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For such a large event, those two seem like such a drop in the bucket compared to the overall success of the event.
Yeah esp considering this is not exactly their day job. It went off pretty well. Just chalk the vespa thing up to a learning experience and move on
the vespa was the only one going to make a wish though thats why its sucks, all the rest was for the IDF
The fact that any drama that came from this was so short and simple and generally low impact shows just how insanely successful that auction was, it's crazy
I agree, I saw the video title and thought "wait there was drama?!" But after watching the vid im glad it was this kind of drama
@@Ixxlostinabox in fact, it could hardly be called drama. A kerfuffle, maybe.
@@nizamrahman4665a duffle kerfuffle mayhaps🤔
Sadly auctions always lead to false bids and stuff
@@tansworld2513 true, but despite that, for being Connor's first auction that he lead and presented, the issues that came from this are rather tame and mild. Future events like this will probably be even better and have issues be resolved quite well
If they can prove its not fraud, you cannot retract an offer to A charity in america.
we don't know where they live though. and its a question for their anonymity should not be publicly answered.
If the auction was in America I'd expect the bidder to be, since it was a vehicle.
Also, they don't have to know the person, just call the bank and say it wasn't A fraud, but charity. And they have the right to know who reneged. I mean, we don't have to know.
@@lostnthenoisei mean it 16,000 we're talking about yk?
Thats only for direct donations
@@lostnthenoisei don't think you got it. the bidder say his card got stolen and someone bid with it. if they contacted the bank it would be pointless: how could they know it wasn't fraud?
The first one could be plausible, its as simple as the site itself auto fills in the cents as 00, so instead of putting 5-0-0-0-0 for 500.00 it counted it as 50,000 (or something similar in that vain)
Then that would happend to everyone if that was the case wouldnt it. Also why would they put cent on a big auction like this, it's going to be annoying because the bidder could just do $0.1 increment and it still would be valid.
@@w_ldan not everyone is going to overlook that. Also you don't build the software for each auction from scratch. If it really had a decimal thing, then whatever software they're using probably had that to begin with
also, depending on the country, some countries or languages use . instead , .... so maybe he put the wrong one and it didnt register. ... it sometimes do that at the hotel i work at
@@w_ldan It would still be user error. Like the dude didn't realize it didn't count the cent place despite it being blatantly obvious.
I think this is possible in some part of the world the . and , is reverse in math. I sometimes have to double check when I go abroad
considering how big the event was, at the very least its just two problems
3 if you count the Jerma cards aswell.
@@The-Issuswhat's that?
@@w_ldanThe online bidding time delay cost the online bidder a chance to raise the bar, but they contacted them directly and it turned out they didn't want to bid higher than the in person guy anyway so it was all good
@@w_ldanthey closed the auction online before it ended when the guy last minute bid $15k
@@iiide3 You realise that's quite literally exactly what I said right?
Honestly, I expected something like this would happened, especially when the bid is online.
If the clip I watched was the ending of it, on his channel. The person was actually there irl which is insane
@@davidwrigley3186online bids went through one of 3 people who sat there, but the bids themselves came from online, not those 3
@@davidwrigley3186 The people on the second right is just paid actor in place for chat ( online bidder )
@@MurphyMuffin-nx2ut oh thanks for letting me know!
As someone who is very familiar with auctions it do be like that very often smh but you did good Connor you did good
My two cousins work in auction house and they say they hate online auctions because of how many times items are being bought with stolen credit cards or people try money laundering.
I feel like the Vespa guy could've thought that Lud would bet even higher to keep his Vespa and then when he didn't, the guy panicked and tried to undo his bid by calling it in as fraud
Still a shitty thing to do, ESPECIALLY for charity
I think this is 100% what happened, that he tried to make Ludwig pay more for his own vespa. Super shitty thing to do.
@@ChilledGreese didn’t ludwig do the same he bid high because he wanted the other person to pay for the vespa for a high price
@@mxb1585 Not to my knowledge, but that might've been the case. I don't like people pushing prices like that at an auction, BUT at least Ludwig had the intent to pay if he won fair and square.
@@ChilledGreese it did then go to ludwig because he was the second highest bidder but he refused to pay for it so then it went to hasan but he also refused and then I don’t know where it went
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if someone actually got their card stolen and used in a charity event. It doesn't sound too farfetched tbh.
Uh, it kinda does. People who steal credit cards are generally looking to turn that credit into fungible, easily-resellable, untraceable goods (eg. gift cards, infant formula, laundry detergent, car parts, etc. Crypto's big, of course) as fast as possible before the fraud is detected and the account is locked. None of that fits "bid at a high-profile charity auction for a unique item you couldn't collect anyway, as you can't prove you're the person who made the bid".
It's not impossible, but it's real, real weird.
Yea no idea why they are assuming the opposite. But I just found out that they were apparently inflating the price with their own bids with no intention of buying it, so honestly, scummy event gets scummy viewers I guess.
@@StinkyBuster is there proof of that? Idk might be true but proof?
@@seanseen_bruh it happens often in auctions where no regulations are there.
People sometimes just inflate and with no intent of actually buying it.
I felt other similar situations happened like when the guy bought a set of cards for 15k. He had the money, I think people online who (probably did not have the money) were just out bidding just to troll.
Most people wouldn't go through the effort of risking calling in fraud and cancelling their card just to troll an auction price and potentially end up with the bag like Lud did imo
when you bid, your card is billed. the bid is only valid when it goes thru
this one went thru, it bounced bc it was a disputed bill on the card
banks are usually not chill with fraud (or fake fraud) so unless you know how this system works, you might not know what you're talking about
it's very likely the card owner's kid paid with it and the parents shot that shit down as fraud. That's the usually only accepted way to get a fraud back out like this
On the bright side, Ludwig doesn't have to part with his beloved Vespa?
Ludwig doesn't want it either bc he's getting a new better one. Next was Hasan who wants to blow it up with tannerite, but he found out it would cost like 30k to do that in California. So its down to like bidder 4 lmao
@@Birdo283s there a clip of that being revealed somewhere?
Edit: just looked on insta, and yeah it's an amigo, not a vespa
@@Birdo283it's for charity, if he had won you think he would've retracted?
15k or whatever is almost free PR for ludwig at this point (or more if he makes content out of it)
Why would it cost 30k?
@supremetaco2399 permits, insurance etc. Hasan has to do everything by the book because so many people want to hammer him over his politics.
best case scenario, bid was done by a kid who stole their parent's card. but one can only hope
I mean if that is all the controversies happened with such a big event, the event is a success
In some parts of the world, you use commas as decimal points and periods to indicate thousands. So instead of 500.00, they might have entered 500,00 and the software turned it into 500,000
I believe this is in most places except English-speaking ones
I mean, it could have actually been a stolen credit card. I've seen it happen before with charity stuff.
Imagine opening up your bank account and seeing $10k+ missing that YOU didn't spend, then everyone says it's not a big deal because it was "for a good cause". Fucking idiots everywhere.
This is why you need to ask their ID before letting them bid, if the bid was anonymous, then they could just vanish
Many countries use a comma as the decimal point in numbers, which couldve caused confusion with 500,000 being perceived like 500.000
It would go to the second highest bidder for their bid amount. Wasn’t that Ludwig 😂
Fraud is so hard. And its such a nuisance online.
Simple explanations of drama like this are hard to come by. Often times people talk vaguely and no one knows what’s going on
These two seem less like drama and more like “fucking hell” moments
It's also possible it was a stolen card and they knew it was going to bounce... which is even more screwed up than the alternative. People suck.
My brother actually had his card and banking information stolen and the person tried to use it at a Charity event like this one to get an e-bike. My brother had to call in a fraud. Felt bad for the event, but that's how it is.
What happened to the event?
@@caglarservili well the e-bike went to the second highest bidder. And as far as I know it didn't mess anything up, to them it was a bit of a anoyance that it happened.
@@Crimsondeeds so in the end both sides were ok with the result. Then that's good to hear.
Yeah I’m wondering why they didn’t just contact the second highest bid later
@@Veroniczthey did. It was Ludwig and he didn’t want to pay to get back his Vespa and was thinking of getting a new one
Had no idea there was drama afterwards, that sucks
I don't think that refusing to give money that you don't have to charity is a bad thing. The fact that you even offered the money is the problem, but if you don't have the money you don't have the money
Bank: "wait, why is someone buying a bike for charity in your name?"
It's such a shame that this stuff happens. You could always contact the next highest bidder to see if they still want it.
Although the some of the bidding wars in the event were super hype, a great to watch and experience all around AND it was all for charity which is incredible. It sucks that the money bounced but you still raised so much money for something so meaningful!
decimal point issue just means they're from a country which has swapped comma and period, and the input form or whatever doesn't handle that properly.
The fraud one was probably a parent telling them it wasn't real because it was a child.
So Ludwig got his Vespa back. Turns out Ludwig was also the online bidder and planned this to get his Vespa back for free. I am joking of course and this is a horrible thing. The first one I have heard about before with twitch donations being $500 instead of $5 so it is entirely possible. The second thing is a issue a lot of auctions deal with so they set up ways so it does not happen
I wonder though. Given recent events with Jimmy
well... usually the item go to the next bidder if the payment (or means to) aren't met within the end of the auction, and so on
Couldn’t there be a policy that the second place bid wins if the winner doesn’t donate?
Yep, that would be the ideal
The second place was Ludwig placing a fake bid to artificially raise the price, he also refused to pay when the 1st place backed out.
For the VEspa, I wonder if they were trying to make him (or someone else) pay more
For charity? I guess it makes sense if you're selling on ebay and get a mate to hike up the price but for charity?
2nd place was Ludwig placing a fake bid to do just that.
@@ratecyanIt kinda does? You're supposed to bid with the intention and means to buy it for that price.
@@xaf15001Not true he dose not have to it just depends on the circumstances bc it's technically illegal for the other guy to not follow through
I feel like this is every charity auction. Somone always bids an outlandish number than then never pays it
"How does a 500k bid happen?"
Well, it happens when certain sites take "5000,00" as "500000 dollar" instead of "5000 dollar and 00 cents" because for some reason americans use periods to differentiate between dollar and cent instead of commas like germans for example.
Back then it tended to happen with donations for german streamers I watched from time to time, when they did donations over certain services.
Honestly though, should have known this would happen with an online audience. That's why the auction audience is curated and not anonymous
Pretty easily explanation for the online max bid issue; a lot of European countries use . Instead of , for money.
In Denmark they write monetary values like this: DKK100,00 for DKK100.00 and vice versa
So honestly, easy mistake, if in fact they were from a country that this format is used
But eesh! Scary!
Somebody could’ve also actually stolen the person’s credit card and used it to make the bid.
I feel like for auction type events this thing happens a lot online, so to verify mayb ppl can cash in their top funds before the event starts and it'll get refunded if they didn't win anything at the end to end trolling
Can’t do that cause that’s a scam tactic
They were probably trying to get their money back and the item. Which sucks, but they’re stupid… this happens a lot to artists.
Im honestly suprised poki didnt bid to talk to herself.
"cuz it's like man, god damn it" amen brother
At least Ludwig gets to keep his vespa
I mean the card very well might have been stolen.
I'm honestly surprised most software that involves money doesn't have safe guards against prices that were obviously wrong. 500k can't be right. And it's not just some indie auction stuff. Same happens in stock market or ERP systems.
you could just record list of top 3 bidders and move on to next bidder
Im not surprised, even during the stream i was asking in chat: how do you make sure someone writes a number and just doesnt pay it to troll? No one answered me and i guess this is the result. Anyone could have seen that coming from a mile way.
Why would the chat know that? And because of the velocity of the stream chat, almost nothing you ask will ever get answered. So not sure what you think you'd get out of it in the first place
You might as well have said "I asked chat what the time was and no one answered. So I guess no one really had any idea"
It's people wanting to look more charitable than they are
I would have loved a vespa, though i prefer that scooter from Yuru Camp, would have totally been my first ever scooter.
It was bound to happen, just glad it ended up not being worse than that
I guess you can't pull the Vespa out of Ludwig in the end.
The vespa could have been some kid that used their parent's card. Does that count as fraud
Should offer it to the next highest bidder in these situations imo
The first one seems like an easy mistake to make. You could look at that and assume it wasn't what they meant.
Karma for the vespa, you should've taken Jackie Chan
Wait why did you caption a few seconds of this and then not the rest?
I definitely understand the 500,000 part. missing a decimal point i feel is a reasonable mistake to make
That is the huge risk when doing auctions online.
Honestly i was expecting at least one item like that
Is there a statement that is shown to the online bidders about what are they going through like a ToS or something similar like that on the website, if so then he should now what will happened to him if you bid at auction or even winning the item that is being auctioned
I imagine the persons son or relative something bought the bike and the parent reported it as fraud
Heat of the moment. Wanted anonymous game
The first one I can understand is a genuine mistake, but the second one is just plain dumb. The person knew how much they were bidding, and was probably just doing it for attention, only to cancel his bid when he won cus he had no intention of spending that much anyway.
Did you watch the clip? Connor says the person whose card "won" the bid says his information was stolen. That means it's fraud on behalf of the thief who placed the bid, not the actual card owner who might have not even known about the auction to begin with.
Imagine opening up your bank account and seeing $10k+ missing that YOU didn't spend, then everyone says it's not a big deal because it was "for a good cause". Fucking idiots everywhere.
"Ay you know that money I gave to charity. Ya. No. Give me that back"
sad that the make-a-wish auction bounced ... they could've grant 1 kid a wish as they said it takes 10k to grant 1 wish to a kid ?
Well, at least Ludwig gets to keep his Vespa :P
Wait what I didn’t know there was drama that sucks
Wasn't the Vespa sold for 14k and the winner was the woman who did a bidding war with Ludwig? Was that her who frauded?
the one that win is online person, the woman was a staff that yell when someone online bit higher
@@supanutchotsiri4210 oh I see. That makes more sense now. I was wondering the whole time why she keeps bidding on stuff like damn she got cash.
@@senpaik_ Yeah, the 4 people in that row with headsets were all actors brought in to roleplay the online bidders to make it feel like they were in the room with everybody. They all did a great job of adding entertainment to the stream.
@@kaydoubleu5802especially that bidding war with Sydney LMAO
am I the only one not hearing the video? volumes all the way up and not a sound.
That's an impressive number of felonies for a small amount of attention.
It would be cool to see hasan go live with Ludwigs vespa
I mean... That's not too big of a problem considering how bloody big it was, don't really see a very very huge risk there
That's it only one person backed out? I expected at least 4 tbh
i believe it, not uncommon. rip
I kind of get it though if it WAS fraud. I wouldn’t give a fuck if my money was given to charity, I decide to give not anybody else.
Maybe sell it back to ludwig or see if Hassan still want to blow it up
Get Ludwig to buy it back.
yeah that guy who pulled on the vespa is a gross pos
CharityDramawgVA
My biggest problem was that most of the auctioned items went to streamers/youtubers who were at the event rather then actual fans, but at the end of the day it raised more money.
I mean, ultimately it was about money going to charity not the items themselves, that was just a bonus.
What drama? I didn't see any
It's always on charity bidding stuff is where everyone turns there asshole level to 300
How is it fraud, is it not live streamed? His face is in it.
Online bid with a stolen credit card
You should sell it to the second highest bidder?
Man 2 huge thing for such a small event that sucks auto cancles all the good of the event unlucky
Its way more likely that you have some scumbag with a stolen credit card
What was the charity for?
The charity overall was for the IDF but the last bid was specifically for Make A Wish
I mean, you gotta expect stuff like that to happen. The audience is a bunch of immature twitch watching kids and young adults, of course they're gonna do stuff like that
He was trying to do right by mouse and people like her and help them and someone got in his way. It's a little darker when you think about it that way. Some super villain shit.
Unfortunately most people don't care about charity
TBH, the Vespa wasn't a Vespa, it was an Amigo worth 1800 bucks new. I also would have called fraud if I was told I was buying a Vespa and it turned out to be a knockoff. I get that it's a Vespa style scooter, but it's not a Vespa.
Not blaming Connor, but Ludwig should have known better.
I mean, it's a charity auction where a pair of swim trunks and a monkey painting sold more than that, I genuinely do not think the misnaming of the vehicle had anything to do with this
except it's illegal to sell knockoff item's and label them as legitimate.
okay but... everyone knows you mean vespa *style* scooter when you say vespa, barely anyone owns an actual vespa
I can kind of understand it to an extent but it's common sense, don't fucking bid of you do not have the money
Was this drama? I would call these just a technical difficulty and an asshole.
Sell it to lud
Anyone willing to give a bit of context please
Don't see big deal. Just call up the the people who made the last fee bids and see if they want it.
The second and third place was Ludwig and Hasan, who both pulled out
The problem now is that you're going so far back that people who would have otherwise bid didn't end up doing so since the price was too high already. So the item would have gone for way lower than if the fraud wasn't there.
Vespa guy go to jail
If someone stole my card and donated any amount of my money to any cause, the very first thing id do is refute the charges. Sorry for the event, but expecting anything else is insane.
Obviously if it wasnt stolen, different story
how is it fucked up to not donate to a charity, if the guy accidentally bid on it and realised he couldn’t afford then so be it
They kept bidding and raising the price. Don't bid thousands of dollars if you don't have thousands to spare.
@@seanseen_ it was reported as fraud meaning the person bidding wasnt the owner of the card
@@Lennyxx fair
He should leak their name