CHOOSING THE RIGHT GRASS SEED | BENTS, FESCUES & RYEGRASS | Lawn Association

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024

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  • @lloydhallowellelectrics8760

    Great video. I have always dreamed of putting bent in my lawn but have been put off by other you tubers claiming it's a nightmare to maintain and is prone to weeds and disease. I have a fecuse/rye lawn that I'm constantly over seeding to fill the patches and have finally had enough...I'm armed with a bag of bent seeds and will be scalping my lawn this weekend to get my bent seeds in. But is bentgrass really hard to maintain as many claim? Does it really need regular water g? Feeding? With my existing lawn I always cut the grass on the highest setting (75mm) which is mainly to hide the gaps! But with your bentgrass I've noticed that you seem to cut it quite high? But many say it's best to cut low? Is there an idea height?
    Keep up the good work. Excellent videos!

  • @lloydhallowellelectrics8760

    What bent is best for a lawn? Browntop bent? Creeping? Or highland? Or a mixture of all 3?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před dnem +1

      @@lloydhallowellelectrics8760 all work well but give slightly different results. Common works well on most lawns but creeping will give you an amazing finish. Check out @ben_tillet on Instagram

    • @lloydhallowellelectrics8760
      @lloydhallowellelectrics8760 Před dnem

      Thanks for the information. How about a mixture of common bent and creeping bent? A wise idea? Or just go with the one or the other? I recently purchased the bent of your website but I noticed it doesn't contain any creeping? Unless one of the bents in the mix is a creeping bent? Also I can't find the Ben tillet guy on instagram with the link you sent? Unless it's the Ben Tillet with the horse riding picture?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 18 hodinami +1

      @@lloydhallowellelectrics8760 it depends on the lawn type or finish really. Creeping is for that cylinder finish, golf green type surface and the others can do that but also work at 25 mm etc

  • @rugs108
    @rugs108 Před 2 lety +4

    Very informative video . Thanks for putting it together

  • @bobbutcher7725
    @bobbutcher7725 Před rokem +3

    I've been mildly enthusiastic about keeping a good looking lawn for 40 years and have just learnt, in 30 minutes, more about grass types and characteristics than I have over all those years. Bring on the next 40.....

  • @stephenwilliamson6118
    @stephenwilliamson6118 Před 2 lety +3

    Another very educational and enjoyable video. I have been overseeding a rye lawn for about three years now, there is the odd bare patch but it is certainly looking better. I bought some bent seed a while ago and aim to do a final overseed in September, wish me luck after watching this 😂 I aim to scalp it, scarify it, seed it wash it in then cover it lightly. First class channel ❤️

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety

      Many thanks Stephen. We are moving them in a similar way to how the course goes where the weather will allow 😁

  • @gbyvftcdyrtfgjvybh8841
    @gbyvftcdyrtfgjvybh8841 Před 11 měsíci +12

    10 minutes of information waffled out to 30.

    • @JC-qf1jd
      @JC-qf1jd Před 27 dny

      i couldnt stay for long - off to the next video

  • @yayla86
    @yayla86 Před 2 měsíci

    Such an informative video. Thank you! Nobody else seems to be talking about this so it was a breath of fresh air to find your video and answers so many questions that I had until now not found answers to. We have a rye grass lawn as we were advised to go down this route due to having dogs but have always found it to be exactly as you describe despite best efforts to keep it in tact with our dogs (weedy, patchy and not very nice at all really). Do you know how bent grass tends to do with small dogs? Thanks again for a great video!

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 měsíci

      There are only grasses called 'hard wearing' but as they add no benefit to the 'rhizosphere' and fail so regularly, its the growing medium that has the damage done to it. Wimbledon fails after two weeks play and is grown straight after. Lawns all across the UK fail but there is an acceptance to this failure as being somewhat successful. It costs a lot to maintain ryegrass in so many ways.... Bent fescue is as hard wearing as any grass when healthy and would improve every new build as it will improve the soils dramatically

  • @michaeldonohoe5738
    @michaeldonohoe5738 Před 2 lety +2

    Another top video! 👍 I've got a very alkaline soil (~7.2 pH), which suffers from damp shade in winter. I'd love to get more bent into the sward, but would I really struggle to get it going at such a high pH?

    • @gregone6630
      @gregone6630 Před 2 měsíci

      Then try poa pratensis, which looooves high Ph soil.

  • @perro_8688
    @perro_8688 Před 2 měsíci

    How does bent behave and look when 1/3 mowing rule is broken? I know it handles low mow well obviously (though it must be low already), but when it's quite high like the one on your video. Does it look yellow like rye which has that nasty big yellowish crown? Maybe do a video comparing how different grasses look when suddenly mowed low. Cheers

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 měsíci

      as it grows sideways it can cope far better but all grass will go yellow to some degree. Difference is this will continue to spread and thicken whilst ryes will thin and die. The one third rule is a spoken rule that no-one can and does adhere too. Even when i managed a world championship golf course, never did we ever consider the supposed rule. You mow in most lawns because rye just grows too fast. You mow bent fescue to create density for free. Its a talked about rule but its, well....daft

  • @martinlogan8329
    @martinlogan8329 Před 2 lety +2

    Congratulations on the RHS endorsement David, that's a great credit to you and the channel, certainly acts as a tangible difference between you and, well, literally every other lawn care channel out there! 😂👏👏
    Couple of q's if you don't mind:
    1- you never mentioned about poa in your bent lawn... is it just far less of an issue in bent due to the thickness of the lawn?
    2- previously you promised a vid on how to seed bent... is that still in the pipeline?
    3- will you/can you add bent seed to your online shop so we can all just get the right stuff? It seems impossible for an average person to get a small amount of quality bent seed for some reason so I'd imagine loads of viewers like me would happily buy from you if you offered it.
    Absolutely love the channel, this vid was worth the months wait, great work mate. 👍

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +3

      Hi Martin,
      poa is in there but in a perennial form, not an annual and the % is almost non existent. That's why its so easy to keep poa out of a bent/fescue over a rye. Rye will die and need re-seeding most years and will look fairly awful in winter for many months. Seeding bent is the same in a sense but as its so small, it likes no competition where possible and the seedbed needs to be lifted (add soil then seed into top of canopy) Seed can be found on the Grass People's website and choose a bent fescue or see if they cant do a 1 kg bag? Bent fescue will give you that 'velvet' lawn. Rye will never. Its a throwaway grass but some like it I guess (because its easy) Not sure what you mean by the RHS endorsement. Sadly, they don't support lawns, as even their exams show. The channel is about showing people how the course goes and gives people a foundation. Just because your popular doesn't mean your right and just because your right, doesn't make you popular!

    • @martinlogan8329
      @martinlogan8329 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation thanks for the reply David. Sorry on rhs, I meant english heritage! I know it might not be an official endorsement as such, but if they're using your course to train their people then that's as good as an endorsement to me!
      Thanks on the grass people suggestion. I'm concerned though that it won't be the same kind of bent grass that you like though? The one that spreads rapidly? I'm confused by the different types of bent grass as it's not as popular online it's hard to get my head around.
      Maybe I should just take the course myself?! 😂🙄

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +2

      All bents will tiller. Creeping bent more so but just try highland and browntop. The two main..

    • @martinlogan8329
      @martinlogan8329 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation brilliant, thanks for enlightening me! 😊🙌🙌

  • @mstar011
    @mstar011 Před 2 lety

    Really informative, great talk. One question I had is is it wise to mix the grass types in a lawn? Or to reseed with the least (or most?) dominate grass type each year, in your lawn? A question that i always wondered but nobody really tells.

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +2

      Always choose what’s dominant. Rye and fescues go together as do bent and fescues as rye and fescue germinate faster than bent ( rye can be 24 hrs- so easy to get to grow) Bents dominate soils that are of low ph as well, but the smaller the seed the harder to germinate into an existing lawn

  • @peterdid
    @peterdid Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting video. For those of us without cylinder mowers, with a normal roller or a robot mower, you seem very pro-Bent grass. Hows it best to convert rye into bent?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety

      Grass species is a choice. I'm not an obsessive lawn person so I look at what's easiest, what's more sustainable and what will give me a 12 month lawn, not a 7 month. Just my choice.. I mow with a rotary on the lawn we show....if it was cylinder mown it would be even more like a carpet. Bent into rye can take a long time but the more regular you mow, the more native grasses will come in. If you want speed then staring again will be quicker. We have a video that shows a lawn being mown with a robot for 10 years and its almost carpet like in its species! Long wait for some....

  • @perro_8688
    @perro_8688 Před 2 měsíci

    Finally! A video showing a bentgrass lawn, not a perfectly and professionally maintained golf green. Why is bentgrass so unpopular in lawn mixtures?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Because seed manufacturers don't have a re-sell. Once its been sown, you should never need to seed again. With rye, you can guarantee it will die....and there's the merry go round that people get on...cha-ching

    • @bitTorrenter
      @bitTorrenter Před 21 dnem

      ​@@lawnassociation Does it make it similar to Clover then? Although, I know it's a different plant.

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 20 dny

      @@bitTorrenter yes and no. Clover wont give you much going on below the ground in terms of roots and does depend of full clover or as part of a lawn

  • @MrThaibox123
    @MrThaibox123 Před rokem

    How long does a grass seed take to die once placed into the lawn soil and watered? Does it vary between the different grass types? Rye bent and fescue for example? If I put down some seed and watered it for a couple of days. And then didn’t for a day. Would that seed be dead? Many thanks

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před rokem

      Im not sure anyone knows exactly how long it takes to die, even seed manufacturers. Watering in intervals like you suggest wont have any effect at all on the success or failure. All seeding is about keeping and maintaining the top 1-5 mm moist (not wet) but many soak too much. The wetter you soak it the more chance of the seed not working too well.

  • @munyag766
    @munyag766 Před 2 měsíci

    What’s the right grass seed when you have kids ? “Heavy use “

    • @gregone6630
      @gregone6630 Před 2 měsíci

      Poa pratenis if it gets enough sunlight. Much better sod, but it does take longer to establish.

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 měsíci

      there is no such thing as heavy wear grass. Seed companies want you to believe that of course, as it sells to people whose lawn wears out...when they have kids for eg. What happens when grasses wear out is the growing medium becomes inhospitable to growing grass, so if you have a wear issue you need to correct that more often and allow the easiest grass species to thrive. In the UK, its bent fescue as when it grows together it creates a protection to the soils as well as gives you increased tillering over those thinning areas. But correct what's happening, dont rely on clever marketing....

  • @jbeansurfer1
    @jbeansurfer1 Před 2 lety +1

    For once, I wholeheartedly thank the CZcams algorithm for connecting me with a channel. I am one of those content munchers that has been spellbound in the last couple of years by the rye grass CZcamsr proponents. It wasn’t completely wasted time as I learned the basics of lawn care and accrue some useful gear along the way. However, having listened carefully to some of these Lawn Association vlogs, I now feel confident to move to a fescue / bent mix for the well draining (coastal-ish) lawn that I have here in Jersey. I have a question: my lawn has reached a poa point of no return and is otherwise a mixture of rye and fescue. I am considering sowing a new lawn with Barenbrug classic 80-20 fescue / bent in late September. I will get a licensed professional to kill off the current lawn in early August but am worried that that treatment might harm the soil that I have worked quite hard to cultivate. Should I be worried? Your guidance would be most welcomed! Love the channel and thanks for imparting your wisdom about the merits of bent and not to fear it!

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks for the comments. It won’t harm the soil particularly and especially if you make sure to feed the soils. Use organics such as Truegrass which is a unique 2 in 1 feed and soil conditioner. And of course, bents and fescues will grow better on your soils

    • @jbeansurfer1
      @jbeansurfer1 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation thank you!

  • @rugs108
    @rugs108 Před 2 lety

    Hi just watched this for the second time. I have scalped my lawn ready for seeding with rye . However after watching this I’m thinking of overseeding with bent . Do you know where I might get small quantities of pure bent . I would probably need around 2kg. Appreciate any advice you have, thanks

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety

      Try the grass people and say we sent you…. Sure they can help

    • @rugs108
      @rugs108 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation David , thanks sent them a message via their website

  • @imantha
    @imantha Před rokem

    Can you pls advice where to buy bent grass seeds? I look ebay and amazon but they are all mostly rye or fescues mixes, only managed to find one mix which contains 5% of bent from ivisons. Is there a different name for this type of seed? An thanks very much for your videos, really helpful.

  • @GW._.
    @GW._. Před 2 lety +1

    You missed out my favourite grass type in uk smooth stalked meadow grass what are your thoughts on this grass type as a uk lawn

    • @davidhedges-gower4762
      @davidhedges-gower4762 Před 2 lety +1

      Probably my second favourite tbh. Just a bit more work involved to germinate and keep but stunningly beautiful when it is

    • @gregone6630
      @gregone6630 Před 2 měsíci

      Poa pratensis is the queen of grasses. Needs lots of sun + high Ph soil. Can't mow quite as low as lolium. Crowds out poa annua well

  • @emfestudios3631
    @emfestudios3631 Před rokem

    We have a clay based lawn which is very wet/soggy in the Winter and parts get very little, if any, sun even in the Summer. Would bent grass grow ok? After watching your videos I think I’d like to use bent, but am I wasting my time with the conditions?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před rokem +2

      Bentgrass grows really well on clay as it can do well with excess food and moisture...should be fine

    • @emfestudios3631
      @emfestudios3631 Před rokem

      @@lawnassociation thank you

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  • @davegraham1398
    @davegraham1398 Před 2 lety +2

    What a great video, very informative. I have a question..... if I wanted a bent grass lawn, would I have to kill off and get rid of the Rye and fescue I have now and throw bent seed down?? Or could I scalp my lawn and scarify it real good, over seed with bent and top dress??

    • @grahamdavis8777
      @grahamdavis8777 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I know its been a year, so You have probably already taken action, but for me (central NC) all I had to do was overseed with Bent, and let it go. Full bent grass lawn in no time at all, after years of struggling with an awful looking yard.
      Lots of people on youtube talk about bentgrass as if it is a huge problem.. but for me, it has absolutely saved my yard.

    • @perro_8688
      @perro_8688 Před 2 měsíci

      ​​@@grahamdavis8777 does it look patchy when compete with rye? I mean rye tends to have darker color.

  • @BenCFord
    @BenCFord Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the video. Interesting thoughts on Ryegrass. Certainly goes against most other Lawncare youtubers! Does your bent grass lawn get any poa annua?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +1

      Bent is used on golf and fine turf for density purposes which is the only way to at least help keep it out but no grass will do 100%

  • @movingforward1981
    @movingforward1981 Před 2 lety

    Good and interesting video, keep them coming :-)
    I’ve tried to reseed with creeping fescue due to the dog killing the grass so thinking it would creep and refill on rather than the overseed with rye. Or would you say bent is better for self recovery ?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety

      Bent creeps far more than fescue and will fill gaps much better. Creeping fescue will work but much slower…

    • @movingforward1981
      @movingforward1981 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation is there somewhere you would recommend to purchase bent grass as I currently can’t find one on the internet

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 2 lety +2

      @@movingforward1981 contact the Grass People as they will do a fescue bent or even a pure bent if you ask. Remember though the over seeding rate of bent is between 4-8gms2

    • @movingforward1981
      @movingforward1981 Před 2 lety

      @@lawnassociation many thanks much appreciated

  • @SuperChalkster
    @SuperChalkster Před 4 měsíci

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  • @jfsx100
    @jfsx100 Před rokem

    What bentgrass do you use?

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před rokem

      We don’t really use other than what we have here. Which is a mixture of highland and some browntop. Nothing special.

    • @jfsx100
      @jfsx100 Před rokem

      @@lawnassociation thanks for the answer could you recommend the brand you are using for that seed? Thanks

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před rokem

      @@jfsx100 as not many supply this except to golf or fine turf, we are just about to launch our own. It’s available just not on the shop yet… you can organise and order via mail for prices, sizes etc on info@lawnassociation.org.uk

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  • @joshplews9488
    @joshplews9488 Před rokem

    It’s hard to understand that someone can be such an educate grass teacher whilst not really caring about the lawns he has.
    I guess a lifetime of working on the golf courses can make someone that way. There’s a difference from hobby enthusiast to a man who’s done it his entire life as a career.
    Anyway thanks for the free knowledge

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před rokem

      Hi Josh, it’s just to show how to learn, you have to have them poor as well otherwise it’s just about manicured lawns which doesn’t teach much. We’ll be ramping up standards at stages but we will be having training days here also so have to have lawns at various stages of….condition

  • @neill1200
    @neill1200 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Lost interest after 10 mins

  • @evangoshert5817
    @evangoshert5817 Před 3 měsíci

    Your talking points on bent grass are good but nobody has bent grass because its super high maintainence. Will turn brown in summer heat. Suffers from disease also. Watering is requirement for bent because the root system is so shallow. Thays that you give up the when you jave a plant that grows on stolons.

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 3 měsíci

      All lawns in the UK pre mid 90’s are bent fescue, as is the whole country. All lawns will be brown if too dry or unmanaged. We don’t have the countryside covered in disease as the benefits of bent fescue is the improvement in the rhizosphere which in turn helps fight disease. And you only see diseases due to poor management or turf being maintained where it doesn’t like it. It has the one of the deepest root systems too. Have you ever grown bent fescue successfully or at all?

    • @evangoshert5817
      @evangoshert5817 Před 3 měsíci

      @@lawnassociation no i run a lawn care company in northeastern US. I have one client of mine you has patches of bent in her yard. Nobody else has it in their yard. Most have bluegrass and fescue. Im just intrigued why its so common over there and not over here.

    • @lawnassociation
      @lawnassociation  Před 3 měsíci

      @@evangoshert5817 it’s our most native grass and grows very naturally and easily here. Where a grass grows easily and tells you that ( in that it covers the whole country) you have to adapt to that. We are able to manage that species along with bent very easily especially when you get the soils digesting the thatch too. Where we started to use ryegrass in the UK, it’s a species that fails and requires yearly over seeding. Bent fescue should never need seed ever…. Our most common is common bent 😛and isn’t as vigorous as say creeping bent. What do you have??

    • @evangoshert5817
      @evangoshert5817 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@lawnassociation my yard is a mix of bluegrass and tttf. I have the gci blue heat and ryzomatous (butchered the spelling) tall fescue. Not sure how well the tall fescue spreads but i know the bluegrass can fill in a small dog pee spot in about 2 months. I still overseed yarly with the rtf just because i like to do it but dont put much seed down when i do.

  • @ilricettario
    @ilricettario Před 4 měsíci

    Audio is poor quality otherwise useful information.

  • @IM-ei5rb
    @IM-ei5rb Před 5 měsíci +2

    That cat is really annoying

    • @sevvy101
      @sevvy101 Před 4 měsíci

      Just like you for mentioning it smartarse

  • @Lawn_Care_Lounge_tv_uk

    bent lawn full of weeds

    • @sevvy101
      @sevvy101 Před 4 měsíci

      Which he mentions in his presentation smartarse