Defining Social Justice | Dr. Voddie Baucham
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- Dr. Voddie Baucham brings our first detailed message by defining what “social justice” is by the definitions provided by the adherents of the movement. Dr. Baucham then provides a polemic from an orthodox Christian understanding of justice.
This presentation was given on January 16, 2019 at the Sovereign Nations 'Social Justice & The Gospel' Conference in Atlanta, Georgia preceding the G3 Conference.
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This man is so needed right now.
I came here purposefully to find his words on this subject. He is such an amazing voice. Speaking truth is hard to find.
Hi do we have a proof blm is supporting abortion do you have a link? I didn’t screen shot stuff from day one
Hector Fragoso I’m not sure if you meant to reply here but I might direct you to their website. It has all the information about their mission. Their donations also get funneled through ACTBLUE which is a democratic progressive platform that aims at investing in progressive ideals (including abortion) which is well known. Best of luck in your research!
Hector Fragoso it is all interconnected
@@hectorfragoso4968 you wont find it. To say blm supports abortion is to make the organization bad.
This man knows TRUTH. And therefore He knows Jesus. I can tell. This is my brother. He is courageous because it costs him more to speak this than I can probably imagine. But blessed are you for being persecuted. Thanks for this🙏🏻
Glad to see this topic being discussed explicitly by Christian pastors.
Yeah but they won't sign a statement denouncing Trump's racism and bigotry.
@@ohbrother8530 "racism" and "bigotry"?
@@ohbrother8530 tell us of his racism and bigotry, Without using the false narrative about Charlottesville as he was speaking about the people opposed to the destruction of the historical statues, of which I am one as are many other black people. Or the lie that he called all Hispanic illegal aliens murderers and rapists. He was obviously referring to the murderers and rapists that are obviously illegally crossing our border due to all the murders and rapes that happen among the illegal aliens that cross our borders. My guess is you have never heard the actual Truth of this or the Truth that was spoken of in this video. You should watch the video.
@@ohbrother8530 Those of you who purport Trump's "racism and bigotry" where you the last 30 years? All the years he hosted the Apprentice, hosting boxing matches, and appearing on multiple talk shows, you had 30-40 years to expose his so-called "hate" or "racism!"
@@radicalindependent ...married an immigrant
CNN brainwave 🤖🤖🤖
Where are other pastors who have the guts to stand and preach this?!,,,
Sadly, but no many.
Roman C. R.C. Sproul would have done... John MacArthur frequently does!
Right here...
No
Because most of them are part of the iron triangle. “The Iron Triangle” by Vince Everett Ellison
I learned years ago not to pray for justice. I pray for mercy, otherwise I might get what I deserve.
Let's not throw the baby with the bath water. You can pray for both, and you should pray for both. This isn't an antithetical or dicotomous issue
Just a couple of considerations: am I willing to accept God’s administration of justice? Do I want justice or retribution? There are more, but I usually can stop asking questions after the first.
@@jimgerhardt2100 , there's two faces to God's justice: retribution and restoration. As a Christian, Jesus recieved my eternal retribution and restored me with the father. I stand confidentialy in the administration of God's juatice. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus"
Cole Sellers Agreed. God will serve justice. I pray that all may seek and receive mercy and redemption rather than the justice we all deserve. That was my original point.
Maybe prayer for either is meaningless. If you pray for justice and you get it then you don't deserve it? You are dangerously delusional.
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Speak the truth brother. We need more people like you and John Mcarther.
He is a Masonic puppet of the NWO!
@@markdemell3717 There are many pastors who are freemasons not just here. If you go to the masonic lodge or know of ones who do you can make that claim. Most large and and afluent churches do it in secret depending on thier level of money and power because they want benefits by being associated with the fraternity however God knows and sees all (Luke 8:17) and there will be consequences for those who straddle the fence. His word will still be preached to the lost
@@markdemell3717 Can you provide proof of your accusation? I seriously doubt this is true, but there have been people misled and join the brotherhood, and don’t ever move up the ranks, and in knowing a little bit about how they move up in the ranks, pledging secrecy, and a lot of people stay in the lower ranks, where they only know and are a part of helping one another, family and their community. If Voddie ever had anything to do with the brotherhood(freemasonry) I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t stay in it, if he had at one time ever joined. It is better to go directly to someone who you have a concern about, have you done this? Have you talked with Voddie about this? We are to go to the person in love and try to restore them privately.
And Paul Washer.
@@Robin19196 Yes Paul Washer too! Agreed 100%
One of the most thoughtful, intelligent and articulate lectures I have ever heard about what social justice really means to the left
We have to accept that the vast majority of the left and right are morons who vote on slogans
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Agreed. Lol
The anti social justice statement is just protecting white supremacy and this new wave of white ethnic nationalism under Trump.
@@ohbrother8530 I am going to assume that you did not listen to the video, or understood one word he said!
Rodrick Evans How is he racist, I bet you couldn’t even explain how.
Nelson's Rudolph Facts, brother nice job. 👍🏽
I'm not a Christian but I like this guy
He's brave, thoughtful, and strong. In the age that talking about truth and reason costs you everything he courageously debates against all lies and fake presumptions
I give you props for being willing to listen to a preacher!
@@AZmom60 thanks
All the more reason to trust in Christ as your Lord & Savior, as this fine preacher has done! You will have eternal life and have joy unspeakable! Glad you are listening!
If you are seeking truth (which it clearly looks like you are), then that is from God. Continue in seeking truth and if you also seek the author of that truth...you will be rewarded with things that last. Psalm 25 is for you (especially verse 5). Like I was, you may be waiting on him (the real him) right now...without even realizing it.
He is a mason who works for WHO!
Can you imagine having the Dr, Senator Tim Scott and Dr Ben Carson in the same room working on issues. Men to be proud of, MEN OF GOD.
satan ,the god of this world is his god ,not YAHUA our creator ! He is a Mason ,watch his hand signals! NWO puppet!
You as a so called pastor ,should talk about what the God of the holy Bible talks about oppression, and that it doesn't matter die whith out God in sin your going to hell.
Through out the Bible it talks about how the rich should treat the poor, it says he who oppresses the poor shows contempt for, his maker.The wise shall die as the fool. Social justice plays a part in scripture, for the rich and the poor ,for if either dies with out God both are condemn to Hell not a direct quote from the Bible but fact.so study to show thy self approved.
He would disagree, but this man will be remembered as a giant of our faith.
He is a Masonic NWO follower,wake up!
@@markdemell3717
How do you know? Proof? Documents?
Absolutely.
A giant to whom?
I'm a dude from Appalachia that clawed my way out. God is so good.
I'm a Calvinist Pastor who has been Preaching about this for years, but ONLY bits and pieces. As I didn't understand the syntax they were using against me -- us! This brings clarity like a laser beam to this subject. God always raises up a man to fight the good fight, to run the race, to keep the faith like he did even during the time of the Apostles, 2 Timothy 4:7-8. You are that man today; God bless you, Pastor Voddie Baucham. 1 Corinthians 15:34-58; 2 Peter 3:1-18; 1 Peter 1:1-25.
It is a Marxist term, thank you Voddie you are a gift from God to encourage real analysis thinking.
If it is a Marxist term does that make it inherently wrong? Is Justice for a disadvantage section of a society an immoral thing?
Also a Nazi term, the German equivalent of the term “social justice” appeared in Nazi propaganda while the national socialist workers party was in power.
Aside from various claims that it is a Marxist term, social justice was coined by a Jesuit priest: Luigi Taparelli in the early 1800's.
As a Christian pastor, let me simply say “Amen”.
Make it about you..
🙄 narcissist millennial typical
If you can’t say amen you better say ouch!
As a fellow Christian Pastor I'll second that. Amen!
This Voodoo is of the NWO,he made many Masonic hand symbols,wake up!
@@markdemell3717 You win!!!! Dumbest comment on youtube today!
So enlightening and encouraging to see so many black leaders speaking up and educating the American people, especially from a Biblical perspective, unashamed and unafraid. Thank you!
CZcams algorithms finally suggested a socio-political video I liked! Smart move by Sovereign Nations to name it simply "Defining Social Justice".
Me too...weird
Your point about the stages of brainwashing is so important.
I agree. This is what is happening today with systemic racism theory.
@@Robin19196 racism is literally systematic. This coming from a black person, I’ve lived through it my whole life and so did my ancestors and so did every other black person in america
Amen! Biblical truth and ultimate reality is often replaced by human-centric ideas that are strictly based only on this world. Human based values fluctuate from culture to culture but ultimate biblical truth does not. It requires wisdom and grace to know the difference AND show mercy, love, and care-from a biblical perspective- while fully understanding and practicing God's justice.
It is very interesting how we depend on Pastors to be the voice of community/world issues. Seems many are of this world and speak on things of this world at the failure of being obedient to the Bibical mandate of their purpose.... for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the BODY of CHRIST. Till we all come in the unity of the FAITH, and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Here's the OBVIOUS missing part... that we henceforth be no more CHILDREN, tossed to and fro, and carried about with EVERY WIND of doctrine by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into HIM (we have a culture of believers growing up to vocal about Pastors they like versus reciting passages of Scripture they like) in all things which is the head, even Christ. Eph 4:12-15.
How did you grow in Christ from this message? How did you become more perfected in the knowledge of CHRIST and JUSTICE? I heard nothing about Christ centered JUSTICE supported by Scripture. There is a thing called Christ centered justice. Otherwise the one passage ge mentioned Micha 6:8 would not be part of the Scriptures. He never talked about seeking justice for a victim of police misconduct which is the loudest plea for justice God hears vibrating from the earth.
Cain had some idea about justice, right? Why else would he say my PUNISHMENT is greater than I can bear. Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth, and from (this is the deep part) thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth, and it shall come to pass that every one that findeth me shall slay me (see Gen 4:13-14).
Stop being so dependent on "Pastors" to rightly divide truth. As a believer it is YOUR responsibility to study to show THYSELF APPROVED verus "approving" sermons by Pastors!
#selah
What Bibcal truth did you learn about seeking justice from a Biblical perspective? Perhaps I missed the connecting of the dots!
@@dasindelta3540 In listening to Voddie's presentation again, I can see your point. His focus is on defining social justice, not on defining Biblical justice. He does define Biblical Justice, although he could have unpacked Micah 6_1-8 a little more, which he read at time marker 5:54 - 7:25 . He made a clear statement, "we must do justice" but he did not give application based on the text.
Even so, is he right? Is today's social justice movement biblical or not? I can argue that starting a business is supported on biblical grounds - see Prov 31_16-18 or James 4_13-17. However, as James implies, the guiding principles and practices of that business must be based on biblical principles and values for the disciples of Jesus Christ. My goal is not to defend Voddie, per se; you can contact him and he can defend himself (He is a good man of God so give him grace - he is not a sinful hypocritical preacher, at least as far as I can see). My point is that ANY presentation can connect the dots of biblical truth to our lives and our spiritual growth without overtly justifying every salient point with a biblical proof-text. We can answer the question, "is the social justice movement biblical" and then wisely associate or not associate with various aspects of said movements.
This presentation pre-dates the current spark and passions inflamed by the murder of George Floyd (although there is plenty of other unjust situations before this that Voddie could have addressed). Also, his speech topic was given to him - he didn't select it. But again, my point is not to defend him but to point out that any preacher can connect the dots of biblical truth and application without a myriad of references to the scriptures. One preacher who did this well was Martin Luther King, Jr. I'm not sure if you think that his speeches were appropriate or not or if they connected the dots or not, but I thought his speeches did this well (even though certain aspects of his own life were problematic). Many preachers only reference one text in their talks. (Some never related the rest of their sermon or speech back to the one text or they are way out of context- and yes that is a problem). I would argue that if the saints can gain even one thing from such talks (in the spirit of Ephesians 4_11-17 which you partially referenced) then the dots have been connected.
Anyway, that's just my thoughts based on your assessment of the speech. Respond if you like. --- YBIC
Amen! Wonderful comment! God bless.
Amen! God demands justice! God’s justice is completely different from social justice! Thank you Pastor for clear explanation & teaching!
What is Biblical Godly justice? Wouldn't it have to be social? What else would it be?
When God changes the heart of an individual its impact is experienced in society. Thus a heart of stone also impacts society (rulers, judges, and the people). Do we not see this with Pharoah?
He is a puppet of the NWO ,a Masonic Dr Voodoo.! Wake up sister! He made a few Masonic hand symbols.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👊. One good thing CZcams has given me: this brother in Christ.
Voddie always delivers a clear, well thought-out message.
Wow!! Thank you so much for preaching biblical truth. I am really trying to understand this from a Biblical perspective and not a secular world view! This is a breath of fresh air.
Voddie, I’m thankful that your heart is soft to God’s work and movement in your life.
"The social justice world is not about justice." TRUTH!!!
so obvious
its about narcissism
@Nelson's Rudolph no you are the one obsessed and triggered by him
He doesnt bother me someone has to stand up to the globalist scumbag like you and pekosi
Nelson's Rudolph you are part of the mental delusion.
Nelson's Rudolph l would say that is probably how God sees you. Who do think you are to judge a man you don’t know?
@@ZZ-yw5sh We dont know Donald Trump? By their fruits you will know them. If someone cant see Donald Trump's fruits and call them what they are I daresay such a person would struggle see anyone's true fruits
Probably could lose my job for posting this on my facebook page. So be it. To God be the Glory...
Amen!
A model for educators...a well delivered message that looks at a topic from all angles with truth in its design...a breath of fresh air. A display in what real "leadership" looks like. Well spoken and inspiring.
Clearest definition of the subject I have heard yet.
Serve Him with our hearts, souls and minds and serve no other gods
You PREACHIN’ Bruh... You PREACHIN’ !
I’m praying for you and your family as we are partners in the gospel, even if we’ve never met!
*_God,_** has blessed us all, through this mans wisdom & insight.*
This man is brilliant.
Just the best. "They're whopping ery'body... that's beyond everybody." So much complexity taught with such clarity. If I weren't typing this on my keyboard I'd be standing and applauding.
Easily distracted much?
Yeah, thanks for making me stop and reflected on that statement. A profound summary in one line I think.
This is FIRE! I pray I can convey ideas in this manner someday.
Well, stick with Jesus and you will. He'll teach you all you need to know.
Yes beautiful!!!!!
@@cantushea4659weirdo
@A. glad you beat me to the punch...er...took the words right of my mouth. Stole my FIRE‼
Is Grammerly too incendiary?
Nothing is fire; passion for its own sake burns for selfishness
Fantastic! How clear and articulate. The church needs this. The world needs this.
American theology became a lot poorer when Voddie left for Zambia.
Thoughtful, rational and outstanding. I've just recently become acquainted with Dr. Baucham's teachings and am so impressed.
i learned a whole subject under 40 minutes.
Wow. Just, wow. Clear. Concise. Unambiguous. AMEN
I pray that we, as children of God would accept and love each other in actions and deeds. Then maybe the world would follow in like manner. What a great sermon I love listening to him.
Good word, Voddie! I am a pastor in the Southern Baptist Convention, and your videos are a part of what is helping me to get educated on Social Justice, Critical Race Theory, Intersectionality, White Privilege, etc., in order to fight against these toxic movements in our convention. Thanks so much:)
Beyond Toxic it's demonic spirit entering churches so fast . We are in the end of end times .
Love this brother in Christ. Since I can’t communicate important issues like this good man....(don’t think people could get past my thick country accent if I could anyway 😏) I’ll make mention of him in prayer to finish the long race he has ahead.
He like my spiritual father...biblical womanhood was a life changer...he has an annointing
Heard about him on the Glenn Beck radio program. I liked what I heard so I looked him up. I'm blown away by his intelligence and clear thinking!
I have learned so much listening - God bless you Voddie Baucham
Love listening to Dr. Baucham. Once again, he nails his topic. Shared to FB, maybe someone who needed to hear this will click.
Greetings fellow Hoosier!
This is very well explained. Too bad those that should hear it, won't.
Never assume that that is the case.
He is puppet of the NWO ,Masonic rulers. DR Voodoo.
@@markdemell3717 No, he’s not. Why do you honk this?
@@markdemell3717 Ok? But his message is on point and delivered masterfully.
Rarely have I heard such clarity on the subject. God bless you Voddie. No matter how the enemy (Satan) packages and repackages his garbage, God’s Word remains the truth. Truth for eternal life
The Gospel is Christ alone and his life presented/shared with all GROUPS. You know that right? The gospel wasn't presented in this clip. This was at best "A Religious" Ted Talk!
This guy is so right on!
Dr Baucham is fast becoming one of my favorite instructors. He is a Father in the Lord as well from my perspective. He expresses ideas that I did not know how to articulate but once he speaks out, it rings true in my ears and I wish I could have heard him say that before I spoke with some of my friends about some of the topics we discussed. His take on the Providence of God clears the air in so many conversations. We are One in Christ Jesus. Yet we love the diversity we find in The Body of Christ. I will be listening more to his sermons. Glad to hear from you Dr Voddie.
I PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS OF MY LOST SOUL....ALL THE TIME TO MY KING JESUS CHRIST....
As my church embraces social justice and divides by skin color, Dr. Baucham’s wisdom is critical.
We need this message now more that ever!
Fabulous pastor Voddie a massive AMEN brother
First, yes to all of this...
Second, You're aging backwards....😎 Idk what you're doing but it's working! God bless.
You are really my brother, you speak with justice. This puts the responsibility on my own christian life as to how I will respond to God's commands apart from politics.
Yessss ^^^ you get it
This was literally 1 yr ago. This biblical man saw the writing on the wall. Please pray from him.
Wow! This is what the world needs to hear.
No amount of redistribution or any other 'reparation' will satiate the 'social justice' mind.
Yep, let's do none then. In fact, when talking about redistribution, lets just say it will never be enough as a way to absolve society from its own responsibility to those who were historically disadvantaged.
There is never enough because some have too much and other's not enough. Redistribute in a kind and merciful way, be friends to those that have been marginalized, help them float their boat, treat them with respect and kindness. Then there be enough. It is not that there won't be any problems and heaven will have finally arrived but, that those problems are dealt with differently and people notice and forgive each other because we are sincerely trying.
I have said nothing about whether to or not to redistribute anything. If their is no problem, the 'social justice' mind creates a problem in order to expend it's 'discomfort' energy.
@@cosmish that's a good theory. How about we take care of the actual problem and then maybe we could test that out. Its entirely possible that they might listen to reason if the immediate response to them bringing up actual problems isnt someone saying that they always invent problems
oakinwol I think I misled you with my typo. ‘Their’ should be ‘there’. I said nothing about telling anyone who is up for reasoned discussion that they are inventing problems. If the social justice mind could respond with reason, it would respond that way to what it perceives as both negative and positive.
You are truly led by the spirit of God. Please keep on keeping on!!! AMEN!
I knew every fact and quote he cited. I've been arguing this for decades, And yet, he conveys it all beter than I believed it xould be.
Well perhaps you can point me to the Scriptures which he failed to do.
Never thought about this before in this manner. Thank you Dr. Voddie Baucham
You are absolutely right, Doctor.
Brother Voddie keeping it real once again. Love him
This is so good!! Can someone make this go viral right now?
heard dr voddie on glenn beck this a.m the truth & honest coming from the man... i just wanted to cry. have never heard such spiritually awakening message - straight from God's mouth to my heart. Thank you Dr. Voddie.
Again this issue is being defined by those who hold the power to define everything.
@ChristinaRekha I'm not sure what you mean by "his theory of 'social justice'" when he states at the beginning that he is speaking to social justice based on it's definition in the dictionary.
@@cr9144 and how would you know? he was raised in south central LA by a teenage single mother and had multiple family members gunned down due to gang violence. Does that help your whose opressed and whose not narrative better? believe it our not that is true about him
Hello Joseph, Isn't this the definition provided here a fairly accepted definition of social justice?
Above all the other work Voddie has done in obedience to God throughout his life, we now have him "for such a time as this ".
social justice equals marxism. Love this guy
God bless for following your calling!! For such a time as this!!
It’s been difficult to parse out the meaning of this phrase as we know that the Word of God calls us to do justice and to seek justice. It also calls for the care of the oppressed. The Old Testament talks so much about God hating when the powerful oppress the weak. Anyway, many Christians who are figuring out that term doesn’t mean what we think it means are still devoted to the idea of justice and caring for the poor and oppressed. Terms and words are moving targets in our postmodern world. This talk is helpful in order to help us think through what we are aligning ourselves with. For me, it meant working in ministry that helps women out of adult entertainment or rescuing and disciplining people out of human trafficking or out of addiction, homelessness and poverty. Ministries that teach self-responsibility and good job or entrepreneurship skills and of course preach the Gospel first. So not everyone who has used the phrase has bought into what it has now been fully co-opted to mean. I’m not a feminist, not an “ally.” Ally has been co-opted to mean “I affirm all your choices.” So, I agree with Mr. Baucham and this teaching is helpful to me to think through why Christians are debating one another on the use of this term.
Well said, Christianna.
Jesus put tremendous spiritual, social, and psychological truth into just a few very plain words, and covered everything necessary in very simple terms: _“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”_
Beautifully said
I'm a longtime reformed Christian but new to this subject... except that people I know are on the wrong side of it and I was uneducated about it. Oh my. What a mess. Thanks so much for this clarifying message. I'll probably lose several "friends" when I share your Biblically based truths on this. But Jesus is our true friend. I'll stand with him.
Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you Voddie. I wish you were my pastor. Our churches are so weak, the pulpits are shameful.. we in America have become sheep without shepherds..but we that want to still hear the Good Shepherd's voice. God bless and keep you and your family 💖💕💖💕💖💕
There is no such thing as "Social" Justice or "Racial" Justice or any other kind of justice with a modifier before it. The word Justice is sufficient for all situations and circumstances everywhere and in all things. To add a modifier, you water down the word justice and devalue it. We need to never, ever use the word Justice with a modifier.
Pretty profound and I 100% agree
I think Luigi Taparelli added the qualifier originally to counteract the upper class cultural Calvinistic (not necessarily Calvinist practicing on the theological level) rationalizations that Smith employed in his “The Wealth of Nations” that became the basis for the then new economic practices for what Marx would later lump together generically as “Capitalism”.
Under Smith’s system, from the Catholic point of view, “justice” was already becoming muddled, so the qualifier was added to try to make things clearer. He probably knew nothing about Marx at the time and it wasn’t until American Catholics attempted, under the leadership of Joe Kennedy, TRIED, and failed, to take over the Democrat Party (1895-1932) that it started to be twisted to its current FAR more muddled form.
Tommy Scott Amen to that!
You beat me to it. I agree completely, but I believe that I wasn't as concise.
Elder Millennial Well said.
A voice of reason in a world of insanity. God bless him. Let his voice be heard.
I just realized I've been brain washed 🤯
@J L amen!
Never heard of Mr. Baucham before, but have to take my hat off to him. Brilliant , articulated, knowledgeable , educated and so on. I bet you he did not get his knowledge and education hanging around in parks and streets . He works for it.,,!!
Any time you add a qualifier to justice, you dont have justice.
Amen
Dr. Baucham, thank you for being so authentic and true to the Bible. You are a wonderful speaker and teacher. I look forward to meeting you in eternity.
"I demand justice....well maybe not justice,... more like preferentially treatment,.... but I demand it nevertheless." -Frazier Craine- (from Cheers)
example?
White racist like you in Charlottesville demanded preferential treatment. Stop repeating racist fox news talking points and think like a Christian !
All non white people aren't your enemy !
Season 3 Episode 15 "A word to the wiseguy" Maris gets a ticket and needs Niles help. Great Frasier reference my man.👍
Yesica1993 I think the person he was talking to deleted there comment. It’s not like he has a name tagged to his comment.
@@user-yn8ll7fj1e are you referring to the Frasier comment?
DR VODDIE BAUCHAM MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU THROUGH CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR SR
Voddie certainly peeled back the onion on social justice.
Its amazing that he has done sermons on social issues like abortion but when it comes to those who oppose and expose racism among evangelicals, he berates and attacks those who oppose racism...smh. Very Duplicitous.
KB social justice should be called: pushing-their-agenda justice.
What a man...of Wisdom, of insight, of equitable integrity, of brilliant clarity...OF GOD! OH FOR A NATION TO HEAR!
I didn't follow his logic. The first two definitions of Social Justice that he quotes start out by saying it is a nebulous or amorphous term. Yet he proceeds to define it very precisely, and then tear it down based on his precise definition. Feels very much like he's creating a straw man, saying "See, here is what Social Justice is, isn't it awful?" and then proceeding to tear it down. If Social Justice is truly nebulous and amorphous term, how can it be defined so precisely and how can "everyone know exactly what it means"?
A born again person get mercy, all others get justice! Trust in Jesus
He had me at Hayek
Wow!! He is a blessing. Can’t stop listening to him! May the Lord bless him!
Excellent Talk. I subscribed just in hopes of hearing more from Dr. Baucham. Such clarity is a treasure..
What a mind this man has. Such a plumbline of justice laid forth so clearly!!!
Well done.
I really appreciate Pastor Baucham's carefully reasoned and Biblically sound messages.
_“We dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise”_ (2Corinthians 10:12). The trouble begins with classing ourselves, putting ourselves in separate little cliques. If I'm in Christ and you are also, we are ONE! This was the prayer of our High Priest, the Lord Jesus: _“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us”_ (John 17:20-21). We are one, not because you or I think it's a good idea, but because our LORD has accomplished that miracle! _“Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar”_ (Rom 3:4).
This man has it down pat. The problem is, it requires THINKING and REASONING to understand this, and this is something these people have been taught NOT to do, it is something they have not been taught HOW to do.
_"Cosmic justice is not simply a higher degree of traditional justice, it is a fundamentally different concept. Traditionally, justice or injustice is characteristic of a _*_process._*_ A defendant in a criminal case would be said to have received justice if the trial were conducted as it should be, under fair rules and with the judge and jury being impartial. After such a trial, it could be said that "justice was done"-regardless of whether the outcome was an acquittal or an execution. Conversely, if the trial were conducted in violation of the rules and with a judge or jury showing prejudice against the defendant, this would be considered an unfair or unjust trial-even if the prosecutor failed in the end to get enough jurors to vote to convict an innocent person. In short, traditional justice is about impartial processes rather than either results or prospects._
_Similar conceptions of justice or fairness extend beyond the legal system. A "fair fight" is one in which both combatants observe the rules, regardless of whether that leads to a draw or to a one-sided beating. Applying the same rules of baseball to all meant that Mark McGwire hit seventy home runs while some other players hit less than ten. The "career open to talents" or "a level playing field" usually means that everyone plays by the same rules and is judged by the same standards. Again, if the process itself meets that standard, then no matter what the outcome, "you had your chance." But this is not what is meant by those people who speak of "social justice." In fact, rules and standards equally applicable to all are often deliberately set aside in pursuit of "social justice." Nor are such exceptions aberrations. The two concepts are mutually incompatible._
_What "social justice" seeks to do is to eliminate undeserved disadvantages for selected groups. ... This is often done in disregard of the costs of this to other individuals or groups-or even to the requirements of society as a whole. When one considers a society such as Sri Lanka, where group preferences initiated in the 1950s led to decades of internal strife, escalating into bitter civil war with many atrocities, it is not purely fanciful to consider that other societies may become more polarized and contentious-to everyone’s ultimate detriment-by similar schemes of preferential treatment for one segment of society."_
- The Quest For Cosmic Justice by Thomas Sowell
I like Thomas Sowell. He makes me think.
So we have biblical justice and we have distributive justice, two very different things. Thank you, Dr Baucham
Did America not gain her wealth by unjust means?
"Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by injustice!" -Habakkuk 2:12
(Injustice: Lack of fairness or justice)
I think i see what Voddie is trying to break down, but i think giving the people a thoroughly breakdown of what Biblical justice looks like, in context to politics, economics, and social matters, should have come before a lesson like this, or follow a lesson like this.
Too many so-called followers of Christ are already not moved to do the things The Creator loves, and a message like this can just embolden those who already lack the affection to do right (justice).
With that being said, i do think it is important that we hear messages like this because if we dont understand and define justice biblically, the world's understanding of "justice" will have us supporting homosexuality and other abominations like oppression!
So even though i think this teaching was misplaced, its good because it can lead to further dialog.
That may be so but we are blessed in so many ways because of it. Nothing is perfect but we can correct it through Jesus Christ name. The past shouldn’t be used to justify current angers unless the. Past is still in affect. Which it is not.
@@Dbulkss - Blessed because of what?
And who is blessed?
@@isesise2658 the establishment of a country of individuals is blessed. The ability to live free with God and share his word without a government who will kill you or send you to jail for doing so. The ability to have abundant amount of information and not be enslaved like some places in Africa is a blessing. We wouldn't have CZcams if it wasn't for the power of personal responsibility to solve issues under the notion of Capitalism.
@@Dbulkss - We wouldn't have YT if 1st world nations didn't plunder the 3rd world for resources.
There is a ted talk where a woman is breaking down how in 2008 the French president said if France lose Sierra Leone as a colony, France will quickly become a 3rd world nation. That is how much France is dependent on plundering Sierra Leone, while leaving Sierra Leone to be, last time I checked, one of the top 5 poorest nations in the world.
What about other 1st nations? If they stopped their plunder, where would they be?
The Most High called Nebuchadnezzar His servant, but we know Nebuchadnezzar was wicked, so why did The Most High call him His servant? Because The Most High plan was to use Nebuchadnezzar to further His will.
America is no different. America is that beast in Revelations with two horns that LOOKED like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon.
Once America's sins reach the heavens, her destruction will soon follow - The best thing to do is repent from the ways of America and seek The Most High with a open diligent heart. He will be the only one that can save us.
@@isesise2658 that's a interesting opinion. A very pessimistic outlook.
So glad to hear him talking about the propaganda power of tv. The times in my life where i have been away from tv for weeks/months at a time have shown me clearly that i am vulnerable to this propaganda even though i am aware of it and against it. Desensitising, jamming, conversion
There would be no confusion if justice is related to scripture.
Scripture speaks about justice.
love sharing Proverbs 29:7 (NKJV)
7 The righteous considers the cause of the poor, But the wicked does not understand such knowledge.
Isaiah 1:17 (NKJV)
17 Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke [a]the oppressor; [b]Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow.
Leviticus 19:15 (NKJV)
15 ‘You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.
Psalm 33:5 (NKJV)
5 He loves righteousness and justice;
The earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.
@@user-yn8ll7fj1e you like your own comments you detached wingnut
satan quotes scipture to
aka your father
So incredibly thoughtful and exposes the forces that we are in a spiritual war with.
No chance that this good man's words will be heeded buy this sick generation. He simply makes too much sense.
oldschoolsaint This generation? All generations especially the past.
Rodrick Evans Lol 😂 “the system hates authority” yet America was FOUNDED on challenging Authority. The American Revolution ringing a bell? 🔔
@@user-yn8ll7fj1e I believe he is speaking of the world as Jesus speaks of it. John 15:18, if the world hates you understand, it hated me first.
John Akridge That’s spiritual then, aren’t you talking about the physical?
@@user-yn8ll7fj1e this generation is the wrost of all time by far you piece of crap millenial narcissist
Thankyou for your insightful take on this thorny issue of "Social Justice". You have your finger on the pulse, and have so eloquently explained the problems for Christians in acquiescing to this dangerous agenda.
These are groups Scripture references regarding justice....care for the fatherless, the orphan, and the widow. The other groups throughout Scripture are men, women, children. And there's more so this message lacks clarity on Godly justice.
We need language which stands against the misappropriation of words. ACTUAL justice, versus social justice.
Boddie -I haven't heard you for awhile- since you left the USA- Thank you for this articulate description - Wow-
I was feeling like am I missing something -with all that is going on - This was a healing balm of truth
How is it that justice isn't social? If we are called to seek it (Micha 6:8) in conjunction with walking humbly before God where would we be seeking it other than our society? In a vaccum, in the sky, in nature, on Mars/Venus? Is this 🎤 on?
Thank you so much, Dr. Baucham for such a great explanation and TRUTH!