PSYCHOLOGIST DR JOHN MATTHIAS on CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL
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Dr John Matthias is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years' experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney's offices and defense attorneys in several states.
He has appeared in documentaries and long form newscasts, and hosts the popular Hidden True Crime Podcast with his journalist wife Lauren Matthias.
In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master's degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California.
Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. - Zábava
I just LOVE how Dr John has grown in confidence over the last couple of years. His opinions were always so interesting but these days his enthusiasm and humour is also shining through! Dr J - you’re just a delight!
Love his humor coming out!
Yah, what she said
Absolutely
Yes!
I just LOVE the way Lauren looks at him. I think it’s so sweet. She looks at him like his mind is what gets her going! They are such a powerhouse couple together!!! 🫶🏼🫶🏼
Chad is going to be shedding in his pants when he is found guilty.
Hopefully he will be guilty for being evil with JJ,Tyler,and Tammy
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Funny! Chad really believes he is beyond reproach and therefore thinks he will get off. I wonder if we will see any emotion when the guilty verdict is announced
That’s funny 😂
1) SHED happens
2) I shed a tear.
3) It was a case of he shed, she shed.
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YOU WIN the internet today!!! Lololololzzzzz 😂
This should be a T-shirt.
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Touché my friend, touché and yes, this should be a t-shirt 😂
I can’t get the lyrics of Party Rock Anthem out of my head. Instead of Every day I’m shufflin’, I hear Every day I’m sheddin’! 😂
I had no idea Dr. John was an absolute riot as well as our favorite expertly expert of expertise! Tonight was so much fun after a pretty stressful day in court. 😂
Lauren is the very best. She dries her hair, will film with no makeup and eats her pizza… does whatever it takes 2b the best journalist ever. ❤️❤️❤️
She’s so genuine
Yes!!!!
LOVE Lauren!
A beautiful woman who is relaxed about her appearance. 😘
She is awesome.
I was horribly shocked at Emma’s testimony. Thank you Dawson for your compassion, you are a good man and I appreciate your opinion.
Emma's husband needs to be aware if his life insurance gets increased.
She's robotic and I actually thought she'd be held out as a hostile witness the way she was w the prosecutor.. ugh.. she abhorrent.
Lds thing.... I've experienced it.
Love this humor in spite of the horror of this crime. Dr. John is so right on !!! 😊
@ruby1037
Same thing I have been thinking. Obviously they seem to be in agreement with all these unalivings (including their mother's) and are annoyed that the police had the audacity to investigate the two kids no longer living and who were found in their father's backyard 🙄
Vincent Bugliosi the author of "Helter Skelter" about the Charles Manson murders was the prosecuting attorney that convicted Manson & some of his followers. Explains in the book how important it was to get the jury on board with the notion that Manson did not have to be physically present to have gotten the victims murdered. It was Manson's "philosophy and teachings" that guided his followers to murder.
Read this book twice & another book he wrote regarding OJ Simpson before Bugloiosi passed. Enjoyed his style & analysis.
Read "Helter Skelter" when I was in high school. So good. Loved all of Bugliosi's books. Was very sad when he passed.
Mr. Bugliosi was a lecturer in a college course I took as part of my major in CJ/DOC. I still have the tape from his lecturer. He was ahead of his time.
I read that paperback book when I was 10 yrs old and I truly believe that’s what led to my love of true crime
What Manson did was no different than a Mafia boss ordering one or more of his underlings to perform a hit.
Wow Lauren, you are one busy woman! Court all day with a lunch pod, interview, and now a night podcast. You're amazing 👏
Thank y’all!! You’re the best.
She needs to be careful. Too obsessed.
And always looks so gorgeous!
Tylee’s dna was on the sharp end of the tools. That’s the important dna!
If I had been Wood I would have approached the podium with a wipe to get rid of Prior's shedding. What an optic that would have been!
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THAT BRIEF CONVERSATION CHAD HAD W/EMMA FROM THE SQUAD CAR - 100% PROVES CHAD’S SELF GUILT! EMMA CAN’T BE THAT STUPID!!! 😮
She clearly is!
She's in denial....
And she knows Prior, she may have not met him in person but he has a lien on that property. She and Joseph pay him for staying there at the property.
When dad is an ATM they will forgive anything. They will carry the shame the rest of their lives.
Yes if it was me. I da said. Someone has killed....and they put them in my yard! I,m in trouble but will help with what l can, poor kids.
Let us not forget that Lori was convicted with way less evidence than has been presented against Chad in my opinion
Was thinking the same thing. Way less physical evidence, circumstantial can still get the deal done.
but she was a woman, generally man are more perceived as innocent
Oh wow! Mic drop. Yes, he is a snake so he should know much about shedding 🤣
Why wouldn’t the DNA be relevant for Tylee? Ah, got it thank you for the explanation
We wouldn’t expect the Slug’s DNA to be on poor little JJ. It seems that JJ was killed at the condo, put in bags. Slug dug the grave.
If Chad’s phone is not pinging anywhere-not just not his property-his phone is most likely at his property!!!
I find that more suspicious than if he had left it on. No pings anywhere no proof he was off the property then why leave it off.
Exactly & hopefully there's some jurors with those critical thinking skills that will understand that the fact that his phone was unaccounted for that day (& only that day) and not pinging anywhere else means something.
I don’t understand why it didn’t ping when he texted Tammy about the raccoon 🦝
And OFF.
Where was it pinging after the time in question? And how long after was it silent not being pinged?
Dr John is making me think that Chad is even more devious
So if Chad knows to shut his phone off, and he didn't tell Alex and Lori to do the same, he planned them to take the fall. He might look dumb, but he is the one with no pings or DNA.
@@TriciaEllingerI really believe he expects to get out of this, that he’ll be acquitted. He thought he could commit these crimes and get away with it. I do believe that Alex and Lori were involved in Joe Ryan’s death, and Megan Conner has said that Alex was doing things to speed up Stacy’s death. I think he was slowly poisoning her with alcohol (a form of sugar) and she was a diabetic. He was using her credit cards. I suspect that Lori may have confided in Chad about some of these things. My theory.
@TriciaEllinger#truth
He buried the kids on his property he isn’t the smartest tool in the shed!!!
Chad is all about control. I think Tylee & JJ were buried on Chad's property so that they could keep an eye on them. If someone started digging they would know about it.
No, no he's not none of them were but beings they didn't think anyone would look for them
When this trial began, my husband said Chad Daybell reminded him of Charles Manson. I agree with the comparison and cult behavior. I hope and pray the jurors can see through things.
Jurors are discerning
I totally agree 💯!!
Yes, this case reminds me of Manson too. The coercive control of the closest people in the cult-especially his loony partner/new wife, her weirder brother and his own children and son-in-law. They’re fearful of losing their patriarch, Chad.
Manson at least had some "charisma " studying scientology taught him the "stare "
I can't work out what chadwick had
Remember Manson also called himself the “messiah” 😨
The NO raccoon is actually important. In the text Chad admits that he was there when Alex brought Tylee to the property.
Wait what? What did I miss. What text?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN???
Was this in a text that was on the screen? I can’t read most of them, too pixilated and tiny!
I think they mean that it proves Chad was at his property because he texted Tammy that he shot a raccoon, and that text was sent the same day Alex's phone pinged on the property. So he admitted he was at home to shoot the racoon and to burn some limbs
FOR DR JOHN SHIRT :
i SHED - what’s YOUR super power ?!
Omg
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Omg when I say I spewed my pop (soda) I SPEWED IT! I wasn’t expecting to read something so hilarious! 😂😂😂😭😭😭😂😂😂
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We need a t-shirt with “I am in a constant state of shedding.”
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They WILL shed & we will buy! 😂😂😂
'I shed, therefore I am'
When he slipped up and said murder, I burst out laughing
Gotta love Freudian Slips.....
Never seen Dr John so humerous!! Love it!! Show us more lol!! (as long as your'e not shedding 😂)
Spell right.
You two are great!! If I was juror no one on defense witness stand has changed my mind! 2 children buried in his yard!!
Same, you can't get past that her kids were moved to Rexburg and murdered there a& put on his property. If this wasn't about Chad & his influence then it wouldn't have been in Rexburg,. There's no way around Chad being at the center.
‘Nuff said.
Love Dr. John’s energy tonight. 😂
Me toooo! Who knew??? 😂
Lauren, Your interview with Dawson was superb: sensitive, supportive, empathetic, with dept, clarity, and tactful directness. The archetype of Barbara Walters popped strongly into mind. I imagine the networks and ent. biz professionals are/will be calling.
Come on.
Dr. John is cracking me up!! 🤣🤣 Great recap you two!!
Lauren, both you and your husband are the complete package
Most people understand that you need to turn your phone off if you don't want to be traced
Cell guy: there are no pings saying he was elsewhere either!
Very good point!
Exactly
Please take care of yourselves. We need you guys for years to come ♥🌈
Ya too obsessed.
And convenient (even with autopsy) that Joe Ryan, Charles Vallow & Alex Cox were cremated
We need to make some changes in this country regarding the rights of the family in regards to autopsy & burial decisions. Currently if a spouse murders their partner it is They & Only they that get to make those decisions. It's IMO absolutely insane that possible murders make decisions regarding destruction of many times the Best or Only evidence that can determine Murder or suspicious circumstances. That is SO 🤬up especially these days with all these family & spousal murders!
BUT - CHAD SHOULD HAVE CREMATED TAMMY & DIDN’T - WITH EVIDENCE THAT SHE WAS MURDERED “JOHN PRYOR SAYS THIS IS FACT!”
@@BeReal128I suspect he would have preferred cremation but Emma was so against an autopsy.
I don’t even understand why someone who is just an average person needs a burner phone? That in and of itself says to me people are trying to hide something??🤔
Exactly! wtf!
I know he and Lori used burner phones to "hide" their affair.
Prior explained early on that it is common for someone having an affair to use burner phones. Follows that someone committing murder(s) would use them.
Absolutely right! That's highly suspicious.
@@choicecraftsbypeggyt why? If I had an affair I'd still just use my normal phone. It's my personal phone, noone else is on it... It would be more suspicious to my partner if they found a burner phone somewhere. Also the logistics of bringing along the right phone and which one do I use with whom, far too complicated. (I had to use and carry with me two mobile phones for ten years due to my job and I hated it.) Who t f uses burner phones except criminals? (They aren't a thing in my country, so I really don't know.)
Dr. John is hilarious. Love his insight and humor. Bravo!!
My favorite part was when Prior touched the mic and then asked Dr. Hampikian if his DNA would be on the mic and instead of saying yes, Dr. Hampikiam basically said it rewind depend, and Prior started talking really fast to try to get the attention away from it.
LOVE YOU TWO! So much insight. Thank you ❤
Glad to hear that Jerry is doing much better ❤
My heart breaks for Tammi’s family, please send them our love. I hope the other kids aren’t brainwashed
Love the moon eyes Lauren makes at her husband. It is so sweet
Get a life.
@mariannenapoles146 are you a mean girl? Be nice why would a comment like that be so offensive to you that you took the time to be rude to me?
Lauren! I LOVE it that you are eating pizza right now!!!! You are so natural and beautiful and real!!!! You Rock!
She is the very top of her profession
Calm down.
Best Dr. John + Lauren EVER.🥇
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I so enjoyed this. I've never seen Dr. John cut up. And, he does it so straight faced. I'm lol'ing
If I ever get murdered I want Dr John to be an expert witness at my trial!!! ❤
And I want Keith Morrison to narrate my Dateline!
And I want Lindsey Blake to prosecute the murderer and Jerry to watch the trial !
Lauren that was great! “The raccoon didn’t leave any dna either “. Hmmmm not a shedder..,
If I were a juror i would wonder:
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Why is the defense trying to assure me there was a 'crazy neighbor with a paintball gun' episode and not alex with a real gun; but also wants me to believe it was actually Alex trying to kill Chad by instruction from Lori for some reason (even though Chad and Alex sent pictures of themselves like bro-hams at the temple calling themselves exalted beings)
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If Chad were innocent and had no idea there were children buried on his property, then why didn't he stick around when they showed up with warrants and a forensic team and even walk around the back with them, and show them the burial spot of the racoon he was talking about? And then he could have stood there perplexed and watched as they went to dig up other areas and when they started to find remains he would have been horrified, amazed, shocked and disgusted like a normal innocent person would have been...
If I were a juror I'd find him guilty on all counts.
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We live on a small 4 acre property and if the fbi, police, etc. Showed up at our house and said 2 children were bodied on our land, I would be 1. HYSTERICAL and running around trying to help them 2. CONFUSED about HOW and WHY could such a thing happen without our family knowing 3. TERRIFIED about who had been close to my family capable of doing such a monstrous thing!!!
Chad was completely nonplussed. You know he was expecting them to show up and knew he was in deep trouble.
Prior knows it takes only one juror to make a hung jury. And he’s working hard to get that.
@@Weissguys6exactly! Telling his daughter he wouldn’t be back, when his property was being searched. Totally guilty.
I feel so much better after hearing Dr John explain things. I really hope the jury can see it this way.
I love the relationship you and Dr John have. You two have shed the light for so many of us. Lauren you are so
Beautiful inside and out. Please don’t let the trolls bother you
Stop idolizing humans.
@@mariannenapoles146 how about you not tell me what to do. I am not idolising anyone. I gave Lauren a compliment. So bless your heart 😀
@@duckthecuckoo ? Those words are not anything I said
Always enthralled to hear Dr. John’s opinion and humour!
Yes he turned the phone off & I think that the jury will know too
Glad to hear Gerry is doin a bit better. Thank God! Continued prayers for him & the family.
The electricity and internet are out here in Volcan, Panama so we turned on our generator so I could watch you. You're so good at what you do. 😊 How about "Don't shed on me"
good one!
He sachayed into the room like a hoola dancer,
Arms gesticulating in his role as necromancer,
Long hair undulating through the silvery-gray
That framed the grandeur of his shedded DNA.
Composed by Mel Stiller, shedding her poetry and best regards all the way from British Columbia, Canada.
I love it. 🥰
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Thank you so much, Lisa Burk 🙏 🦋
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Dr John is funny tonight. I love it!
Lauren never loved you more. Dr. John you are validating all my theories
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Same!
Lauren, eat that pizza! You’re among friends!
We do love our Lauren! She’s the best. ❤
Dr. John is so precious, I can never get enough of his insights!
Thank you Dr. John and Lauren!!!!! 💕🌸🦋🙏🌺
I needed this tonight. The trial has been depressing. Thank y'all so much! ❤
John seems like he’s found his groove. He appears so relaxed and funny. Love you two.
Greetings from South Korea. I’m so glad your cough seems better and that we get so much of both you and John this week.❤
@hidden true crime Lauren, i noticed and love how you glow when doing these after trial discussions with Dr John. Its beautiful to witness your love for him.
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AGREED! I'm lucky to have a marriage like that as well.
I shed, therefor I am.
I LOVE THE MANSON REFERENCE! SPOT ON! Good one, John! Thanks to you Both! ❤
Same a Jodi Arias. Turned off phone, cleaned crime scene with water yet her blood was on wall....
Oops 😬
Yes, mixed with his blood too.
Chad will still be convicted, Prior is trying his best but all defense witnesses really have never said anything to convince anyone his client is innocent, especially with two bodies buried on his property and no explanation. Rest in Peace Tylee, JJ, Tammy and Charles💔💔💔💔
I agree. Pryor is slimy and tries to be tricky so I'm not a fan. But I suppose he is doing what he can.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
I'm so glad you called out the "absence of evidence," Dr. John!!!!!! That was so annoyimg.
Thank You Lauren and Dr John for bringing truth for Justice ⚖️.
Chad thinks he did nothing wrong.
Oh No, he knows he did wrong😮now he's Squirming in fear of his guilty verdict coming😮 the miserable evil..coward !
obsessed with Dr. John saying “cas” instead of casual, truly laid back coded of him
Same! 🤗
Calm down.
Thank you Dr. John & Lauren for doing this:-)
You are blessed Lauren 🙌...such a darling man...watching in Christchurch..nz
Thank you both for covering this harrowing case, I come here first for the lowdown. Sometimes truth is the elephant in the room...the more I think about it the more questions I have for Melanie G, Warwick, Zulema, and Melani P. I don't feel its coincidence that Melanie Gibb and Warwick were at Lori's the awful night JJ was taken away, killed. Zulema and Melani P were both into it up to their necks, two smooth operators since - Melani P comes across as an accomplished, astute liar, just like Aunt Lori. Zulema is "off" - something doesn't pass the smell test.
I agree 100%
Remember Warwick and Gibb were there to talk of buying property there. They got wise to the fact that if they moved on that, the kids would not have been on Chad's property.
I have never heard Dr. John funnier! The sarcasm was fantastic tonite.
We know Chad stole most of his ideas from movies, books, songs, ect. With the burner phones and hiring a criminal....lawyer, he must have been a Better Call Saul fan! 😂
OMG!!!!! That was funny and RIGHT?????
Yes!!! 😂
Defense rests tomorrow morning. Prosecution said a day and a half to two days Rebuttal... long weekend.... closing arguments finished by lunchtime Tuesday... deliberation Tuesday arvo, into Wed... bets on a Verdict? i have late Wed arvo for a Verdict. 🤷♀️
I think deliberations will go longer than that. I’m concerned about a guilty verdict for the actual murders of Tylee and JJ. I think the conspiracy ones and Tammy is a slam dunk. I just think the prosecution put so much emphasis on Alex and Lori’s movements at the time of their murders that that may be enough to put reasonable doubt in some jurors mind. Knowing Prior is going to use his closing to blame them. Remembering the jurors don’t know this case like we do. I hope I’m wrong but that’s my concern.
gee aren't you the FONT of information 😁. I asked that in live but no answer. FANX
@My-22-Cendiesnt the conspiracy to murder charges carry same penalty as actual hands on murder ? This is what I understand ANY ONE ELSE KNOW FOR SURE???
PRIOR FAN-BOMBING☀️ Boise DNA professor WAS VERY CRINGE 😳😳😳. .
Yes the conspiracy charges have the same penalty as the murder charges.
If you played clue with Prior: "it was Mrs Gibbs, in the cozy cone with the pic ax"
So close! My card says “it was Melanie Gibb AND the super raccoon, in the Cozy Cone, with a Malachite Ring!”
You can tell that your hubby is a good dad. I can see why you are together. I am so glad you found each other. Now let me focus on the case. You are covering it with professionalism. Personally, I trust your coverage that I do not have to watch all of it. Thank you for that!
The Shedder 😂 I already am a little OCD when I enter my hotel room now....ewwww😳
Great show tonight. Nice to see Dr. John's humorous side. He definitely has another gift, he would put stand up alex to shame.
As a person who has followed this channel since the beginning, I'm so so so glad that Dr. John now comes on! I recall when y'all didn't want him to comment, and so glad and grateful that he has changed his mind to give sooooo soooo much insight. Thank you Dr. John! and Lauren!
Omgggg the Pig Pen reference sent me 🤣🙌
I’ve never been convinced that Amanda Knox was innocent.
Please enlighten us. What exactly is it about the case that makes you think Knox was guilty? Please, do tell us. NEWSFLASH. Watching true crime on YT channels/listening to podcasts does not make you any kind of expert. You do not know more than the investigators or LE. Rudy Guede was convicted of killing Meredith Kercher, Amanda Knox's roommate, in Italy in 2007 and sentenced to 16 years in prison
Rudy Guede killed Meredith. They have his dna all over her and everywhere on the scene. End of story.
We all saw Lauren straight ahead of us all morning. Wonderful ❤
I agree Dr. John rocked today!
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence 👏👏👏 thank you Dr John. I know we are covering such serious topics, but watching Ms Lauren and Dr John is always such a joy. Their rapport, together with their knowledge and experience, and their compassion for the victims is just perfect. Thank you both 💖 may justice be served.
Good point about Charles Manson. Chad Daybell same situation...cult leader. I think the jury sees the truth. I'm sure the prosecution will wrap this all up in a pretty bow🎀🎀🎀
Absolutely! They've been brilliant so far.
This was great Lauren and Dr.John! I appreciate the content and the humor! I'm busting up over Pigpen and shedding.
So good! Wish the jurors could have John counsel them.
I would like a shirt that says ‘ I’m a Dr. John fan’
Shirt for Dr. John: “You’re A Shedder, You’re A Shedder And I’m A Dr. Shedder Too”. From the old Dr. Pepper commercials. Really showing my age here.
Love your post lol😅
Dumb.
I just love you two guys and what you bring to the table.
Dr.John is on one today and I can’t enough!
Dr John is in his element tonight. This was so informative and fun to listen to. Thanks Lauren and Dr John!
If CHAD made a text to Tammy he had to have had the tracking turned off for them not to be able to see where his phone was at!from AKRON, OHIO
Y'all are just too funny tonight,I'm shedding tear of laughter ❤
Omg! Dr. John is hysterical!!😂
I bet Chad is really shedding right now
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The raccoon and burner phone story makes me think of another. My 2 adult sons told us recently that as teenagers they found a dead racoon by the side of a country road and also a recliner nearby. They posed the raccoon relaxing in the recliner and put a tv remote in his paw! 😂😂😂
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Boys will be boys😂
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Hilarious
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I'm sure if Chad's electronic device had shown up ANYWHERE else during the mornings of Sept. 9th and 23rd, Prior would have brought it up. The fact that he didn't speaks volumes.
Lauren thanks so much for all your hard work. Love listening to your feedback.
😅😅😅 You guys are cracking me up. I want that "Constant state of Shedding" shirt!! Thanks for the comedic break ❤
My perspective of my own marriage mirrors the esteemed Dr John and Miss Lauren. But that is greatly exaggerating my own abilities. My partner could match Dr John in trivia & Scrabble despite having an MIT education. My best friend referred me to the channel as she and I both escaped the IBLP/duggar cult. So very glad she clued me in. I owe my friend 3 months of Patreon dues per our bet. Excellent work team!
The tools were ofcourse cleaned. Tammy was still alive and used those tools, she did the gardening! Chad wasn’t going to leave Tylee’s remains on the tools for Tammy to see.
Also, I don’t believe Alex committed those 3 murders, it was Chad. Alex just dropped the kids off, maybe helped dig the graves, but asphyxiation wasn’t his thing, Alex liked to shoot people. He wasn’t even at the house when Tammy died, he was at the church on stand by. Chad is a maniac, he was more capable of the torture of children. Not Alex. I don’t believe for a second Chad didn’t murder those children with his own hands. Unpopular opinion I know, but Chad is given too much leeway. He’s a psycho
But Alex was a lousy shot chad wasent I think both of them did it together
@@debbiefox4439 Yes Alex was unreliable and a lousy shooter, hence Chad ensured JJ Tylee and Tammy were done. He’s a control freak and he was psycho enough to get close and personal, including mutilation because he hated Tylee. Alex just wanted to shoot people, he bought like 100 guns. There’s no way Alex had the stomach for what Chad did.
I think no dna says something.Cleaned thoroughly or maybe some tools were disposed of. 🤔
777lisamarie4ggreat point ,tools used gotten rid of
Yes he is a real live Norman Bates.... I agree I think he killed the kids & Tammy. I don't think Alex could have killed Tylee at all.....
I think we are all getting a bit silly after the long weeks of trial. The “shedder”is hilarious. This was a great conversation. Dr. John we love seeing your full personality tonight. Thanks for all you two do! I have been on this case since Chad and Lori were in Hawaii and following you two have made this journey so fulfilling. Justice for all the victims.
Prior will no doubt be on a media tour after this case is over no matter the verdict. I hope Hidden Crime gets that interview.
Just don’t allow any Shedding in your place of business