably answered my
Own question
Thank you again
Premium high-voltage power pentode. An extremely faithful reissue of the XF2 Mullard EL34 from the 1960’s.
Features & details
Faithful reissue of the XF2 Mullard EL34 from the 1960’s. Special grid windings which give it a unique sound for both guitar and HiFi
Perfect power tube for Dynaco ST-70 or vintage Marshalls, Hiwatt or other British Amps
Platinum quad (4 tubes), computer-matched by manufacturer on proprietary equipment
6CA7 equivalent
Awesome video. I am just starting out. I have a Peachtree Nova from 2010 with tube. I have a Tekton Lore coming in a month or so. What speaker cables might you recommend I can start with ? Thanks ! And Happy New Year !
Of all the reviewers, a few of which are just as useful to me as your reviews, is how you review. I call this reviewer poetry.
What a great review, I'm new to high end stuff and now I'm stuck here...
Hi Thomas this has to be one of your best video great info thank you.
I do find people tend to enjoy comparison videos.
Thanks for making the comparison. I am leaning towards Cayin and the R8 for my Triangle Gaia which has a horn loaded tweeter similar to the Trio. In your view are both these amps better than entry level PrimaLuna Evo100 or the prologue 1/Classic?
My endgame is looking like the R8 with Double Impacts
R8 in the house with the Unifi and vinyl spinning. Magic punchy bass and all the other things Thomas mentioned. 6 week wait was sooooo worth it. 😊
Congrats!
Great review explaining the differences bw the amps. I have a much better understanding of the differences. We will miss you. Good luck with work.
Refreshing to watch a hi-end reviewer with such consideration for his followers. It's a contrast with a very popular channel where comments were disable and constant sense of negativity a sarcasm is directed towards its followers.
Got to thank Thomas for a great comparison. I did find a sound difference in my R8 between KT88's and EL34's but the earlier stage tubes with tube rolling really do change the emphasis of the 'sound'. I love my R8 but you need at least 100 hours burn-in on NOS tubes before it gets to its 'best' sound. (I never gave much thought to burn in but it does make a discernible difference with tubes.) I'd also say it's fun (I listen to a wide range of genres) and its always enjoyable in long sessions. And with heavier rock I love I can hear and feel the bass drum vs bass guitar distinctly and that the bass has real physical presence. In fact the bass gets so strong I think you need speakers that can handle such a physical sound. Are their 'better' tube amps, undoubtedly yes, but its a fine allrounder for listening to all types of music. Like Thomas I have friends with high end systems and while its great to hear Christine McVie's breathing on Warm Ways coming out of a CD that level of detail can also be distracting! Peeling back the layers is fine but when they were mixed in the studio that wasn't the intent! Anyway, no buyers remorse here on getting an R8, but I'd like to hear the Cayin on my setup - that's the problem with being keen on HiFi you always want to hear systems, so I hope the Rocky Mountain Audiofest happens in 2021, I really missed it this year.
Nice, glad you are enjoying your R8. Yeah, I miss audioshows!
Very informative review Thomas: very much appreciated. This give me a new perspective on how to ‘assess’ these three amplifiers. I’m now even more curious how you would position the Cayin A88tmkII against the CS55A?
Thomas thanks for comparing the 3 .
What brand are the white sound diffuser on your wall?
You are a very nice man Thomas, you went the extras mile for some audiophiles for comparing the 3 tube amps... Way back before internet we used to go to the dealers to get their support for matching sound systems, we still can go if we have one close by...
I appreciate that!
Good amps ... I went with the PrimaLuna EVO 300 Integrated Tube amp. Very happy with it.
Of the 3 amps and sound clips played, the Doge 10 is the clear winner. The sound stage superiority is evident even through my crappy TV speakers. With good headphones, it becomes even more apparent. Saying that however, it would be the Willsenton R8 that I would purchase due to the upgrade possibilities through tube rolling, KT88/EL34 switching and UL/TR switching. The amp is crazy value for money and should be on anyone's wish list for amps at around £1000.
I HAVE high end Headphones, and the C sounded much more spacious than the others. (the clicks at the start of the track are not on the recording I guess().... the singer sounded like she was in a room. Doge made it a wall of sound.
Thanks Thomas! Hope you'll get thr chance to review the Decware zen amp :)
Hi Thomas. First of all thank you very much for your vídeos. I am from Spain and I follow every single video you do. Thanks to them, I have now a Willsenton R8 and I have to say I enjoy it a lot. If possible, could you recommend me tubes for the pre amp section please? Have a merry Christmas and a great 2021.
Any decent NOS will be fine but you will get a bit more clarity and brightness. So if you find your R8 already on the bright side, changing it might be too much of a good thing. Just change the 6SL7 first to NOS.
Thank you for this video Thomas, what are the tubes you think are good for the r8. You say that tube change in the front make a huge different
Thank you for your video too! It was really entertaining. For the R8, focus first on the 6SL7, it will change the sound dramtically. I will make a seperate video to show people what I tried. The danger however is they it can make the R8 sound too 'sharp' with the wrong 6SL7.
Hey Thomas I have a question. Since I just acquired an R8, what is your recommendation for front tubes? I was considering el34 for the back or 6550 to compare to the kt88's. Also is one brand of tube better than another with regard to the R8?
Hi Thomas, when you describe the bass of the R8 as almost muddy, is that with the PSVane CV181 or with the stock 6NS7? I have an r8 this will help me decide which direction to take it. Thanks.
I would have to listen to more material to decide between R8 and Doge, possibly the Doge would be my winner, the one I wouldn't go for is the Cayin Thanks again Thomas another great video
Hi Thomas, Thanks for producing all the great video content. I’m interested in Willsenton R8. I noticed that it has 4 ohm speaker outputs. I was wondering if you thought the amp would be able to drive a set of Thiel 2 2 for low level listening, approximately 50db. My living/listening room is 18’ x 13’ with some sound absorbing room treatment. I mostly listen to vocal/instrumental jazz and classical music. Any thoughts you might have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, dj
It is the 86db that worries me. You see out of the 3 speakers, the one that has distortion kicking in first is the R8 at louder volume. I understand you will be listening at low 50db volume but for me, it is not just a question of volume but does it feel effortless. Also, Jazz and classical music demands your amp to have good control in the bass region as well as instrument seperation. Although it did work ok, I don't know how demanding you are. The front tubes needs to be changed if you decide to go R8.
What tubes did you use for the front of the r8? I also experienced it in my r8, when sometimes it sounds muddy, Did it make a very big difference in sound quality when u replaced the frt tubes?
Which of the three would you recommend with the Zu Audio Dirty Weekend Mk II with Clarity Caps. Would use my NAD C368 as a preamp as well.
Nice to see you compare them, if they all use the same tubes.
Whit! You're shutting down?! Nooooo! You are my go to man for hifi advice on the Net Thomas. Life just won't be the same without your smiling face introducing me to the latest hifi bargain.
Will be for a few months, I might post discussion videos but just no review videos. 80% chance for now.
You will be missed! Your the best!
Great review, please expand regarding front tubes for the R8 and let us have your suggestions. Also if it helps keeping the channel open, I would like very much to keep watching your videos.
Hello Thomas I am still interested to hear about the front tubes for the R8, when you have a chance, thanks
@@vittoriomartinidonati65 to share my exp, I just upgraded to shuguang UK version tubes, only $120 for 3, it still changed the sound stage a LOT.
@@wisetank135 thanks very much, please advise exact model tubes and where to get them. Also any other suggestions regarding power tubes and speaker pairing would be great, if you can send me you tel number at vittorio@martinidonati.com , I would gladly call you to have a quick chat
@@wisetank135 Could you share the exact reference of the tubes? I am also interested.
@@wisetank135 Could you share the references of the tubes? I also own a R8. Thanks in advance!!
REALLY GOOD ANOLOGIES👍
Very interesting and valuable discussion. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
great review - would love to see your take on the Willsenton R-800i
I like all 3 amps, the vocal, the bass, and the elevated sond stage. If I can only pick one Cayin>Doge>Willsenton, thank you Thomas!
Try the R8 with Tung-Sol tubes front and back. 3 x 6SN7GTB, 2 x 6SL7GT Gold, 4 x EL34B. I also bought their 6550 (KT88 equivalent). Sound = MAGIC.
Using either the EL34B tubes or the 6550 tubes, bass is beautifully extended and clear (zero muddiness which is what Thomas reported using stock front tubes) with plenty of texture and tone. Midrange is where the real magic is though, although the top end is very well extended with plenty of air. Real holographic presentation.
Speakers used - Q Acoustic Concept 500.
Further to the Tung-Sol tubes, I've more recently tried the following:
4 x Sophia Electric KT88-ST blue glass cokebottle tubes.
2 x Sophia Electric 6SN7 blue glass tubes.
2 x Shuguang 6SL7-T blue glass tubes.
1 x Psvane 6SN7 T series MkII tube for power supply filtering, i.e., the centre front tube.
While I'll admit that the Tung-Sol was fabulous, the above combination is even better. Next, I'm going to try the EL34-ST blue glass tube, also from Sophia Electric, so watch this space. Yes, this combination is expensive, but for me, the Sophia Electric combination is so worth it. Still, if money is tight, the Tung-Sol is still a great option over the standard tubes.
Love willsenton R8 amazing sound
I own the PrimaLuna Evo 400 and a Cayin a100t and man I love the Cayin with Buchard S400, sounds amazing! ❤️❤️
I wonder how the a100T compares to the CS100.
@@ThomasAndStereo between them there is 100TMKII. Orjinal 100T is 2x50(triode) and 2x100w (UL), 10hz-65khz. MarkII is like CS100A can use El34 and Kt88 tubes. CS100A 2x50(triode),2x80(UL) 8hz-75khz 92db (+3db more than 100T), and CS100A is used silver internal wiring in the signal path.
Thomas. Wanted to thank you for your review of the Willsenton R8. I finally made the plunge and it arrived yesterday! 😀.
My system consisted of an Orbit special turntable (initially with Red Ortofon cart running thru a Schiit Loki and then into a Yamaha receiver VX730 and out to a pair of JBL 530 monitors.
My Yamaha receiver although rated plenty of watts simply could not drive the JBL’s very well. It required me to play the music louder then I can due to apartment living. If you don’t drive the JBLs which are 86db sensitivity and 6ohms a little hard they just don’t shine the way they are capable of.
So before my R8 arrived I switched the RED Ortofon to the Blue on my Orbit and all I can say is YES is makes a dramatic difference even with the Yamaha receiver I found the instruments to have much more separation, the bass was much more articulate and I would describe the overall characteristics for the cart as staccato. Quick and nimble and much more definition.
Fast Forward to the arrival of the R8!! First of all my communication with chinahifiaudio and Mr Lee was very good considering the language barrier and how busy I am sure that he is. My R8 arrived in only 2 days to the east coast once it was back in stock (7 days). So 9 business days total from order to delivery. Quite acceptable!
It was packaged extremely well. The R8 was double boxed and could not have been packed any better for the long trip from China. Everything arrived without a scratch!
Onto the sound....swapping out the Yamaha for the R8 immediately woke my JBL 530’s from the dead. Now able to listen at lower volumes the speakers have quite a bit of punch to them and combined with the Blue Ortofon it is far more spacious in soundstage.
I much prefer the more lively ultra linear mode because the speakers simply require the power. I have them connected to the 4ohm output of the amp and at 8:00 on the dial there is plenty of punch. 9:00 exceeds 89db so I think the amp is underrated at only 45w a channel?? 🤔
Do not be concerned with the bias process it literally took 3 mins tops to set it correctly using the meter in the front of the amp. I would make sure the switch on the back is set to the type of power tubes that you choose. I went with the KT88 for little more grunt and my amp came set at EL34. So make sure to check that!
I’m still learning it’s capabilities but over all I am very pleased. Sounded great out of the box with the LOKI turned off. I did find with certain LP’s that I could turn it on and do minor tweaks based on the recording so as most purists would say to avoid the extra component I personally like having the “glorified bass/treble” controls the Loki offers. They are very subtle and you can really dial in the sound of the R8 based on the recording.
I would highly recommend the R8 and am very happy I made this purchase. As budget was a concern overall I believe this is a lot of bang for the buck.
I will Followup with a more detailed review once the tubes have some time in them and I can do some Critical listening.
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Really appreciate it.
Think you. Very educational
Hey Thomas I hope you continue with your reviews, you mentioned changing out the front tubes on the R8, what would you recommend, I have been considering the R8 for some time but will give the Doge a serious look, the Cayin is a little out of the price range where I feel it would be that noticeable for me. Good luck to you..
There are always the right stereo components for everyone, depending on budget, type of listening room, what type of music do you enjoy, etc. There are so many good brands out there to deliver the sound you will enjoy whether it is from CDs. Vinyl records (LPs), even from receivers (FM) etc. Best go to a large showroom and ask the manager or salesperson for advise and what type of budget you have.You need to match carefully your player with your amplifier and definitely listen to as many speakers, and then choose which ones, You can get a wonderful system for US$1,000. and if you have a lot of money, there are many wonderful exotic high end brands that,again, you need to listen to. You should always be the judge.
LOVE the Doge 10 in this comparison! Sound is so BIG and Solid....the best overall for my ears. The Cayin sounded sweeter; a little leaner on the bottom and open on the top end. Willsenton sounded more congested with less soundstage clarity and instrument separation. All great! Pick your flavor!
Absolutely right, if anyone can buy Cayin / doge then they are best among. Can totally avoid the willsenton
Willsenton r8 is the best dependent on your speakers. All great
Thank you for doing this video Thomas. It presents these amps very well and asks the big question, what do you want? I am not sure I know that 100%. Also, you say every time it all depends on the other components in your system. I have a set of B&W DM640i speakers, 91 dB spl (2.83V 1m) and 46Hz - 20kHz ± 2dB. I wonder how these would pair with the Willsenton R8 or the Doge 10. I would really appreciate hearing from anyone that has similar speakers.
Thomas, you are my kind of dude. Not only could I listen to amazing hi-fi if I visit you, but I can also run some sets of Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition!
Haha, man I have spent so much time on SF2 and now I am getting my kids into it.
Hey bud, what would you recommend for a intergrated amp. I have pioneer sc-57 with cerwin vega XLS 215
Nice review. I hear the difference between the three. All sound good to me on my iPods. I have demo the Cayin and it is magical. I am looking to buy it to sit side by side with my Yamaha As2100 for turntable duties.
Cool, yeah if you are going for emotions, the Cayin is great for that especially when you find the right tubes for it.
Hi Thomas, you touched on my situation…I am looking for an amp for my La Scalas. I mostly listen to jazz, blues, acoustic, instrumental and classical, and rely on both analog and streaming as my sources.
I really enjoy your reviews and respect your opinions, so am curious which tube amp you would suggest. We can also throw in the Decware Zen and Primaluna EVO 300, possibly also the Rogue Sphinx. Would also like to hear about any others you might suggest.
Thank you in advance!
They are all good but take a look at my latest video where I break down on tubes a bit more. You see, you are listening to a diverse range of music and once you talk about classical music, you need power so that alone might push you to go with push pull amps.
Hi Thomas, I’m a big fan of your videos. You will be sorely missed while you are away. I’ve ordered the R8. In your video you mentioned that by changing the front tubes this integrated amp can be much better. There are 5 front tubes, what is your recommendation for tube replacement? Thank you and good luck with your work project.
Thanks Thomas, do you think there would be a decent performance and synergy with the R8 and my LS-50’s? I’d use a node 2i as a preamp for tidal, and Rega P3/Schiit mani for vinyl...
My current amp is the Tag Mclaren 60iRv and it’s great, but I’ve not tried tubes before.
Oh, and Happy Holidays!
I think it should be fine.
The best amp is "double" Canor Audio AI 1.20 connected via male to female. Also, I love your channel so much, do not stop. Instead, do quick Q&A on the go!
Is the best yes...until you check the price aha!!!
Your videos are extremely informative I would love a video of you explaining how you got involved with high end audio or audio in general that would be interesting to hear. Are you just shutting down for January and February because of the winter months will you be coming back with more videos I hope so I enjoy them I live in Southern California and I got involved with high-end audio by just wandering in A brick and mortar store and was asked to sit down and just listen to a pair of Acousta model threes with a Kenwood KD 5500 turntable and a TNT 500 amp with a Kenwood solid-state preamp and I believe a dino vector moving coil 10 high output.. I was 20 years old there’s no way I could afford all that gear but that wasn’t the thing the person that owned the store wanted my opinion on how did it sound and I’ve been hooked on high-end audio ever since ... i’ve had Martin Logan clsiiz, Paired with macintosh 501s and a Mac c2300 preamp, it sounded really nice but it was subjective to the room and to the music you listen to. But I am truly into sitting and enjoying my music no matter if it was recorded good or bad so I sold my Martin Logan’s purchased a brand new pair of klipsch La Scalas ,So my 501s for an MC 275 tube Mac amp kept my preamp and I’ve never look back sometimes simple is better
Thomas,
I actually bought the R8 because of your videos. I'm very happy with the amp.
For those of you thinking of buying it, I would recommend completely. I have heard some reviewers say it is bumped up in the mid-bass region. It can get thick in the lower end, based on the recording, and the speaker pairing. If you are getting to much bass, try the triode mode, not linear enough, just switch to EL34s. Willsenton R8 is really 4 amps in one. KT88, EL43, ultra liner, triode modes. I really like the R8s more thick and full mid-bass and midrange region. If you listen to alot of 1960s recordings i.e. blues and jazz, the bump really fills out thin sources.
Midrange is smooth and the top end can be liquid with the right speakers. Let the stock tubes burn in for 100 hours before upgrading. It sounds very good. Upgrade the preamp tubes and gain clarity and separation. For the money it is an incredible amp. 25 watts outputs a lot of power. On my kef speakers, I do not use 35-40% of the volume to hit 100 db.
If it helps future buyers, I will say that I don't like analytical, extremely linear systems. I tend to like warm and full, over 'Hi-Fi' presentation. A flat response with weaker bottom end is not my thing. Also, the soundstage on the R8 is holographic and deep with a tube change and the right speakers.
I'm a midrange guy.. so it's Cayin for me. Thx Thomas for your video & effort.. really appreciated. Be safe. 👍😄🙏
Only thing with Cayin, the stock tubes are lively so need to tube roll with them.
@@ThomasAndStereo alright... Thx for your advice. 👍
Hello Thomas, love your videos! can you tell us how you feel about Matrix Mini-i Pro 3 DAC and mainly compare with Burson Composer? thx for your time! :)
Yeah, I will be making a video on it soon. It is smooth sounding.
Hifi addict love your content truly ✨ 💕
Would love to see a review of the Doge Monoblock amps. Look like a killer deal for what they are.
Thanks Thomas 👍
Hi Thomas what is ideal for for stereo..
Pre amp + power amp+ dac or a integrated amp is enough?
Great video as usual Thomas but I was sad to hear you shutting down your channel. For what ever reason, I wish you all the best, but you will be sadly missed my friend.
Hey Thomas I'm gonna miss you man. A parting request if you have time which of these integrated amps do you feel would match with the Canton 9k reference stand speakers? I'm also using a JAMO c80 sub. I know you had the big Cantons so the top end would be similar. Be Well