@NathanWubs true. I meant more that "being in a league" is kind of not relevant in a lot of relationships. People have types, and each person can feel lucky to have found someone they find perfect for them - neither settles or reaches.
There can be an argument that Lily might have been the settler when they started dating. However, after they broke up and Lily came back, Marshall 100% was the settler. On top of being a physical specimen, he was on his way to be a Lawyer. Lily was broke, failed art school, and didn't know what to do with life.
I'd like to argue there , when they started dating, marshall beleived it was fate , but in other episode , we can see lily claiming that it was not fate , it was her ownchoice to knock on marshall's door
@@mathematically4761 and.... in the end it was marshall choice to accept lilly after leaving him for some art project which didnt work out, she hid the fact her life was miserable in San francisco. There is alot of back and forth, but lilly always was hypocrite. Marshall had a right to be surprised by her answer when she just forgot everything.
it is basic red-pill stuff.. she gets "older" the market does not offer her good products anymore .. so she starts to take the one who is best priced at that and will eventualy scale.. marshall becoming a lawer.. scaling.. ding ding ding.. if marshall would not took her and waited a couple more years he could get what ever he wanted.
@tiffanyroberts6460 Facts!! Honestly, Marshall had such a good heart. He took a job he hated to pay off Lilly's debt, constantly gave good advice and valued family. If anything, Lilly was the reacher.
All people wants to be settler. Especially women. If you ask your wife honestly,will she ever admit in all honesty that she is someone who is lucky in the relationship. But we all knows, Lily is a failure and Marshall can have all options in life if he waits his career to mature and bear fruit a bit more.
Yes a very tall, generally handsome man, excellent lawyer, friendly, good father, tough when he needs to be, can handle himself in a fight, faithful, a love for life and it's enjoyments, the capacity for putting others first. He's everything a man should actually be.
@@caleighknight6125 yeah it was when they were both in college and Lily settled then because they tried to make him look unconfident, pimply, with braces but even by looks now Marshal is way ahead. But then she had his kids so they're even 👍
@caleighknight6125 no the question was not about looks. It was a general question of value. To women, if they're mildly pretty (be honest, she's a 6 at best), they're top shelf women. That's all she has going. She's kind of pretty in the right light. She has no other good qualities.
When they met he was a hayseed from Minnesota with burn scars on his junk from the time he spilled hot coffee on himself while naked. Despite all of that, you are still right. She pursued him, she made up a pretext to knock on his door, she told a dumb story about destiny, she reached.
Sorry cant have too good a moral system if he is friends with Barney considering the downright borderline evil BS he has been shown to use to get sex from women.
Lily is the reacher, he is an amazing, smart and kind person. She left him to go to art school where she failed miserably and asked him to drop his job as a judge.
And she lied about being a virgin, constantly puts him down, regularly talks about how hot other guys are, and always expects him to sacrifice everything he wants and loves for her. She's worthless.
@@shootaman2 The idea that your spouse can't find or express that other people are attractive is sad and weird. You're both human beings. You dont stop being attracted to other people just because your in love. All other points are completely valid. Lily is the fucking worst. To be fair though, every single one of them is a trash human being except Marshall.
Honestly if my partner goes this hard to get an answer about a question ill just give em the answer they wanna hear if its sumn so miniscule like this lmao
If your partner emotionally manipulates you into saying that they had to settle to be with you, that shows a crazy level of insecurity honestly, and I don't think pandering to something like that.
@@KaptainFalkonHonestly, if it means an end to this little thing between the two of you and continue on with your merry life, sure why not? Besides, if you’ve been in a relationship, you kinda cant be 100% honest all the time. Takes a bit of finest, and understanding to avoid emotional ditress like these sort of small issues.
Also, Lily was manipulative, childish and egocentric. There are a lot of points in the show where she creates problems because of a childish sense of justice or because she thinks she absolutely knows best, then the scenario ends with other people apologising to her or with her getting lucky and it working out well. Sure, in terms of looks she might be the settler, but in every other department (especially in the early seasons) she's the reacher
Marshall thought he was the reacher without knowing it the entire time. But I think he was the settler the whole time. He always thought Lily was a lot better than she was
Agreed!!! Honestly, when you rewatch the show you realize that Lilly didn't deserve him. Don't get me wrong, she had some character development later, but she put Marshall through alot. The fact that he found the ability to forgive her said alot about his character.
@@jackwhitbread4583she pursued him from the start, by definition she reached for him, like ted reached for robin only lily was wayyyyyyyy more successful
That's pretty much how it goes with men and women women have inherent value starting out while men have no value, The point break happens after a woman hits her 30s and a man it's just starting to fully establish himself his stock price is going up with age while hers is starting to descend
@@HareKrishnaGirl108 please get a ticket for yourself because the matrix movie is written by two trans women and people using it to be sexist are missing the point
@@byronrush9802 if you think women in their 30s are old you need an eye check, you probably can't even tell a woman's age. Women in our time's work and get paid, most don't settle for a partner for his money. Women are not born with value, female infantcide is a thing, people value baby boys more, lets be real and not delulu.
@@timothyoligarchy6484she was literally putting them in debt with her shopping addiction. She’s the reason he had to keep working a job he hated. Objectively Marshall settled for Lily.
It’s definitely the other way around with those two. He’s good looking, successful and on top of that he always stood by the woman he loved. He never lost sight of what he wanted and who he wanted it with.
No, Lily is a sweet, pretty woman who is creative, funny, adventurous, a great cook, a great friend, amazing with kids. Just because Marshall has a higher-paying job does not mean she is so far below him, or something. I get seeing Marshall as the settler if we just look at wealth/ career success/ etc, but when it comes to relationship dynamics, he was always WAY more clingy than her - I think Lily 'settled' in the sense that she agreed to a life-long, loving relationship instead of an exciting single life as an artist - which she always seemed to crave in some way, too. Marshall was always 150% "IN" the relationship, Lily 80%.
@@jaydena6297how so are you talking about the fact that most men weren't their wife's first choice, if we break down everything they contribute to the relationship and we leave out monetary wealth Marshall still wins by a landslide
The way i see it… Marshall is the reacher because he loves Lily more. not to say that Lily doesn’t love Marshall, it’s just that he’s always pining over her, always thinking of her, he’s more clingy too.
Exactly. Forget where I saw it but the guy was proud to be the settler. He asked something like who do they think the real winner in that situation is, reacher or settler? Plus she could have done way better, yet she still settled for him better than the others.
There're rare accounts when some situation occurs and the settler's come to realize he's actually the reacher. Like when a person glows up, or shows his/her unexpected side. Then they both feel lucky and respect each other. That's when relationship will be strong🙂
Too many comments picking one of them for reacher/settler and too few acknowledging that only unhealthy relationships have this kind of dynamic (which Ted and Robin had many of). Marshall and Lilly have a good, healthy and loving relationship. Both couldn't be happier to have each other, both are very lucky. If you are in any way in a reacher/settler-dynamic, get out. Its not worth it.
From what I can see the show in my research, their relationship was never really healthy, she is the only one who benefits from the relationship and he is basically just someone who loves her too much to realize that she doesn't do his life any good. .
I remember hearing something like this, except the guy was glad he was the "reacher". Like he knew she was out of his league and asked who do they think is the winner in that situation? The person that got the person better than they deserve or the one that settled?
I love how we all collectively decided that Marschall is a settler, which is 100% the true. At first Lily was the settler but as the time went on she became the reacher, he is too good for her
To paraphrase one of the commentors, Lilly ends up being a big time art consultant in Italy for a billionaire/millionaire. And Marshall was not even in law school when they first started. When they first started, they were both students in the same college and Lilly was out of his league when they started. Of course BOTH reached great potential in their lives later
If someone thinks anything other than I'm the luckiest person on earth to have their lover, they're not in love. As for marshal and Lily, marshal is a walking green flag who went to become a state judge and Lily was a disloyal person and failed painter with a shopping addiction. It's a no brainer.
Marshal was without a doubt the settler. A successful lawyer (future US Supreme court judge) tall, handsome and a freaking green forest. Lily was a kindergarten school teacher, art school failure, credit card abuser, short, average looking New yorker.
Lily was the reacher. Marshall was a loyal loving man with strong values and a good job. Lily walked out on Marshall, lied about her credit card debt and was a vengeful kleptomaniac.
If you're asking the question, you know who is who
Pretty much... settler is not going to point that out 😅
Let's be honest lily was the reacher
@@BeanMan-The-bean let's be honest... you're crazy! Lily hot af
@@TheSilentMajorityNation hot AF???
Marshall is the settler
I think often people are both lucky to find someone who's compatible with them, has a good connection.
Even with a reacher settler dynamic, this is the case. Else, the relationship would not work out.
@NathanWubs true. I meant more that "being in a league" is kind of not relevant in a lot of relationships. People have types, and each person can feel lucky to have found someone they find perfect for them - neither settles or reaches.
Typical response
Spoken like a true reacher
@Quintusblake I just don't think it's a rule. People can exist in the same "league" lol
Marshall gives “would you still love me if I was a worm” energy
Yeah he is a cool dude but he is a massive simp
I feel like there was a episode where he asked something like that
There can be an argument that Lily might have been the settler when they started dating.
However, after they broke up and Lily came back, Marshall 100% was the settler. On top of being a physical specimen, he was on his way to be a Lawyer.
Lily was broke, failed art school, and didn't know what to do with life.
And was in hella debt!! Dont forget lilly almost made marshals financial life a living hell
I'd like to argue there , when they started dating, marshall beleived it was fate , but in other episode , we can see lily claiming that it was not fate , it was her ownchoice to knock on marshall's door
Sometimes...
Sometimes...
@@mathematically4761 and.... in the end it was marshall choice to accept lilly after leaving him for some art project which didnt work out, she hid the fact her life was miserable in San francisco. There is alot of back and forth, but lilly always was hypocrite. Marshall had a right to be surprised by her answer when she just forgot everything.
it is basic red-pill stuff..
she gets "older" the market does not offer her good products anymore .. so she starts to take the one who is best priced at that and will eventualy scale.. marshall becoming a lawer.. scaling..
ding ding ding..
if marshall would not took her and waited a couple more years he could get what ever he wanted.
He's a tall, strong, smart, ambitious, good looking guy with a big heart and a bright future. To say that's settling is more than a stretch.
Don’t forget his morality, there are few tv characters more good then him
And he’s an insane fighter
@tiffanyroberts6460 Facts!! Honestly, Marshall had such a good heart. He took a job he hated to pay off Lilly's debt, constantly gave good advice and valued family. If anything, Lilly was the reacher.
@@rachelmartin5187 dude put his career on hold for her too when he was offered a judgeship
All people wants to be settler. Especially women. If you ask your wife honestly,will she ever admit in all honesty that she is someone who is lucky in the relationship. But we all knows, Lily is a failure and Marshall can have all options in life if he waits his career to mature and bear fruit a bit more.
I love the “and Oprah’s tried everything?”
Yes a very tall, generally handsome man, excellent lawyer, friendly, good father, tough when he needs to be, can handle himself in a fight, faithful, a love for life and it's enjoyments, the capacity for putting others first.
He's everything a man should actually be.
Nah bro my ideal man is gay
Yes but they're talking about looks, and those reasons are why Lily chose him
Exactly
@@caleighknight6125 yeah it was when they were both in college and Lily settled then because they tried to make him look unconfident, pimply, with braces but even by looks now Marshal is way ahead. But then she had his kids so they're even 👍
@caleighknight6125 no the question was not about looks. It was a general question of value. To women, if they're mildly pretty (be honest, she's a 6 at best), they're top shelf women. That's all she has going. She's kind of pretty in the right light. She has no other good qualities.
Lily is 100% the reacher.
It's Marshall
Nah@@blowc1612
Absolutely right.... Marshall is a freaking lawyer plus he's tall
I think Marshall always thought he was the reacher without realizing it
lmao keep telling yourself that
Marshal is way out of Lily’s league she’s the reacher, Marshal is a kind, hardworking and smart dude with a great job and good morals.
When they met he was a hayseed from Minnesota with burn scars on his junk from the time he spilled hot coffee on himself while naked.
Despite all of that, you are still right. She pursued him, she made up a pretext to knock on his door, she told a dumb story about destiny, she reached.
Yep. And she's just the opposite
😊J7uik😊@@niklascarlsson2841
He became a fucking judge
Sorry cant have too good a moral system if he is friends with Barney considering the downright borderline evil BS he has been shown to use to get sex from women.
Lily is the reacher, he is an amazing, smart and kind person. She left him to go to art school where she failed miserably and asked him to drop his job as a judge.
And she lied about being a virgin, constantly puts him down, regularly talks about how hot other guys are, and always expects him to sacrifice everything he wants and loves for her. She's worthless.
@@shootaman2 The idea that your spouse can't find or express that other people are attractive is sad and weird. You're both human beings. You dont stop being attracted to other people just because your in love.
All other points are completely valid. Lily is the fucking worst. To be fair though, every single one of them is a trash human being except Marshall.
@@shootaman2 I mean that's just women in general, but alas they have all the cards due to the way society has shifted.
@@theangler1922
lol
Guys with no game crying about how women have all the cards 😂
@@hafor2846 People with your level of intelligence are why they get away with it. :)
Honestly if my partner goes this hard to get an answer about a question ill just give em the answer they wanna hear if its sumn so miniscule like this lmao
If your partner emotionally manipulates you into saying that they had to settle to be with you, that shows a crazy level of insecurity honestly, and I don't think pandering to something like that.
So youre the settler.
@@KaptainFalkonHonestly, if it means an end to this little thing between the two of you and continue on with your merry life, sure why not? Besides, if you’ve been in a relationship, you kinda cant be 100% honest all the time. Takes a bit of finest, and understanding to avoid emotional ditress like these sort of small issues.
@@PauaPexactly
Marshall is a very good lawyer and, a very good man hes also like 7 ft tall youre definitely the reacher lilly
Look wise I'd kinda disagree, anything else I agree
I agree, Marshall a W man 🎉
Also, Lily was manipulative, childish and egocentric. There are a lot of points in the show where she creates problems because of a childish sense of justice or because she thinks she absolutely knows best, then the scenario ends with other people apologising to her or with her getting lucky and it working out well. Sure, in terms of looks she might be the settler, but in every other department (especially in the early seasons) she's the reacher
@@aidenfanucci9523Marshall was jobless for months
No it's Marshall. The decision is made when they started dating not where they ended up
Marshall thought he was the reacher without knowing it the entire time. But I think he was the settler the whole time. He always thought Lily was a lot better than she was
Agreed!!! Honestly, when you rewatch the show you realize that Lilly didn't deserve him. Don't get me wrong, she had some character development later, but she put Marshall through alot. The fact that he found the ability to forgive her said alot about his character.
Marshall is 100% the settler
He was a settler by choice tho. She knew she was the OG settler lol
No he is the reacher
@@jackwhitbread4583she pursued him from the start, by definition she reached for him, like ted reached for robin only lily was wayyyyyyyy more successful
@@jackwhitbread4583 Lily did everything she could to get him. Lily reached out to Marshall
Maybe when they started dating she was the settler, but the more time went on, he was going up in his league and she was going down.
That's pretty much how it goes with men and women women have inherent value starting out while men have no value, The point break happens after a woman hits her 30s and a man it's just starting to fully establish himself his stock price is going up with age while hers is starting to descend
@@byronrush9802So a woman's only value is looks and a man's only value is money?
@@mecommentsometimes here's 1 ticket to visit therapist for understanding the matrix
@@HareKrishnaGirl108 please get a ticket for yourself because the matrix movie is written by two trans women and people using it to be sexist are missing the point
@@byronrush9802 if you think women in their 30s are old you need an eye check, you probably can't even tell a woman's age. Women in our time's work and get paid, most don't settle for a partner for his money. Women are not born with value, female infantcide is a thing, people value baby boys more, lets be real and not delulu.
Rich, tall, muscular, attractive, well educated man with a big heart and a great personality vs small uneducated woman with a shopping addiction.
If teachers are uneducated in US, how do you get educated?
Shopping addiction? She may like shopping but I don't remember her being the one who would spend too much
@@timothyoligarchy6484There was a whole story line or she was in credit card debt
@@timothyoligarchy6484she was literally putting them in debt with her shopping addiction. She’s the reason he had to keep working a job he hated. Objectively Marshall settled for Lily.
@@timothyoligarchy6484there’s a whole episode about her many credit cards that were rejected, and how in debt these 2 were bc of it
Lily was the settler in college, but easily got outmatched by marshal afterwards.
Lilly is the teacher by far no question
Good one
At least we can all agree on that
Marshall is way out of everyone’s league on the show. He’s the best person by far.
It’s definitely the other way around with those two. He’s good looking, successful and on top of that he always stood by the woman he loved. He never lost sight of what he wanted and who he wanted it with.
The girl is clearly the reacher
Lily is quite literally, the reacher
The premise is faulty. We know how they met they were both really into each other right away.
Marshall settled for 100 leagues below him
No, Lily is a sweet, pretty woman who is creative, funny, adventurous, a great cook, a great friend, amazing with kids. Just because Marshall has a higher-paying job does not mean she is so far below him, or something. I get seeing Marshall as the settler if we just look at wealth/ career success/ etc, but when it comes to relationship dynamics, he was always WAY more clingy than her - I think Lily 'settled' in the sense that she agreed to a life-long, loving relationship instead of an exciting single life as an artist - which she always seemed to crave in some way, too. Marshall was always 150% "IN" the relationship, Lily 80%.
All wives think they’re the settler
I think you're just being misogynistic
Is he wrong tho?@@jaydena6297
@@jaydena6297how so are you talking about the fact that most men weren't their wife's first choice, if we break down everything they contribute to the relationship and we leave out monetary wealth Marshall still wins by a landslide
@@jaydena6297 all women having the confidence to believe they’re the settler is a negative?
@@jaydena6297say anything about women and it's misogyny. While women are wishing all men were dead openly and it's feminism
Lily was 100% the reacher- Marshall was amazing
Tall Lawyer with a great personality and could fight. Marshall was the settler the whole time but he never knew it
Who wouldn’t just say “I’m the reacher.” You love this person; even if you feel you settled a bit saying so will do nothing but hurt them.
They really tried to convince us that the teacher settled with the lawyer like he isn't a lawyer
The way i see it… Marshall is the reacher because he loves Lily more.
not to say that Lily doesn’t love Marshall, it’s just that he’s always pining over her, always thinking of her, he’s more clingy too.
It's funny how Marshall reaches so much for an answer without noticing he's being the reacher
Marshall is one of the best husbands (and just a great person) on TV ever, Lily is definitely the Reacher.
The worst relationships are where both believe they’re the settler, and the best are where both believe they’re the reacher
Well said
If you have to ask your definitely the reacher
You're* probably a reacher
Oprah flying to epstine island
This actually made me laugh
Epstein*
I think Marshal is both. At the beginning he was the reacher but later Marshal became the settler
Why you would let your kids on a plane with Oprah is the real question.
There is nothing bad about being the settler, it's great and you know whoever you chose lives you to the core.
Exactly. Forget where I saw it but the guy was proud to be the settler. He asked something like who do they think the real winner in that situation is, reacher or settler? Plus she could have done way better, yet she still settled for him better than the others.
And I will gladly be the reacher
Marshall 100% settled
There're rare accounts when some situation occurs and the settler's come to realize he's actually the reacher. Like when a person glows up, or shows his/her unexpected side. Then they both feel lucky and respect each other. That's when relationship will be strong🙂
Lily had too much confidence for saying that
In marriage, the lady is the reacher, in dating, the gentleman is the reacher, perfect universal Harmony.
This is perfect universal nonsense.
In a perfect relationship we are both, both.
Best friends can be awesome and at the same time absolutely your worst nightmare😂😂😂
Look at it, a bunch of Nonames tryna makes themselves believe they be differences, aw thats Just too wholesome
I've always found him to be so attractive
Too many comments picking one of them for reacher/settler and too few acknowledging that only unhealthy relationships have this kind of dynamic (which Ted and Robin had many of). Marshall and Lilly have a good, healthy and loving relationship. Both couldn't be happier to have each other, both are very lucky.
If you are in any way in a reacher/settler-dynamic, get out. Its not worth it.
From what I can see the show in my research, their relationship was never really healthy, she is the only one who benefits from the relationship and he is basically just someone who loves her too much to realize that she doesn't do his life any good. .
every relationship is like that wym
They do NOT have a healthy relationship omg what show did you watch.
Marshall was a lawyer. He's definitely the settler
Biggest but a sad truth about all relationships be it couples or friends.
I love toxic relationship dynamics being normalized by popular TV shows
"How could you say that?"
Because the reachers often offer something the settler can't find in any other person in their world
When you’re asking, you’re the reacher
I settled for marriage one. Next time I’m reaching for the stars! 🙌
Lilly literally chased Martial. He just settled so fast it was in secs
Considering that Marshall is a 6'4 lawyer I'd say Lily is 100% the reacher.
She was just hedging her bets he became a successful judge
I remember hearing something like this, except the guy was glad he was the "reacher". Like he knew she was out of his league and asked who do they think is the winner in that situation? The person that got the person better than they deserve or the one that settled?
I asked my husband and he said “yes”
I love how we all collectively decided that Marschall is a settler, which is 100% the true. At first Lily was the settler but as the time went on she became the reacher, he is too good for her
Marshal is the lawyer, future supreme court judge, not the one with credit card debt.
Lily was the reacher...if one of them was a reacher.
Lily for the streets 💯
Lily was for sure the reacher
This Robin character is just wrong for the part and I think she ruined the whole show. She must have been sleeping with someone.
Marshall is a 6'5" lawyer in "not bad" shape. Lily's the reacher.
Lilly was the reacher. She’s lucky to have Marshall and he became a judge.
Thing is, you're both on the same level whether you like it or not. If you're the settler you devalued yourself
To paraphrase one of the commentors, Lilly ends up being a big time art consultant in Italy for a billionaire/millionaire. And Marshall was not even in law school when they first started.
When they first started, they were both students in the same college and Lilly was out of his league when they started. Of course BOTH reached great potential in their lives later
Marshall was definitely the settler
Lily wishes Marshall was the reacher lol.
Marshall is definitely the settler
They are both each the reacher and settler
She just needed him to stop asking lol. She knew he wouldn't believe she was the reacher
Lilly was so fking Lucky lmao it isn't even a question
I feel incredibly lucky to have my wonderful partner, and they say they feel lucky to have me
Don't ask the question if you can't take the answer
Opera kidnapping kids on a plane, probably taking them to a special island
I hate when people don’t answer the question
Sure the preschool teacher settled for the lawyer
Don't forget the flip-flop relationships . .sometimes it starts one way but switches as time progresses
Bro said he's daughter is a bullet💀
Nah bro marshell was a judge he was insanely smart no way he was the reacher
Lily was the actual settler
I 100% wanna be the reacher, it means I've punched way above my weight 😂
She’s the reacher BY far. From a looks perspective maybe, but whole package, Marshall is a good dude, good dad, and has a great job
If someone thinks anything other than I'm the luckiest person on earth to have their lover, they're not in love. As for marshal and Lily, marshal is a walking green flag who went to become a state judge and Lily was a disloyal person and failed painter with a shopping addiction. It's a no brainer.
You use a jack to jack things up.... so this is the inception of Jack Reacher!
This is true but it often changes over time.
Lily is the reacher, marshal let her think she wasn’t
"...and, Oprah has tried everything...?" LOL
Soooo Barney is the settler right? 😂
Honestly he’s probably the settler when it comes to being a decent person tho 😂
Marshal was without a doubt the settler. A successful lawyer (future US Supreme court judge) tall, handsome and a freaking green forest. Lily was a kindergarten school teacher, art school failure, credit card abuser, short, average looking New yorker.
The man is never the settler
Lilly was the reacher, for sure
Okay, Lily is definitely the reacher
Marshall is a future judge obviously Lily is the reacher
Lily is categorically the reacher
Lily was the reacher. Marshall was a loyal loving man with strong values and a good job. Lily walked out on Marshall, lied about her credit card debt and was a vengeful kleptomaniac.
Lily was definitely the reacher