The 5 things you really notice when you sail with the Windelo forward cockpit are: (1) both the self-tacking jib and main are very efficient - much lower center of effort compared to a rear bridge deck cat - that's largely why Windelo can achieve those upwind and light wind speeds. It's also a very balanced ride - the weight must be very well distributed. The steering is super light and easy, and because of the sail efficiency, tacking is like a monohull, with no stall-factor. (2) all the sheets coming to the center of the boat - rather than all the way aft - means a lot less tension/pressure on them. It is a very neat cockpit with everything to hand - sheets, equipment and even windlass all there. (3) at first glance, having 2 helms seems a bit of overkill, but actually it's so nice to be able to sit and watch your telltales on both sails, and having awesome, uninterrupted visability ahead from the windward side - in fact it feels like having just one helm in the center would be quite disappointing by comparison (4) the protection of the cockpit really makes a lot of sense. In extreme conditions (and let's be honest, in those conditions you are even more unlikely to be going upwind & into the waves) the galley can be fully sealed-off from the cockpit and the drain infront of the galley door is huge. The cockpit is in the absolute center of the boat, so you are not being tossed around on a rear bridgedeck. (5) The galley is a true living space. It's very relaxed underway. No sheets to clutter the aft deck, no helmsman peering through trying to see something ahead etc. And yet the cockpit and helmsman are very close to talk to and engage with - and there's plenty of room to join them, sitting in the cockpit too. If you can get a test sail on a Windelo, I think you will be converted. For me a forward cockpit is actually the #1 design choice if you are considering a performance cat. Tbh, over the next decade, I think all cats will head this way. It is just the best place for a cockpit to be on a catamaran. You see all these versa helms, bridgedecks, etc all trying to solve for an aft helm problem, but really the Windelo answer is far more simple and elegant.
All the different helm positions have positives and negatives. Forward helm has the shortest lines, most convenient controls, great visibility forward and relatively good protection. Windelo's take on this is slightly different from Chris White's, but excellent in its own way. Another major advantage of Windelo's forward helm in particular is that it has perhaps the best social connection between helmsperson/watchkeeper and salon/galley space. For a typical cruising couple on watch during passagemaking, this is arguably ideal. The Windelos look perhaps a bit less seaworthy than say HH or Balance, and I wonder how they would fare in the Southern Ocean, but for more moderate latitudes, they should be ok. Definitely prefer the electric first approach.
My wife and I sea trialed this boat and we absolutely love it. Team Windelo really did an outstanding job and I believe other boat builders will imitate their design. It’s our next boat.
Congratulations Jonathan!!! It was really impressive and we were constantly "wowed" with the different features. It also seems to be quick in th3 water to make the sailing easy esp in light winds - great stuff and have fun!!! When in the launch date?
🎉 So lucky 🤞🏼 I think I've seen you testing one. I hope you will follow up .. I'm nothing to do with the company or even the boat business but this boat is one of the best leaps forward in sustainability and Innovation in the whole industry. 🧙🏼♂️🇬🇧🗿🌌🏝️🕊️
Awesome boat. For me there are 2 design elements she wins on: #1 protected forward helm layout is best-in-class - completely transforms the sailing experience and declutters the living area aft #2 going all-in on electric - integrated solar/hydro with twin electric shaft-drives (with back-up genset) - means the boat is clean, silent and as independent as one can possibly be IMO both of these fundamental features will become standard for performance catamarans over the next 5 years. The Windelo team deserve credit for pioneering these two features 5 years ago and building everything around them. They have a 5 year head-start on the other performance catamarans, but you can already see HH and others following. Full disclosure: we put in an order for one 8 months ago after doing very extensive comparison to the rest of the field and having a great sea trial. I can also say Stephane, who runs their sales team and is on the video, is a pleasure to work with.
Yes absolutely Rob! The forward cockpit being protected is SOOO much better than the others (Gunboat, Kinetic etc) where you are completely exposed to the wind and rain and you will beg there in the worst of weather... WRT the electric systems are certainly is the future and it will be good when they are reliable and effective.... Hidden glitches coming up in many systems now and mostly being kept quiet so the onlookers think everything is perfect - unfortunately not quite yet but the innovators have to run the system, find the faults and then correct them. We all live in hope!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Yes, very true. You are pioneers testing the waters for us all. Great work on your insurance, sailing tips, Portofino build etc.
At the current time this has to be probably the greenest production moulded Multihull in the world and the fact that its Basalt brings a long list of advantages the thick core gives it built in permanent boyancy and insulation. Its also non toxic and none irritating UV proof and it wont wick water. Its chemicaly highly resistant and ballisticaly resistant. It also doesnt support mould or bacterial growth. Its power propulsion systems work and are proven. AND very quiet 🤫 Its cockpit configuration is unique and very very safe. All told given its performance and accounts ive seen of its performance and seakeeping in rough conditions ..its probably the best all round cruising Catameran available in the world . The fact they are highly responsive to interior design details within the set galley layouts and hull sizes is a definate plus. Finally theres a big brother and new smaller version in the design/build process. 😎🧙🏼♂️🌌 Im pretty sure they could get better performance from their motor prop combinations by simply adding leading edge Tubercals ... these are a bio memetic inspired design feature from humback whale fins and boost the mid range power and efficiency of the existing propeller blades.. There are already props being manufactured to this design.. so i hope they can get to explore the boost in potential 😉 Docs they might listen to you two. Thank you for taking the time away from your own boat and doing such a practical dive into such an important evolution in Yatching .
By upping the voltage to 72 volts efficiency gains can be made with any e motor system. There's also Motors in the same family of higher kw power and torque so you could easily build a system for a heavier larger vessel. The other thing is even running as Generator powered E powered boat you can expect 20-30% reduction in fuel burn because it only runs at its Stoichiometric optimum. Which means it runs less and cleaner. Oh it so quiet 😂😂
WOW, dare I say it but I think Portofino have some serious competition my Dear Doctors😲🤣 I really enjoyed the way Stephan spoke and explained the various components of this Vessel, he didn't speak to you both like an arrogant salesman, he is obviously very passionate about the environment and the impact many boats put on it. This Cat and Company are going places absolutely wonderful architecture and design, for a whole range of Sailors. Especially love the big windows and space. Just 1 concern re: the bearings for the prop, I bet they dont come with a lifetime warranty. 🤣 they will have to design bigger shoe racks for Eli😜😘an I didn't see the walk in closet. Miss u both, lots love💞
Hi Karlene, great that we are keeping you entertained and yes, that shoe rack really needs to be enlarged for Eli. The bearings on the proper electric engines are designed to run forever so they do not have trouble with the length of use. And finally, we love this boat but we did look at it before choosing the P52 as there were still features that it did not have that were on our list and I am sure you now what we are talking about...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 🤣😁😜 I'm always smiling when I'm watching u 2, I'm sure u would have checked every descent performance Cat, before making the Ultimate choice😉 I'm just being me!!! Gotta make sure u get our priorities in the right order. Think of u both often, please stay safe, I do worry about the state of the World. But I also know the Goddess of the Sea is looking after u. Much love xx
Dear, you make a very nice and detailed presentation, the boat I know, it is my prefer one at the price level, but you make an excellent presentation, wow
Thanks for this very informative in-depth look at an amazing cruising cat. I’ve watched every English language review of the Windelo, and your questions overall and insights around the engines and rudder stock in particular were very illuminating. Keep up the great work! I think we can all dream about a nearly silent and self-sufficient sailboat, even if this one is still out of our budget. Cheers.
Thanks for watching our WIndelo review then Jayson and I hope you get out on the water to the enjoy sailing, even if not on this boat for now - who knows what might happen....
Our lakes in the high Cascades are thawing out and our Hobie Getaway is pawing the ground in the paddock, rearing to get splashed. Our family is excited for the season, and we have our first weeklong catamaran bareboat charter in the Salish Sea booked for June. We are on a 5 year plan to sail the Med, so looking forward to seeing your experiences with your new dreamboat. Thanks for opening our eyes to Turkey as a cruising destination! Keep up the great content, and Thank you!!!!!
Electric drive is already being used in both production and retrofit sailboats. It's a relatively mature technology, and hydrogeneration alone means being able to recharge simply by sailing. In addition batteries can be charged from solar, shore power, windmill, generator, etc. Eventually most boats will be electric, just as is happening with cars. And in fact most of the cost reduction is coming from electric car battery pack production volumes.
It already is in many working boats worldwide... there's still a lot of resistance in some quarters but when you have motors that need zero maintenance and can escape the whole Fossil fuel ⛽ trap .. it's going to get a lot of vested interests worried. The battery tech is going to get 50% cheaper possibly 5 times better, Greener and safer in a comparatively short time . The other area of change now will be the new designs for generators.. they are much smaller .. 1/5th or less. 30-50% more efficient and generate more power. They can also run on different types of fuel without problems.
Wow 😮 this boat is awesome. I like the forward cockpit and the whole gally and back are protected from the outside weather. I am also amazed by the diesel ⛽️ not used aroundt all. Jusr solar power. Only the dagger board not sure if its of any use.
Thanks again Ahmad. yes lovely features and the daggerboards make a significant difference to upwind performance only and only a bit of benefit on other angles as there are no keels to slow you down. They do help get the boat planing for this reason - but it all depends on how fast you want to sail and how many things you want to be managing.
I take it that the massive raised platform behind the sitting space is necessary to achieve the volume of space required for the large, transverse bed in the owner’s cabin? I’d make half the platform into a herb garden, the other into an open storage for kitchen electricals, like big blenders and stuff.
Wow this is the best design catamaran, I really love all the commodity and performance of that boat! But Let's see if these solar panel will burn in the caraïbes and see if all the window will not leak are cracks! If the used recycle materials I don't realy care what we need in this industrie good realable catamaran builder that are 100 % on customer satisfaction!
Thanks Marc and glad you liked the boat! WIndelo have been around for a decade by now so if you ask them directly, I am sure they will tell you if a=they have had that trouble before with the panels.
Great review of this amazing yacht Eli and John!!! I have a couple of questions which I didn't hear you ask, John. 1). How does the composite handle your nemesis, Fire? Does the basalt lend its basic fire resistance to retardation of fire, or does the plastic element of its construction mean it's more suseptible to melting and deformation? 2). How do they join the material at complex angled areas like the bow and stern joints where strength is required - Is it bonded with glue, resin or welded with heat etc.? 3).Have they experienced any issues with their solar panels at the joints where wires are connected as some other manufacturers have found and is the efficiency of the panels improved by raising the panels off the coach roof surface as it seen elsewhere? Again, thanks for showcasing this wonderful boat, You almost have me convinced that it is better than the Portofino! Stay safe guys! Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
Hi Garth, there was no need to ask about fire because ALL resins burn not matter what is inside them - fibreglass, carbon, and basalt! The angles are built with several overlapping layer of fibre and the strong points are created with epoxy and directional fibres... Don;t know the answer to the SPanel question... We are happy with the unique features of our boat but this does tick many of our boxes so is a great boat!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Hi John and Eli. Thank you for your prompt reply. I see. I didn't realise that the basalt sheets were bonded with resin. Shame, such a great boat otherwise. I know you've picked the winner in this race. I'm sure the panel issue is either one of incorrect installation, or possibly brand choice. I noticed it on another channel I watch, but thanks for the reply. Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
They are a nice boat, but when I calculated the KSI using upwind sail area it was almost the same as the ORC 50 in my data, suggesting they sacrificed stability for performance. Make sure you get an automatic sheet release system if you buy one. :)
Nice looking boat. As with all systems for power (diesel and electric) you need to decide where you want the single point of failure. I prefer them to be separated (port and starboard) with a manual interconnection.
nice design. i like the 2 meter freeboard!!! What is brand of genset? How strong impact-wise is the basalt fiber hull compared to aluminum? epoxy fibreglass hulls?.... be safe kids!!
I love the design of this cat. I guess if the basalt composite is 30% stiffer it will allow for those massive windows 😬 Is the transom plus dinghy only held up by two ropes/lines ?? Or is there another failsafe??
Hi Geniex, For the dinghy, they also have tie downs to the boat to prevent rocking and bouncing and those lines were dyneema so easily strong enough for the weight. The transom is locked in place mechanically I understand and works separately from the dinghy. I did not see it in action get the exact process but it is locked securely in place...
Bushings and bearings will need replaced more often. Its like a cars bearings if they do it right. Every 120km replace or 10 years. I would check them every 3 years when hauling out for inspections and bottom maintenance.
Good point DC. We still want to find out from the cutlass bearing makers what changes need to be in place for long distance rotating props on the shaft... Of course the pure electric motor (engine) has props designed to spin forever...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Normally 10 years for a cutlass bearing. Since you will be using it 10 times as much I hope it wont need replaced every year. Well they do have inboard engines with shafts that are used at high rpm and always since they are not on sail boats. I myself have never seen one go out but most of those boats were not serviced at our marine repair shop.
Hi again Tony. The props on these electric engines are designed to spin continuously so they do not have problems. It is the sail drive and traditional shafts that I have heard wear out their cutlets bearings and seals as they are only designed to rotate for a few hundred hours a year when motoring... Obviously some cutlass bearing are designed better and last longer…
We are working through the different options and balancing out the pros and cons and then trying to find out what they are not telling us! Sunreef do not have it sorted yet but their marketing is superb!
What type of resin is used in the basalt composite? Polyester, vinylester, epoxy? The resin is probably the least green ingredient in this boat, which may explain why they don't name it after talking so much about the basalt and recycled foam core. Did they create a new type of resin? Does anyone know the answer? Please post if you do.
Hi Jack, I must say that I just assumed it was epoxy for the increased strength and lower weight - but please everyone else post if you know the answer absolutely too!
So am I right in thinking that running one 18kw gen set to power the batteries to run the 2 electric motors would be more efficient than running two yanmars to drive the props? Why wouldn’t everyone go with the same Windelo system? Obviously set up cost is one thing but would not having to service two engines, two sail drives and fuel savings over time negate this?
It's a good question. And your answer is basically right. You can add the further non-$ advantages of silent engine most of the time and great torque for manoeuvrability.
Hi Mark, that is a good question but if you were running a single diesel you would still get 6 kn. The next question is if you needed more power and to go faster how quickly does the power drain from the batteries with the electric engines compared to running 2 diesels. Perhaps there is some clever electrical engineer who can tell us the proportionate fuel consumption of one or two diesels compared to 2 diesels and their increase power consumption as they move up from super economical at 5 kW to a half power at 10 kW and then full power at 20 kW. The simplest maths though is that full power the two engines will draw 40 KW and the generator is only creating 18 KW per hour so your batteries will go completely flat in about two hours. Of course those scenarios are rare And we all have to make the decisions based on the sort of conditions and sailing we are going to be doing.
It was said that the you can do 6 knots with 2x5Kw =10Kw power consumption. That should give 6 hours of electrical range with the 60Kwh battery, not 4...!? Which is it?
Hi Martin, you cannot drain your battery to zero so I presume they only drain their lithiums to 20% which would give you the 4 hours. I have heard that it is possible to drain them to 95% but this is not good for them, I understand....
Aluminium has features that are good and challenges that need to be overcome (electrolysis) but we will see how our aluminium boat performs when launched early next year...
I’m still intrigued by the aluminum hull. I’m paying close attention to your portofino videos and am excited! At this stage, my questions include noise of sailing aluminum vs other. I also want to know more about sailing Caribbean and hotter corners of the world. Does the hull get hot to walk on? Does the interior get hot? The guys at Garcia nor Dutch builders say much about this. Portofino, on the other hand, are showing the real deal and being more conversational about the process…which I love. BTW…I love this channel. So much is happening that’s so exciting. I feel you two are at the very front edge of new things.
20kw = 27 hp motors are too small, they should be 30kw 40 hp minimun, and I would be concerned about visibility during docking from the forward helms...otherwise a nice boat
Those are good points and Windelo would be able to fit whatever size of Electric motors you desire. I suspect they use the low power ones to extend the motoring range for flat calm conditions but the risk would be in really bad weather or into breaking waves. Hearing from users on this would be good as this is all guess work for us!
I think this is heading in right direction. From my experience with solar and batteries in my house I know 3-5 days of rain or snow will drastically affect how much solar energy you add to your batteries. Having 2 wind turbines will help but they do not make as much as you think either. With that said I can last 3 days with no sun. The biggest inn my setup is water heater then its a tie between well pump and furnace. I have gas stove and furnace so if those were electric It would cut my days in half to 1.5 days with no sun. Saying this means if needed to really pay off I would suggest 2-3 times the amount of batteries. to make up for the weight when sailing in low winds dump 75% of water but only in really low winds. Planning is huge so avoid rainy seasons in areas around the world. I would also get a smaller 12kw generator and decrease the fuel tank by 20%. Those will also help make up the weight for added batteries. You are getting this boat to be more green so using less diesel. Usually in low winds the sun is out with clear skies so again bigger battery bank and max solar is the way to go. Cigs/Yuma panels for solar for less weight and then some real panels also.
Thanks DC, lots of great info and we agree with the wind turbines. We had them in the "old days" but now solar is so much better and if we can get hydro regen, it will be amazing!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 just double any size battery they say you should have with hybrid or even just house bank. Nobody wants a generator to kick on at 3 am so the AC units can keep running.
Lightning strike blast everything as there is an electromagnetic impulse (or shock) that shoots across gaps and breakers and unless there are NO wires running into your nav area, everything gets fried. Bluetooth / wireless connections are the only reliable way I have been told.
Sorry...the engine/motor setup does not inspire confidence. In my opinion great for coastal cruising and Great Lakes. No prolong motoring at 8-10 knots. Weather avoidance, getting to a clear anchorage, stuck in doldrums. Like other ev's. Great to run around town and a short commute. My bench mark for an ev is: Vegas/LA 70 mph, ac full on and non stop. I watched two videos of Windlo yachts. Each presenter mention the deliberate set back of the mast. This will definitely affect windward performance. It may demand early reefing to keep from scooting to leeward. Instead of lee helm, the rare windward helm. Definitely need a test sail with about 12-15 AWA.
Thanks for the comments and with all electric / hybrids there are compromises unfortunately so it does all depend on the sort of sailing you are doing and where yo are going.... Yacht in all ways are compromises so this is yet another set of choices to make with up and downs. Nothing is so far ahead o the field yet in that regard but we live in hope for a "final solution"...
An electric 'engine' is a motor. An engine gets its energy from internal combustion of a fuel. Some engines get their power from steam, which is created by heating water. The bottom line is to recognize that these folks are talking about electric motors, not electric engines. As we migrate to electric propulsion systems, it will be important to use the correct terminology. Cheers
Thanks for the correction John and technically of course you are correct. However most sailors will use the term "engine" to mean the motor that propels the boat as opposed to the other 20 electric motors we have onboard that are mostly pumps. So good luck with your quest - you have a challenge on your hands!
Yes sorry for our looseness of terminology - you and John above are in agreement and good luck with your eduction of the rest of the world who use the term loosely to mean the "motor" that pushes the boat as opposed to the other "motors" that are just pumps etc...
That composite is not an off the shelf material and available globally like fiberglass. So when you hit the fuel dock or someone drags anchor and strikes your boat and damages it, how much will it cost to ship the materials to you, how long will that take and who will fix it? When you're in French Polynesia, you will join many other people who end up selling their dream boat for nothing to anyone who is willing to buy it for whatever they're willing to pay. Cynical, yes, reality, also yes.
Hi Searle, interesting challenge and I do not know the answer to that but most materials can be temporarily fixed with GRP to get you to the expert providers. I presume GRP or epoxy will stick to the basalt as it is infused with resin just like carbon and GRP so repairs should be possible without basalt... I would also expect the owners to carry a few sheets of the fibre and resin with them just in case!
😅😅😅 you obviously haven't been to French Polynesia. There are a few boats for sale but they sell like anywhere else. As far as repairs go the yard in Raiatea is very experienced in repairing composite hulls like vacuum bagging carbon fiber etc. Air freight to French Polynesia is also a simple matter so whoever buys this boat can sleep easy....
@@laurapitre5797 yes, they sell for 1/3 or less compared to the prices of the North American low end of the market because of the immense hassle to get there and the logistics of the buying process. The more remote the location, the longer they sit for sale also.
@@barilro Really? Are you with the company? Have some technical insights to share? I would like some specifications to back up that claim, because at no time has anyone from Windelo ever said that you could use incompatible materials to affect repairs on their composite that would pass engineering specifications or satisfy insurance requirements or survey after a claim arising from a grounding or collision resulting in significant or minor damage to the hull. Until they offer specs, I (and insurance) treat all claims as talk.
Какая страшная тетка... А на катамаране в 54 фута пространство можно было организовать с большим объемом. Совершенно дурацкая и неудобная компановка. Дизайнер выпендрился, чтобы быть особенным, но получилось неудобно и мало места, не эргономично. Только внешне красивый. Электромоторы в соленой среде глупость совершенная. Чисто хайп и никакой практичности, надежности и комфорта... не тратьте деньги.
The 5 things you really notice when you sail with the Windelo forward cockpit are:
(1) both the self-tacking jib and main are very efficient - much lower center of effort compared to a rear bridge deck cat - that's largely why Windelo can achieve those upwind and light wind speeds. It's also a very balanced ride - the weight must be very well distributed. The steering is super light and easy, and because of the sail efficiency, tacking is like a monohull, with no stall-factor.
(2) all the sheets coming to the center of the boat - rather than all the way aft - means a lot less tension/pressure on them. It is a very neat cockpit with everything to hand - sheets, equipment and even windlass all there.
(3) at first glance, having 2 helms seems a bit of overkill, but actually it's so nice to be able to sit and watch your telltales on both sails, and having awesome, uninterrupted visability ahead from the windward side - in fact it feels like having just one helm in the center would be quite disappointing by comparison
(4) the protection of the cockpit really makes a lot of sense. In extreme conditions (and let's be honest, in those conditions you are even more unlikely to be going upwind & into the waves) the galley can be fully sealed-off from the cockpit and the drain infront of the galley door is huge. The cockpit is in the absolute center of the boat, so you are not being tossed around on a rear bridgedeck.
(5) The galley is a true living space. It's very relaxed underway. No sheets to clutter the aft deck, no helmsman peering through trying to see something ahead etc. And yet the cockpit and helmsman are very close to talk to and engage with - and there's plenty of room to join them, sitting in the cockpit too.
If you can get a test sail on a Windelo, I think you will be converted. For me a forward cockpit is actually the #1 design choice if you are considering a performance cat. Tbh, over the next decade, I think all cats will head this way. It is just the best place for a cockpit to be on a catamaran. You see all these versa helms, bridgedecks, etc all trying to solve for an aft helm problem, but really the Windelo answer is far more simple and elegant.
Thanks Rob for all those important facts about the WIndelo!
All the different helm positions have positives and negatives. Forward helm has the shortest lines, most convenient controls, great visibility forward and relatively good protection. Windelo's take on this is slightly different from Chris White's, but excellent in its own way.
Another major advantage of Windelo's forward helm in particular is that it has perhaps the best social connection between helmsperson/watchkeeper and salon/galley space. For a typical cruising couple on watch during passagemaking, this is arguably ideal.
The Windelos look perhaps a bit less seaworthy than say HH or Balance, and I wonder how they would fare in the Southern Ocean, but for more moderate latitudes, they should be ok.
Definitely prefer the electric first approach.
My wife and I sea trialed this boat and we absolutely love it. Team Windelo really did an outstanding job and I believe other boat builders will imitate their design. It’s our next boat.
Congratulations Jonathan!!! It was really impressive and we were constantly "wowed" with the different features. It also seems to be quick in th3 water to make the sailing easy esp in light winds - great stuff and have fun!!! When in the launch date?
My favorite boat in this price range.
Nice to hear, Lee!
🎉 So lucky 🤞🏼 I think I've seen you testing one. I hope you will follow up .. I'm nothing to do with the company or even the boat business but this boat is one of the best leaps forward in sustainability and Innovation in the whole industry. 🧙🏼♂️🇬🇧🗿🌌🏝️🕊️
Your next boat?
Awesome boat.
For me there are 2 design elements she wins on:
#1 protected forward helm layout is best-in-class - completely transforms the sailing experience and declutters the living area aft
#2 going all-in on electric - integrated solar/hydro with twin electric shaft-drives (with back-up genset) - means the boat is clean, silent and as independent as one can possibly be
IMO both of these fundamental features will become standard for performance catamarans over the next 5 years. The Windelo team deserve credit for pioneering these two features 5 years ago and building everything around them. They have a 5 year head-start on the other performance catamarans, but you can already see HH and others following.
Full disclosure: we put in an order for one 8 months ago after doing very extensive comparison to the rest of the field and having a great sea trial. I can also say Stephane, who runs their sales team and is on the video, is a pleasure to work with.
Yes absolutely Rob! The forward cockpit being protected is SOOO much better than the others (Gunboat, Kinetic etc) where you are completely exposed to the wind and rain and you will beg there in the worst of weather...
WRT the electric systems are certainly is the future and it will be good when they are reliable and effective.... Hidden glitches coming up in many systems now and mostly being kept quiet so the onlookers think everything is perfect - unfortunately not quite yet but the innovators have to run the system, find the faults and then correct them. We all live in hope!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Yes, very true. You are pioneers testing the waters for us all. Great work on your insurance, sailing tips, Portofino build etc.
The best cat ever... congratulations
Yes - great features, Leo!
What a nice design. I love the recycled materials in its construction. Great video.
Thank you! Cheers, Crystal!
At the current time this has to be probably the greenest production moulded Multihull in the world and the fact that its Basalt brings a long list of advantages the thick core gives it built in permanent boyancy and insulation. Its also non toxic and none irritating UV proof and it wont wick water. Its chemicaly highly resistant and ballisticaly resistant. It also doesnt support mould or bacterial growth.
Its power propulsion systems work and are proven. AND very quiet 🤫
Its cockpit configuration is unique and very very safe.
All told given its performance and accounts ive seen of its performance and seakeeping in rough conditions ..its probably the best all round cruising Catameran available in the world .
The fact they are highly responsive to interior design details within the set galley layouts and hull sizes is a definate plus.
Finally theres a big brother and new smaller version in the design/build process. 😎🧙🏼♂️🌌
Im pretty sure they could get better performance from their motor prop combinations by simply adding leading edge Tubercals ... these are a bio memetic inspired design feature from humback whale fins and boost the mid range power and efficiency of the existing propeller blades..
There are already props being manufactured to this design.. so i hope they can get to explore the boost in potential 😉 Docs they might listen to you two.
Thank you for taking the time away from your own boat and doing such a practical dive into such an important evolution in Yatching .
By upping the voltage to 72 volts efficiency gains can be made with any e motor system. There's also
Motors in the same family of higher kw power and torque so you could easily build a system for a heavier larger vessel.
The other thing is even running as Generator powered E powered boat you can expect 20-30% reduction in fuel burn because it only runs at its Stoichiometric optimum. Which means it runs less and cleaner. Oh it so quiet 😂😂
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WOW, dare I say it but I think Portofino have some serious competition my Dear Doctors😲🤣 I really enjoyed the way Stephan spoke and explained the various components of this Vessel, he didn't speak to you both like an arrogant salesman, he is obviously very passionate about the environment and the impact many boats put on it. This Cat and Company are going places absolutely wonderful architecture and design, for a whole range of Sailors. Especially love the big windows and space. Just 1 concern re: the bearings for the prop, I bet they dont come with a lifetime warranty. 🤣 they will have to design bigger shoe racks for Eli😜😘an I didn't see the walk in closet. Miss u both, lots love💞
Hi Karlene, great that we are keeping you entertained and yes, that shoe rack really needs to be enlarged for Eli.
The bearings on the proper electric engines are designed to run forever so they do not have trouble with the length of use.
And finally, we love this boat but we did look at it before choosing the P52 as there were still features that it did not have that were on our list and I am sure you now what we are talking about...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 🤣😁😜 I'm always smiling when I'm watching u 2, I'm sure u would have checked every descent performance Cat, before making the Ultimate choice😉 I'm just being me!!! Gotta make sure u get our priorities in the right order. Think of u both often, please stay safe, I do worry about the state of the World. But I also know the Goddess of the Sea is looking after u. Much love xx
Dear, you make a very nice and detailed presentation, the boat I know, it is my prefer one at the price level, but you make an excellent presentation, wow
Thank you very much, Angel - glad you found it appropriate for the great boat it is!
OUTSTANDING EVERYTHING ! WOW !
Glad you liked it David!
Thanks for this very informative in-depth look at an amazing cruising cat. I’ve watched every English language review of the Windelo, and your questions overall and insights around the engines and rudder stock in particular were very illuminating.
Keep up the great work!
I think we can all dream about a nearly silent and self-sufficient sailboat, even if this one is still out of our budget.
Cheers.
Thanks for watching our WIndelo review then Jayson and I hope you get out on the water to the enjoy sailing, even if not on this boat for now - who knows what might happen....
Our lakes in the high Cascades are thawing out and our Hobie Getaway is pawing the ground in the paddock, rearing to get splashed.
Our family is excited for the season, and we have our first weeklong catamaran bareboat charter in the Salish Sea booked for June.
We are on a 5 year plan to sail the Med, so looking forward to seeing your experiences with your new dreamboat. Thanks for opening our eyes to Turkey as a cruising destination!
Keep up the great content, and Thank you!!!!!
Electric drive is already being used in both production and retrofit sailboats. It's a relatively mature technology, and hydrogeneration alone means being able to recharge simply by sailing. In addition batteries can be charged from solar, shore power, windmill, generator, etc.
Eventually most boats will be electric, just as is happening with cars. And in fact most of the cost reduction is coming from electric car battery pack production volumes.
Beautiful boat, I love that cockpit! I really hope electric becomes the norm, one day.
You and me both, Amanda....
It already is in many working boats worldwide... there's still a lot of resistance in some quarters but when you have motors that need zero maintenance and can escape the whole Fossil fuel ⛽ trap .. it's going to get a lot of vested interests worried.
The battery tech is going to get 50% cheaper possibly 5 times better, Greener and safer in a comparatively short time .
The other area of change now will be the new designs for generators.. they are much smaller .. 1/5th or less. 30-50% more efficient and generate more power. They can also run on different types of fuel without problems.
And the 5, 10 and 20KW DC generators has revolutionised the charging processes....
Yes and the DC generators up to 20KW are now reliable and accepted so a great start!
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Liquid piston have a running version of their rotary generator motor in an advanced state.
Thanks for a fascinating show guys.
So many awesome features but totally undone with no back cockpit and the under powered EP system.
Thanks Ahmin! Swings and roundabouts.... Some people love them and some hate them!
Windelo is near the top of my list.
Yes they look lovely and we may well get to do a test sail on a WIndelo sometime in the future!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Will look forward to it if you do. Thanks!
Quit an amazing boat!
It is Jero!
LOVE this Vessel! Great review you two ❤
Thanks so much, Alan!
A very interesting catamaran in comparison to my leopard 48. Thanks for the great video.
Our pleasure! It’s always good to see what other do to solve the challenges we all have…
Wow 😮 this boat is awesome. I like the forward cockpit and the whole gally and back are protected from the outside weather. I am also amazed by the diesel ⛽️ not used aroundt all. Jusr solar power. Only the dagger board not sure if its of any use.
Thanks again Ahmad. yes lovely features and the daggerboards make a significant difference to upwind performance only and only a bit of benefit on other angles as there are no keels to slow you down. They do help get the boat planing for this reason - but it all depends on how fast you want to sail and how many things you want to be managing.
I take it that the massive raised platform behind the sitting space is necessary to achieve the volume of space required for the large, transverse bed in the owner’s cabin?
I’d make half the platform into a herb garden, the other into an open storage for kitchen electricals, like big blenders and stuff.
Great idea Guy! The space in there is significant!
Wow this is the best design catamaran, I really love all the commodity and performance of that boat! But Let's see if these solar panel will burn in the caraïbes and see if all the window will not leak are cracks! If the used recycle materials I don't realy care what we need in this industrie good realable catamaran builder that are 100 % on customer satisfaction!
Thanks Marc and glad you liked the boat! WIndelo have been around for a decade by now so if you ask them directly, I am sure they will tell you if a=they have had that trouble before with the panels.
Great review of this amazing yacht Eli and John!!! I have a couple of questions which I didn't hear you ask, John. 1). How does the composite handle your nemesis, Fire? Does the basalt lend its basic fire resistance to retardation of fire, or does the plastic element of its construction mean it's more suseptible to melting and deformation? 2). How do they join the material at complex angled areas like the bow and stern joints where strength is required - Is it bonded with glue, resin or welded with heat etc.? 3).Have they experienced any issues with their solar panels at the joints where wires are connected as some other manufacturers have found and is the efficiency of the panels improved by raising the panels off the coach roof surface as it seen elsewhere? Again, thanks for showcasing this wonderful boat, You almost have me convinced that it is better than the Portofino! Stay safe guys! Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
Hi Garth, there was no need to ask about fire because ALL resins burn not matter what is inside them - fibreglass, carbon, and basalt! The angles are built with several overlapping layer of fibre and the strong points are created with epoxy and directional fibres... Don;t know the answer to the SPanel question... We are happy with the unique features of our boat but this does tick many of our boxes so is a great boat!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Hi John and Eli. Thank you for your prompt reply. I see. I didn't realise that the basalt sheets were bonded with resin. Shame, such a great boat otherwise. I know you've picked the winner in this race. I'm sure the panel issue is either one of incorrect installation, or possibly brand choice. I noticed it on another channel I watch, but thanks for the reply. Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
They are a nice boat, but when I calculated the KSI using upwind sail area it was almost the same as the ORC 50 in my data, suggesting they sacrificed stability for performance. Make sure you get an automatic sheet release system if you buy one. :)
Thanks for the insight Craig!
whats the shelf life of the plastic core? an aluminum windleo would be awesome.
Good question WK but I presume it is very long like plastics that pollute the oceans for 100s of years....
Nice looking boat. As with all systems for power (diesel and electric) you need to decide where you want the single point of failure. I prefer them to be separated (port and starboard) with a manual interconnection.
Good point...
nice design. i like the 2 meter freeboard!!! What is brand of genset? How strong impact-wise is the basalt fiber hull compared to aluminum? epoxy fibreglass hulls?.... be safe kids!!
Not sure ~Lincoln but it is definitely stronger than GRP and less than aluminium and I do not know how it compares to Epoxy and carbon....
Videos of other Windelo's had Fischer Panda gensets
@@uncletuftin those are reputed to extra reliable. for world cruising though Yanmar or some such probably better for parts/tech availabilty
I love the design of this cat. I guess if the basalt composite is 30% stiffer it will allow for those massive windows 😬 Is the transom plus dinghy only held up by two ropes/lines ?? Or is there another failsafe??
Hi Geniex, For the dinghy, they also have tie downs to the boat to prevent rocking and bouncing and those lines were dyneema so easily strong enough for the weight. The transom is locked in place mechanically I understand and works separately from the dinghy. I did not see it in action get the exact process but it is locked securely in place...
long bow sprite could add sail area with out moving mast
Certainly could but the boat does seem to be quite well powered and does not seem to need that extra sail area...
Bushings and bearings will need replaced more often. Its like a cars bearings if they do it right. Every 120km replace or 10 years. I would check them every 3 years when hauling out for inspections and bottom maintenance.
Good point DC. We still want to find out from the cutlass bearing makers what changes need to be in place for long distance rotating props on the shaft... Of course the pure electric motor (engine) has props designed to spin forever...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Normally 10 years for a cutlass bearing. Since you will be using it 10 times as much I hope it wont need replaced every year. Well they do have inboard engines with shafts that are used at high rpm and always since they are not on sail boats. I myself have never seen one go out but most of those boats were not serviced at our marine repair shop.
What about wear of the prop seals because it’s always spinning?
Hi again Tony. The props on these electric engines are designed to spin continuously so they do not have problems. It is the sail drive and traditional shafts that I have heard wear out their cutlets bearings and seals as they are only designed to rotate for a few hundred hours a year when motoring... Obviously some cutlass bearing are designed better and last longer…
The future is for sure full electric
Indeed - but we are not there yet...
What about a portofino 52 with sunreef ecosail solutions?
We are working through the different options and balancing out the pros and cons and then trying to find out what they are not telling us! Sunreef do not have it sorted yet but their marketing is superb!
What type of resin is used in the basalt composite? Polyester, vinylester, epoxy? The resin is probably the least green ingredient in this boat, which may explain why they don't name it after talking so much about the basalt and recycled foam core. Did they create a new type of resin? Does anyone know the answer? Please post if you do.
Hi Jack, I must say that I just assumed it was epoxy for the increased strength and lower weight - but please everyone else post if you know the answer absolutely too!
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Thanks for watching!
So am I right in thinking that running one 18kw gen set to power the batteries to run the 2 electric motors would be more efficient than running two yanmars to drive the props? Why wouldn’t everyone go with the same Windelo system? Obviously set up cost is one thing but would not having to service two engines, two sail drives and fuel savings over time negate this?
It's a good question. And your answer is basically right. You can add the further non-$ advantages of silent engine most of the time and great torque for manoeuvrability.
Hi Mark, that is a good question but if you were running a single diesel you would still get 6 kn. The next question is if you needed more power and to go faster how quickly does the power drain from the batteries with the electric engines compared to running 2 diesels. Perhaps there is some clever electrical engineer who can tell us the proportionate fuel consumption of one or two diesels compared to 2 diesels and their increase power consumption as they move up from super economical at 5 kW to a half power at 10 kW and then full power at 20 kW. The simplest maths though is that full power the two engines will draw 40 KW and the generator is only creating 18 KW per hour so your batteries will go completely flat in about two hours. Of course those scenarios are rare And we all have to make the decisions based on the sort of conditions and sailing we are going to be doing.
I would have installed solar on the sides as well….
Nice!!!
It was said that the you can do 6 knots with 2x5Kw =10Kw power consumption. That should give 6 hours of electrical range with the 60Kwh battery, not 4...!? Which is it?
Hi Martin, you cannot drain your battery to zero so I presume they only drain their lithiums to 20% which would give you the 4 hours. I have heard that it is possible to drain them to 95% but this is not good for them, I understand....
How does it compare are two aluminum?
Aluminium has features that are good and challenges that need to be overcome (electrolysis) but we will see how our aluminium boat performs when launched early next year...
I’m still intrigued by the aluminum hull. I’m paying close attention to your portofino videos and am excited! At this stage, my questions include noise of sailing aluminum vs other. I also want to know more about sailing Caribbean and hotter corners of the world. Does the hull get hot to walk on? Does the interior get hot? The guys at Garcia nor Dutch builders say much about this. Portofino, on the other hand, are showing the real deal and being more conversational about the process…which I love.
BTW…I love this channel. So much is happening that’s so exciting. I feel you two are at the very front edge of new things.
20kw = 27 hp motors are too small, they should be 30kw 40 hp minimun, and I would be concerned about visibility during docking from the forward helms...otherwise a nice boat
Those are good points and Windelo would be able to fit whatever size of Electric motors you desire. I suspect they use the low power ones to extend the motoring range for flat calm conditions but the risk would be in really bad weather or into breaking waves. Hearing from users on this would be good as this is all guess work for us!
Beachable?
Frayed Knot 🤪
I think this is heading in right direction. From my experience with solar and batteries in my house I know 3-5 days of rain or snow will drastically affect how much solar energy you add to your batteries. Having 2 wind turbines will help but they do not make as much as you think either. With that said I can last 3 days with no sun. The biggest inn my setup is water heater then its a tie between well pump and furnace. I have gas stove and furnace so if those were electric It would cut my days in half to 1.5 days with no sun. Saying this means if needed to really pay off I would suggest 2-3 times the amount of batteries. to make up for the weight when sailing in low winds dump 75% of water but only in really low winds. Planning is huge so avoid rainy seasons in areas around the world. I would also get a smaller 12kw generator and decrease the fuel tank by 20%. Those will also help make up the weight for added batteries. You are getting this boat to be more green so using less diesel. Usually in low winds the sun is out with clear skies so again bigger battery bank and max solar is the way to go. Cigs/Yuma panels for solar for less weight and then some real panels also.
Thanks DC, lots of great info and we agree with the wind turbines. We had them in the "old days" but now solar is so much better and if we can get hydro regen, it will be amazing!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 just double any size battery they say you should have with hybrid or even just house bank. Nobody wants a generator to kick on at 3 am so the AC units can keep running.
Once lightning hits you...then what ??
Hi Bryan, like most boats, you pull up the sails and try to get home without batteries and engines....
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Surely they install some form of capacitor to buffer /isolate lightning strike charge?
Most people are not sailors...can't use a sexton or read charts on paper...lol
Lightning strike blast everything as there is an electromagnetic impulse (or shock) that shoots across gaps and breakers and unless there are NO wires running into your nav area, everything gets fried. Bluetooth / wireless connections are the only reliable way I have been told.
Sorry...the engine/motor setup does not inspire confidence. In my opinion great for coastal cruising and Great Lakes. No prolong motoring at 8-10 knots. Weather avoidance, getting to a clear anchorage, stuck in doldrums. Like other ev's. Great to run around town and a short commute. My bench mark for an ev is: Vegas/LA 70 mph, ac full on and non stop.
I watched two videos of Windlo yachts. Each presenter mention the deliberate set back of the mast. This will definitely affect windward performance. It may demand early reefing to keep from scooting to leeward. Instead of lee helm, the rare windward helm.
Definitely need a test sail with about 12-15 AWA.
This isn't the best boat for prolonged motoring, true. But for sailing in sunny places... pretty damn good
Thanks for the comments and with all electric / hybrids there are compromises unfortunately so it does all depend on the sort of sailing you are doing and where yo are going.... Yacht in all ways are compromises so this is yet another set of choices to make with up and downs. Nothing is so far ahead o the field yet in that regard but we live in hope for a "final solution"...
An electric 'engine' is a motor. An engine gets its energy from internal combustion of a fuel. Some engines get their power from steam, which is created by heating water. The bottom line is to recognize that these folks are talking about electric motors, not electric engines. As we migrate to electric propulsion systems, it will be important to use the correct terminology. Cheers
WoW...Ya better tell that to spanish speakers. Their brain will blow up trying to resolve the translation dichotomy.
I had to purchase small
Thanks for the correction John and technically of course you are correct. However most sailors will use the term "engine" to mean the motor that propels the boat as opposed to the other 20 electric motors we have onboard that are mostly pumps. So good luck with your quest - you have a challenge on your hands!
It's not an engine engines, are internal combustion? It is a motor.
Yes sorry for our looseness of terminology - you and John above are in agreement and good luck with your eduction of the rest of the world who use the term loosely to mean the "motor" that pushes the boat as opposed to the other "motors" that are just pumps etc...
That composite is not an off the shelf material and available globally like fiberglass. So when you hit the fuel dock or someone drags anchor and strikes your boat and damages it, how much will it cost to ship the materials to you, how long will that take and who will fix it? When you're in French Polynesia, you will join many other people who end up selling their dream boat for nothing to anyone who is willing to buy it for whatever they're willing to pay. Cynical, yes, reality, also yes.
Hi Searle, interesting challenge and I do not know the answer to that but most materials can be temporarily fixed with GRP to get you to the expert providers. I presume GRP or epoxy will stick to the basalt as it is infused with resin just like carbon and GRP so repairs should be possible without basalt... I would also expect the owners to carry a few sheets of the fibre and resin with them just in case!
No issues with just using what is locally available materials to make repairs.
😅😅😅 you obviously haven't been to French Polynesia. There are a few boats for sale but they sell like anywhere else. As far as repairs go the yard in Raiatea is very experienced in repairing composite hulls like vacuum bagging carbon fiber etc. Air freight to French Polynesia is also a simple matter so whoever buys this boat can sleep easy....
@@laurapitre5797 yes, they sell for 1/3 or less compared to the prices of the North American low end of the market because of the immense hassle to get there and the logistics of the buying process. The more remote the location, the longer they sit for sale also.
@@barilro Really? Are you with the company? Have some technical insights to share? I would like some specifications to back up that claim, because at no time has anyone from Windelo ever said that you could use incompatible materials to affect repairs on their composite that would pass engineering specifications or satisfy insurance requirements or survey after a claim arising from a grounding or collision resulting in significant or minor damage to the hull. Until they offer specs, I (and insurance) treat all claims as talk.
Какая страшная тетка...
А на катамаране в 54 фута пространство можно было организовать с большим объемом. Совершенно дурацкая и неудобная компановка. Дизайнер выпендрился, чтобы быть особенным, но получилось неудобно и мало места, не эргономично. Только внешне красивый. Электромоторы в соленой среде глупость совершенная. Чисто хайп и никакой практичности, надежности и комфорта... не тратьте деньги.
Thanks for your comment and obviously time will tell if the engines survive the salty environment....
When you are interviewing someone, it is very annoying for you to go.Aha , ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. In other words shut up
Aha, yes, Ok sure! Will take it on board... I will certainly try and not interact as one normally does in converstions....