BEST Home Defense Shotgun Ammo??? (BIRDSHOT vs BUCKSHOT vs SLUG)
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- BEST Shotgun Ammo For Home Defense??? Today we test one of the oldest debates, Birdshot vs Buckshot vs Slugs for self defense. Which one's best??
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The slug shot gave chills. My goodness. I had no idea how powerful it is. Thank you for the demonstration
It's a beast.
20 gauge slug way way stronger if u shot them they would kick yo shoulder so hard and it’s the best shotgun ever and powerful and the shell it’s way kinda bigger
@@omriaame6250wb 10g slug
@@omriaame6250 20 gauge is smaller than 12 gauge lol
rather be cleaning up my home than be 6 feet under@@Will-if7wp
The bird shot did the least damage, but pellets went into his eyes that would most likely permanently blind him, and pellets went into his neck that would pierce the arteries and make him bleed out.
not only that, but i think birdshot might be the most painful, imagine 20 pellets in your ballsack.
@@clotz1820 right🤣🤣🤣
Yep an officer I once worked with took a hit from a turkey load at a distance and had to be air lifted because they where afraid pellets had got into his arteries
@@lawson9102 so bird shot can definitely get rid of the threat.
@@aaronbest747 oh yea there are plenty of people in the dirt due to being hit with bird shot most at across the room or closer distance but I would not want to take a hit with it at any distance like you pointed out it can blind a person or make holes in arteries either is serious like I said I know an officer that had to be air lifted because EMS thought pellets may have went into his arteries but luckily no pellets went into his arteries or his eyes and this was at a distance
It all depends on where your ideal defense range is for your house. 15 yards away is quite a distance frankly considering a lot of homes. 5-10max yards seems like a solid range. Birdshot gives me that piece of mind.
Plus he says that shooting at close range will lead to similar results. I believe close range IS the optimal range regarding home defense.
Birdshot at close range is downright fucking SCARY. It will literally turn tissue in to minced meat.......
If you have to shoot at that kind of a situation, its messed up already. I do really hope that it would not happen but if it does, shotgun is really good option for taking something out with single hit, regardless of what load or shot was loaded in it.
If it is really defending situation, who cares if target lives or not, just get threat down and deal with paperwork later.
High brass no.4's work for me
I agree. Birdshot at close range is going to put you down for the count.
@@veli-pekkamalmi5546it’s more about, do I fear that if it’s gonna over penetrate or partially miss the invader, will it have enough energy to go through walls and kill a family member
2 3/4 #1 buckshot. 16 - 30 caliber pellets per round. At home defense (close) distances, absolutely devastating. Great recipe for watermelon stew! As a life-long deer hunter, this round knocks them off their feet, without the worry of pass-throughs. One of these center mass, the bad guy will not be testifying much. To be honest about it, I hope I am never forced to use it for self-defense. Hurting another human being, should be the last thing any of us wants to do. Rudyard Kipling said it best. There are only two reasons to kill. To eat, or to keep from being eaten. It's the law of the jungle. Peace!
1 buck is the most efficient size (they stack better inside the shell). I like 4 buck a lot also. Probably the best size for urban use. With that said, 00 is by far the easiest to find and undoubtedly effective. I just wish more people saw the pluses of 1 and 4. Sometimes bigger isn’t always better.
you should get one of those good shotguns its called a 9mm pistol!
12 gauge Shockwave loaded with 8 Federal mini shells (#4 buckshot). Would really ruin a bad guy's day...
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 20ga slug is the best
@@patrickbrophy5310so why 1 & 4, but not 2 & 3? I’m genuinely asking bc I don’t know. Just shot a shotgun for the first time ever last week (but I’ve been shooting pistols and rifles for about 20 years)
Carrying a Shotgun with 00 buck in Afghanistan.. I can attest to its effectiveness.. and physiological impact of just it’s very presence.. I wouldn’t chance my life to bird shot .. but the lethality of a shotgun with the right load at the right distance is unmatched at least by anything we as a civilian can legally own ..great test I have a soft spot for scatter guns ..
That's not really true based on the data we have.
Rifles have a higher OSS/OSK percentage than shotguns, but shotguns have a lot higher percentages than handguns.
I've thought about this many times, but your comment also raised this thought in me. This might be a garbage idea, might not be, but why not mix the 3? Load in birdshot first, the next round is buckshot and then comes the slug. The birdshot might be able to get the attacker to back down, and if they do why kill them? If they don't, well the buckshot will get them to, but they can still survive. If they decide that it's still worth it then the slug will definitely get the job done. Now of course this comes from someone who lives in a place where you can't get a gun without 700 different kinds of permits that have to be signed by God himself and even then it's hard to put it to use as you have to have it in a locked box, unloaded and has to have a gunlock on it and the ammunition can't be in the same box as the gun. Carrying it is only legal with blanks, and self defense or not it still counts as murder, so it might be why it's dumb, as it wouldn't necessarily work against people with guns, but it's definitely a not-so-lethal option
Thanks for your service brother 💞.... I'm a USAF vet from way back....12 guage Damm near unmatched against anything Short of a hand grenade close up... Horrendous energy... Survival rate is very low... Look at other calibers.. survival rate way higher
When I was in Kosovo in 2001 kicking down doors some troops who went in first would carry the Mossberg. We trained with the beanbag rounds too for crowd control. I've got a video of a house search on my channel.
@@pewpew9193 the data is skewed since most of the shotgun shootings are the result of using birdshot since its plentiful and cheap. There isn’t any rifle round that has better terminal effectiveness than 00B within 25 yards and you can’t tell me any different. 9 50 grain pellets ripping thru anyone’s chest will stop them in their tracks.
I grew up here in rural Western Mass agricultural & dairy farm country. We also hunted Southern Vermont with rifles, but since only shotguns are allowed in Mass, I was encouraged to use a combination of No. 4 buckshot & slugs. On a stand, first shot would be the slug, followed by 4 buck loads. Typically 28 pellets of .24 diameter in a 2 3/4" 12 ga shell, not too shabby.
Odd setup. No humans survive slugs, especially in home defense. Usually it's buckshot then slugs.
Good call with the #4 but leave one shot for a higher number in case it starts to run from you and you gotta make a 50 yd. or more shot.
Southeast MA here... western is no man's land as we say out this way.
@@lz1648 all parts suck lol move north a few hours and enjoy real freedom
@@richards8663 I hear that
Truly appreciate that you are making videos for newbies. I've been using shotguns for over 40 years, and still enjoy hearing someone teaching about the basics.Thanks for investing your time and expense in making this video. Personally, inside the home, your distance to an intruder will be less than 15 feet in most rooms so, no matter what you shoot, the effect will be devastating. Try shooting one of those heads with birdshot at under 5 yards and see what happens.
That is correct on distance inside your house PLUS the fact you need best coverage if dealing with an invasion in the dark (i.e. you wake up like I did at 3 a.m. in a DARK house to deal with an invasion ... well we do have some night lights at entrances and in the hallways now).
@@jgehbinv Wow! We all think of what we would do if someone entered our home, but I've never had to face it. Good advice to keep a small light on. I have a salt lamp on in the living room at night now, the only room where someone could enter, so I can see if the person is an intruder or one of my children. A flash light at the end of your shotgun shining in the intruder's eyes could also give you an edge?
Well that is correct. even light target load will obliterate things like that gel head at 5 yards. Buckshot will penetrate and hurt next guy too , slug will definitely go far beyond that. And there is also psyghologigal effect even if you put one shell, lets say to the doorframe. Pressureblast from shotguns bad end at that distance will make your face feel like it was hit.
@@WilliamHearnTOEFL_Tutor the flash light definitely helps. I have one on my 870 that is both bright enough for me to see but also bright enough any would be intruder cannot. Even if they get momentarily flashed by this light it will ruin their night vision and make it harder to see in general.
Growing up we had night lights in every room . I asked my Pop one day why . He would say so I don't shoot your lil ass by mistake . Then he would chuckle and say . Really . Its so I can see who is in my house . He kept a .410 by his bedside and a .45 in the night stand. Asked why not a 12 gauge like my Gpa. An classic response from Pop was. Boy I'm not destroying everything in the house . 😅😅😅😅😅
That was an excellent demonstration. I have only ever used bird shot. Never had any experience with the other 2 loads. The differences are remarkable. Now I know the difference very well. Thanks so much.
Slugs are not over kill if you have Grizzlies around. When I was an EMT I saw a lot of people shot with bird shot, in the guts it is a death warrant. Not always right away, butt all those holes go through the important junk you need to stay alive. One drug dealer took a turkey load from a 20 gauge from his girl friend in the hip pretty close. The different sizes of shot of shot ricocheted of the bone and went through lungs, liver, kidneys, intestines, everything had multiple holes. He was talking and walking when we got there. Gun shots have to go to the hospital, by law. He didn't last an hour. The x-ray showed the all the damage. One in the heart would have been way faster.
Damn!!!
Girl should get an award for taking care of a drug dealer. Probably got life, however.
You hit the point that a lot of people that recommend birdshot and 22 lr.
It doesn't do you any good that the guy dies a hr after putting a round or knife in you.
We don't shot to kill we shoot to stop.
@@tbjtbj4786 if I'm ever in a situation where God forbid I have to defend myself, your damn right I'm shooting to kill.
Yeah, home defense against them damn bears.
Good stuff, but everyone seems to forget that "bird shot" comes in sizes one through twelve. High dram number 2's at home defense distances will surprise you with its penetration. Less than buckshot obviously, but it would fill that skull with lead.
You also have bb,bbb,t,the f,ff and the f and ff are so close to #4 buck that there hardly any difference
They all act like slugs at short distances
Bird shot works just fine for a home defense situation mines loaded with 6 shot and it will do plenty of damage
Quail , dove shot
Buck shot then slug
Thanks for taking the time and expense to confirm what some of us thought. Loved the slo-mo.
My dad was a us deputy marshal 1920-60. He perfected to make homemade "bolo" rounds for a 12 ga. The difference was his were on piano wire in a circle and we used them for home defense. We lived off-grid in the 70's. 30 minutes from the nearest paved road. We defended our property 4 times after midnight from people going down our Dead End Road to our house at the end of the road, opening our gated property and driving down a 1/4 mile drive from the gate with no head lights on. Our dogs would wake us up and since dad was divorced and I at 14 was the oldest child of 4 still living at home would go outside. We got into 3 gun fights with no gsw on our side but 2 with extreme gsw from the bolo rounds. Dad was medically retired at that time. Fortunately the shootings were at a distance. We also used the rounds to chop down trees. So much fun.
Not advocating birdshot for self defense but whenever I see these reviews, it’s usually 7 1/2 or 8 shot. If you bump it down to something like 4 birdshot or BB your going to get more penetration. I use Federal Flight Control buck for home defense.
Very true. You also get more penetration with Hardened or plated shot.
T shot can can do the job for sure. Especially when you are using 3 inch magnum loads. I have some that I bought for turkey hunting and they have brutal recoil. Inside of like 25 feet they would for sure discourage people from whatever they were doing very effectively.
Birdshot's effectiveness is also dependent on the choke. Ten yards with a full or extra full choke, you're going to be dumping a ridiculous volume of shot into a very small area. If you want to use bird shot, make sure you have a tight choke.
@@halfcirclehranch6877 I really don't think it matters at typical home defense distances. Just my opinion.
True but i still cringe when i hear someone tell someone to use birdshot for HD or that them pumping the action will make the bad guy run away
In Germany and almost the entire EU we do not have these possibilities of self-defense.
We are being patronized here and I wish we had laws like you!
The judiciary in Germany is also a joke and criminals are not punished hard enough and because of that they are not afraid to commit serious crimes..
And then you can't even defend your family, your home and yourself.
Such a shame!
You are really lucky!
so, take back yalls inalienable right to defence!
They are pushing hard here for that as well. Some places are no different from what you described. Criminals are able to commit crimes with little to no punishment while lawful citizens have their rights to defend themselves attacked relentlessly in many areas of the country. Democrats say they are morally superior but their actions have proven otherwise.
We may not have guns but neither do criminals, it’s much safer when nobody has guns than when everybody does.
@@merry3755 Criminals have guns. Gun laws are useless. Criminals do not obey laws.
@@merry3755 ok you like tyranny! thats not our gun packin business!
This was really a fabulous video. I was a total shotgun novice at the start. Ten minutes later I feel I know everything I needed to know at this point about ammo. Well done!!
Lol crazy how CZcams works!
I have a variety that I use which range from less lethal to Magnum slugs. Usually, if lethal effect without over penetration is desired, a shot size between #6 and #4 is best. pheasant loads are usually ideal. Part of what I love about shotguns are the ammo choices. You can run anything you need to from blanks, rubber, pepper, light shot, heavy shot, slugs, flares, and just about anything else you could pass through that pipe. They are great for utility use, and light through heavy targets. Shotguns are just very weak and long range shooting. Anything close, a shotgun can do nicely with. Great for home defense ranges.
We use a double for the farm. It’s loaded with No 4 3.5 bird shot. On the side card is two buck and two slugs with a No 7 bird in between upside down. Variety is needed for the kinds of critters we might see and it’s a break because it needs to be seen safe from across the room.
Number 4 buck is my choice for home defence. Good amount of stopping power and not as much risk of over penetration as larger buckshot. Just my 2 cents.
I agree totally. I have shot 4 buck through a solid 1 3/4" wood door, it goes
through it like wet paper towels, but it has a lot more pellets than 00 buck.
Wider spread, better chance to stop/wound your attacker, especially if the
PERP is on the run. It is a good "compromise" between "ultimate killing
power" and a "chance to make a hit".
I agree with your choice sir.
I took a shotgun class when I was in a security detachment shortly after 911. The instructor was a grizzled old Marine that had used shotguns on little foreign people in the early 70s, somewhere in Asia........ He swore by #4 and had receipts to back it up. I have used #4 almost exclusively for over 20 years now. 28 6mm pellets do a good job at removing the spirit from the body.
I admit I may have missed it but at no point did i see where the "birdshot" was identified as anything but high wall. It's important to note that birdshot is a large range of shot sizes from #9 (.08") shot up to BB (.18") with 7-1/2 & 8 being probably the most common. #4 birdshot at 7 yards makes a single fist sized hole through 2 pine boards.
yeah he lost ALL credibility with that bit of missing info.
So I can give you my experience as a police officer (13 years) seeing the effects of shotgun wounds. With buckshot or slugs the results are almost 100% a fatality if the hit is in the upper chest or head. Now with a limb shot (leg or arm), the effect is a good chance of complete amputation or failing that the limb hit is always completely useless for the remainder of the gunfight. Birdshot is totally different, if the birdshot is delivered to the upper chest or head at very close range as in muzzle contact range, the effect is a high chance of fatality. At the same time if you add just a slight distance, say 5 yards or more the wounds have a big chance of becoming non fatal. I have seen a person take 3 rounds of birdshot at a distance of 3 to 7 yards (the person was running from the shooter), and although the person hit had crazy damage (think of flesh peeling away from the bones) the person shot survived the engagement. That’s not to say the individual couldn’t die from blood loss if not treated medically soon after being shot with birdshot, but as a fight stopper birdshot isn’t something someone should rely on to end a threat in my opinion.
Lmao
Testing at 10-15 YARDS for a HOME defense load…..Honestly I would have preferred to see 5-7 yards since the vast majority of homes in the US won’t have much viable distance past that inside the home.
What if inside the home become thes yard driveway or road
He just didn't want to destroy the dummy with the first shot of bird and leave nothing for the buck and slug
Most living rooms are bigger than 5-7 yards. Most self defense shootings out in the world take place at 5-7 yards. I don't think that's for home defense situations. I live in a town home and even in here I have plenty of places that are over 15 yards of open area. Hallways, living room, stairs, master bedroom.
A major mess is what you would get.
5-7 feet would be more realistic.
Now this is high quality entertainment! Good stuff Jesse
So amazing. Seen the old videos and this still rules!!!
Nice content and clear footages, this channel really deserves subscribers!🔥🔥🔥
Dude this video is by far the best representation of all three rounds, the head was a really great example. I'm subscribing 👏
Use #4 buckshot, safe for apartment dwellers, less likely to penetrate walls, and more pellets, though the pellets, or shot is smaller, still, a devastating round. you can use mini shells, they have less pellets, but at close range, which most apt distances are, they are just as effective, and if you have a Mossberg 500, or 590 with the Opsal adaptor, you can load more, and be well armed for multiple opponents which would cover most home invasions. Mini shells also carry No#4 buck, so that would become, in my opinion the prime shotgun shell, and it is lighter in recoil, for those recoil sensitive, but they fit quite nicely in the tube of the shot gun with almost double the capacity of full sized 2 1/2 in. shell.
Clayton,have killed dozens of deer with #4 3inch buckshot!I have shot through deer,never did that with 0 or00 buck.
Yeah. Or Number 3 buckshot, that would be good too. I live in an apartment, so I probably wouldn't want to use 00 buck for home defense. A typical 2-3/4 inch of Number 4 buckshot usually has 24 .24 pellets, getting hit with that is definitely nothing to laugh at.
Finally someone that knows what he’s talking about. There’s a lot of people making these videos that think only cheapo sand grain buckshot and 000 3” buck exists. There’s lots in between. Turkey magnum and #4 buck are best in most cases but they are ignored by these content producers.
@@PalmettoNDN Number 1 buckshot would be good too. Usually, 15-16 .30 caliber pellets in a 2-3/3/4 inch shell. That would pack an impressive punch too.
KSG 12 ga fits 22+1 minishells (1 3/4").
Yeah, you good for the whole gang.
“Arousing!” Facts brother!
Thank you for the review. It’s awesome to see another left hand shooter. 👍🏾
I use # 1 low recoil buckshot. 16 30 cal pellets should get the job done. Thanks for the video!
7:50 that managed to be one of the most brutal head shots I've ever seen.
same!
Great channel bro ! You’re informative , entertaining and good at what you do !
Amazing video! Truly very helpful info. Thank you!
Love the videos keep them up 👍
I own a G26, a Stribog SP9A3gen2AL, but for home defense, I would primarily reach for my Mossberg M88 12/76 :) and at short range it almost doesn't matter what you set up as the first shot!!! Greetings from Europe
Wow thank you! Im completely new to this and this was a great demonstration!
Exactly the video I was searching, it was just perfect 🙌
I want to see a comparison of heavy birdshot like b, bb, t a other heavy birdshot,
Annoyingly every time someone does a comparison like this they always use the smallest shot.
Yeah a shot that legit no one would purposely use for self defense. Pretty much everyone knows super small bird shot is just going to pepper their skin but won't hit vital organs or get threw a skull.
The reason is because the average joe who thinks birdshot is a good self defense round is probably going to be using the cheapest low brass walmart birdshot they can find. At less than 15 feet it will absolutely still blow a hole through someone, it's when you get to 15 yards like this video where it loses that momentum and tight grouping.
@@adamtwelve agreed, test shouldve been 20 feet
@@adamtwelve I don't have any 15 yard firing lanes inside my house, at the distances I'd be shooting during a home-invasion #8 birdshot is plenty.
@@RichardCranium321 But what are you testing at 20 yards? It's not home defense....
Another great video!! I keep a 20 gauge youth model for home defense loaded with number 3 buckshot.
Same
Ditto
Yep. I have a Rossi 20g break action with 00-Buck in the barrel and 4 more on the stock. If I need more than that, it's combat knife time and daddy is getting dirty.
Plug delete.
Awesome demonstration in the difference between slugs. Thank you for the education!!
Thanks dude I enjoyed the video!
While I prefer #1 buck, it's incredibly hard to find locally and, being honest, I doubt the bad guy will notice the difference or that I will notice the slightly reduced recoil in that moment. So, I have Federal's Tactical 9-pellet 00B with their Flite-Control wad which patterns insanely tightly in my IC S&W 3000 shotgun. That tight pattern means there will almost certainly be some pellets passing through but they should lose speed very quickly and may not make it through my home's exterior.
A friend who lives in an RV park uses (last I checked) #4 buck to further reduce his chances of shooting through the bad guy and endangering others. Of course, with any of these loads, a full miss is going to get your neighbors' attention.
Good choice for close in quarters n close neighbors... BB shot is ultimate ammo... Remember your bot talking Daisy air gun speed. Talking 1200 fps ( 800 mph) gonna ruin ur day 👍
I know you said in your local gunshops but check out buds gun shop.
@@Honest-abe76 And your barrel if you use the wrong wads. I load them occasionally up to 1500fps. They do hit hard, but not as deadly as larger lead pellets like #00. I've taken precautions for over-penetration. Best thing about steel ammo is if the perp lives and gets put in an MRI machine, he gets shot again!
I make LOTS of it. Get you a mold and a Lee production pot. You can easily get completely set up for under $200.
@@robertfrapples2472 Don't believe hommes gonna see no MRI with full shot placement!!!! Hahahaha hahahaha 😅..wounding an attacker is bad news.... Most states ur still liable for his medical care... Even though he's the agresser ..you caused his injury... Best if he lives with worms....
12 gauge shotgun. When you absolutely positively must stop a threat
And devastating to multiple intruders!
Very good video showing and example of what a shot gun can do… with different slugs.
Thanks for your nice info-clip and yes, I have recently purchased a "Black Ace" semi automatic
12 gauge and the seven rounds in it are four birdshot, two buckshot and the last one is a slug.
I have three 12 ga Mossbergs in the house and one in my truck. All are loaded with #4 Buckshot. It gives a denser pattern than 00 at longer ranges.
If you go to #4 birdshot you will get everything. Stopping power, a decent pattern and uch less over penetration
I have a few hundred rounds of that Black Aces Tactical 00 Buckshot you shot in this video. It's pretty hot stuff, going at 1425 fps. I keep it loaded in my Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Maverick 88. Great for both home defense and defensive carry in the woods.
Maverick 88 is such a great gun. And WAYYY underpriced honestly.
@@user-qo3yy9nv1u Agreed
Best demonstration between rounds I’ve seen.
You answered most of my questions right there.
Slugs if you want to kill Zeek
Buckshot going to knock the stuffing right out of Zeek, giving me a second chance to relish a slide reload.
Birdshot going to be a bad day experience and really piss off Zeek.
Not expecting WWZ anytime soon, but good to know what load will do the job.
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This was a great video, I really enjoyed it. Wow…all 3 are powerful but boy can you see the difference. I’m looking into getting a shotgun next and this was a really cool demonstration between the ammo.
Very satisfying video, ty!
Well, if we're talking home defense, any 12 gauge round will be pretty darn effective when fired from a distance of less than 15 or 20 feet.
But it all depends on your situation. I've always liked a high brass load with #2 buck. Enough pellets to cover more of an area, and still big enough to penetrate deeply and break bones but not overpenetrate too much.
Hint: 12 ga will be highly effective at distaces greater than15' or 20'.
@@kennethcurtis1856 I said any 12 ga. round at 15 to 20 feet.
Birdshot is not effective at all beyond 20 feet at most. Sure, it will tear up skin and muscle, but it will not penetrate deep enough to reach anything vital in most cases.
Now, 12 ga. rifled slugs will be lethal out to hundreds of yards and penetrate deeply having no trouble reaching vitals after smashing through bones.
Thank you very much for the video, I have the same shotgun. I also have a lot of respect for birdshot, if that would have been a real person like someone else said they would have been blinded by the pellets, bleeding out from the face and would not be able to return fire !!!
This is the best ballistics demonstration I have seen on you tube by far. Very sobering. Extremely sobering!!! There are two parts to owning a shotgun. The first is target shooting and clay disc shooting...so much fun!!!. The remaining 95 % is praying I never have to use it to defend. Especially after seeing this.
Pleasantly devistating! Thank you
I use #4 birdshot in my home defence sg (Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip). I have a small home and #4 will do the job at that range. I don't intend to engage criminals at long range. Also, birdshot sounds better in court if it comes to it. If I could I'd have a suppressed MP5K or MP5SD. I like the classics but a lot of modern PDWs are pretty awesome.
unbelievable that anyone has to worry about what they defended themselves with in court. Its either legal or not. whys it matter what you used? Isn't the point of aiming a gun at someone to stop them because you feel like your lifes in danger? obviously youre going to have something loaded thats going to end someone. If you dont they might keep coming for you. this would be similar to having to shoot a bear if it was charging you. Im not interested in an even more pissed off injured bear coming at me. I want it dead if I was in danger.
Nah gotta kill or don’t shoot. Civil suits not worth it
@@free67This was my point as well. I’d assume majority of folks would aim to kill in a face to face situation with a home intruder. I’m in CA so… you know how that goes.
I'd love to see a video of 00 vs #4 buckshot, or also 12 ga vs 20 ga.
Excellent video, I needed this info ,I'm a new viewer
Your slow motion footage is awesome !!
I think a shotgun is the BEST home defense gun, but I got tired of having to lock it up (or forgetting to) before I left the house, so it's my carry pistol now.
Birdshot is extremely underestimated. Without working eyes, it would be hard for an attacker to hurt you accurately. That’s if they can focus and ignore the extreme pain from all that birdshot to the face while being blind. And that’s if you don’t just re-pump and shoot another birdshot into him again before he can even retaliate, even if he wanted to while being blind.
You shoot to kill, not wound when they are in your house
@@nategibbons172 you are wrong. Shoot to Kill is NOT always the best punishment. Example. Man breaks into another man’s home and tried to sexually use your wife, or kids. Would want, A) him to die fast and quick. With no suffering. Or B) permanently live the rest of his life, blind, scar’ed face, mutilated. Like I said above. If you are blind in both your eyeballs, first of all that would hurt extremely bad. Secondly , you wouldn’t be able to fight back to 100% effect, because you are FKIN BLIND…. and even if you somehow live through that. You have to live the rest of your life BLIND ……..
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Great video, demonstration and explanation.
Birdshot penetration in ballistic gel might be 5-6inches. Which will translate to 3ish inches *maybe* in a human torso, it’s not gonna make it though Ribs. It’ll hurt like a mofo, but that doesn’t stop someone from returning fire. Wouldn’t trust my life or anyone else’s with birdshot as a defensive round.
Wrong. Look up different shot sizes of birdshot. You're talking about the weakest stuff.
@@FatGuyEngineer if you’re talking about BBB or T sized projectiles. You’re still not going to get the *reliable* penetration you need on a human body. Emphasis on the reliable. Maybe with F sized projectiles, but at that point just use buckshot.
@@OregonianPlinking bullshit. 15 feet or so any size birdshot from a full choke will destroy a human.
3 1/2 inch 00 buck is the hardest recoil I have ever felt from a shotgun. I have a 3 1/2 inch single shot Henry that I use for trap, and I've shot 450 Casual out of it with a sleeve and I'd say the buckshot is comparable to that. Slugs are powerful but, I've only shot 3 inch slugs. I didn't think the recoil was as rough as the 00. What they do comparable to a target is another thing. I would use 00 buck over a slug for the simple fact that it spreads, where as with a slug you have to be more accurate. I'd aim center mass anyway versus a head shot. More target to hit center mass. And no, I don't use a single shot for home defense. I have hollow points in my conceal carry gun for that. It's never out of arms reach even in my home. Yes, I carry in the house. If someone breaks in the door in the middle of the day, I want to be ready for them.
His camera quality is so CLEAR I LOVE IT
A guy at work said his brother told him shotguns are worthless for home defense. I wonder if he has even used one. My opinion, there is nothing more effective at close range than a 12 gauge with slugs or buckshot.
Jeff Cooper says the 12 pump is the best home defense weapon.
Thanks for an interesting video.
As you said, many people have done this kind of stuff, but the tests have some value, particularly for people new to self-defense.
My only difference of opinion about the way these kinds of tests are often presented is that they focus too much on the extremes. The smaller birdshot, smaller than #7, are not great choices. The larger birdshot would come closer to what someone might use as a realistic home defense option. Finding #1 or #2 birdshot is more difficult, but these pellets are large enough to be more effective. In testing 00 buckshot, I'd avoid the powerful rounds like the Black Aces. Most new people choosing a 12 gauge shotgun for home defense and choosing 00 buckshot should probably choose a low recoil round. These rounds will be less likely to over-penetrate and will have less power in stray rounds going through walls. A test of #4 buckshot would also be helpful for people new to shooting and would be something even more experienced shooters haven't seen as often.
Thank you for this info, I'm a newly 12guage owner and totally agree 👍
Would you be able to recommend any sites you may use for buying this ammo?
@@inOZ8434 Off the top of my head, I don't remember which websites regularly stock which ammunition. There are numerous websites that I have used to order ammunition. I can list a few of them, but I'm not sure which ones would have the lower power 12 gauge ammunition.
TargetSports USA
Ammunition Depot
Ammo Planet
2A Warehouse
LAX Ammunition
Ammoforsale
AmmunitionStore
Natchez Shooter's Supply
Cheaper Than Dirt (This website was involved in a bit of controversy in 2020 when ammo prices rose sharply. Rather than limit purchases and keep prices at their previous level, they just let their prices follow the market. They were accused of price-gouging and have been shunned by many people.)
Ammo Fast
I don't remember whether I've ordered from all of these. I get their emails regularly.
Awesome! 👍 Thanks for the info and help, I'm definitely going to check on these for sure, hopeing to get some soon!
Thank You for the Demonstration.
I'm glad you said what you said about the Super Nova when you pump it. I was listening to it in the first bit of the demo and was thinking 'geez, that sounds like corduroy pants!'
Also remember to factor in how big a mess you want to clean up after a home invasion. Need to see tests that show us which load is most effective with the least brain splatter. You know, happy wife, happy life.
A lady actually asked which caliber causes the least amount of blood splatter in my CCW class lmao. The instructor was like what? That’s not something you’ll care about in the moment. She said yes it is I don’t want my furniture ruined 😂. I said you like white don’t you? Lmao.
Spatter*
@@littlethuggie please self delete
Good thing is literally no one in USA, that isn't a trained professional , cleans a homicide scene.
@@Arthurian. show me where they touched you
I use Winchester Defender 12ga Reduced recoil which has a slug and three pellets in each round. Lower revoil for lower penetration for neighbors yet still will put anyone down. Tested it on plywood and water jugs and was satisfied that it works as intended.
Are used at Weatherby 459 Reaper that will get some act right
Thanks for an interesting video!
Thank you sir ! Great info 👍
Love your content underrated channel keep it up and I thought I was the only one that noticed the sound when you pump the shotgun. To me it sounds like it's gritty like sand is in there maybe if you put a little wd40 on it or clp it might make it not as scratchy sounding
Wd40 will dry out. Not super good for lasting lubrication. Oil that m'fer 🤘
WD40 is a high residue solvent and water blocker. NEVER put that crap on your guns.
95% of use should be using "low" velocity loads for home defense. Easier to stay on target.. Especially if it's the middle of the night or some other panic situation..
Awesome video. Very informative.
I’m new to shotguns. Thanks for the great information
They are almost all gone now but if you talked to any old timer in SE Tn. they'd tell you 00 buck is all they used. Nothing is as devastating at close range. If you did have to go to court 3 shots sounds a lot better than 27 and that's how many projectiles it would put out. I've got .223 and .308 but a 12 gauge is what I use for home defense.
I practice with Remington express extended range bird shot. Kicks harder than buckshot. And it still hits the target hard at 50 yards. At 20 feet it's devastating.
I've used that one and it made me hate the shotgun that I had
@@hatefunwrx you can barely feel them in my 930 spx. My wife has a stoeger ....it will rattle your teeth.
Idk why you would want a round to kick harder? Kick just makes follow up shoots take longer. And with modern ammo even the shorty shells like the 2 inches pack plenty of punch in 00 buck. You don't need crazy fps from buck shot these days. Hey to each his own if what u run in your home gun works for u, it works for you
#4, 3” Turkey loads are devastating 👍👍👍
@@NORTHBROOK1978 nice, nice
Thanks for the video! I don’t own any guns and didnt know anything in this video, it’s exactly what i was curious to learn!
I absolutely love this video!❤️🔥
I feel most homes are not big enough to need a slug. Buck would give you a great result and give you the best chance to stop the bad guy. A miss with a shotgun could give the bad guy enough time to shoot back. You dont want to miss your first shot.
A semi auto shotgun could fix that
I have watched many of these test videos. I really like this one. Great slow-mo action. We all knew the results beforehand, but so what. Great video! I use 00bk as well for HD. A slug is way overkill. and will go through all the walls, potentially hitting an unintended target, so, they are out. 00bk can as well, but not as far. bird shot say 6 is too light to do enough damage. These days, due to lawsuits, you are better off killing your target. so I agree with you on 00bk. I hope to NEVER have to use it. but, if need be, that is the obvious choice.
Gives a whole new meaning to “making it rain” 👍👍
So i never knew...thanks for the info. Awesome upload. 👌🏽
I live in the city, use 00 Buck in my shotgun for potential protection at home at night. I'm not only thinking about lethal penetration into the torso but also thinking about what furniture and decorations that are around my house that a home invader might try to hide behind to fight me. I highly doubt that birdshot is going to penetrate reliably through various obstacles in my house AND have enough inertia and energy to put the bad guy out of the fight immediately on impact. I don't have a use for a shotgun load that MAY be lethal after an hour or several minutes because that could mean I have to fight that guy during that time until his body decides to quit in addition to any team mates he might have with him at the time.
Great video. I'm still creeped out!
I use Mossberg pump. (When you cycle a round, no one ever asks what gauge that is?) I have all sort of loads. I always thought of slugs, with a lot of research I like the #4 Frangible Buck. If I was in combat sure 00 buck, or slugs.
The thing about bird shot is, no one shows the damage at close range. At normal house interior range you might be unloading at
Simple And Direct 💪❤️💥🎯
Awesome video man. Definitely subscribing to the channel.
Shotguns are extremely brutal weapons in close combat. If I had to go to an alien planet and could only bring one weapon I think ot would be a shotgun. I think a 12 guage with the correct ammo choice is one of the best life taking tools ever created. You can take anything from a squirrel to an elephant.
Ur right bro... Spot on.. 9 mm hand gun to a 44 Magnum... FROM a 22-250 to a 300 Winchester Magnum..... All calibers will get the job done on any level.... But ... like u say 12 gu.. chambered in 3 in mag shell's???? Get er done!!! Horrendous energy even out to 150 yrs with a slug!!!
Spoken like a true pusc
Won’t be gettin up from that… 😂
Great demonstrations
solid comparison vid! nice work!
Great video. Keep it up!!
Anyone using buckshot, slugs or heavy birdshot in a family filled house with stud walls is a moron and a potential murderer of his own family.
If your internal walls are CHB, brick or wooden logs you will be OK, but how many modern houses and houses in really hot areas are made with solid internal walls?
This video literally covered everything I was seeking to a T! Nice bud!
I use 00 Buck for home defense. Brick walls in my house and neighbor's houses. I have shot a few hogs with 00 and am happy with the performance I've seen. Typically get a pass through with a couple pellets on hogs so be aware of your backdrops in home defense planning.
Your kids room aint brick,, they sheetrock,,
Kill one for me.
@@bigpigslapperoinktoo4953 I don't have kids and have thought through the plan well and rehersed the scenarios. Thanks for looking out though.
Damn!!!! That was koo and entertaining but most of all informative... Thanxxxxxxxxx
1:22 I used a shotgun at a scout campout, used clay pigeons to shoot. They were in that exact shell casing, and I think that is the type of shot they were, still have three empty rounds.
(Newbie here) Seems to me that the bird shot is probably effective enough. Especially given that in a home you're going to be in much closer quarters. Like another person commented, if those pellets penetrate the eye, they are for sure going to be blinded.
My friend accidentally got shot with a birdshot... Didn't do much damage, pallets only went like half an inch deep on his thigh, and recovered soon
As messed up as our legal system is, merely blinding your attacker for life will be considered maiming them and they may even sue _you_ for damages since they'll claim now they "can't get a job like a good citizen" (lol).