I get the feeling the line Misha couldn't say to Dean in that scene after Dean also couldn't say (or it's cut out) "I guess I always knew you'll come back" is something like "I will always come back to you.." or something like that. I think it fits y'know? :D
Does anyone else want to hear the lines that were cut out? I mean, its totally fanfic material if he would never say it to another human, let alone a man.
if you actually listen to what they're saying, the objection to the line really came from it seeming out of character for Dean to say it, rather than having a problem with the sentiment behind it. The fact that Dean kept the coat in itself show his affection for Cas, the lines made it over the top. At least that's what I got from this.
Jensen said that acting would be weird if Destiel ever became.. Destiel, and that he didnt want that because he likes the way it is and he doesnt want that strange feeling every time he has a scene with Misha. or something like that. and i can honestly respect that. i respect Jensens feelings and i will always ship Destiel, and i will always read/write Destiel fanfics but i accept the fact that Destiel will probably never become canon
@Kate B. it's not called homophobia, you're really trying to make it out like he's homophobic when he's not. With the women (other than his wife), he wasn't close to any of them they were just actors. With Misha who is one of his best friends, it's different. Which you failed to mention. Not to mention he goes very in depth with his character, he's very in tune with what Dean would be like. And to make Destiel a thing, that would be very out of character for Dean and Castiel. That wouldn't be real, so you can calm down and stop assuming. Plus he's played bisexual character before.🙄
@Kate B. the definition of homophobia "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." even if he judged if Dean and Cas, goes together, that's based on preference, not homophobia, since he will be actually doing the stuff. Just because he just don't want to do gay stuff doesn't mean he's homophobic, that's like, saying a straight guy is homophobic because he doesn't want to have a fake sexual relationship with another guy. That makes no sense.
@Kate B. WOW you are an idiot, Jensen is not homophobic, I personally would feel uncomfortable in that situation because even if it's acting, the actresses he was with, were just actresses, imagine with one of your best friends besides these guys are dorks if they made scenes like that they would laugh all the time, I shippeo destiel but honestly I would be angry if they made him a canon because it would be disloyal to the story and the characters
I don't think Jensen Ackles is homophobic, I think he's simply of the opinion that it would be out of character for Dean to be in love with Cas. I mean, I ship Destiel, but I'd agree that it would be out of character.
***** I think it would be OOC for Dean to /admit/ that he loves Castiel. Cause Sam said all the way back in season 2 when Dean was all "Why does everyone think we're gay??" (or 1. Before Dean sold his soul) that Dean acted REALLY butch, like he was compensating for something. Dean just doesn't talk about his emotions, especially the gooey ones like love. Dude's so far in the closet about his feelings for Cas he found Narnia.
***** To be fair, though, Jensen has played a bi man in the past. If I were to speculate, I would say a lot of the discomfort comes from some of the more intense fans (to put it nicely) doing things like showing him fan art of him and one of (or more than one if we're talking about Wincestiel) his best friends having sex. You can only joke about it for so long before you get sick of people bringing it up. There's also the sense that no matter how he portrays Dean or how the writers write the character or any number of the show's creative elements do their thing, people are always going to be unhappy with what happens; which is pretty terrifying since he's the one portraying the character and mostly likely to get the brunt of the heat. tl;dr - it's probably not as simple as "he acted like this, so clearly that means he's homophobic." Until he expains (if he explains) his reasonings, I don't think we as fans are in a place to pass judgement on someone we don't personally know on such a deeply personal issue as this (sorry, I fail at tl;drs :P).
i only ship destiel as fanfic, thats just how far it is. but in d show, i see two brothers adopting their best friend angel as their third(fourth?) brother into their family... i think jensen understands his character very well, that dean sees cas as his best friend or part of their family and putting any romantic thing on that ruins d whole character or relationships that d characters built... just my opinion...
I think Jensen was right in saying it wasn't something the characters would say because at the time they weren't as close as they were after a year in purgatory together. He wasn't one to say something as intimate as that. He shows his love for Cas in more subtle ways. The "I need you" scene was very intimate so I do think a lot changed between the two in season 8. Dean became more comfortable with his feelings for Cas. Destiel is canon. Over the past year there was major character development!
sorry honestly don't blame jensen for being "uncomfortable" (if he even is) like some fans are sooooo intense about the ship and have no sense of boundaries. like misha is one of jensens best friends so it can make things uncomfortable. doesn't mean he is homophobic. don't attack him for stupid things, if he's not comfortable doing something don't guilt trip him and make him feel bad about it. jeez.
Well said! And though a lot of actors do things they're uncomfortable with, it doesn't mean because other actors do, Jensen has to do the same. It's certainly not homophobic, he just took some creative liberties to honor the character best.
i love destiel in way where it's almost like- soulmates, almost. you know me better than anyone and i would do anything for you, i know you better than anyone and you would do anything for me but i don't think it's in either of their characters to be in a long lasting relationship. that being said, i think having that certain bond is what makes it really amazing to me. destiel isn't the stereotypical "love" everyone expects, it's way stronger than anything because despite everything that's happened, they will always come back to each other in the end. i think that's a lot more beautiful than titles.
I wish they'd left in "Part of me always believed that you'd come back." I don't think it's effeminate, in fact, it's along the lines of what one would say to their best friend after not having seen them in months and having believed them dead. Sometimes I think these guys overthink this stuff because of the way fandom is, lol. Still, I can see where Dean, a character who's never had an easy time expressing his feelings, wouldn't say something like that. Hopefully it'll be on the DVD extras.
yeah i think those lines could've stayed in because I think they would've fit like story wise with Dean because hes seen people die and come back so many times already. He's seen Sam die and come back too so why wouldn't he believe that Cas would somehow find a way to come back ? He's even seen Cas die and come back so those lines wouldn't be a romantic type of 'I felt in my heart that you would come back to me' it would be more based on his experiences with those close to him who never really die
He's said snappier things since then... reading this now I'm amazed that this was too enotional for dean to say. Also makes me think if he thought *that* was gay, he definitely must think Dean is in love with Cas by this point.
Seems to me that just showing us Dean had kept the coat made that dialogue unnecessary. If they had started talking like a romance novel it would have made the scene campy instead of profound. Dean, Sam and Castiel had each died and come back at least once already, so I believe he had been hanging onto the idea that Cas might come back.
i like asking anti bully people about that. "so, if it's bullying to spread romance rumors in schooolss about your peers, then why is it bad for me to make people feel dirty for writing porn involving real people? it dosen't matter if it is Vladimair Putin and Ron Paul, Chris LaSala and PewDiPie, or any countless actors. if saying "sally likes timmy" lies in a school is bullying, then someone needs to put the sickos in their place"
kaiyodei i get where you're coming from but its not like we're asking them about their relationship, we're asking them about their characters. and they don't feel uncomfortable discussing romantic/sexual scenes they had with women
I think it could involve itself in the actual show, but I do hate it when the actors get uncomfortable. I'm a Destiel fan who would never actually ask them about it.
Seeing Misha having to tapdance and agree with the anti Destiel sentiment on stage when inside he's been a fan and playing Cas as in love with Dean is priceless!
@@randomepic6204 yeah the last season and Cas declaring his ROMANTIC love to Dean says otherwise. Bobo wanted that and Misha agreed and they both fought for it.
@@kate-oh3ey yea that wasn't a ROMANTIC love confession and didn't go canon and I call cap the writers didn't fight over it so....no. Mishas a POS for pandering to a completely random community that had nothing to do with the series only to back peddle. Yea some hero
@@randomepic6204 seeing other people's perspective on this show is insane to me. i can't believe other people watched the scenes with dr sexy and purgatory and still believe dean's 100% heterosexual.
It was gay enough that he kept the coat and we saw this scene when Cass got it back. I would pay for the original script but to be honest it was just fine this way. We can still imagine things what wasn't there XD
@@ultravioletpisces3666 oh how funny to see my old comments now... I tried so hard to not ship... I tried to not hurt myself with something THAT I CAN'T HAVE kakhsnajjanbyksnyb
i don't think jensen is homophobic, but we all know dean very well and he doesnt show emotion like everyone else. it was a wonderful moment and i feel like it was perfect! of destiel we're go become canon (which i want so so so bad), then the writers would definitely write it so it fits dean and cas' characters and makes misha and jensen as comfortable as they can be filming it c:
no but, being honest? a lot of my friends are men,I have and older brother so I've around boys for as long as I can remember and they don't have that kind of talk, they don't talk about their feelings and are so open, so believe me if I say this: at first I was also a little offended about the hole "unmanly" thing(and I'm a destiel shipper) but it is unmanly, just not because it's a gay thing, but because I can't picture a man actually saying that to another man(unless they've been in a long term relationship)... and you have to remember that they weren't that close at that part, in fact dean was angry and hurt about cas betraying them so yeah, he wouldn't have said that
they made a docu-movie, I think it's called "the masks we wear" or "man up" or something. I think the Missrepresntation crew did it. and some people did things and they asked boys in school, for an assigment to "write down the hardest things about being a boy are" and you get the kids with "that I have to be good at sports/like violance/can't cry when I'm hurt/can't show emotions" could be even sadder when a woman tries to make herself stoic and not "melodramatically sappy to ludicrous proportions" like the "really? you got sick for weeks and cried for months when they killed off your favorite character? seesh, yes it was sad, but lordy! stop acting like your whole family just exploded. protip. don't do that to your self and ruin your emotions and distance yourself. you won't know how to deal with anything.
Sure, I agree the characters wouldn't have said that, and that's independent of their sexual orientation. So it's a bummer that Jensen and Misha revealed how they associate "unmanliness" with being gay by... calling it gay. ::shrug:: That's a pretty clear cut understanding of this moment in this panel.
I would have folded up onto the floor if they reenacted it but not because it was funny but because I am just Destiel shipper trash and I would have died fangirling
The original lines from Dean were: "Dumb to keep. I know. I saw you dissolve or whatever. But, just in case. ‘Cause I never stopped wanting to fix it either. So we got something in common. Just- take it. Please." I don't think that they were so bad, but I don't think Dean would say something like that to a guy :)
TheUazula Maybe don't let your fanfictions intrude on the reality of the show, sir. Dean is definitely straight. Also, since he's played the character for a decade now, I think he has a pretty good idea of what's "in character" for Dean, and if he feels it's not a line appropriate to the character and/or the relationship with Cas, I trust him. It happens all the time with actors in long-lasting roles.
I think it's ridic. that Jensen gets hate and gets called homophobic for these things. He even said 'Just trying to be a little PC' which, if you don't know, means political correct (and being politically correct means that you are being conscious of a certain group's sensitivities and speaking respectfully when referencing them) - so seriously guys, stop hating. He obviously didn't know Misha said 'gay', and he was trying so hard not to p*ss anyone off.
Misha gave out the original script for episode 7x17 and the girl who won it posted the scene on tumblr. The lines were not THAT affeminate as they claimed, I think they just really read too much into it. I remember one line, that goes: "I've never stopped wanting to fix it either." :D
I'm glad they changed the dialogue. That's not the only dialogue that the actors felt needed to be changed because it was out of character to say it as it was written. I don't ship it myself, but it's clear that they loved each other in as brothers or possibly more if that's what you think. And yes I know all about the writers wanting it to be more than just a brother relationship. I think they all are wonderful actors and we should just focus on the fact that it was an awesome show
Or maybe the characters were just not ready for declarations of love at that time. Dean's got trouble with those on a good day, and Cas isn't always in tune with emotions.
@@randomepic6204 Is this what you spend your time doing? Going through 10 year old videos and replying to 8 year old comments to let strangers know you disagree with their opinions? Truly, you lead a thrilling life.
@@deProfundisClamoAdTe I noticed that too , their? comments are everywhere, like “ no Cas is the worst character on the show/ the Winchesters are heterosexual/ Destiel is not real/ I am happy to the way the show ended… etc.” they are so hateful
I think this was the episode that made Sera Gamble leave her post. They made things tough for her. They took away her music budget. So there was no more classic rock. Eric wrote Gumby girl into the script [I forgot her name] and Sera had to deal with this new character and her son in the new season. Female fans didn't show their support. There were talks of burning torches and angry mobs. I think she braved it because she is one of the slashers. So she knows how the slashers brain works. Unfortunately the thought of three men doubling over with laughter over something she wrote...I dunno, if it were me, I would feel crappy. Not only did Jensen change things without even telling her [I mean she's a phone call away] he decided to bring it up at a convention. Just his expression alone is an eyebrow-raiser. Just think, if Eric Kripke, the original showrunner wrote that script, do you think Jensen would have been so disrespectful. I don't care how damn hot he is, but he shouldn't say that the showrunner's work is ridiculous. It's wrong.
While I do agree that his choice of words could be deemed as disrespectful in some parts, it's not the only time the cast has changed lines they thought were ridiculous. Goodbye Stranger is another example, and that episode was written by one of the male writers. He also went on to say (possibly only to be pc - who knows) that she's a great writer, but writes like a girl. Well... she does. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. I wouldn't be happy about someone laughing at my work either, but he's entitled to his opinion on how a character he'd been playing for almost 8 years should be portrayed.
+Diane Winchester wow attacking jensen over ships... what a big surprise. jensen is the one who created dean's personality (with kim manners) added layers & gave him heart & soul, so he knows best what dean is & what is'nt. infact dean by canon, is'nt a chat feelings guy, let alone say to his friend ''I really hoped you would come back someday" which is a thing that only someone involved in a relationship/breakup would say. & guess what dean was'nt in a relationship with cas, they are freaking friends. so how abt stop confusing reality & what is canon on the show, (dean & cas friendship) with fic (slash) & attacking jensen cause he stated the obvious. as for gable she scr*** up big time. it was her desicion to drop rock music, get rid of cas, kill bobby, end result dropped ratings(=less incoms) & that's why she was axed. also gable was a known special snowflake fangirl, so thought it was funny to pimp her favorite by scr*** dean = dean/cas jokes which writers saw was selling & run with it. & since then they did clear fan service, which had a backlash on jensen whenever he dared to state the obvious=dean & cas are friends by canon & nothing else. also gumpy girl as you called her was gable's creation, & being brought back in, was her desicion since she took over in s6. so how abt stop spreading bs & leave jensen alone
No kidding. "She's a girl. She doesn't always understand how to write men." Meanwhile, decades of us being presented with female characters that are primarily written by men... At any rate, that's so fucking shitty for him to boil down her writing style, experience, and decisions to her gender.
I know this video is old, it's just that I can't resist to comment.. These people in the comment section saying Jensen is homophobic for saying "It's unmanly for Dean", it's ridiculous. I don't get why some fans insist what they want for the show - pushing the stories that they've wanted. I don't want the series turns out like, they can't kill a woman or get rid of her because the show will be sexist. The show needs woman empowerment something like that OR they need to make Dean a Bi or else the series will be homophobic. Supernatural is about "supernatural" (no shit), it's about the guys fighting with Supernatural entities and that's it. I'm a destiel shipper (and a proud one) but I get embarassed when they ask these type of questions. Jensen is right, it didn't suit to Dean's character, even when it comes to his brother, he can't expresss himself. I love Destiel what they are right now, saving and caring for each other. And that's the reason why I fall in love this couple. haha. I know some of you are offended of what I've said earlier but if you're a fan of Supernatural and you fall in love with this series without a couple (your OTP to be a canon) then you can watch the series accepting the fact that Destiel wouldn't be a canon.
that's why I love him. He protects Dean, the writers butcher him... currently I'm bored to death I want more purgatory flashbacks they were so intriguing.. also sick of the stand-alones, get to the myth arc already!
I don't think it's out of this world that Dean would be a little mushy at times. I mean, he mimed the words to "I'm all out of love" for Christ's sake! That's über-cheese.
Fast forward to 2020. If Jensen thought that it was gay to say "a part of me always knew youd come back..." then Jensen must *definitly* think Dean is in gay love with Cas, now that hes given him a mixed tape and said WAYYY more "unmanly" things than that to Cas. (Like his prayer the second time they were in purgatory)
I don't think they meant they wouldn't say the lines how they were because they were 'too gay' or whatever, I think they meant they were really out of character and wouldn't be something that Dean or Cas would say to each other naturally.
I feel like Misha is totally up for Destiel to be canon and ships it but Jensen is too uncomfortable with acting gay or bi because it's his friend cos he "knows Dean" but Misha (totally professional) knows the difference between Dean and Castiel, and Jensen and Misha, and the difference between scrip/fiction and reality.
I'll just say one thing. When a lesbian/gay person gets shipped with the opposite sex. They get uncomfortable because I had a friend who I didn't knew was lesbian and I shipped her with a guy friend of mine. Every time I told her about it.. she got uncomfortable, weirded out and tried to change the subject. So similarly, when a straight person gets shipped with a person of the same sex, we get uncomfortable and weirded out but that doesn't mean we're homophobic.
These two things are not the same coz you were shipping a real person who is not an actor (your friend) but we ship their characters not the actors, and for most actors they should be easily able to separate themselves from their characters.
@@HasnaaAlaa oh yeah I totally agree with you. But I wrote this comment because a lot people were accusing Jensen of being homophobic because he expressed feeling uncomfortable to do such intimate scenes with an actor of the same sex. As for me, I have no problem with people shipping whoever they want, peacefully. What I dislike is some fans disregard the boundaries of the actual actors with their kinks and fetishes regarding their ships.
i kind of agree with Jensen, that would've been REALLY out of character. i mean, from cas? it's okay, he even could say "worse" things. but dean? no. dean is a really closed character since forever. he doesn't like talking about his emotions and he doesn't get romantically envolved with others. maybe, the way he said it wasn't the best, but i would be really upset too if people always wanted me to make out with my friend. don't get me wrong, i do ship destiel, but fans can get to kinky and it's kinda embarrasing. and yeah, he used the term "unmanly" (and for what i heard, not to replace it for gay) because it is unmanly.
Exactly. The writers weren't trying to make Destiel canon, nor do I think they ever will. Some people want it to happen so badly that they see it in everything. It's fine to ship on fan fic sites, but I cringe every time someone brings it up to the actors at cons. You can tell that it makes them uncomfortable and it has nothing to do with the actual TV show.
I think Jensen just pitch-perfectly visually displayed just how emotionally constipated men force themselves to be. Still, good to know for (fan)writers.
I love this video,but I'm really sorry to hear that they didn't want to say the lines as they originally were.If things are like these,Destiel will never be canon *heart breaking in million pieces*
Honestly if they kept the script how it was with dean saying that... I would have laughed with cringe because it would be akward and totally not like dean I wouldn't have believed that they would write that in the script. It would definetly have been weird
There is another video somewhere on CZcams (from another con) where Jensen says that he, Misha, and Bob Singer spent the better part of an afternoon on set re-writing that scene because it read like two lovers re-uniting and no one involved liked it. This should tell people that Destiel will NEVER be canon.
It low key sucks that Jensen replaced the word “gay”with the scene not being manly bc men can still be “manly” and be gay just as men can be feminine and be straight like the whole toxic masculinity thing is so outdated and the whole “it makes sense that the scene sounded gay bc it was written by a girl” comment like what?! Tf is that sexist logic?? idk I just wish Jensen felt more comfortable exploring deans emotional side towards cas... (no hate to Jensen)
Yes, Jensen is so limited. Dean is heterosexual, but we - Cass fans have decided he MUST LOVE MAN. So Jensen kindly, be open. If we decide that Charlie (she's a lesbian) has to love men, she just will. We are a fandom who changes the rules of nature. But no hatred
Sera ships Destiel. I can already hear the entire Supernatural fandom hoping that she writes the first episode of Season 8 where Dean and Cas are in Purgatory together.
I totally get what Jensen was saying...but some of it seemed to have a hint of toxic masculinity. I get that Dean would probably not express emotions like that TO ANYONE. Man or woman, but like female writers aren’t the only ones who write like that and not all female writers write like that. Eh, just my opinion...ALSO. I love that this scene was “too unmanly (NOT THE SAME AS SAYING GAY BTW, Jensen)” but they proceeded to have even gayer scenes in the next couple of seasons. 😂 btw I love Jensen to bits but these comments made me feel uncomfortable.
So apparently dean is homophobic for staying in his sexuality and denying that him and his character "Dean" are gay. Is this seriously what we've come to....FUCK!
Alexander Jensen didn't refer to it meaning it was gay. To me it seems like it sounded like something out of those cliche chick flick movies. Misha was the one who said it was gay.
Yeah, this sounds more like it came from the emotionally repressed and damaged Dean. I would have hoped that the actor had a better grasp on the infinite wonderful varieties of masculinity and communication styles, rather than so obviously falling back on a binary that consistently throws women, and anything associated with women, under the bus.
That 'Cuz I never stopped wanting to fix it' together with 'just take it, please.' would be a big subtext material for Destiel fandom. It's too tender for Dean. Cas could say something like that, even more, because it's Cas, but for Dean it's too chick-flick moment, I think.
But there's also that thing where the more I read it the more I come to 'accept it' and 'like it' so yeeeh... if they read that enough times, maybe they would see it that way too? lol only the first impression is that much OCC sounding.
Really upset that Jensen used "unmanly" to replace "gay". Yikes. Jensen comes off as really homophobic. Not saying that he is, but come on, some of the shit he says is offensive.
Lol most of the time you wouldn't even know they're gay, which is probably why you haven't noticed if you've ever met/seen one :) gay doesn't necessarily mean unmanly, and not just in the case of bears, just like straight doesn't necessarily mean manly. I have a few friends who say they're straight, and they most likely are, but they're very feminine :)
I also have some extremely flamboyant gay friends, and those are the ones that immediately come to mind when someone mentions it, it's a pretty common stereotype :P
All the gay men I have met are manly because they are men. It's as simple as that. Just because you define 'manliness' by how 'macho' someone acts doesn't mean everyone else does. All this sexist bullshit is why so many men don't report cases of eating disorders, depression or sexual assault because they think 'manliness' is some measurable thing they have to live up too.
Actually, no they don't. As someone from a legal background and with many family and friends in medicine that's one of the biggest problems in the field and with collecting data and is why many high school health programs where I come from now specifically target awareness of men's issues in these areas. And obviously there are women who have issues with reporting assault cases too, it is just less likely for men to report then women.
"I would never say this to another human being, especially a man?" Excuse me, sir, you are playing a character that is not straight. Don't let your own straight heteronormative ideals get in the way of playing Dean Winchester.
Jensen was trying to keep the sexual undertone out of it by referring to the fact that it was out of character. Misha labelled it as being gay. I don't think there's anything bigoted about him. He just happens to be a heterosexual male playing a heterosexual male who tends to go out of his way to avoid "chick flick" moments, that whole exchange was weird.
then try some bible porn slash or something harhar. you know, just for you people. I will make a father-son movie, and write so many lines as if the father and son are in an incest relationship just for you people pissed off that your favorte actors don't want their characters in sappy melomdramatic romantiic-sexual relationships.
Dude, Jensen's aunt is married to a woman. He literally said he'd be cool with JJ dating Jared's daughter, if he every ever had one. Dude's not homophobic.
Kalinda Khan Hi Kalinda, I wrote a reply to Alexis Foster regarding this sexuality issue. I've cut and paste it for you. Please tell me what you think. ''Hey there! As a classic slasher may I give you a few pearls of wisdom. While I agree with what you are saying [I think Jensen is a little and a little snooty] the one area that I have a qualm with is mention of Dean's sexuality. Classic slashers, in other words, female slashers whose art is resonant of female sexuality, don't use the words gay or bi. Slash is female sexual fantasy. For forty or so happy years, it stayed as such. If we wish to have a discussion about sexual rights, orientation etc, we look for other outlets. Slash should be preserved because women don't have any other form of sexual expression. I think I would say Destiel is not canon because Jensen doesn't want to kiss another dude. That is the crux of the issue. I think Jensen blushes easily. And there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, none of the modern slashers know the difference between erotica and smut. Neither do our beautiful boys up there. You don't have to even touch someone to portray love or eroticism. The teenagers need to learn from their elders.''
That awkward moment when the writer's accidentally mixed up their Dastiel fanfic and the actual script. X,D
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Lmao yassss xD
Nope
A destiel fan snuck into the building and changed the script.
.....There is no other explanation..................
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@@smoothskinnnn eww
I get the feeling the line Misha couldn't say to Dean in that scene after Dean also couldn't say (or it's cut out) "I guess I always knew you'll come back" is something like "I will always come back to you.." or something like that. I think it fits y'know? :D
even the fucking writers want destiel canon
Ava Frankovsky Correction; one writer wants it canon
+Al Speid Correction; she did not write all the episodes where subtext is clearly seen.
No tf they dont
@@greenskull3393 no he doesnt
@@randomepic6204 shut your mouth
Does anyone else want to hear the lines that were cut out? I mean, its totally fanfic material if he would never say it to another human, let alone a man.
+Castiel Novak (Cas) im pretty sure its alr in a lot of fanfics
I wanted them to reenact that scene. xD
I ship Destiel, but I'm embarrassed for the actors when things like this come up
if you actually listen to what they're saying, the objection to the line really came from it seeming out of character for Dean to say it, rather than having a problem with the sentiment behind it. The fact that Dean kept the coat in itself show his affection for Cas, the lines made it over the top. At least that's what I got from this.
Jensen said that acting would be weird if Destiel ever became.. Destiel, and that he didnt want that because he likes the way it is and he doesnt want that strange feeling every time he has a scene with Misha. or something like that. and i can honestly respect that. i respect Jensens feelings and i will always ship Destiel, and i will always read/write Destiel fanfics but i accept the fact that Destiel will probably never become canon
@Kate B. it's not called homophobia, you're really trying to make it out like he's homophobic when he's not. With the women (other than his wife), he wasn't close to any of them they were just actors. With Misha who is one of his best friends, it's different. Which you failed to mention. Not to mention he goes very in depth with his character, he's very in tune with what Dean would be like. And to make Destiel a thing, that would be very out of character for Dean and Castiel. That wouldn't be real, so you can calm down and stop assuming. Plus he's played bisexual character before.🙄
@Kate B. the definition of homophobia "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people." even if he judged if Dean and Cas, goes together, that's based on preference, not homophobia, since he will be actually doing the stuff. Just because he just don't want to do gay stuff doesn't mean he's homophobic, that's like, saying a straight guy is homophobic because he doesn't want to have a fake sexual relationship with another guy. That makes no sense.
@Kate B. WOW you are an idiot, Jensen is not homophobic, I personally would feel uncomfortable in that situation because even if it's acting, the actresses he was with, were just actresses, imagine with one of your best friends besides these guys are dorks if they made scenes like that they would laugh all the time, I shippeo destiel but honestly I would be angry if they made him a canon because it would be disloyal to the story and the characters
Destiel Canon now
Destiel canon now 😌
I don't think Jensen Ackles is homophobic, I think he's simply of the opinion that it would be out of character for Dean to be in love with Cas. I mean, I ship Destiel, but I'd agree that it would be out of character.
***** I think it would be OOC for Dean to /admit/ that he loves Castiel. Cause Sam said all the way back in season 2 when Dean was all "Why does everyone think we're gay??" (or 1. Before Dean sold his soul) that Dean acted REALLY butch, like he was compensating for something. Dean just doesn't talk about his emotions, especially the gooey ones like love. Dude's so far in the closet about his feelings for Cas he found Narnia.
***** To be fair, though, Jensen has played a bi man in the past. If I were to speculate, I would say a lot of the discomfort comes from some of the more intense fans (to put it nicely) doing things like showing him fan art of him and one of (or more than one if we're talking about Wincestiel) his best friends having sex. You can only joke about it for so long before you get sick of people bringing it up.
There's also the sense that no matter how he portrays Dean or how the writers write the character or any number of the show's creative elements do their thing, people are always going to be unhappy with what happens; which is pretty terrifying since he's the one portraying the character and mostly likely to get the brunt of the heat.
tl;dr - it's probably not as simple as "he acted like this, so clearly that means he's homophobic." Until he expains (if he explains) his reasonings, I don't think we as fans are in a place to pass judgement on someone we don't personally know on such a deeply personal issue as this (sorry, I fail at tl;drs :P).
BinJLG "Dude's so far in the closet about his feelings for Cas he's found Narnia"
I'm a Destiel shipper and that cracked me up 😂
i only ship destiel as fanfic, thats just how far it is. but in d show, i see two brothers adopting their best friend angel as their third(fourth?) brother into their family... i think jensen understands his character very well, that dean sees cas as his best friend or part of their family and putting any romantic thing on that ruins d whole character or relationships that d characters built... just my opinion...
@@BinJLG wrong
The writers wanted to make like Destiel kinda cannon but Jensen is right, those fluffy lines wouldnt work out, considering their whole history.
No tf they didn't. Destiel isn't real
I bet you as soon as they read that the first time they were like "no friggin wonder they ship destiel!"
they should have made it a gag reel x)
I think Jensen was right in saying it wasn't something the characters would say because at the time they weren't as close as they were after a year in purgatory together. He wasn't one to say something as intimate as that. He shows his love for Cas in more subtle ways. The "I need you" scene was very intimate so I do think a lot changed between the two in season 8. Dean became more comfortable with his feelings for Cas. Destiel is canon. Over the past year there was major character development!
Destiel isn't canon, and no dean nor CAS love each other romantically stop
sorry honestly don't blame jensen for being "uncomfortable" (if he even is) like some fans are sooooo intense about the ship and have no sense of boundaries. like misha is one of jensens best friends so it can make things uncomfortable. doesn't mean he is homophobic. don't attack him for stupid things, if he's not comfortable doing something don't guilt trip him and make him feel bad about it. jeez.
Well said! And though a lot of actors do things they're uncomfortable with, it doesn't mean because other actors do, Jensen has to do the same. It's certainly not homophobic, he just took some creative liberties to honor the character best.
It would only be homophobic of he physically attacked fans who were LGBT. People seriously need to learn what that word means
i love destiel in way where it's almost like- soulmates, almost. you know me better than anyone and i would do anything for you, i know you better than anyone and you would do anything for me but i don't think it's in either of their characters to be in a long lasting relationship. that being said, i think having that certain bond is what makes it really amazing to me. destiel isn't the stereotypical "love" everyone expects, it's way stronger than anything because despite everything that's happened, they will always come back to each other in the end. i think that's a lot more beautiful than titles.
Destiel isn't real and they're not in love or soulmates. Dean is straight...
The writers ship them more than even the fangirls do
No they dont
I really wish that hadn't been cut out :( thanks Jensen and Misha
I wish they'd left in "Part of me always believed that you'd come back." I don't think it's effeminate, in fact, it's along the lines of what one would say to their best friend after not having seen them in months and having believed them dead. Sometimes I think these guys overthink this stuff because of the way fandom is, lol. Still, I can see where Dean, a character who's never had an easy time expressing his feelings, wouldn't say something like that. Hopefully it'll be on the DVD extras.
yeah i think those lines could've stayed in because I think they would've fit like story wise with Dean because hes seen people die and come back so many times already. He's seen Sam die and come back too so why wouldn't he believe that Cas would somehow find a way to come back ? He's even seen Cas die and come back so those lines wouldn't be a romantic type of 'I felt in my heart that you would come back to me' it would be more based on his experiences with those close to him who never really die
He's said snappier things since then... reading this now I'm amazed that this was too enotional for dean to say.
Also makes me think if he thought *that* was gay, he definitely must think Dean is in love with Cas by this point.
Seems to me that just showing us Dean had kept the coat made that dialogue unnecessary. If they had started talking like a romance novel it would have made the scene campy instead of profound. Dean, Sam and Castiel had each died and come back at least once already, so I believe he had been hanging onto the idea that Cas might come back.
@@ultravioletpisces3666 we meet again
@@ultravioletpisces3666 also. They're not gay, or canon and destiel isn't real
Though I love destiel, but I can divide real life and fanfiction and think that it is quite embarassing for them when fans ask them "slash" questions
i like asking anti bully people about that. "so, if it's bullying to spread romance rumors in schooolss about your peers, then why is it bad for me to make people feel dirty for writing porn involving real people? it dosen't matter if it is Vladimair Putin and Ron Paul, Chris LaSala and PewDiPie, or any countless actors. if saying "sally likes timmy" lies in a school is bullying, then someone needs to put the sickos in their place"
kaiyodei i get where you're coming from but its not like we're asking them about their relationship, we're asking them about their characters. and they don't feel uncomfortable discussing romantic/sexual scenes they had with women
They dont seem embarrassed discussing this at all.
@@natasa8zkdl because it's normal, destiel isn't
@@ultravioletpisces3666 yes they do open your eyes
I think it could involve itself in the actual show, but I do hate it when the actors get uncomfortable. I'm a Destiel fan who would never actually ask them about it.
Seeing Misha having to tapdance and agree with the anti Destiel sentiment on stage when inside he's been a fan and playing Cas as in love with Dean is priceless!
He didn't tapdance, he knows destiel isn't canon and acted as he should have
@@randomepic6204 yeah the last season and Cas declaring his ROMANTIC love to Dean says otherwise. Bobo wanted that and Misha agreed and they both fought for it.
@@kate-oh3ey yea that wasn't a ROMANTIC love confession and didn't go canon and I call cap the writers didn't fight over it so....no.
Mishas a POS for pandering to a completely random community that had nothing to do with the series only to back peddle. Yea some hero
Also he's the worse character in this show. He's insufferable. This show was about 2 heterosexual brothers and I'm glad the series ended that way.
@@randomepic6204 seeing other people's perspective on this show is insane to me. i can't believe other people watched the scenes with dr sexy and purgatory and still believe dean's 100% heterosexual.
It was gay enough that he kept the coat and we saw this scene when Cass got it back. I would pay for the original script but to be honest it was just fine this way. We can still imagine things what wasn't there XD
10 years later, or whatever, if Jensen thinks those cut lines where gay then he damn sure knows that Dean is in love with Cas now.
@@ultravioletpisces3666 oh how funny to see my old comments now... I tried so hard to not ship... I tried to not hurt myself with something THAT I CAN'T HAVE kakhsnajjanbyksnyb
@@ultravioletpisces3666 no
i don't think jensen is homophobic, but we all know dean very well and he doesnt show emotion like everyone else. it was a wonderful moment and i feel like it was perfect! of destiel we're go become canon (which i want so so so bad), then the writers would definitely write it so it fits dean and cas' characters and makes misha and jensen as comfortable as they can be filming it c:
Too bad. It's not real or canon
"I guess I really hoped you would come back someday" THE FEELS
2:29 I melted. Look at my name...You understand.
I can just see it in Mishas eyes how much he ships Destiel, and later I found out he really does it too! He wants them together so badly
Too bad
no but, being honest? a lot of my friends are men,I have and older brother so I've around boys for as long as I can remember and they don't have that kind of talk, they don't talk about their feelings and are so open, so believe me if I say this: at first I was also a little offended about the hole "unmanly" thing(and I'm a destiel shipper) but it is unmanly, just not because it's a gay thing, but because I can't picture a man actually saying that to another man(unless they've been in a long term relationship)... and you have to remember that they weren't that close at that part, in fact dean was angry and hurt about cas betraying them so yeah, he wouldn't have said that
society is at fault for that
yes it is. It's just like they force each other to shut their feelings. Idk it's... it's kinda sad
they made a docu-movie, I think it's called "the masks we wear" or "man up" or something. I think the Missrepresntation crew did it. and some people did things and they asked boys in school, for an assigment to "write down the hardest things about being a boy are" and you get the kids with "that I have to be good at sports/like violance/can't cry when I'm hurt/can't show emotions"
could be even sadder when a woman tries to make herself stoic and not "melodramatically sappy to ludicrous proportions" like the "really? you got sick for weeks and cried for months when they killed off your favorite character? seesh, yes it was sad, but lordy! stop acting like your whole family just exploded.
protip. don't do that to your self and ruin your emotions and distance yourself. you won't know how to deal with anything.
Sure, I agree the characters wouldn't have said that, and that's independent of their sexual orientation. So it's a bummer that Jensen and Misha revealed how they associate "unmanliness" with being gay by... calling it gay. ::shrug:: That's a pretty clear cut understanding of this moment in this panel.
I would have folded up onto the floor if they reenacted it but not because it was funny but because I am just Destiel shipper trash and I would have died fangirling
same
The original lines from Dean were: "Dumb to keep. I know. I saw you dissolve or whatever. But, just in case. ‘Cause I never stopped wanting to fix it either. So we got something in common. Just- take it. Please." I don't think that they were so bad, but I don't think Dean would say something like that to a guy :)
Wow... cut to now and I can see dean saying that.
@@ultravioletpisces3666 no
These guys are so awesome
"coz she's a girl"(about Sarah) , "feminine lines" ?
TheUazula Maybe don't let your fanfictions intrude on the reality of the show, sir. Dean is definitely straight.
Also, since he's played the character for a decade now, I think he has a pretty good idea of what's "in character" for Dean, and if he feels it's not a line appropriate to the character and/or the relationship with Cas, I trust him. It happens all the time with actors in long-lasting roles.
Thanks to the cast for protecting their charasters from OOCness
I don't really think Jensen is homophobic.. didn't he play Patrick dempsey's lover in a movie?
Mhm his character was named cas...
@@laneyjarchow2626 that has absolutely nothing to do
Its not that he is homophobic because he isn't. It is just he knew it wasn't something that dean would do or say.
I think it's ridic. that Jensen gets hate and gets called homophobic for these things. He even said 'Just trying to be a little PC' which, if you don't know, means political correct (and being politically correct means that you are being conscious of a certain group's sensitivities and speaking respectfully when referencing them) - so seriously guys, stop hating. He obviously didn't know Misha said 'gay', and he was trying so hard not to p*ss anyone off.
Misha gave out the original script for episode 7x17 and the girl who won it posted the scene on tumblr. The lines were not THAT affeminate as they claimed, I think they just really read too much into it. I remember one line, that goes: "I've never stopped wanting to fix it either." :D
I'm glad they changed the dialogue. That's not the only dialogue that the actors felt needed to be changed because it was out of character to say it as it was written. I don't ship it myself, but it's clear that they loved each other in as brothers or possibly more if that's what you think. And yes I know all about the writers wanting it to be more than just a brother relationship. I think they all are wonderful actors and we should just focus on the fact that it was an awesome show
Or maybe the characters were just not ready for declarations of love at that time. Dean's got trouble with those on a good day, and Cas isn't always in tune with emotions.
Or ever. It's not real
@@randomepic6204 Is this what you spend your time doing? Going through 10 year old videos and replying to 8 year old comments to let strangers know you disagree with their opinions? Truly, you lead a thrilling life.
@@deProfundisClamoAdTe if that's what you believe......
@@deProfundisClamoAdTe I noticed that too , their? comments are everywhere, like “ no Cas is the worst character on the show/ the Winchesters are heterosexual/ Destiel is not real/ I am happy to the way the show ended… etc.” they are so hateful
@@drdlrb5073 no no no, your not gonna spread that bs lol.
I think this was the episode that made Sera Gamble leave her post. They made things tough for her. They took away her music budget. So there was no more classic rock. Eric wrote Gumby girl into the script [I forgot her name] and Sera had to deal with this new character and her son in the new season. Female fans didn't show their support. There were talks of burning torches and angry mobs. I think she braved it because she is one of the slashers. So she knows how the slashers brain works. Unfortunately the thought of three men doubling over with laughter over something she wrote...I dunno, if it were me, I would feel crappy. Not only did Jensen change things without even telling her [I mean she's a phone call away] he decided to bring it up at a convention. Just his expression alone is an eyebrow-raiser. Just think, if Eric Kripke, the original showrunner wrote that script, do you think Jensen would have been so disrespectful. I don't care how damn hot he is, but he shouldn't say that the showrunner's work is ridiculous. It's wrong.
While I do agree that his choice of words could be deemed as disrespectful in some parts, it's not the only time the cast has changed lines they thought were ridiculous. Goodbye Stranger is another example, and that episode was written by one of the male writers. He also went on to say (possibly only to be pc - who knows) that she's a great writer, but writes like a girl. Well... she does. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. I wouldn't be happy about someone laughing at my work either, but he's entitled to his opinion on how a character he'd been playing for almost 8 years should be portrayed.
+Diane Winchester wow attacking jensen over ships... what a big surprise. jensen is the one who created dean's personality (with kim manners) added layers & gave him heart & soul, so he knows best what dean is & what is'nt. infact dean by canon, is'nt a chat feelings guy, let alone say to his friend ''I really hoped you would come back someday" which is a thing that only someone involved in a relationship/breakup would say. & guess what dean was'nt in a relationship with cas, they are freaking friends. so how abt stop confusing reality & what is canon on the show, (dean & cas friendship) with fic (slash) & attacking jensen cause he stated the obvious. as for gable she scr*** up big time. it was her desicion to drop rock music, get rid of cas, kill bobby, end result dropped ratings(=less incoms) & that's why she was axed. also gable was a known special snowflake fangirl, so thought it was funny to pimp her favorite by scr*** dean = dean/cas jokes which writers saw was selling & run with it. & since then they did clear fan service, which had a backlash on jensen whenever he dared to state the obvious=dean & cas are friends by canon & nothing else. also gumpy girl as you called her was gable's creation, & being brought back in, was her desicion since she took over in s6. so how abt stop spreading bs & leave jensen alone
No kidding. "She's a girl. She doesn't always understand how to write men." Meanwhile, decades of us being presented with female characters that are primarily written by men...
At any rate, that's so fucking shitty for him to boil down her writing style, experience, and decisions to her gender.
well this aged badly lol
No it didn't
I know this video is old, it's just that I can't resist to comment.. These people in the comment section saying Jensen is homophobic for saying "It's unmanly for Dean", it's ridiculous. I don't get why some fans insist what they want for the show - pushing the stories that they've wanted. I don't want the series turns out like, they can't kill a woman or get rid of her because the show will be sexist. The show needs woman empowerment something like that OR they need to make Dean a Bi or else the series will be homophobic. Supernatural is about "supernatural" (no shit), it's about the guys fighting with Supernatural entities and that's it. I'm a destiel shipper (and a proud one) but I get embarassed when they ask these type of questions. Jensen is right, it didn't suit to Dean's character, even when it comes to his brother, he can't expresss himself. I love Destiel what they are right now, saving and caring for each other. And that's the reason why I fall in love this couple. haha. I know some of you are offended of what I've said earlier but if you're a fan of Supernatural and you fall in love with this series without a couple (your OTP to be a canon) then you can watch the series accepting the fact that Destiel wouldn't be a canon.
I think I would explode from excitement if they made Destiel canon officially :D
that's why I love him. He protects Dean, the writers butcher him... currently I'm bored to death I want more purgatory flashbacks they were so intriguing.. also sick of the stand-alones, get to the myth arc already!
I don't think it's out of this world that Dean would be a little mushy at times. I mean, he mimed the words to "I'm all out of love" for Christ's sake! That's über-cheese.
Oh, Sera knows what she's doing ;D
Why did they change it!!!
I HAVE LITERALLY ZERO DOUBTS THE WRITERS ARE TRYING TOGETHER DEAN AND CAS TOGETHER AND JENSEN IS JUST LIKE 'LOLNOPE'
I don't think I've ever seen Misha so serious around Jensen. I may be wrong
He is now
well this aged well jdkfgsds
OMG DESTIEL IS CANON!
No it's not canon giggle box
this makes me sad
IM CRINGING SO HARD WHY DID YOU SAY THAT JENSEN
Dean was too emotionally constipated for that. overt feelings are only for sammy, cause he is basically his child
The writers obviously wanted to play out Destiel lol
wow 666 views! :O
Jus in Bello :)
I really want to know the original lines xD
yup, Sera is a destiel shipper
Fast forward to 2020. If Jensen thought that it was gay to say "a part of me always knew youd come back..." then Jensen must *definitly* think Dean is in gay love with Cas, now that hes given him a mixed tape and said WAYYY more "unmanly" things than that to Cas. (Like his prayer the second time they were in purgatory)
Omg go tf away with your bs already
I don't think they meant they wouldn't say the lines how they were because they were 'too gay' or whatever, I think they meant they were really out of character and wouldn't be something that Dean or Cas would say to each other naturally.
1:34 *-*
Well castiel isn't technically another human being
I have a feeling that that ISN'T the line they're referring to, though. I think it may have been something cheesier.
What does JIB3 stand for?
Destiel is canon asdfghjkl
I feel like Misha is totally up for Destiel to be canon and ships it but Jensen is too uncomfortable with acting gay or bi because it's his friend cos he "knows Dean" but Misha (totally professional) knows the difference between Dean and Castiel, and Jensen and Misha, and the difference between scrip/fiction and reality.
03:01 OMGGG THE SOFTEST TINIEST DEAN...wagaaahahahahahahhaa
I'll just say one thing. When a lesbian/gay person gets shipped with the opposite sex. They get uncomfortable because I had a friend who I didn't knew was lesbian and I shipped her with a guy friend of mine. Every time I told her about it.. she got uncomfortable, weirded out and tried to change the subject. So similarly, when a straight person gets shipped with a person of the same sex, we get uncomfortable and weirded out but that doesn't mean we're homophobic.
These two things are not the same coz you were shipping a real person who is not an actor (your friend) but we ship their characters not the actors, and for most actors they should be easily able to separate themselves from their characters.
@@HasnaaAlaa oh yeah I totally agree with you. But I wrote this comment because a lot people were accusing Jensen of being homophobic because he expressed feeling uncomfortable to do such intimate scenes with an actor of the same sex. As for me, I have no problem with people shipping whoever they want, peacefully. What I dislike is some fans disregard the boundaries of the actual actors with their kinks and fetishes regarding their ships.
i kind of agree with Jensen, that would've been REALLY out of character. i mean, from cas? it's okay, he even could say "worse" things. but dean? no. dean is a really closed character since forever. he doesn't like talking about his emotions and he doesn't get romantically envolved with others. maybe, the way he said it wasn't the best, but i would be really upset too if people always wanted me to make out with my friend. don't get me wrong, i do ship destiel, but fans can get to kinky and it's kinda embarrasing.
and yeah, he used the term "unmanly" (and for what i heard, not to replace it for gay) because it is unmanly.
besides yeah it was out of character
That sounded offensive.
Oh shut up *rolls eyes*
A straight man wouldn't say he cuddled up with another man's coat while he was gone, so offensive.
Exactly. The writers weren't trying to make Destiel canon, nor do I think they ever will. Some people want it to happen so badly that they see it in everything. It's fine to ship on fan fic sites, but I cringe every time someone brings it up to the actors at cons. You can tell that it makes them uncomfortable and it has nothing to do with the actual TV show.
I think Jensen just pitch-perfectly visually displayed just how emotionally constipated men force themselves to be.
Still, good to know for (fan)writers.
I love this video,but I'm really sorry to hear that they didn't want to say the lines as they originally were.If things are like these,Destiel will never be canon *heart breaking in million pieces*
Honestly if they kept the script how it was with dean saying that... I would have laughed with cringe because it would be akward and totally not like dean
I wouldn't have believed that they would write that in the script. It would definetly have been weird
There is another video somewhere on CZcams (from another con) where Jensen says that he, Misha, and Bob Singer spent the better part of an afternoon on set re-writing that scene because it read like two lovers re-uniting and no one involved liked it. This should tell people that Destiel will NEVER be canon.
Sarah ships destiel
It low key sucks that Jensen replaced the word “gay”with the scene not being manly bc men can still be “manly” and be gay just as men can be feminine and be straight like the whole toxic masculinity thing is so outdated and the whole “it makes sense that the scene sounded gay bc it was written by a girl” comment like what?! Tf is that sexist logic?? idk I just wish Jensen felt more comfortable exploring deans emotional side towards cas... (no hate to Jensen)
It was not a good choice of words, imo. But also no hate to jensen.
Yes, Jensen is so limited. Dean is heterosexual, but we - Cass fans have decided he MUST LOVE MAN. So Jensen kindly, be open. If we decide that Charlie (she's a lesbian) has to love men, she just will. We are a fandom who changes the rules of nature. But no hatred
Sera ships Destiel.
I can already hear the entire Supernatural fandom hoping that she writes the first episode of Season 8 where Dean and Cas are in Purgatory together.
I totally get what Jensen was saying...but some of it seemed to have a hint of toxic masculinity. I get that Dean would probably not express emotions like that TO ANYONE. Man or woman, but like female writers aren’t the only ones who write like that and not all female writers write like that. Eh, just my opinion...ALSO. I love that this scene was “too unmanly (NOT THE SAME AS SAYING GAY BTW, Jensen)” but they proceeded to have even gayer scenes in the next couple of seasons. 😂 btw I love Jensen to bits but these comments made me feel uncomfortable.
So apparently dean is homophobic for staying in his sexuality and denying that him and his character "Dean" are gay. Is this seriously what we've come to....FUCK!
A.J. L. People are saying he's homophobic because he compared being gay to being "unmanly".
Alexander Ohhhh that does seem Kinda homophobic
Alexander Jensen didn't refer to it meaning it was gay. To me it seems like it sounded like something out of those cliche chick flick movies. Misha was the one who said it was gay.
Al Speid There's nothing wrong with saying the scene was gay, it kind of was tbh. But Replacing the word gay with unmanly is kind of offensive.
Alexander He didn't replace it. He called it like he saw it (unmanly) like Misha called it like he saw it (gay)
It kind of bothers me how he keeps repeating how it's not okay for two guys to "talk like women" :( I can see Dean saying that but it still stings.
...Well on the broader scheme of things, you're gonna have worse days.
Yeah, this sounds more like it came from the emotionally repressed and damaged Dean. I would have hoped that the actor had a better grasp on the infinite wonderful varieties of masculinity and communication styles, rather than so obviously falling back on a binary that consistently throws women, and anything associated with women, under the bus.
i just read the original script and the lines were not as bad as they're letting on omfg now they are somewhat ooc yes but not //gay smh
That 'Cuz I never stopped wanting to fix it' together with 'just take it, please.' would be a big subtext material for Destiel fandom. It's too tender for Dean. Cas could say something like that, even more, because it's Cas, but for Dean it's too chick-flick moment, I think.
But there's also that thing where the more I read it the more I come to 'accept it' and 'like it' so yeeeh... if they read that enough times, maybe they would see it that way too? lol only the first impression is that much OCC sounding.
yea the just take it please was a lil too much but the rest i didnt think was that bad, they made it seem like it was awful
Really upset that Jensen used "unmanly" to replace "gay". Yikes. Jensen comes off as really homophobic. Not saying that he is, but come on, some of the shit he says is offensive.
Excuse me but have you ever heard the term "Bear"?
Lol most of the time you wouldn't even know they're gay, which is probably why you haven't noticed if you've ever met/seen one :) gay doesn't necessarily mean unmanly, and not just in the case of bears, just like straight doesn't necessarily mean manly. I have a few friends who say they're straight, and they most likely are, but they're very feminine :)
I also have some extremely flamboyant gay friends, and those are the ones that immediately come to mind when someone mentions it, it's a pretty common stereotype :P
All the gay men I have met are manly because they are men. It's as simple as that. Just because you define 'manliness' by how 'macho' someone acts doesn't mean everyone else does. All this sexist bullshit is why so many men don't report cases of eating disorders, depression or sexual assault because they think 'manliness' is some measurable thing they have to live up too.
Actually, no they don't. As someone from a legal background and with many family and friends in medicine that's one of the biggest problems in the field and with collecting data and is why many high school health programs where I come from now specifically target awareness of men's issues in these areas. And obviously there are women who have issues with reporting assault cases too, it is just less likely for men to report then women.
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"I would never say this to another human being, especially a man?" Excuse me, sir, you are playing a character that is not straight. Don't let your own straight heteronormative ideals get in the way of playing Dean Winchester.
Did you just say he plays a character that's not straight...?
OMg why is Jensen so homophobic. This totally kills the mood. I cannot ship cutie pie castiel with someone as bigoted as Jensen.
Jensen was trying to keep the sexual undertone out of it by referring to the fact that it was out of character. Misha labelled it as being gay. I don't think there's anything bigoted about him. He just happens to be a heterosexual male playing a heterosexual male who tends to go out of his way to avoid "chick flick" moments, that whole exchange was weird.
then try some bible porn slash or something harhar.
you know, just for you people. I will make a father-son movie, and write so many lines as if the father and son are in an incest relationship
just for you people pissed off that your favorte actors don't want their characters in sappy melomdramatic romantiic-sexual relationships.
Dude, Jensen's aunt is married to a woman. He literally said he'd be cool with JJ dating Jared's daughter, if he every ever had one. Dude's not homophobic.
Anika Sandhu i'm just curious, where did jensen say that about his and jared's kid?
Kalinda Khan Hi Kalinda, I wrote a reply to Alexis Foster regarding this sexuality issue. I've cut and paste it for you. Please tell me what you think. ''Hey there! As a classic slasher may I give you a few pearls of wisdom. While I agree with what you are saying [I think Jensen is a little and a little snooty] the one area that I have a qualm with is mention of Dean's sexuality. Classic slashers, in other words, female slashers whose art is resonant of female sexuality, don't use the words gay or bi. Slash is female sexual fantasy. For forty or so happy years, it stayed as such. If we wish to have a discussion about sexual rights, orientation etc, we look for other outlets. Slash should be preserved because women don't have any other form of sexual expression. I think I would say Destiel is not canon because Jensen doesn't want to kiss another dude. That is the crux of the issue. I think Jensen blushes easily. And there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, none of the modern slashers know the difference between erotica and smut. Neither do our beautiful boys up there. You don't have to even touch someone to portray love or eroticism. The teenagers need to learn from their elders.''
And then fast forward to 2018 where Jensen opens his brewery and is working with members of the Robertson family 😒😒😒 dude