Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water. Thank you KapteinKUK..... Geoff
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol) So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D Thanks for this super duper cool video ;) Thumbs up for your good job Nice scary chicken lol
Thanks for the video Rolf Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time? Thanks
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I? Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
Congrats!! Good video, thank you! I have one question, I am flying a drone and the flight is stable BUT when I turn up the throttle, I have vibrations and the motors sound with vibration. Is this from high value of P? Thank you.
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
I'm just starting to explore acro flying and have a question. I dont understand why the craft will not return to center (level) in your video when the right stick is released in your "good P gain, good I gain" example. Is that really how everyone flies? If it doesn't react to the stick being in the center position, how do you level it out? I usually run in horizon or angle and been trying to tune my pids for acro mode and I'm confused by that part in your video.
+Joe Spamola It is in manual mode meaning there is no autolevel when you release and return to center. You have to manually move the stick in the opposite direction to level it out. This is how 99% of all the pros fly.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
Hvor sånn ca. ender dette opp? Kom til 50 på P og 55 på I jeg, det får jeg ikke til å stemme med hva andre ender opp med. Og hva med PI/Yaw pot hvordan stiller den, eller har jeg ikke skjønt noenting når jeg ikke har rørt den enda? Har du noe mer detaljert video på gang for oss som egentlig ikke skjønner en dri.. av dette ;) hahaha
To do this in X mode you need to tie a string between the motors and center it accurately. Not as easy to do as in + mode and even in + mode string needs to be in line centered with motor shaft as shown.
That ending was stupid! Very unprofessional! I had just hit the subscribe button, but I don’t think so.
Still the best video I have seen when it comes to P and I tuning.
Old Equipment but still actual. So many pid tune vids out there but this old video is still absolute usable.
Great work! The best Video about PID tuning I have seen so far. Will definitely try the single axis on a string method!
for fuck sake that scared the shit out of me. Even though I was warned..
Totally excellent video, thanks! It is the first vid I've seen that actually demonstrates the effects of bad PID values, very helpful. I like the chicken!
Thank you so much for this. I was struggling with shaky video as well as almost impossible flight characteristics. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I`m a bit late saying this but this is the best video on youtube for showing how to set these settings! Well done! Best regards fro the UK
Great Demonstration of a multirotor PID assessment and tuning!
Excellent video, this will be going into my favorites to refer back to when I do any PID tuning.
Thanks Kaptein.
Thank you for the KK2 board! I can fly my first quad with ease! V1.5 auto level works flawlessly and has saved my quad twice! Beware the chicken!
Thanks, great demonstration!
And he DID warn you all about the chicken, it's your fault for not reading descriptions. :)
Oh wow finally found your channel Rolf KapteinKUK!!! Just want to say a huge thank you for your contributions to the flight controller world. l am still somewhat of a newbie but learning as quick as l can and after using the KK2.0 with the 1.2 version and now 1.5 firmware l am hooked, its just a beautiful system and very user friendly. l thought my Eagle X6 was good but this BLOWS it out of the water.
Thank you KapteinKUK.....
Geoff
WTF WHY THE GODDAM CHICKEN!
exactly
Worth watching til the end ;-)
Very informative. And funny at the end. Thanks.
Good idea to bring in an expert at the end, now it all makes sense!
Thank you, exactly what I wanted to know about P & I !
that chicken nearly just gave me a freakin heart attack!!!!!! well done takes a lot to spook me
Excellent demo ! appreciated !
Thanks man. Good visual reference
He tried to warn us about the chicken...
Good vid!
I was watching it for the chicken. What was all that crap in the 7:30 before it? XD
that mount you made is really useful.
OK, it's easy like that (In theory lol)
So you just need to find the best combination between P and I on Pitch, Roll, Yaw and relative to your style of flying :D
Thanks for this super duper cool video ;)
Thumbs up for your good job
Nice scary chicken lol
Thanks for your work here! The idea with the rubberbands is good! I found the settings while flying , but it wasnt easy... The end was funny :-)
Best simulation on youtube. Thanks.
Excellent Work, thank you!
Best vid for kk2 controller. Thanks.
Good vid, loved the chicken.
Great job! you make it look ease.
J.C. YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+probante same
Pmsl. Wtf. Damn chicken. Good vid man.
Awesome, easy and simple, how it should be.
Thankyou very much....
Great work! thanks for sharing.
7:28, thanks for the nice scare.I think I will have chicken for dinner.
you are genius. thanks a lot for this video
RIP headphones.. (damn chicken)..
Thanks for the video Rolf
Could you tell me if you can keep the quad steady at an angle when P&I are correct? For example if you give some stick so that the quad tilts about 10 degrees, does it stay there over time? Or does it drift? Likewise if you keep it level, does it tilt over time?
Thanks
thanks for the tuning help!
Ain't nuth'n but a chicken wing baby! Startled me a little lol... nice video thanks!
I have my quad tuned pretty fine rigth now, but my chicken is oscillating a little...
Thanks a lot for the vid!
it was awesome video. Thank you so so much
Great video for us newbies struggling with what to look for and how to correct it....so I built a quad for my grandson that I get a pretty bad propwash like wobble when I am decending strait down.....I've been thinking I need to RAISE the I Gain, but from your video I'm wondering if it is not a to high "I Gain" that I am seeing because it is more of a low freq wobble that makes the quad feel very unstable!
Thanks for the demo
Thanks Rolf. I'd given up on my KK 2.1 board. I'll give it another try with this reference to help.
Chicken was friggin weird. Hope everybody is ok.
great video！
Thanks for the video Obi-Wan (I'm surprised you have the time) and for the KK2 board which has given me hours of entertainmnet. Crashes and all.
Thks for good vdo . But I have 1 question for sure. I use cc3d board In vdo "I gain" it mean Pid /roll / yaw ? In cc3d . Thank you
Thank you for the vid, very insightful. One question what frame is that.
thanks this video helps a lot
Thank you for your effort.
Bloody hell, I frightened myself with that freaking chicken! :)
Peace be upon you
wonderfull
Thank you so much
love the video. really loved the chicken. can this method be used to tune all axis? Newby to the hobbie. having problem setting my gains.
this is great. i need to build a testing stand. but whats with the "D" ? Can D also be tested using the string method ?
Beware of the ch.. HOMG NO! Good video, looks like my quad and I are looking for some bondage time. ;)
my mom had to tolerate the noise of motors when the quad flew in the videos , but when the *chicken* came at the end..... i was like o.O on seeing it ,n my mom came into the room with thaat frightened look on her face asking "is THIS the part of ur project too, honey" .... n after that i cudnt stop laughing! anyways it ws really valuable info, thanks, now i know why our quad's motors were oscillating so much...
Very nice and very educative video !
And what about P limit and I limit ? How to setup them please ?
Awesome video. Very helpful. Any chance you could talk about the D tunning?
***** aaw damn, I wanted the D..
Nice video Rolf, just a general question about pid. If a quadcopter has a large battery crossing the frame from back to front, and is located 5cm under the chasis , so the movement in the roll axis takes more effort, what shoul I do? Increase my P in the roll axis? Decrease it ? Raise the I?
Btw I ask this because my batteries have died so I cannot test anything right now.
I am a beginner and not able to fly in acro mode, but I was able to hover my quad in acro mode with default settings in Cleanflight. In angle mode it has shaked violently which forces me to an emergency landing. I had to setup angle/horizon level to 3,0 to make it stable. Default was 9,0. There is still a little bit of wobbling. Should I use Pid tuning in Angle mode or does PID only affect the acro mode?
during the single axis tunning the gyro is active or not?
And then what about D gain? During the test D has a exact value or zero?
Nice tuitorial
Many thanks for the video.
Hahahahahaha!!! Thumbs up for the chicken!!
Noticed your brilliant idea on X quad , but can I tie two arms of 230 or 250 size H quad and do the similar pid tuning ? H-quad does not seem balance if tie this way . I have FrSky Taranis and Naze32 acro with cleanflight. Do you have similar setup ?
hi Rolf, I am trying to let a tricopter with KK2 work. after level calibration the trico flies quite fine but after some time it gets unstable. after disarming, if I check the roll and pitch angles they have changed and they are completely different from the refererence (0 deg for both on leveled surface). I have to calibrate again the accelerometers on a leveled surface and the trico starts to fly well for few seconds. do you know which problem is this one? thanks a lot. Andrea
aside from your dumb chicken at the end, this is a very helpful and informative video.
excellent demo
but scared the hell out of me in the end
WTF FUCK THAT CHICKEN, did not see the warning, cat knocked over bunch of stuff, I nearly crapped myself.
Congrats!! Good video, thank you! I have one question, I am flying a drone and the flight is stable BUT when I turn up the throttle, I have vibrations and the motors sound with vibration. Is this from high value of P?
Thank you.
John Grosso yes high p and if your props arent balanced it makes it worse..also min throttle or endpoint i think
Thank you for this super chicken, äh video, it helps me much with mi tricopterprojekt :-)
Looking at this video again after a year away from it. My copter is doing some weird stuff and that dang chicken got me again!!!
When the quadcopter tries not to move when he applies force is more of a sign of a high D gain, epically when it doesn't move back to to the level position when he has let the sticks center. If the P or I gain was high then it would shoot back to the level position when he let go of the sticks.
rip headphone users :D
good vid
veeeeeeeery veeeeeeeery good tutorial, you save my cuadrotor to go straight to the trush XDDD
Good demonstration. The chicken at the end made me have a shit attack though! :-)
Har du noen gang laga vanlig heli eller multicopter med auto stabiliserer?
good vid
Thank you!!!
I like the chicken :-)
nice! thanks
Thanks!
KK2.16: Self Level mode ON. Difficult to stay in one height as the copter goes up and down. I guess, Pgain too high. Do I have to change Pgain in the self level fille or in the P-Editor? I can´t reallly make it out.
What do you do with the 'D' value the whole time.....Do you set the 'D' the way you want it first and then set the 'P' and 'I' ???
This chicken is scary indeed
any chance you can post a video with that chicken strapped to the multicopter and flying around scaring people?
I'm just starting to explore acro flying and have a question. I dont understand why the craft will not return to center (level) in your video when the right stick is released in your "good P gain, good I gain" example. Is that really how everyone flies? If it doesn't react to the stick being in the center position, how do you level it out? I usually run in horizon or angle and been trying to tune my pids for acro mode and I'm confused by that part in your video.
+Joe Spamola It is in manual mode meaning there is no autolevel when you release and return to center. You have to manually move the stick in the opposite direction to level it out. This is how 99% of all the pros fly.
I have a KK2 V1.2 and i'm wondering if you could help me out, where do i make changes to make the motors act right. when i hit right rudder it goes down, if i hit left rudder it flips right, left aileron goes right and right aileron goes left, elevator its fine. Thank you in advance
Hvor sånn ca. ender dette opp? Kom til 50 på P og 55 på I jeg, det får jeg ikke til å stemme med hva andre ender opp med. Og hva med PI/Yaw pot hvordan stiller den, eller har jeg ikke skjønt noenting når jeg ikke har rørt den enda? Har du noe mer detaljert video på gang for oss som egentlig ikke skjønner en dri.. av dette ;) hahaha
So the value which you add on one side, so the same value you tak off on another side?
Pls demonstrate for D-gain as well.
you have a nice picture of you at the end.. :)
Great video! But what about D value?
I assume that you fly your quad in X mode, but when you do the string setup, are you then switching it to + mode? Or do you stay in X mode?
To do this in X mode you need to tie a string between the motors and center it accurately. Not as easy to do as in + mode and even in + mode string needs to be in line centered with motor shaft as shown.
Good job. Nice video but, not chicken.
What about D? For some reason if I keep "I" value at 0, and only configure P and D values everything is alright, "I" for me is useless.
farkin chicken
Why after releasing of stick it stay in the position?
I thought that it should automatically flatten to "zero" position (like helicopter)
The chicken made this video make sense. :)