Let's Upgrade an Original Xbox! - TSOP Flash & Clock Capacitor Removal - Part 1
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- I decided to take a crack at this original Xbox console I had sitting here and get it up to speed! What we have here is 1.2 revision of the Xbox that has already been softmodded prior to me turning on the camera. Softmods are great and convenient but... With just a bit more effort we can do so much more! What I did in this video was take the console apart, clean it up, enable write access to the TSOP/BIOS, remove the leaky clock capacitor, and flash a custom BIOS to the motherboard.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Well... Later. My plans for this console aren't finalized yet because of a snag with the upgraded parts I ordered, but fear not - there will be a part 2! I split this up as there was a bit of a wait between the recording sessions, and this might be a good way to chronicle the upgrade journey.
Check out Slot1Gamer's AWESOME TSOP flashing tutorial here:
• How To TSOP Xbox Easie...
A thank you goes out to Jacob Power for his advice on what to get for the future SATA hard drive upgrade:
• OG XBOX MODS: Sata HDD...
Part 2 is here!
• Let's Upgrade an Origi...
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MrMario, you probably know this by now. So i will mention this for the viewers.
The 1.6 has the clock cap as well. It is located by the IDE port. They moved it and replaced it with one that doesnt fail as much as the old ones. "DO NOT REMOVE THOSE CAPS" You will kill your 1.6 box.
Great videos man keep it up.
For sure! I have a tutorial showing how to remove the clock cap and mention that it isn't necessary for 1.6 consoles.
4 years later but I just wanted to let you know why the flux made it harder to bridge those points, it’s because flux helps join solder to the copper pads and it basically sucks it away from the board to the individual copper pad.
Much appreciated 😁
Already excited for part 2. I don't even own or plan to get an Xbox but I find this really entertaining
Hey man! Just wanted to say thanks for making this video. I'm planning to do this mod myself and really appreciated the heads up on the IDE cable. Who knew all IDE cables weren't equal! Anyway thanks again for saving me some time and a few bucks.
You're welcome! I knew they were different but thought it was a recommendation to upgrade the cable, not a requirement. The original is fine for IDE drives, SATA needs that extra power from an 80 wire cable.
I love your channel MrMario I’ve been non stop watching all your videos. Take Care Man Thanks For Your Amazing Content.
Have a great holiday!
Please make sure you put electrical tape or something to keep the solder points from touching your hdd and shorting out the ide to sata adapter or it will fry your hdd and converter and please please do that cuz its free insurance against frying your stuff cuz some of the adapters have insulation where it goes into the hdd. Thanks and really enjoying your vids!! :)
I just did a TSOP flash for a co-worker. I couldn't find my iron. I used a conductive pen instead. I bridged the points on a 1.0, let dry for 10 minutes. Booted up and raincoat allowed me to dump and flash the bios.
Nice! Good solder-free way of doing it.
Good job getting one with a Sammy drive, as they're the best drive with this console. The scene for the OG Xbox was THE best scene of all consoles. Homebrew and hardware mods released for it was insane. I still have my 1.0 somewhere in storage, with the capacitor removed of course.
I need to get back my original 1.0 and remove the clock capacitor! I would agree with it being one of the best, I didn't get to really get my hands dirty with hardware mods until 2016 and I love the freedom of information the scene has. Lots of good sources for Xbox info, and people all on board for sharing. Also still seeing active interest and development on 16 year old hardware is awesome.
Me too. My Samsung drive doesn't read anything and I'm also stuck with a Thompson which is still working
My first Xbox had the Thomson. It went out not too long after the warranty went out. :-/ Next one had the Samsung drive.
Who cares about the disc drive, just copy games to an upgraded hard disk
A bit of a quick tip for anyone trying to do this for the first time. There is also another method of bridging the two points together without the use of solder. You can actually use some conductive paint to bridge the two solder points together and I found it to be way easier. It's also safer to do as it won't damage your Xbox if you mess up and end up breaking the solder pads on the motherboard. You can easily just wipe it off with some isopropyl alcohol and just reapply it. This second method is perfect for people who are not good at soldering such as me. I was able to flash the EvoX bios to an Xbox with this method and it was awesome. Great video man!
Hey PacMaster, after reading your comment, this is the route I think I'm going to try first. Could you possibly link me to what you used, or something similar? Regardless, thanks for the info! It's been years since I had to solder anything and didn't feel super confident in doing so.
@@Nesmaster75 hey, did you manage to do this method? If so I am eager to see the method or have some sort of guidance. Thanks
If your HDD dies in an unmodded xbox, you can recover. Read the EEPROM by connectng a Raspberry PI to the I2C pins of the LPC header (any version of motherboard) copy the eeprom.bin to your PC, use XboxHdM32-USB to make an lock the new drive (This will take hours). Install the new drive and you are good to go :).
Yep! Although I prefer a custom BIOS, at that point just drop in a new storage device and nuke.
Just fyi ide cables don't carry power just data the 40 vs 80 is just doubling wire to eliminate crosstalk between the wires so in 40 wire 1 wire per pin in 80 2 wires per pin in the xbox sata hdd's send data too fast even with a ide to sata converter so to fix that you upgrade to a 80 wire cable for fast communication between the hdd and the motherboard and with that speed come crosstalk which again is why we double to wires
Thanks for the insight!
Needing an 80 pin makes no sense as the Xbox should be limited to the slower UDMA 66 transfer rates anyway. The 80 pin was for UDMA 130 as I recall.
Merry Christmas and happy new year;)
Kevin Twiner it’s sad that no one besides me liked this comment. If it was a smart add comment it have 1000 likes. 😑
quick tip when soldering capacitors like that, just try and hit both points with the tip. or go back and forth quickly between them. much easier than trying to do one at a time and wiggle little by little.
Really love those videos man! I'm really consider buying and modding original Xbox. I want to ask you one thing. I've heard of 128 mb RAM and CPU upgrades mods. Will you consider on doing those?
Figure it out !!! Wait, wrong channel. Sorry
Hello, this is Adam Koralik from Figure It Out Productions, the following video is a video of some kind and I hope you enjoy it.
Same but I softmodded my Xbox when I was young and I'm just gonna do my first RGH ever this coming week when the coolrunner rev c and j runner programmer comes in. Gonna attempt RGH 1.2 on a Falcon.
Oh and btw use a solder sucker for desoldering its much easier!
Cortex is GEOMETRY DASH
That and get a chunkier tip on that soldering iron. Or better yet get a good soldering iron. The TS-100 is a good bet
That said I did do all the mods on my old Xbox years ago with a 15 watt antec soldering iron including upgrading the RAM to 128MB. Desoldered the chips from a donor board with a flame pencil
That what I used, before mine broke and was forced to order another one. I also heard that apparently that solder wick is better, but I can use that for crap because of how it never removes it, and feels way more troublesome than a solder sucker.
Thanks for the information
I screwed my attempt to bridge it. So I ended up bending the end of a wire 90 degrees and using that to bridge it. Was infinitely much easier to do it this way for me. Managed to successfully TSOP flash my 1.0.
I had to do that once, used an alternate point and a small piece of wire.
@@MrMario2011 I thought I screwed it up because I had trouble getting the solder to stick. Got it working at least. Now comes the fun part of getting everything up and running. Been a while and have forgotten how to add games to the new hard drive. That and emulators aren't being listed on the menu.
What temp should we have our iron at? I want to remove the clock cap, and want to make sure I do it correctly.
I have just TSOP'd my XBOX 1.0 this evening, as it was already softmodded, it made the process much easier. To be fair, I did it with this machine as I wanted a nice stock machine which had the original dashboard, but the reassurance of being able to swap drives etc out if one died, so there is no restrictions, but keeping the Microsoft Dash on the hard drive. :D
@@DylanClements98 It was a Evo BIOS selected from the Slayers Boot CD, but I do not remember which one it was. I know it was a older version of it. :)
Nice vid but I had to laugh when you said the SATA drive wasn't working because it didn't have enough power from the 40 wire ide cable. :) Fun to watch.
Mr. Mario, great video. So you have to do the TSOP Mod in order to switch to a SATA hard drive? For desoldering. I like using desoldering braid, worked well.
Nope, you can upgrade to SATA on a softmodded console as well, but you need to go through the process of using Chimp and then locking the drive.
Great video! What did you use to clean the board after you remove the capacitor?
99% isopropyl alcohol with q tips
I didn`t read thru all the comments so this may have been mentioned. I came across the issue with it not moving over to advance in Gentoox as well. Ended up being because I was using a third party controller. Only Microsoft OEM controllers work to move in Gentoox.
Correct!
I've been able to replace the Xbox clock capacitor with some Panasonic super capacitors for camera flashes. They've been able to keep the clock time for at least a month (probably much longer) without issue.
Good to know! I don't replace it as a modified dashboard will set the clock to sometime in 2007, I've also noticed if I have the console hooked up to my network it will just grab the date that way as well. Sometimes I might have to edit the year or adjust the time a bit, but it normally gets the date mostly correct :p
Can you modify a battery such as a cr2032 to supply power for the time?
Electrolytic fluid is what caps actually contain and yes, it’s got a low Ph.
I've used a 1/16" (about 2mm) segment of a tiny wire strand to bridge the points, trying to glob solder across has always been challenging
Using a small bit of wire is a good move!
Fun fact the original Xbox is a custom Pentium PC develop by the DirectX team in Microsoft and later called it the Xbox
Yep! Read about that 😁
Captain Scorch217 It is actually a modified p3 based Celeron with some cache. For desoldering you can buy a cheap spring loaded device.
The good ole Celemine!
Captain Scorch217 did you know the original Xbox was going to be called the directxbox but it didn't sound as catchy
tmg-3 life yep I'm aware of that and didn't mention it because it's not catchy
thinking back microsoft could have put a CMOS battery port in the rear of the console, and had the user put the battery into the system when they got it.
Hi! Great video. I'm just thinking about getting an original Xbox to mod, and I'd like to have your opinion on a few things since your advice has helped me in the past.
Which revision of the Xbox should I try to look for?
Can I replace the clock capacitor with a new one from a good brand like Nichikon to retain original functionality? Or is it possible to replace the capacitor with a non-electrolytic type of capacitor?
And lastly, which mod chip do you think I should get for hardmodding the console? I saw your video on the X3 being very expensive, so what would be a better option?
Thanks a bunch.
1.0-1.5 revision.
You can replace the clock capacitor, but no real need to.
If you go with a 1.0-1.5 revision, you can enable write access to the TSOP flash and flash a custom BIOS directly to the console. No need for a chip at that point.
@@MrMario2011 Awesome, thank you for the quick reply! I found a local seller selling a v1.0 revision with a Samsung drive swapped in already for only 25€, but someone contacted them before me. I'll see if I can get my hands on it. Already ordered the stuff I need to upgrade the hard drive too
I ended up getting a filthy V1.4/V1.5 with a Thompson drive, Winbond flash and an exploded clock capacitor.
Why do I always have such bad luck with disc drives?
Thank you for your videos
Do you have to soft mod first or you can do TSOP even if you didn't do soft?
Hi Mario, does this video show me how to take a stock xbox and install a mod chip and install the firmware to run the stored games from the dash.?
I was looking to use aladin and cerbios...though I'm confused as to whats what...is cerbios the software that let's you run the games from the harddrive
If I have an xbox 1.0, should I put 256 or 512 bios?
Hi MrMario. I've heard the words 'locking' and 'unlocking' thrown around a lot when it comes to replacing an original xbox hard drive. What exactly is a locked hard drive? Is the factory installed HD paired with the the original xbox or motherboard in some way? Is it something unique Microsoft only did with the original xbox HDs?
Pretty much what you said, the drive and motherboard have a unique matching key that `unlocks` the drive at boot if the keys match. If the keys dont match it throws a `your xbox needs servicing` message up and wont do anything else. The modchip in mine just bypasses the check so you can use any drive you like.
i dont know if youll read this
but does the bootloop always mean that the cap is busted ?
when i was little i sticked a paperclip in the controller port and since then my box only booted every 1000th time
Lets see if we can do this properly lol. If you dont have desolder tools just heat both legs at same time and gravity will make the work for you (maybe you will need to use your hard to remove the cap if the legs are bent or something) doing one leg at the time like this just increase the risk of dmg to the solder pads
So... regarding that bloody IDE cable...
I did not know a 40 pin cable might not be efficient for some hard drives. I guess I KINDA lucked out by accidentally breaking the old cable. One of the plastic clips snapped right off when I tried to unplug the cable from the PATA/SATA adaptor. So brittle.
Anywho, currently I'm using a thin 80 pin cable which I had to twist around to make it fit. Any idea if there are any people that sell custom 80-pin IDE cables which are exactly like the original Xbox ones?
Hello, help I have a classic xbox which of the video image with some horizontal lines that jump randomly are like a kind of interference, and probe with other video and audio cables but this interference is not removed, which smd component of the board do you suggest me review?
IDE cables 80 pin from old pc are excellent to keep tight. Not aftermarket!
I've done several, but ran into a snag with a v1.0 with non-winbond chip (Hynix). Ran bios checker and points were soldered correctly. When trying to write the EvoX bios, it sticks on Erasing. No status bar just sits there for a while. Any ideas?
Hi MrMario, i want to perform TSOP flash in one of my xbox but unfortunatelly i dont have compatible usb drive, i was also trying hotswap technique but my PC didnt detect xbox HDD, but i have another xbox with aladdin chip. Can I install aladdin in the xbox i want to mod, just for the moment, to start TSOP app from dvd, perform TSOP and than remove aladdin and just work with TSOPed system? what do you think?
so is that the white foam i see around the black part? How do i get this stuff off if its dried
You have a Samsung 605B drive in that console. I know you got your start flashing 360 FW. Not many people knew this but C4E actually wrote CFW for the original Xbox as well. If you decide to do that to this one(although not very necessary anymore), the guides can be hard to find now that XS has disappeared. However, I still have one if you are interested in it.
if you can run burned disks can you inject the softmod save files into a disk, then run them that way?.
Use desolder braid, or a hot air rework station for the clock capacitor :)
Many great options!
Easiest way to check if you have a v1.1 or v1.2 : ATX style power supply connector on v1.2 ;)
Forgive me for asking this on such an old video, but after soldering and soft-modding the xbox, do you remove the solders for the tsop ?
You can, but I see no reason to unless you're that concerned with accidentally reflashing your BIOS.
@@MrMario2011 Forgive the delayed response. I just wanted to be sure as for most instructions vids, generally see others going back and removing the solders to "avoid damaging the device". I thank you many sir *bows*
question,
when you tsop flash ,does that bypass the need to do the homeade tool device thing,
to read and save the custom hd id key mated to the motherboard,
basically, does that allow you to do everything without manually having to lock and unlock drives
using the custom key everytime you change out a part ?
o yea , my dvd drive went,
if you tsop , would a regular pc drive do anything
All you need to do is softmod your Xbox prior to flashing BIOS, no need to lock or unlock hard drives after that. You have to have a working DVD drive if you follow what I did here.
Hi Mr. Mario. Great video. For someone already softmodded, can you sum up some of the benefits of TSOP?
If I understand correctly, ISO reading from HDD is one advantage (no dealing with long file names). What else?
Does anyone have suggestions for 80-wire cables that are better "Xbox" configured than the standard computer ones? It seems you have to fold the cables various times due to the spacing between connectors,
On an Xbox, does it matter which end goes to the motherboard?
Thanks!
In short you get the benefits of a modchip without actually obtaining and installing a chip itself. You cannot read ISO files on an Xbox. I linked in the description the 80-wire IDE cable I used that works in part 2, folding it is inevitable.
At 14:16 it should be noted when you said you lifted one of the MB pads and had to put that wire there. Since you lifted that pad on the MB if you tried to turn the Xbox on it would have FRAGED (Flashing Red and Green Light) as one of my first attempts at soldering the two points on an Xbox I ended up ripping one of the pads off the MB and when I tried to turn on the system it FRAGed. But once I wired the alternative points it was saved. Just figured I should point that out.
got a used xbox from eBay a couple months back. got for cheap because they said disc drive won't open, but it just intermittently gets stuck, replaced band on disc drive and open/closes fine. so considering its this old and hasn't died should I worry about replacing the clock capacitor? I don't have a soldering iron nor do I wanna mess with one (I'm visually impaired), and I don't wanna risk pulling it out and messing anything up.
ALWAYS. It isn't a matter of if it will leak, it's a matter of when. If left leaked out long enough, it WILL cause damage to your console.
Hey how are you ? Question next time you try a tsop can you try to use a rear window defogger kit to draw a line across the tsop points instead of solder and let me know how it goes its conductive and it shouldn't wipe officer it dries i thought of this after I did my solder points its a pain when you lift the pads off the board lol😆.
hi what is a good site for finding modding and repair guides for OG xbox, dreamcast, wii, 360, ?
I had to use Composite Video with my v1.2 winbond TSOP mod. When using component it would not show up and reboot.
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Do you have a link to the bios checker? Thanks!
If i have the hdd on error 16, can i join these soldering points to run from dvd?
i recently messed with my dashboard, now i get error code 14. Should i do TSOP to fix it ?
I chose the Evox bios for my TSOP because it allowed me to put a dope McDonalds i'm lovin it graphic in the top left while the system boots. I have another Xbox that is softmodded because the darn thing is a 1.6 so TSOP is not possible.
Cool stuff :D Wish I could do this to mine :X I have a 1.6
You still can, just gotta chip it!
True :P Hey, did you get my message?
Probably cheaper to just get a different Xbox though, unless you can find a modchip for around 15 bucks.
Hello, I have an inquiry. I need a way to install custom bios on Aladdin Virgin, my 1.6 device in order to be able to play the Xbox without a DVD drive
i know this is old but i bought the Hard drive,ribbon and ide to sata adapter but mr mario says set the drive to master. what pins set it to master?
Look for the jumper on the drive boards.
Who else watching in December 2018
Hey Mario its a Great video but i had question some people said i need to remove the bridged point from soldering after done the tsop to avoid damaging the system is this true?
I'm new to xbox modding
Nope. All removing the bridged point does is disable write access.
@@MrMario2011 so its safe it keep the tow pointe bridged after TSOP and no need to remove it
Please, I need more specific information as to where to solder the wire.
It wasn't a bug it was a feature
did anyone make that joke yet?
*Cool Video😎
I’ve been following you guide to mod my Xbox. I can’t find the bios check. Is it possible for you to link an iso?
Maybe use some lead next time you intend to change a cap... makes it easier to get old spots fluid again! 😉
'We got it! We got it! We got it!'
You don't do that soooo often, do you (no pun intended)? 😄
I took apart an Xbox that had never been apart before and it also had a hard drive screw that was completely loose from the mount.
yes you do see it sometimes, iv'e seen a few its always the same screw too.
must be the vibration from the HDD.
Mrmario i really need help i have done tsop with hexen 2021 and then the xbox won't boot the dash but when i put hexen disc it work anyways i installed unlashx from hexen disc and now i can't boot both of dash and hexen😢
HDD in my xbox died. Can I buy a softmoded one with different key, TSOP my xbox and use it with this HDD?
After trying to do this and the clock capacitor my Xbox won't turn on the fan tries to start but no lights or anything plz help
26:10 OH sweet :D You CAN use a SATA to IDE board.. I've been looking for a large IDE HDD for the longest time because I've thought i had to use a IDE drive :S
Well SHIT... Never mind my bollocks! This mod doesn't really work 100% :P Looking forward to your next installment because i want a larger drive in my hardmoded xbox
Stay tuned, I can tell you it is all working as I've been playing on it 😁
Sweet @MrMario2011 My body is Regi
Hah.. nerdy Nintendo/Pokemon memes :3 I'm sure you approve
Can u do a ram upgrade video
Solder wick bro. Solder wick.
does the console need to be softmodded first before this mod can be done? i ask cause from the sound of it, this acts like a modchip without a modchip, allowing the ability to run the DVD's
That's exactly what it is, and yes you have to softmod before flashing BIOS
Hey +MrMario2011
I had a question for you, I am going to attempt to do this mod very soon. Do you have a link to the website that you're using for the modification? I have an Original Xbox that is similar to yours ( its an ST TSOP ), but I can tell where the RD710 pad is...
Check out the description, I credited Slot1Gamer for his super well done TSOP tutorial, which is what I used.
Ah, Perfect. Thank you. I believe that I have a 1.1 since one of the south super caps wasn't included from the factory and the GPU heatsink is the later version. R7D3 seems to be the one to bridge!
I was changing the thermal grease on my og xbox and noticed the mobo was signed, I didn't find any info on why but just as I went to rewatch this video I noticed yours is signed too, any idea on why?
Internal notes of some kind, possibly when testing the hardware quickly before packaging it all up.
hello mr mario, will all sort of 3,5 hdd work on the xbox or are their any requirements?
All sorts.
My xbox origenal is loading problem Can u gave the idea how it solve
Great video! Love the Tool mousepad!
Same!
NEVER EVER Pry on the cables themselves to disconnect them,get pliers and disconnect them by holding the edges of the plastic and pulling up. You can rip those cables by disconnecting them like that.
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Or needs to goto the bathroom break outside
Your dog is sooooo cute
That's her job
hey mario - i have the same happend to me - it lifted the pad by attempting the TSOP solder. Can you tell me the alternative solder point? like you did in the video @13:14 sek
I looked up Xbox TSOP alternative points. Plenty of visual guides for that
I got hold of Xbox Crystal 2 days ago. Does it work on it ? I don't know what version my has I haven't open it and haven't mod it yet
Only if it's an applicable version.
got a 2001 model xbox, clock capacitor was still there, in pristine condition, except one leg was broke off and it was practically laying on its side. im assuming since the connection was broke off, the capacitor was never working in the first place, thus it never leaked. lucky me i guess. its gone now
LOL, super lucky and funny find.
can you do this to an xbox 360e 500gb hd and upgrade hd to 1tb
Can I get a link to the tsop guide please
Did you lift the R7D1 pad then connects to via?
I don't recall which exact one.
Hexen was a great game
i can't get this to work on my xbox all it tell me is it not a xbox game or dvd movie or a music cd
If I have a stock xbox that is not soft modded and was never opened, should I remove the clock capicitor to prevent damage? Will it affect normal play?
Always remove if the console isn't a 1.6, it won't affect normal use aside from having to set the clock on boot.
MrMario2011 OK, thanks, I was going back and forth. I have to reset the clock every time I boot as it is, so I'm guessing it has leaked already. Thanks again
Is there a certain way to play backups? Used XISO to convert everything to iso format. I used img burn to burn the isos to a dvd (tried both dvd-r and DVD+r) and when the Xbox goes to load up the disc it say disc may be dirty or damaged. Not sure what i did wrong. Im softmoded so it should be good to go.
Transfer to the hard drive, it's recommended to not play burned discs.
@@MrMario2011 Alright man. I still have the Original hard drive in there at the moment. Do you have a video or can you recommend a video on how to clone the original hard drive to a new hard drive? Ive never done any soldering before and its a bit scary to me lol
Thanks man!
My dad was deployed to somewhere in the Middle East, and while he was there he bought an xbox that has a huge amount of Super Nintendo games hacked onto it, that’s how I got here
Awesome import!
Hello! Ii have a original Xbox and ii want to softmode it to! Where ii can find the program you insert inside the console? Hexen
Many tutorials up on my channel if you search.
80wire is not for power.. the difference between an 40wire and 80wire is that the 40wire has 1 wire per pin, the 80 wire has 2 wires per pin with the new wire going to ground. This provides shielding, as the higher speeds (frequencies) of the sata drives will cause cross talk on a 40wire cable.
Thanks for clarifying!
Would you recommend doing the softmod, then TSOP/Bios flash, then replace HDD. Or softmod, HDD swap, then TSOP/Bios flash?
The former. You have to softmod in order to TSOP flash, and once you TSOP flash you can use any hard drive so you don't need to worry about locking it.
@@MrMario2011Awesome, locking issues is exactly why I was wondering about the order. Thanks!
@@MrMario2011 Thanks for the walk through and suggestion to TSOP first. Bios is flashed, new hdd is in and games are being ripped to it. Though I couldn't get it to do the G drive. originally was going to do 137gb on F and rest on G, put media on f and games on G, but it would not recognize the g partition, so just had to do the whole 1tb on F. Oh well, not a big deal.
Removing my clock cap, as soon as my pliers touched it (didnt even squeeze it yet to wiggle) and it started spewing acid. So had to baking soda the heck out of the board and all. Oh well.
Repasting the cpu/gpu and swapping the fan is a must do for all xbox owners, not just those that plan to softmod or TSOP it.
7:50, use desoldering braid, or a solder sucker