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The Type 81 LMG in Civilian Form: Norinco Model 313
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- The Norinco 313 is the semiauto commercial variation of the Type 81 LMG. The Type 81 was a small arms family of rifle and LMG developed to finally replace the SKS and RPD in Chinese military service. When the Chinese and Soviets parted ways, China was making milled AKs, but did not have the stamped AKM technical data package. They had adopted the AK in the submachine gun role, but had retained use of the SKS as an infantry standard rifle. The Type 63 AK/SKS hybrid was developed in the 1960s, but was not successful enough to replace the SKS. This situation finally came to a head in 1979 with the first Sino-Vietnamese War, and China decided it really had to modernize its small arms.
Under the lead of Wang Zi Jun, the Type 81 was developed. It started both AK and SKS design elements, with a rotating bolt and stamped receiver like the AKM, but a short stroke gas piston like the SKS. It was chambered for the 7.62x39mm cartridge, specifically to be an interim system until development of the 5.8x42mm cartridge could be completed. In particular, the Type 81 was developed to be more accurate than the AK - and it did this successfully, with trials showing it to be 40% more accurate at 300m in semiautomatic fire than the AK.
The Type 81 rifles were equipped with 30-round magazines, and the LMG variant could use those or a 75-round drum. The box magazines are very similar in appearance to AK magazines, but not directly interchangeable, as the Type 81 includes a hold open feature to lock the bolt open when the magazine is empty.
The Type 81 family would go into mass production in 1986, and serve as China’s standard rifle and LMG through the 1990s. It was also sold to a number of foreign countries including Algeria, Bangladesh, Burma, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. Norinco imported a very small number of semiauto civilian versions into the United States in the late 1980s, of which this is one.
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Shout out to all the fellow Canadians who are watching this after they just bought new production Type 81 LMG's today.
Lol just bought one
I can’t wait till mine shows up!!
Ha good call. That's exactly why im here.
hoping to get one in the next shipment
Just got mine. Very heavy for a 5-shot rifle but it's certainly of machine gun stature.
Have seen a Type 63 myself in China.
That was summer 2015. It was during the mandatory military training post university admission. We were to be told how to aim and shoot a gun, so some was instructed by the drill instructor to fetch the rifle from the school's Department of People's Armed Forces. I was one of them. It was a small dark room, and these rifles were stacked against the wall, without magazine. Due to the wooden stock, the wooden handguard and the lack of magazine I thought these were Type 56 SKSes, but when I actually got one I noticed that there were places on the guns for magazines I realized these were the mythical Type 63s. These seemed relatively untouched, most even didn't have the folded spike bayonet sharpened. Shame I hadn't much knowledge about that back then, and the time we were allowed to touch these guns were short anyway.
We didn't get to shoot these. We were told that on the range we would shoot QBZ-95s, but at the range (it was a base stationed with People's Armed Police) we were again told that due to the amount of stockpiled 7.62*39 ammo and that they were about to surplus some Type 56 SKSes, they arranged us to shoot these instead. 5 round a person, and everyone got to shoot it(again, it was mandatory). This is one of the rare occasion to actually legally shoot guns as a civilian in mainland China.
Also got the chance to field strip a Type 81 assault rifle during the mandatory military training post high school admission. It was 2012 so I can't remember that much, but after watching this video it kinda reminds me all these stuff.
i saw alot of type 63 in vietnam.
We didn’t get to use type 81s during my training, so I ended up buying a semi type 81 here in Canada.
sounds much like SEU
@@user-sx5xr5qh1v Nah, Zhejiang University when the Type 63 experience took place.
The Norinco has a shooting range that is commercially open to the civilian public in Beijing. It's just ridiculously expensive. You can be easily charged more than 1000 yuan(~$200) for just shooting a few guns for a few rounds.
Fun fact, despite all type 81 rifles have rifle grenade capability, those grenades that are supposed to be used with the launcher were never really issued to the troops…………very very few people have actually seen one of those grenades in real life.
Pretty much same thing happened with Finnish RK95 rifle.
Why? Sounds like a good video topic hehe.
Cool fact, thank you
i have two rifles, one with a wood stock and other is a folder (check my vids) .
i think the GL is a stupid idea, its like have a fixed bayonet, all that weight and its hardly used.
Don't understand why rifle grenades weren't used more often. A company size volley of rifle grenades would pretty well wipe out an opposing force in open country. Or easily take out a tank.
Hey Ian. I have the regular "rifle" model of the Type 81. It's the closest thing we can get to an AK47 pattern rifle here in Canada anymore. I used to say that about my CZ 858 tactical 2 but I think the 81 looks even closer. You can get AK47 mags to work in the Type 81 if you notch out the top back of the mag and file down the front top. There is videos on here that show how its done and I have done it and it works. Only thing is the bolt hold open does not engage when empty if you have an AK mag in an 81 but that's not that big of a deal. Thank you for all the great videos and this one for sure. Keep up the good work and cheers from Canada.
Jim Squire agreed, this is probably the closest to a Kalashnikov variant we can have, other than the extremely rare and costly Valmets kicking around in 30-06, 308, 223, and one or two in x39. That said, I think I prefer the VZ58 as a comblock gat over the Norinco
@@bilodeaumichael3 Wolverine has some Valmets in 308 and 30-06 in stock and the prices aren't bad.
Make one wonder why they only target ARs and AKs when you can get a slew of other firearms that accomplish the same task.
@@cooliobob1274 because evil guns >:(
@@ExplosiveFetus I thought Valmets were prohib? Or are you guys the ultimate of licensed owners?
I just want to thank the old Cali triad in the 80’s for bringing weapons from home to our shores. May your ancestors and decedents smile upon you.
The 80's were awesome in SoCal. Lots of firearm industry/importers at the time in Arcadia, Irwindale, Monrovia, El Monte, Chino, and Ontario to mention a few.
What's funny is when Reagan was governor of California he actually tightened gun laws.
@@dylanhaugen3739 he did the exact same thing as president.
@@dylanhaugen3739 why is that funny reagan is why you cant buy full autos anymore
@@dylanhaugen3739 It's not funny at all... Reagan is known for passing gun laws. He gave us that little gem called the Hughes amendment...
The "broken cartridge extractor" in the tool kit was notched to serve as a tool to adjust the gas system. Neat.
The broken cartridge extractor looks like a broken cartridge.
Look up all the uses of the AKM tool kit. It's pretty incredible.
Buttstock compartments? That's a funny way of saying the M&M's box.
No, the M&M's box goes in the hole in front of the trigger guard... Politicians are jealous of the armed civilian having the ability to carry more candy-coated chocolate treats than they can.
How else would you get snacks into the cinema?
How to find a guy who isnt from the U.S. step1: what does he call movie theaters?
A) the movies
B) the cinema
A-merican
B-ritish
It’s called the crayon compartment in a marines’ M16
Do you mean knock-off chocolate beans?
I like to watch your videos to calm down. You're like Bob Ross, just with weapons.
me too
Word never thought of it that way, but you a right he is the Bob Ross of guns.
Happy little bipods.
The way the rear sight can release the upper handguard was really neat and elegant.
Owning one, its kinda a stupid design... very stiff and hard on the hands. SKS style lever is way better
@@B52Stratofortress1 Once you break it in enough, it's really quite easy. Mine wasn't even that bad from the box.
Accordingly to my research, there are 4 of these type 81 LMG’s in the US, 2 in the 7.62x39 and 2 in the 556. They were imported for ATF importation evaluation. I recently acquired the other one in 7.62 from Larry Vickers.
Dear Lan.
I Chinere， GUN lover，now live in japan,
I have many Chinese friends like shooting and guns. They live in Canada and the United States.I often go to them to experience shooting.
Although my English is super poor, I can only speak Chinese and Japanese, and a little Russian.
Your explanation and introduction are very interesting and objective without any prejudice or other negative things.
China have many interesting weapons，Firearms are an interesting things，Now is a peaceful era, and firearms can also be a fine piece of industrial art..For various reasons, many interesting Chinese guns are unknown.
LanI would be very grateful if you could continue to introduce some unknown weapons from China and other Asian countries, because everything about guns is interesting, interesting and artistic except killing people.
Your program gives me great pleasure.
Thank you 谢谢
Your English is great!
I heard Hong Kong is a great vacation spot right now with this era of peace. lol
@@KC-bg1th lol the us is super safe ;););););)
Dude, you seen those videos of your countrymen firing cool weapons in a shooting range on Guam?
Soviet plagiarism of counterfeit Chinese guns
This rifle, or it’s brother, has been making the rounds, each time increasing considerably in price. First time I saw it pop up was in a MG forum for sale for something like $1000 in the early 2000s and it has been regularly appearing since, adding a few K to the price 🤣
when my father was a soldier in 1980s he really like the type 81 family
Amazingly simple, clean, beaultiful and functional design.
A few years ago I was at the Yellowstone shooting range here in Wisconsin and a guy had that exact gun plus a bunch of different firearms. Very cool
Canada now has the LMG version just came out today, just like this one!
All ready sold out, i tried to buy one
Ian, is the man! I would love to meet this guy and talk firearms all day. He could point out all the junk I thought were treasures in my safes. Love the videos and the knowledge this guy has.
That looks so old school Chinese.
KURTONOIRTECH9 Anything from an ak
It’s so...ugly
Treiber04 I agree
@@Fofiddly
I love it, it just looks like a stretched ak
@@Fofiddly i feel its fine, just looks like a larger AK.
Having a safety designed for right handed people, the short stroke piston and a last round bolt hold open makes this thing better than an AK on paper.
Ian finally get his hands on one of these. First time I ever see a lmg version. Thank you for uploading Ian.
Thank you Ian! Type 81 lmg landed last week here.(Tactical imports) $1499 cad so $1120 USD if you do the conversions.Greetings from Canada!
Thanks again Ian for covering Chinese weapons, is there any chance you could get your hands on a technical package just to show what you get etc.
l'm have a Chinese small arms film,here:czcams.com/video/Rq04WDdi3Mo/video.html
My guess would be no. I can't speak for Soviet arms, but generally "package" is a bit of a euphemism. It's more than just a stack of documents or a parcel. When my company wants to introduce a new product to a contract manufacturer, we will among other things send engineers to provide instruction and supervision. I would imagine that for something like guns you very well might send tooling as well, because even with very good drawings, starting from absolute scratch is nearly as much work as a new design would be. Once the line is up and running you can more easily replicate tooling as it wears out. But if all you send is drawings of the parts and drawings of the tooling to make the parts... They may not have to figure out processes for making the parts, but instead they have to figure out processes for making the tooling. It's sort of like explaining creation of the universe using "God": you still have to explain the creation of God, so ultimately you're left with the same complexity of bootstrapping.
But if I'm wrong it would be cool to see.
@@marshaul
Way to bring a topic that has nothing to do with firearms into the discussion.
@@cooliobob1274 its called an analogy, and it helps illustrate points. But get angry cause "muh gawd" was questioned
@@cooliobob1274 It does though. The "technical data package" for a gun is not just a set of dimensions and machinist drawings. It's everything you need to know to start production. A monkey with a set of calipers can take a rifle and give you dimensional drawings. The TDP would include what order to make the cuts in, which tools (1/4" ball nose end mill vs 2" shell mill etc) you need for each machining operation, how to hold the part in the machine so you can get at all the parts you need to cut, how to make the jigs and clamps used in those work holdings, what grades of steel to use, what heat treatment each part requires, tolerances for each part so they run smoothly.....
It's an enormous amount non-gun information that goes into making a gun. It's not just the blueprints, it's all the knowledge that it takes to use them effectively.
In Canada we only have the rifle length version right now, both fixed stock and folding. No LMG models to my knowledge. It retails about $1k CAD. All the guns are newly manufactured overruns for (if I remember correctly) Bangladesh, no milsurps whatsoever. Apparently there will only be two more shipments to Canada for the foreseeable future according to the importer so they will be $~2k guns in 10 years.
but why would they stop production after two more shipments?
@@gnutzguy They made them all at once, and only ship about 500 to a thousand at a time to create artificial scarcity.
i dont think so cos it makes no business sense to have them sitting around for months and taking up warehouse space. btw. its not Bangladesh cos they produce their own.
@@gnutzguy I am a member of the Canadian gun forums and people who have bought rifles from the later shipments have gotten rifles with the same 2017 production dates that the first shipment had. Believe it or not, this is what happened. The importer had to wait about 4 years to get the guns actually produced in the first place, since the Canadian market is so small the Chinese factories would not have tooled up to produce such a small order (less than 5000) unless they were already making a large amount of Type 81 rifles for a military order.
There was huge backlash and many people were angry and cancelling their pre orders because it was thought they would never come. The second and third shipments came as a surprise as it was initially advertised that only 1000 rifles were coming and this would be a once in a lifetime opportunity. There was some backlash over this as well. The importer likely knew they wouldn't get another chance to get Type 81's made for a long time (until another military order comes in) so made as many as they could afford when the factory was working and are now drip feeding them into the country.
yes, the importer is a master of promotion of their product, thats why i take everything they say with a grain of salt. this is my understanding, the first production-first shipment was produced in early 2017, then production switched for someone else and resumed for us in late 2017 which appeared in 2018 as our first production-second shipment. the shipment arriving next month should be marked 2018, if 2017 then you would be right.
Hi Ian! This spring in Canada, 2 new versions of the Type 81 carbine came in. They called Type81M. Basically, think of the LMG without carrying handle and with 18.5 inch barrel instead of the 20,5 inch. Still the barrel is heavy contour. One version have a fixed wood stock,the other have AK style under folder. I wanted the fixed stock version but they sold out so fast, did'nt have time lol. The under folder remain available but i am not a fan of folder so i wait the next batch to get a fixed stock but will only come next year... The finish of the new version is not as nice as the blued LMG we got before but still guys up here enjoy them.
That corn cob carry handle reminds me of the forend of an ithaca 37. Probably the most aesthetically pleasing aspect of the gun.
looks so handsome look at the bold lines, the sleek profile the robust enough mindset behind every bolt and nut.
I know someone who was a PLA soldier in late 60s to early 70s guarding the Sino-Indian border. He never used an SKS and they all carried AKs. It seems that the PLA also ditched SKS from frontline use in that period.
There was Def an owner watching this who just now realized they had a cleaning kit in the stock
Please do a series on small arms development during active conflict covering the broader picture of the conflict too. You're a great orator and easy to learn from.
A low poly rpk
Luis Santiago but did you forgot about Dre?
@@luissantiago5163 Chinese RPD is the type 56 LMG
That was the last Chinese rifle with Soviet blood lineage. Type-97 family that became standard has smaller caliber, black polymer material, modular design, detachable grenade launcher ... more of Eugene Stoner's M-16, AR-15 design concepts.
Type 81s were never officially adopted or trialed by Burma (Myanmar) army but they did reach to the hands of ethnic rebel groups close to China. In fact some of the ethnic rebel groups (such as KIA, NDAK, WA etc.) do have small arms factories and they produce their own version of the Type 81 themselves (some of those Type 81s even reach to ethnic rebles in India as well).
Ian! Do you plan to take a closer look at the Groza? It's a really interesting weapon platform.
Given that it's only used by the Spetsnaz, it's unlikely any examples exist outside of Russia.
If he can find one I bet he'd love to do a video on it
@WrathMachine yeah, but it is a weapon platrofm above all and we don't have many of those. Alas, I guess we have to wait until Gun Jesus blesses us with his visit to the Motherland
I just hope that some day larry vickers takes ian for a trip to kalashnikov concern to do videos on guns like this one. (Also ak107 and whatnot.)
@@anzaca1 even the VSS now has a civilian version (simi auto only) being sold in Russia right now, shouldn't be too hard to find a groza
Ian your videos are so amazing man! ive shared them with a lot of friends, its so cool to see not only some very rare guns but someone who knows the history of how they were made. Love it man.
When I heard we were getting Type-81s in Canada I'd hoped we might get some of these LMGs too, the sight radius on the rifles is pretty short since the front sight is right in front of the gas block rather than at the muzzle. Didn't stop me from buying a rifle though, it's a comfortable and shoots pretty well, and I get a lot of comments about it at the range :)
Utterly fascinating. I had no idea it even existed!
As a college student I was able to tear it down and put it back in 1.5min with no guidance at all. Just all the FW I have seen is enough
@@LOLHAMMER45678 you mean the INSAS development .
@@LOLHAMMER45678 INSAS development is kinda like SA80's development but done a bit faster and cheaper which also led a similar performing rifle,
in SA80 AR18 was the mother design whereas in INSAS it was mix of FNFAL, AK and G3 .
Reportedly the INSAS family of rifles is to be replaced with AK203s soon because Indian armed forces were impressed with the performance of 7.62x39mm in urban anti insurgency ops .
1 min 5 seconds or one and a half minutes ?
@@RaferJeffersonIII one and a half
Which shows that it is a good weapon, for one to be able to easily pull it apart and put it back together with no prior knowledge of what it looks like inside
i've seen one of these here locally in canada, it had a 5-round mag with a big metal wedge in it so you couldn't feed anymore
That's because Canada sucks. Fuck Canada.
That sounds like Tecknoheresy.
Was that a drum?
@@blackbird8632 oh sorry, i should have specified, it was not! it was a banana style magazine
@@natenizz8930 our gun laws might suck, but atleast our country isn't run by a veteran-hating draft dodger who thinks stealth aircraft are invisible to the naked eye, and that the M4 sherman is still in service :P
It's very interesting that in October 2000 there was a red dot sight applicated for this gun, to be installed on the rear of it's receiver's cover some how.But few people had actually seen that sight.
Didn't expect the sight adjustment knob to be a load-bearing part.
You’re ability teaching skills are excellent, So refreshing! Just great interesting presentation!
In sino-vietnam war, only previous batches of PLA troops are using SKS rifle as service weapon. The main force use Type56 AK replace the mostly Type56 SKS rifle before they enter vietnam.
The Chinese ban / 68 GCA and 89 Import ban are stupid. Id love to see more of these in the states
I have had both the fixed stock and folding stock here in Canada, its a cool gun
an American living in Canada? fleeing the political situation?
@@davidoftheforest5 round magazines unless it’s internal or a pistol magazine, inconsistent import laws (AR-15 is prohibited but not the AR-18). No full auto. No 50 cal (except for muzzleloaders).
Overall rating: Better than California/10
@@alexzhao9868 😂
the best of an AK, SKS, and RPK. nice.
This has just become available in Canada!
I think it's pretty cool how the rear sight drum works to retain the gas tube as well
Yeah that's crazy, the gas system, bolt carrier, and firing looks they used elements from the sks, and the AK.
Rock Island Estimate Price: $7,000 - $12,000
It will go for more.
It's not really a rip off its kind of a unicorn in the states, probably more common in Canada even
@WrathMachine is it the same as an ak?
Super common in Canada. You can pick up an excellent used gun for $700 or new for $1,000. So that would be $580-$800 US.
Me and my buddy laugh at the Chinese weapons now wish bought some
Isn't it a bad idea to make bypod fixed on horizontal axis? Makes switching targets really inconvenient, doesn't it?
Most wars in East Asia were/are fought from fortified positions with few entry points, effectively creating bottlenecks for any opposing force. These would definitely shine in those situations.
@@arifhossain9751 Still, seems like a relatively simple feature to add.
Boomerisadog I’m guessing somewhat inconvenient target switching was worth it for the bipod stability to the designers
I think this is designed as a SAW, which means the one using this, rather than picking off targets, are meant to suppress enemy position and cover your squad. Since you're suppressing a general position/ direction, you don't need a complicated bipod for the fancy stuff, you just need it for the stabilization.
Also maybe consider the fact that this weapon is meant to arm an army of several millions in a dire situation of the need to replace outdated weapons. I guess a cent saved is a cent saved, as long as the work is done.
Hybrid AK, SKS, VZ58. I like how he didn't want to show us the rusty piston head. Funny.
The original Type-81 had a wooden stock, just like this LMG. The ones had folding stocks were Type 81-1s, which were much more widely seen.
It is the standard lmg and assault rifle in Bangladesh...we adopted this family of weapons in 2008...as BD-08....the folding stock versions only
Is it well liked by the people who use them?
@@lavrentivs9891 yeah never heard any complaints about it's functional capability.. it's pretty reliable durable accurate enough for a military rifle and easy to maintain....but the problem is it's an old rifle the Chinese guys only made it for a short period of time since they were already working on a new cartridge and rifle so they never really bothered to upgrade it that much....and now a days every military is using modern optics....you can't really put those on easily.....
Seen plenty of pictures on the interwebs of Bangladeshi military with them. Very cool!
Can the public in Bangladesh own the rifle?
@@gnutzguy they can...semi auto only....but the thing is it's pretty rare and expensive plus...they are still being used so we don't have like any surplus sales
A batch of civilian LMG version just came in canada, already sold. More on the way before end of year. Already have a Type 81 rifle, i need to get the LMG aswell!
It's actually a pretty nice rifle
Like Ian said, if you don't have a cartridge to adjust the gas you really have no reason to adjust it anyway, but it looks like the broken cartridge extractor in the cleaning tool kit can be used for that function as well.
Ian looks like you should come to Canada again to review the type 81 they are unrestricted here and you should have no problem finding a shop to let you review it. You can also get your Tim Hortons fix at the same time
Similar to the vz58 gas system. Cross of vz & sks trigger looked like.
81 series hits vitamines badly. Godd weapon love it
I got one myself yesterday! Second shipment to come in canada. Cant wait to get it home.
Thanks to TI, $1499 in Canada now!
More about the history of this gun:
China decided to replace the 7.62x54R cartridge with a SCHV one way back in 1971, and the Type81 is actually a transition thing, the development of new small caliber firearms was started in 1978. In 1987 they got the QBZ87 rifle and the DBP87 cartridge, but the military wasn't satisfied with them. So we got QBZ95 which was basically not been issue in a large scale until the new century.
Those 75 round drum magazines are a pain to load.
Not reallly. Search for a video. Time consuming, but not hard.
The ChiCom drum isn't so bad. To me. And the ones I've owned worked well. They were made by Norinco.
Nope, easier to load than most drums.
im pretty sure this is a common one today being used in middle east. 7.62x39, ak-sks combo.. what could go wrong
It isn't. The mag is different from a AK one, and short stroke piston do need some maintain
They showed up even at Balkan war in 90's and were liked for accuracy better than AK
Thank you gun Jesus for introducing more Chinese firearms.
It's interesting the Chinese had to design a new rifle where the Soviets accurized the AK with the 5.45 and the Finns with the RK62
To be fair, relatively little of this is actually "new". It looks very like it was designed with existing tooling in mind, while moving to a more practical operating method for the gun itself. For a company reliant on the sort of turnover rates that were required by the party (5.45 had been in development for a while in Russia as opposed to the quick Chinese decision to improve half their small arms arsenal) and with limited manufacturing quality options, this is a very ingenious and effective solution to their problem.
It's not that they "had to" but because they didn't want to be seen as a Soviet client. China wanted their own tanks and aircraft too, but rifles were much easier
After the Vietnam War, China wanted to develop a new rifle that has the reliability of the AK-47 but with the accuracy and range of the M-16. So type 81 is an attempt for China to make the Type 56 (an AK-47 variant) more like M-16, an accurate rifle with full automatic capability, not just a sub-machine gun.
We can get this in Canada for $1500 now
Which is crazy as its 5x more Expensive in the US and Canada it's like one of the few guns we have more access to then the US
"simple" minute of angle measurement
That wooden handguard is charmingly communistic.
That is a Chinese style handguard, because China doesn't hold much walnut tree or other traditional gun wood, so sometimes they have to use some wood with extreme light color
An elegant solution to the ak safety hole. Must be significantly better for mud.
If only they would shift the grip forward, maybe make the stock higher.
these go for like 900 dollars Canadian. yet we aren't allowed any kind of AK patern rifle except the very few valmets that were imported before the import ban.
they go for $12,000 plus
Wolverine just imported valmet m88 for sale for C$3600
@@gnutzguy 3600 for an ak actioned 30-06 hunting rifle with a semi pistol grip.
mehh
an sks in a tapco stock is more of an ak than that thing
We have to replace the AK !
How about with an AK ?
Brilliant !
I've a lot of nostalgia for the Type 81. It's the rifle that I always imagine the Chinese using when they put me to death by firing squad, as this is how the Gypsy said I was to die.
If you are not Boss,it is not very possible to kill you ,a foreigner
I wish regular Aks had a bolt hold open
That was rejected by the Russian military. They didn't like the idea of a big open hole to the chamber right in the moment when a soldier rolling in a mud/sand/snow searching for a new mag. The problem could be partly solved by adding an ejection port cover but they don't like added complexity either.
For a civilian market it's non a problem at all, but a standard mag has no specific follower feature.
I didn't know about these. Learned something new today.
it's so nice to wake up to a new video with gun jesus informing me of cool things, cheers ian
Fun fact, I just bought one. A shipment just arrived in Canada.
A Canadian retailer just brought a few of these on.
Managed to order one before they were sold out and I'm so very excited.
Here in Canada the type 81 is non-restricted.. meaning you don't have to register it so the government doesn't know you have one or if you have 10. Same deal with the Type 97 bullpup in 5.56. however a civilian version of the AK is PROHIBITED.
Canadian gun laws are something. Center fire semi auto rifles are only allowed a capacity of 5 rounds. So many magazines have a 2 cent rivet in them to block them off so only 5 fit. Like I said. Canadian firearm laws are something.
北方工业产的复刻版，实际上生产质量比我们用过的军81要更好，我的81上机匣盖要用拳头敲才能卡到位~。其实81综合性能相当不错，控制性比56冲好太多了。可惜国家把他定位为过度枪，没有扩展接口，上机匣盖也不稳，无法使用磁吸套件装镜子，在当前算是废了。
7:13 Looks a bit like a welrod magazine!
Re: the comments on Norinco firearms. I purchased a brand new Norinco MAK-90 post ban for $185 in 1995. Other than the ugly and almost useless thumb hole stock the difference between it and a stamped receiver Chinese AK were removal of bayonet lug, removal of the muzzle brake and its attachment threads and cleaning rod. Came with a Norinco 5 round mag which is still in its original oiled paper wrapping. Receiver is 1.5mm ( vs 1.0mm for most others) thick material and accepts any reasonably made 30 or 40 round AK mag. I've changed out the wood with Warsaw Pact polymer furniture, Houge pistol grip, added a T 2 trigger assembly, a polymer recoil buffer and a better front sight post. Off the bench it shoots consistent 2 MOA groups at 100 yds with decent ammo. Never have had any wear or breakage problems, FTF or FTE problems. Some AK "experts" regard that vintage Chinese AKs along with the Finnish Valmets ( AK 2.5) as the best AKs available to the general public. My experience supports this for overall quality and durability. Norinco can be a quality builder.
*3:30am*
Everyone: *sleeping*
Ian: hey check out this cool civilian LMG
Lucky Asian me I just got back home, just in time to see gun jesus
OMG, If I am not in California. I will bid on it for sure.
1.78 inches equates roughly to 45 millimetres so at 100 metres it would be approximately 4.5 minutes of angles requirement.
@@MollyGermek Just realised that, thanks for pointing that out.
Double check conversions before building space rockets.
WhiskeyWhiskers but if it can only get 50% into that grouping, then that wouldn’t really be correct either. Without knowing how far off the mark is the remaining 50% would be, it can’t be said that this a 1.54 moa rifle. It would necessarily have to be worse than that, but difficult to say how much worse.
We have rifle versions of them in Canada. Awesome rifles
Perfect deer rifle for Canada 🇨🇦.
You can tell the last shooter/owner never bothered much with cleaning the gas system....
Ian has unicorns, Larry has moon rocks.
who knows maybe they will use those during the tiannamen square 2.0 remake
They... kinda... did?
This is great rifle based on performance in Vitneam
Type-63 was such a pain in the ass that some troops were sending letters to HQ to get their Type-56 semi(SKS) back.
Civilian lmg
Holy words right there.
Really Ian? You just couldn't help yourself from pulling the cleaning kit out right after telling us it probably hasn't ever been removed 😆👍
Awesome! I will love to see a review of the H&K GR9c... Hope one day you get your hands on one of those...
Perfect combination of ak/vz 58/svd
Thanks for covering the Chinese weapons. If it’s possible would you like to review the new norinco assualt rifles? The NAR family. Thank you so much
That short stroke gas system probably has good reliability.
Ian, would you ever do a video on the Norinco SKS?
in particular, the one with the thumb whole grip and uses AK 47 magazines
I know the one your talking about I had one the rare sks paratrooper. I converted mine to full auto and modified stock so it would except drum mags also. Too bad the ATF got mine. It's actually on my CZcams video. Search (Me before I was busted by the ATF)
always nice to see Ian taking a look at non American or German weapons