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All of you that are saying oh do this, oh do that... Its about knowing how to handle the blade safely to be able to craft the frame of the saw. Its also about being able to carry less stuff with you. As Mors Kohanski has said "the more you know the less you carry." I'm sure half of you were already typing your ideas before the video even ended, which means you didnt listen to much of what is being said. Just saying. Good info Dan!!
Use key rings at the end. Put a sturdy stick through each of the rings for "T" handles. You also don't need a 20+ inch blade all the time. They make shorter ones that won't flex as much.
If you made a video of that it would be 100x more valuable than this vid..
I tend to put a sturdy toggle through one of the holes to allow me to pull the blade through the kerf. A finger or two on each side of the toggle gives enough purchase to effectively PULL the saw quite a distance with little to no chance of slipping. The other hand simply guides and regulates the pressure from the back side of the blade. Reset and PULL again. The key here is to firmly secure your work and ZERO slippage of flesh against blade. In this age of cheap stamped blades, even the back side can cut in the right circumstances.
Great video, I often take a blade in my belt always testing my ability. I often take a piece of scrap wood from the ground and cut a v-notch longways in it place the blade teeth toward the wood and cut a frame. Great teaching moment on your part thanks.
I carry 12 in sawsall pruning blades, they are rigid and strong. And the plastic hand use adapter is small, light, and 10 dollars. And the metal blades are, of course, good for locks, hinges, bone, ect, and better for fine work like triggers on snares
Great idea!
I also carry a sawsall blade, use 4 or 5 inch vise grips as a handle. Place the vise grips at 45 degrees or so down, then you can push down on the blade. If you need to field dress something large to pack out, use a metal cutting blade.
That one extra piece of equipment you carry is invaluable to doing many tasks properly and safely.
The guy who made this video is making life hard for himself.
Throw a little butter and the tuna in that rice and we're good to go. I really like the minute rice idea. I'm stoked to get back out on the river this weekend with this in my pack.
You didn't say "stay in the woods" and now here I am at home wtf?
Oh crap! Dan did something different! He's becoming one of those people that mix things up. 😳😱🤯😬
Grinding a few teeth off one end of the blade can give a safer hold too, and really doesn't detract from the cutting ability, particularly if you remove the teeth from what will become the handle side. However, a small saw like what you get on a multi-tool, Swiss Army knife, etc. is enough to make all the cuts necessary to make the saw frame, so you have a safe alternative method. It used to be fairly common when transporting tools to trapping shacks, remote work sites, seasonal cabins, etc. to remove the wood handles from chisels, slicks, saws, adz, etc to make them lighter, and more packable, then make new handles on site. Obviously not for short outings but long term projects or when moving from one camp to another. It wasn't a big deal to take your knife and whittle a simple, basic handle which completed a tool.
You're grinding tip is probably the best piece of advice on this site.
The method advised in the video would probably lead to significant hand trauma.
Your method got me thinking, if time was an issue, bashing the teeth back 180 degrees, with a rock or heavy piece of wood, then holding the blade with your hat, or similar if necessary.
My grandfather used to carry a 21 or 24 inch blade in his cookpot. He didn't handle them without gloves, and what he'd do is coil it up outside of the pot. He'd then wrap jute between the teeth for a couple inched to hold it, tie it off, then repeat, just in case one piece of jute got cut up. And if he had to use it without a handle, ALL that jute got wraped around where he's be gripping with the glove. But he also cut a notch in the wood shaft of his e-tool and a notch to hold a bolt so he almost always hand a handle.
Me, I'm a whimp. I folded a couple of PVC "clips" to hold longer blades coiled in a pot, but I cut a hard wood handle with a slit and a couple holes in it at home. Fits a 24" blade perfectly, along with several bolts and wing nuts and cord. A little reconfiguration gives me about 6 " of exposed blade to cut the first found piece. That lets me make a triangular saw. Then I cut another piece to make a buck saw. I have a whole heap of respect (and a little fear) of buck saw blades and a scar on my leg to back that up. :P
Good stuff, I'm interested in seeing you craft a frame in the field!
He does and its cool
It would make more sense to do it in a small clearing in the woods or forest.
You my friend are a natural teacher.
I watched this video because, I was in a situation where I had to cut frozen meat and nothing but a bow saw blade. Now, consider the following. If your only making one cut and not in a total survival experience you will need to make a handle or bow. If pressed for time then protect both hands, ( saw are very sharp), go slow as he suggests in short strokes to get enough wood to build a fire. Then make a handle for more wood processing. You could also go ape shit while running around the forest to stay warm, collecting whatever will burn...lol..build big fire! 😃
Thanks for the tip Dan. First time I "saw" a blade used without a frame.
I seen what you did there.
Like some other comments stated using key rings or something similar, espically with little sticks for better grip is much safer and easier and should be your first choice. Ideally have the key rings already attached to the saw blades on each end as it wont add much weight or take up much space. Saw another video have the saw blade in a cooking pot alongisde some other bushcraft tools e.g. rope / cordage.
You can also use a couple pieces of all thread rod secured with a nut on each side to make a handle stop or give you something to grip. I've done that, it helps for the draw to keep it from sticking and cutting you. Also works great to pull from each side and let you use more of the blade.
Good advice
Good advice well given. Thanks for the video.
Why don't people watch videos before commenting? I bet if Dan did a video about how to keep from getting wet and cold, 80% of the comments would recommend only going out in the woods on warm, dry days.
thank for the tip Dan as always great info
Very good ideas. Thank you very much
Good info. Thanks for refresher.
Good advice Dan
Thx Dan!
Hey Dan, if your not going to use a frame, why not cut it into 2 or 3 smaller pieces, it'll be easier to pack & less flimsy! :>)>
Because we are assuming we are going to make a frame. Watch tomorrow and Monday for videos on frame making! 🤙🏻
Looking forward to the saw frame video for a bucksaw. Thank you.
What about sliding a peg through one of the mounting holes, then holding the peg to pull the saw blade? Might take more than 1 peg, but the hand and fingers should be clear of the teeth.
The pegs would be too small to grip
@@dirtydan179 I would hope Douglas was talking about pegs generally, which cam be fashioned to any size, not clothes pegs.
I guess; if you want to carry a saw blade without a frame in your kit: grind off the teeth ahead of time where you want your hand? Maybe even drill a hole at the upside of your hand grip position and then you could use a stick or ferro rod to add some extra force/gripping at that point???
Sounds like common sense if you knew you were going to face this situation.
Good
I saw that you got tagged for the Show Us Your Steak challenge to bring more awareness about mental health issues. I look forward to seeing your steak and hope you will tag SurvivalLilly and Canadian Prepper. Keep the videos coming.
Brilliant👍🏼
Bushcraft meets common sense. As it tends to do.
What is your favorite way to carry a bow saw blade?
Can you make a video comparing your Soviet and axe and your gransfors bruks?
Were i can buy the Blade please tell
I would like to thank the creator for this great content . But men and the few lady’s that watch this video please just pack the weight or be creative and find a handle make a frame out of the lightest material you can find it’s not worth risking injury while your playing/ practicing the craft take the weight and be safe
Next option, an old piece of garden hose, split, an tape around end of blade, saves flesh.
Bingo! You saved me from writing the same thing.
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Thanks
Seems burying the teeth in a groove cut in a stick would work too.
Me I like the Harbor Freight Japanese style saw. Usually 10 bucks. Remove one screw and it's collapsible.
i'd make a U shaped wood frame for blade to rest in
Mike Albert this video is not about making saw frames. Did you listen to the content?
yes, quite clearly i listen to AND actually understood every very important detail and i thank you very much for such an informative and wise video, , ,it is quite often that what many would consider common scense that gets over looked and accidents happen. I was simply offering another alternative that may enhance what you already said, did not mean to offend, feel free to delete my comment.
@Becca tough crowd ha ? haha, ,it's all good , at least he is watching the comments , not letting lunatics run the asylum haha,
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Making frames will be interesting
Paul Saul coming in the next few days
Another tool in the tool box
It's important to only use the first four inches...
Thanks for sharing
But, I'm sorry.
Though this is done very well...
The only thing that I agree with,
Is wrapping the blade.
In my opinion, your technique is wrong.
My preferred way is;
Say you're right handed...
(For sake of argument)
* On the end of the blade using for a handle, insert nail, bolt, or whatever you're intending to use for anchoring to Imp' saw frame.
* Glove up your right hand.
* wrap your left glove palm side OUT, around the blade for handle.
* grab a stick the size of your middle finger.
* use stick to balance blade as you use (only) a pulling stroke to cut.
Note: you may want or need to natch stick so as not slip away.
This will increase your productivity cutting & is in my opinion much more safer.
Still enjoy watching your videos.
But, I'll call it as I see it.
I would take my belt knife and cut a section of greenwood to fit a handle and split into it without going all the way through and then tie the wood to the blade.
If all you are going to use is about 4" why not add a handle, like would be on a knife and cut the blade off at about 4" long? That makes the tool safer, lighter weight, more compact, and easier to use. It doesn't take much to add a handle. A little wood, a drill, a couple of pieces of malleable metal for rivets, a hammer to set the rivets, and a knife to shape the handle.
Do this before you smoke a bowl.
Jerry Mooka tried to use a saw blade without a frame once....
Can you coil all buck or bow saw blades? Which brands do you recomend?
You can coil them. Bahco brand blades are king! The dry wood blade is excellent for bushcraft/woodcraft work.
@@blackhatbushcraft Thanks
Think I would just bring the complete tool. Much more efficient.
The above situation would only arise by poor preparation or bad luck.
You can only use the first 4 to 6 inches with the blade only and this would only be good if you are sawing small diameter limbs. If it’s size that is an is an issue it makes more sense to carry a folding hand saw.
@@jakeeasterwood3204 I tried this with a brushed leather glove, which offered good adhesion, and it was still an accident waiting to happen.
As you said, it is only suitable for narrow branches, and even at that I use the word 'suitable' loosely.
@@michaellavery4899 Yes. So if you are going to use a bow saw blade in this manner be sure to take extra bandaids and antiseptic with you… you might need them.
I'll stick with my silky if it's all the same 😉
I feel like this is not a great idea if you have any other option...
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I love your channel and it is full of great advice for all levels of experience. With that being said I think this video to a novice is bad ju ju. Saws are dangerous enough when used appropriately. This is bad advice in my opinion weight taken away from a backpack should be found elsewhere !
Gary Minick so giving no advice on this topic would be better?
I have to say that in a survival situation, knowing and practicing how to use a saw blade is valuable no matter what. I plan to take Dan's basic survival course next.
@@coalcracker maybe
@@coalcracker I just think a Silky saw would just be better for work and safety with minimal amount of weight gain. No offense intended
Since we are speaking if "intentional" use, how about using the damn thing properly? If using four inches of the blade is safest, why not just carry a multitool with a four inch saw blade and leave the incomplete and very potential "accident ready to happen" blade at home? I understand your tutorial; however, my thinking is that some things are best just saying right front, like DO NOT DO THIS STUPID. With all of the arm chair bushcraft, never stepped into the woods, basement dwelling bushcrafters out there, this is will be a painful lesson learned for many.
Robert31352 leaving comments like this strengthens the basement bushcraft expert theory.
Look for information from Mors Kochanski (who I believe originated the blade only carry idea decades ago) for how to do this correctly. This video is not up to the standards of your others.
James Curry how is this not done correctly?
Use it as a Pull Saw. Using it as a Push Saw is a European concept of inefficiency. Japanese saws are superior to western saws. Just wrap one end and using it as a pull saw.
Todd Brill, Silky saws are pull saws and go through green wood like crazy. I routinely cut up to 6 or 8 inch green wood with a 14" blade, you just need the proper blade no matter which direction you're going.
I agree with you on the efficiency of western vs Japanese saws, a good sharp saw cuts well whether it is push or pull. Where Japanese saws have a marked advantage is when you need a really thin kerf.
Stupid Gillette commercial!
Excuse me but all of this was common sense and nothing revolutionary of using a bare blade...
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