Gallagher And Pacioretty Pushed Subban Out Of Montreal
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2023
- Georges Laraque joins Tony Marinaro to discuss who played a part in PK Subban being traded from the Habs.
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PK had a NBA approach to his career in a sport where that is frowned upon and the players are brainwashed against that mindset from childhood. He was ahead of his time and just did not fit in. Ironically PK would be mild in the NBA. That's why the American media love him.
It's funny how players like Crosby, Ovechkin, McDavid, etc all have their own hockey brands yet PK's was the problem and he's always compared to the NBA....
@@mofishin2648 Oh please. I love PK and his picture is the centerpiece of my mancave. But he has a polarizing, larger than life type of personality and that tends to rub many people the wrong way.
@@mofishin2648 I agree. Subban was an amazing player for the habs.
@@okk It's funny how ignorant aholes on the internet always make everything about race.
@@AG-xc5ni I never mentioned race. you did. I talked about brands and standards.
He was a team player and he stepped it up in the playoffs big time
he was a prick....now you know.
When a team is winning, everyone gets along. When a team is struggling, personalities begin to clash.
Ok... PK was a good and generous person. And the other night was a great moment....But let's not revisit history... He was not a great teamate. Let's face the facts... His teamates didn't like him in Montreal, his temates eventually soured on him in Nashville too. Bergevin thought PK should be more focused on the team and less on his brand. Given how Pks career ended with seasons of 18, 19 and 22 points, can we not agree that perhaps Bergevin was right? The PK-Weber trade was a great trade for Montreal. Players and coaches loved Weber. Suzuki and Caufield love Weber. The way Weber played in the Cup final a few years ago I'm sure will inspire them the rest of their careers.
Plus, I also think Bergevin did PK a favor by trading him. Can you imagine the PK that played in New Jersey playing for the Montreal Canadiens? A guy with a 9 million dollar contract, being in all those commercials, going to all those events and putting up very disappointing numbers? He would have been booed non-stop be the very same fans that gave him a standing ovation the other night.
Sorry, this is wrong. It was all from above -- management. Go back and read what Roadrunner and a few other of the alum said at the time the stuff was hitting the fan. No doubt Therrien started the ball rolling though, guaranteed.
Really hard to hear now, Patch used to be one of my fav players
Hey Master Control George needs one of those mics u got Engels.
PK was all about PK! He loved being a Montreal Canadien, he had tremendous skill and was a force on the ice. When you put that jersey on, it's about the logo...not your brand! He wanted the attention and other teammates had an issue with that.
@Mo Fishin what games were you watching? Teammates weren't around? Come on man!
They were all jealous of him. Those 2 will never be offered a show on ESPN and Pacioretty is American and a "leader" who has also been traded twice.
@B Good Gretzky was traded twice too. Pac was traded from vegas because of their cap space woes. He is also injury prone. Has nothing to do with his personality.
Subban pushed himself out of Montreal. Team voted Pacioretty team captain. 19-2, 21 grown men going to know. They also never voted for him as Clancy nominee. Despite Subban generous donation to CHildren's hospital
Nice send off for PK.
He gave a lot to the community of Montreal. He was not a favorite of mine. Every time he touched the puck, I held my breath. I just did not know if PK would score a goal, or give up the puck in the middle of the ice, resulting in a turn over and scoring opportunity for the other team.
That sums up PK. A skilled hard-working player, bigger than life, a distracting personality, generous to a fault. He was equally dangerous to both the opposition as well as the Habs. I breathed a sigh of relief when he was traded for Shae Weber.
I like him more for we what he gave to the hospital, families and children than anything he ever did on the ice.
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6:3
Anyone who hasn’t already figured this out wasn’t paying attention.
Yea I call bs on laracque here. He doesn’t know. Pk donated to the hospital and bypasses the habs. Habs brass were not there for that. Pk signed his ticket then. George you’re full of it man.
As a Devil fan here in Philthy since day one of their nice in 1982, I always loved PK and hoped a miracle could happen and he somehow be a Devil. In a 3 week span two of my puck works dreams came true. First we would draft a player with the qualities of my favorite center of all time that being Igor Larionov and THAT came true with the young and dynamic Jack Hughes and then we traded for PK, WOW....I WAS SOOOO HAPPY. I am so happy we had PK such a great ambassador for the game. Did Max blame his hit by Chara as retaliation cause I the PK on Marchand hit? PK was more of a leader than Max ever was in the ice? Did Max think PK "SHOWED" HIM UP? I always wish the Habs well, I love their history and appreciate their contributions to the game. In 79, I fell in love with the game because of two teams and one player The Soviet/Russian National team (CCCP) and CSKA CENTRAL RED ARMY MOSCOW and player Vladislav Tretiak. Always loved how Montreal welcomed them and showed the deserved respect. Little did I know there was a little boy one year older than me that would become my favorite player of all time and also a student then teacher at the Tretiak Goaltending Academy in St Leonard: Martin Brodeur. Save the debate Patty Roy fans and I truly do respect him.
However 3 things separate Marty over all the rest: As time advances and year after year we see major mistakes weekly made by goalies playing the puck, NO ONE as a goalie played the puck like Marty, not only serving as a third D man,hell he passes the puck better than most D men. Marty never put himself he before the team demanding playing time as Roy did on the plane to be Nagano, a tournament he was mediocre at best and never did you see Marty make a glove save, showboat in the air as the puck rolls OUT of said glove. Out of Montreal there was a great publication, in fact, the greatest magazine dedicated to the goalie called "Goalies World." That amazing magazine dedicated a record 4 specials breaking down Marty' s style because he didn't play the Quebecois Butterfly 24/7. No, he left the Allaire school for Tretiak's because he e was an athlete.....an artist in the crease. Daniel Alfredson said it be est, "I could come down on the wing and take a shot 3 times and each time he would make 3 different saves.,". For me, the greatest if all in hockey were Martin Brodeur, Pavel Bure, Igor Larionov, Wayne Gretzky, Scott Stevens, Bobby Orr, Vladislav Tretiak,Larry Robinson, Slava Fetisov.....The greatest line ever "Green Unit/KLM LINE"...Sidney Crosby and now...... Connor McDavid but I prefer MY......MY SUPERSTARS: JACK HUGHES AND NICO HISCHIER. GET READY because soon added will be Luke Hughes and Soon to be in the wing of Jack from the KHL OMSK HAWKS: ARSENI GRITSYUK. The talent in my beloved system if the New Jersey Devils is unmatched..... Montreal has a nice future ahead for sure, your franchise as it was when Marty played and now the era of Jack, Nico and Mighty New Jersey Devils will STILL AND AS ALWAYS OWN THE HABS
Is Georges putting this on the record that Brendan Gallagher, along with Captain Pacioretty went to Marc Bergevin and suggested they trade PK Subban? Slippery slope Georges
Anybody with eyes and ears could see the jealousy coming from those two walking cliches. All the eye rolling and comments. PK is winning and his brand will be bigger than those 2 along with the gm and coach that ran him out of town. The ovation he got says he wasn't a problem with the vast majority of Habs fans, just some small minded ones.
PK was the best Habs playoff performer in the last 30 years. 11 & 67 have always underperformed for the Habs in the playoffs.
Gallagher, 13 G in 71 playoff games. Pacioretty playoffs with Habs, 10 G in 38 playoff games. Not good. No big moments from these two.
The worst captain in MTL history got PK kicked out of Montreal for his successor lmao!!!
To me in some ways I could live with Gallagher criticizing PK's game at times when he was with the Canadiens because Gallagher always brings it and still is doing so even though he's getting injured frequently at this stage of career, it doesn't mean he's worth 6.5 mill and in a long term contract for sure, the reality right now is that he has a very overrated contract given by the former gm but so far nobody could say that Gallagher doesn't bring it on a regular for the most part but for Pacioretty it's a different story because I don't think he was in any position to be criticizing PK's performance or leadership, for Gallagher yes he is in that position.
If there was one legitimate criticism about Subban, to me it would be at times that he would try to do too much with the puck when he should have just made the simple fundamental play but overall he should have never been traded no doubt..
What offensive defenseman didn't/doesn't try to do more especially on an offensively challenged team? I never hear that critique of other defenseman like Josi, Karlsson, Burns, even Coffey could score 100 points and barely be a plus player. Maybe if Montreal had any forwards that could consistently score more than 65 points, he wouldn't have had to try to do more. That is such a B.S. criticism of the guy. I just think folks should at least be intellectually honest as to why they don't like him. He brought it with flair every night to that otherwise boring as F dump and chase snorefest 😴😴 Thierren put on the ice every night.
@@bgood4449 By the way I agree with a lot of things that you said no doubt because some of the things you said is what already thought about before.
One thing for sure, Subban was by far the Canadiens best playmaker at the time amongst their skaters no doubt we both agree on that and the second best playmaker after him was Markov, so yeah that right there says a lot about the Canadiens forwards at that time for sure that they weren't that good a lot of the top forwards at the time were average, a lot of the offense was generated by Subban and then Markov and they are defensemans so they had lots on their plate to handle no doubt.
Overall like I said at the end of my previous comment, Subban should have never been traded, it should have never even came close to that at all at that point.
Hey Tony I got an interesting question/topic for you. If Bergevin hadn’t traded away Kotkaniemi, do you think Hughes management would have also done so. If not, what approach do you think they’d have taken with him?
Sorry but PK was most responsible for the trade. His point production and game generally were going south. There is a limit on how many 2 minute shifts at critical points in a game any management will accept. And the proof of this is that the Preds sent him on his way too after trading their most popular player to get him,
@Daniel Shays The Preds made the finals with PK in his very first year there. Something they never did in over a decade with Weber. PK was also a norris finalist that year. He developed chronic back issues which is why his play declined and he was traded.
@Steve These are the actual facts but ppl who have their own agenda will ignore these facts, what can ya do.
It would be good if Daniel Shays actually did his research before he types nonsense. The last season with the Habs PK had 51pts in 68 games played, apparently thats what ppl call a decline smdh
Additionally when talking about critical giveaways at important points you also fail to consider that this is a player with 62pts in 96 career playoff games! You know, playoffs, the most KEY moments there is...
@@steve8803 PK was a Norris finalist in 2017-2018 not the first year in NAshville.. But the rest of what you say is correct.
@@sojiroseta98 People are jealous of PK that''s why they will say outrageous stuff just to continuenthe hate
I love way more Gallagher than PK, sry; dont try to make a victim out of PK plz
I bet you love that ridiculous contract Montreal is stuck with for a guy who won't sniff 30 goals again and who can't stay on the ice. That albatross is wrapped around the organization for what, another 5 years? PK has been a far more accomplished player than either of those 2.
@@bgood4449 "PK has been a far more accomplished player than either of those 2." HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Trade Gallagher
@ Carson Turcotte... the Gallagher's contract is just scary at 6.5 million/year for another 4 years; furthermore, he is slowed down quite a bit and is always hurt. Montreal will need to give away at least a first round draft pick to another team to take on that horrible contract. They will likely buy him out in a couple of years as the team will be ready to compete to make the playoffs!!!
PK ? 👎. Not a team member.
The attendees at the Bell Center that night would vehemently disagree with you as would the children's hospital patients and their families.
can't say I blame them. He's incredibly annoying