Building the REAL "ultimate Windows 98 PC"
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- I'd like to upload a part 2 of this once I've added some needed upgrades and tweaks to the 98 PC, and probably benchmark a wider variety of games.
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I guess we'll see part 2 in Q4 2023?
Pinning this 'cause you kinda called it oops
No!
@@CursedSilicon Hi! I have a question - what do you mean by "backport an older opengl dll file from the 81.98 driver" at 10:42? Is there any place where this procedure is explained, or if not, could you please explain a bit if that's okay?
@@IonfraX Hello!
You'll need to grab a copy of the 81.98 driver. You can then extract it (it's a ZIP file basically)
Inside you should have an "NVOPENGL" file. Simply replace the one in the 82.69 driver with that and then run the installer
Is that in Boeing years?
You should consider Getting a CRT that supports QXGA (2048 x 1536) @ 60fps, that would make your setup that extra bit more ultimate since its also the maximum resolution that VGA can support. I know there are several Viewsonic CRTs from the early 2000s that support this resolution and from what I can tell they don't seem to be unobtanium at least so its something worth looking into. If you're lucky you may even be able to get that resolution to work on your current monitor with some workarounds
Rule number 1 when building a legacy PC: The software you plan to use determines the hardware you install into your legacy PC build, not your ego. 🤔
But that's no *fun*
Oooh..so touchy! I think this is a great project to post on CZcams it’s a personal experience of the problems and decisions that are more often than not ‘sanitised’ on other YT presentations. It’s really interesting and he’s made some helpful discoveries.
Oooh..so touchy! I think this is a great project to post on CZcams it’s a personal experience of the problems and decisions that are more often than not ‘sanitised’ on other YT presentations. It’s really interesting and he’s made some helpful discoveries.
For my ultimate multibooter 2005 PC I didn't risk it because I didn't find the newer nvidia drivers very stable despite knowing they existed.
I went for the 6800GT instead combined with the 77.72 driver which gives a pretty good experience on 98, but for the games its failing at I have a Voodoo 2 in the build as well to pick up the slack. The system runs everything from Windows 3.11 (With limitations) up to Windows 10, very happy with it :D
I personally go for Autopatcher and leave KernelX out of it since KernelX I noticed can be a bit buggy where you need to enable compatibility settings tweaks for software that otherwise would have worked fine. On a 98 only system KernelX makes a lot of sense, but for the stuff 98 can't run I just reboot to XP.
OMG, that's a Viewsonic PF790, that's the crt I use for my 98 and XP/7 rig 😄
Unfortunately the EDID info on mine got corrupted back in April so I've had to use CRU (thankfully I saved a profile on it before that happened) or 3d party software to manually set the information for the crt.
Very nice video my good sir! So interesting to see how different combinations of hardware and software (which, is endless in the PC World) can result in such different outcomes! I had the opposite experience on the GPU side of things... Like you, I made the “mistake” of going with a PCI-e motherboard for Windows 98 (something VOGONS will always tell you to avoid and go with AGP instead): an MSI MS-7139 v2 with VIA K8M890 chipset plus Athlon 64 3500+. The choice here was mostly motivated by my desire to use the fastest single core Athlon 64 I could get my hands on (since they are so fast and still very friendly to Windows98, without wasting a secondary core on Windows 9x), on a small form factor Micro-ATX setup.
With this mobo+CPU combo I simply could not make any Nvidia 6xxx GPU work reliably on Windows 98 (tried all compatible Nvidia drivers with different [all bad!] results). I tried one 6600GT and two 6800GT before I gave up on Nvidia (it was crashes galore!) for this project and got a Radeon X850XT PE… And guess what? The first Radeon X850XT PE I got worked flawlessly on my setup! Runs every single game I tested on it so far (dozens of big releases from the 1995-2002 era) with the highest possible frame rates in 1280 x 1024. I honestly was surprised how stable the system got with this GPU, after all my struggles with Nvidia (which made watching your video so shocking when I saw your diametrically opposite experience 😂)!
On the software side I didn’t push things as far as you did though: I just used Win98 with the same unofficial SP3, which was enough to run all the games and apps I needed (I have another machine with WinXP for post 2002 software).
One area I did struggle (as you did) to make it work properly was the storage controllers. My mobo came with both IDE and SATA ports, but in the end, I had to turn off all SATA in the BIOS and use only IDE (used the same SATA do IDE adapter you did for my 120gb SSD). For some reason I could not even use primary and secondary connections on the same IDE channel… Had to be ONLY ONE drive, the SSD, on the main mobo IDE port (I installed a PCI SCSI adapter for CD/DVD-ROM duties and left the other IDE port for an internal Zip 750mb drive for “sneakernet”, since I don’t use any networking on this machine).
It took me about 6 months of experimentations with this PC to get it to where it is today, which is a very happy place I must say (have been running it rock solid with no game crashes for over a year now)! So, I always keep a mirrored version of my latest successful game installations on this Win98 setup (on another 120gb SSD), since I DO NOT want to go through the rigamarole of ever having to reconfigure the OS on this machine again! 😆
awesome project, must see a part 2 !
I'm on this exact journey right now and just stumbled onto this channel while trying to figure out what the hell I am doing. (Currently picking out parts for the build). I also decided to go with a VIA chipset because it seems to have the best 98 compatibility well after 98 was put to rest in favor of XP. I was looking at Socket 939 boards though as I also decided to go the AMD route. AnandTech had some good benchmark data for boards still equipped with AGP of that era (2004ish). However Abit and Asus both have PCI-E models that are basically just incremented VIA chipsets that support PCI-E on what is more than less the same board... But I'm not finding those listed on ebay. I am finding the Asus M2V you've shown here though. So now I'm just kind of scratching my chin and deciding where to go. You're project goals are largely the same as mine. Stupid fast 98 on fully supported hardware. I hadn't even considered Socket AM2. Really interesting. I would like to keep some DOS compatibility though. Of course DOS doesn't need this kind of hardware, but neither does 98 at the end of the day. For me DOS is kind of part of the 98 experience. So... I'm starting to drift back towards the idea of using GeForce FX or older GPUs. Asrock does make a Socket 939 board with a ULi chipset that actually supports both PCI-E and AGP... I don't know man. It's a rabbit hole. LOL. Anyway, thanks for the video. It's literally the only one I have come across with the same ideas I had in my head so this was super helpful, and congrats on a build well done!
I tried a ULi chipset board originally (The same 939 board that PhilsComputerLab) used
Unfortunately the chipset has broken DMA support which renders the system unusable under 98
If you want to preserve DOS compatibility just go for an older ATi or Nvidia GPU (Pre Geforce 6) that still has the Vesa BIOS Extensions (VBE) support
What a coincidence, I'm watching this during another heatwave.
Keep up the videos. Good work!
You focused a lot on the gpus and not on the mobo in my opinion, by the looks of it i would choose a different mobo or platform all together. Never checked the athlon 64 x2 on windows 98 so i don't know how compatible-stable it is on win98.
33:18 Not only is it 25fps, but instead of the frame times being 40ms, it alternates between 33ms and 47ms every frame for some fucking reason. Fun fact: that extra 14ms on every other frame also applies when you turn off the frame limiter, so it's impossible to get more than 142fps(or 200fps on the steam/rgl versions). Just thought I'd mention this.
Holy shit the port is even worse than I was lead to believe. What the fuck were Rockstar DOING
I really enjoyed playing System Shock 2 back in the day, but have been having one heck of a time trying to find a setup that works well enough to play it (longer than a few minutes). Every system I've used, except for an early Win 98 SE system, seems to play okay for a bit, then either freezes or crashes out to the desktop. Maybe the game needs to be patched? I'm kinda stuped. :( Glad you got that one working !
I just installed 98 windows on the old site where the installation was mounted to take advantage of games that matter what it was like 20 years back
Not directly into topic but just related with SATA talk.. perhaps useful for somebody - I once built somewhat maxed out soc A system where I used VIA KT880 chipest - and that chipest has weird issue not recognizing any SATA2 or later devices - but I really wanted to use native SATA SSD. I kinda accidentally found out then theres at least one SATA1 SSD manufactured - STEC MATCH8.
A like just for the commitment with the Gpus 😊
man you have to be the only person i've seen test pso:bb. You earned a like!
The term "Ultimate" is very subjective. In terms of compatibility versus performance or stability there are always trade offs. Pick too new parts and lose compatibility. Pick too old of parts and lose performance. Pick crappy chipsets and lose stability. After messing around with many different configurations with windows 98se, I have found that a 3+ ghz P4 with 2x256mb ddr400 in dual channel on a intel 865 chipset with a nvidia gpu no newer then a FX series card seems to be the sweet spot. The 865 chipset offers SATA that works in IDE mode and has all the drivers for win98se, the 3ghz p4 has plenty of grunt to push the FX series cards, supports AGP 8x. The intel 865 chipset is rock solid in 98se. For sound I normally stick with Audigy. I don't try to play XP era games on my 98 machines. Oh and as for graphics drivers under win98, Early Nvidia drivers offer better performance while ATi drivers got faster with later versions. That's why many older games run faster on a Geforce2 then a later card like a fx 5200.
You'd get significantly better GPU performance (even under AGP) with a Geforce 6 series. The FX5200 and FX5500 are well known for their *horrendous* performance
@@CursedSilicon you lose game compatibility with GeForce 6k series cards. No table fog support. Try running older games on a GeForce 6 and see what I'm talking about. No fog im thief looks pretty bland.
@@lilkuz2005 Fair. Though I suspect that's something that could be fixed through fan patches or even something like a Glide wrapper. Once you've hit a GF6 or GF7 you've got so much raster performance you can afford a translation layer
@@CursedSilicon the GeForce FX series sucked with dx9, but they ran great with dx8 and bellow which is the versions of dx you want to use in win98 in the first place.
Fastest Windows 98 PC but at what cost
Rough itemized breakdown from eBay etc
Motherboard: $60
RAM: $50
SSD's + Adapters: $100
Case: Free
Power supply: $20
GTX 7800: $80
CPU fan was maybe $15 I think? Add another $20 for some ThermalGrizzly Kryonaut paste
So about $350 all up
(Plus my sanity of course)
What about the $2k you spent on graphics cards?
I've made a similar computer, but with team blue (same 7800GT for the gpu).
My board uses a VIA P4M900 chipset (pretty bad chipset, but it supports w98 for the most part and early core 2 duo !).
I've paired it with a core 2 extreme x6800 at 2.93GHz
The only thing that seems to be unsupported by windows 98 for this chipset is the HDA audio controller. But that's a minor inconvenience. The rest of the chipset works fine (onboard network and even the IGP works !). I've tried to use SATA, and while it's "working", my experience with it has been terrible (OS was super slow and unresponsive despite using an SSD).
Also my chipset is so crappy that even though I've installed 4GB of RAM, it only detects 2.5GB ... Still plenty for Win98, but that's just bad.
I haven't had the time to setup many games on it yet though. One of the games I tried was ... minecraft :D. Release 1.7 is about the last version that works without trying very cursed things with java.
What board are you using? That's quite an impressive setup on its own!
You might be able to fix the SATA issues by forcing DMA to be enabled via the "Unofficial Win98 Service Pack" (install v3.64 then v3.66 due to a bug in 3.66)
The RAM issue should be fixable using Rloew's "highmem" patch as well
@@CursedSilicon I don't quite remember the board I'm currently using (other than being an MSI), but I do remember the board I used before which has exactly the same specs (which I had to swap due to an accident...), it was the Gigabyte GA-VM900M.
I think I tried the unofficial service pack, but I didn't know about that bug, I could try again I guess. As for the RAM, the rloew patch will not change anything, it's already installed to work with that 2.5GB amount, the issue is that it's what the bios detects at most and I believe it's a chipset limitation.
Iirc some chipset controllers back then were limited to 32-bit bus even though the CPU is 64 bits. You don't have this issue on an AMD since the memory controller was already integrated to the CPU, but on 775 that's a thing that matters (also, I've been told that the memory controller on this thing was terrible)
also, you could've use rloew's PATCHMEM when it complains about too much RAM, then you could've used the onboard LAN.
DOS games don't like too much RAM though, so it's better to keep it under 1GB for DOS.
You also could've use a SATA to IDE adapter for the IDE port, then the marvell controller would've been happy.
I didn't discover PATCHMEM until after Rloew's unfortunate passing. Though that did fix the low-mem issue
IDE was already fixed by using Startech SATA to IDE adapters, it was the Marvell SATA controller that is broken in silicon that is the problem unfortunately
There's a Linux Kernel patch regarding it from 2008
lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/2/272
Kinda sorta wanted a X850 XT PE in an overkill 98 machines for a while now, but never pulled the trigger bc really how usable would it be?
Your story of going worldwide collecting EIGHT of them, like a retro Indiana Jones, made me feel like less of a man lol
I do wish I could've gotten one that *worked* consistently. Playing Portal 1 on this machine would've been a delightful "wait WHAT?!" moment for many I think
Wow, what an impressive project! Congratulations! Would you mind posting links to the patches and tweaks you applied to the system?
Sure! The patches I used were
- Rloew's 4GB RAM, NVSIZE and later BIOS low mem patches
- The 98 "unofficial service pack" 3.63, then 3.66 afterwards (3.66 contains an installer bug and can only be run as an update after installing 3.63, it cannot "clean install" for some reason)
- KernelEx for enabling certain games that were 'unhappy' with running on 98 by default such as Star Wars: Empire at War
Cool video! I remember when I went to RE:PC in Seattle when I visited Washington, it was like Disneyland for me lol.
There's plenty of CZcamsrs you fix faulty electronics incouding GPU's. It would be great if you could get one of them to try and fix the 7 broken x850's and video it.
The problem is that in order to fix it the entire GPU *chip* needs to be physically removed, then its solder balls replaced, then the chip needs to be reflowed on to the board
The only youtuber I know who does that kind of work is Louis Rossman. And he specifically refuses to do GPU reballing!
Very cool, man. I left a sub, so I expect more content from you :)
I'm currently in the process of getting the parts for mine. The only differences are that the board I'm using is the M2V-MX SE (since I'm building it inside a Compaq Presario 5000US microATX case) and that the GPU is a 512 MB 7950 GT (since the only 512 MB 7800 GTX I could find on eBay costs $300). Since the M2V-MX SE has a slightly different chipset, will it have the same issues as the regular M2V?
I'm not sure, I have not tried the smaller boards. I don't think a 7950 will work either as if memory serves that's an SLI card, you may end up only getting one GPU running instead of both, resulting in worse performance
You may have a better time getting a GTX 7900
@@CursedSilicon You're thinking of the 7950 GX2. The 7950 GT is just the 7800 GTX with a die shrink and 50 MHz slower memory.
Nice build.
Where did you get your info that the 6800 Ultra was DX 9.0b? It's also a DX 9.0c card as far as I am aware.
6800 Ultra also has shader model 3.0 which the ATi did not have, which made it much more capable in later titles and thus more future proof. For example it will support HDR in Half-Life 2.
To some degree that makes it slightly more worthwhile in my opinon.
He got them backwards. The X850 is dx9b only.
Your video card issue may be an issue with PCIe compatability. I have 2 PCIe x800 XL cards, and a PCIe X800XT that all work fine on 2 different PCIe motherboards that I have been testing for my own 98 retro build. 2 of them work perfectly, while one has a few missing motherboard component drivers.
I was able to replicate the issue with the X850's putting them into much more modern machines (including my Ryzen 5000 series desktop)
From what I've found researching it seems to just be these cards are from the same era as the lead-free solder transition. The same thing that caused the Xbox 360's RRoD and other issues
Omega drivers were amazing back in the day
Omega drivers were the only hope back then........there was a reason why Nvidia cost more back then and it was mostly driver support and reliability
nVidia's drivers back then were just as much of a pile of trash as ATI's drivers. Arguably even worse, at least in my experience. The geforce 7900 card I got back in 2006 didn't receive a single WHQL driver update for Windows XP x64 for over a year, to the point that Steam and some games had started giving me warnings or flat out refused to run at all. So much for nVidia's fabled driver reliability.
With the Radeon X800 and 9800 series cards that I'd used before that, at least there were both official WHQL as well as Omega driver releases available regularly, even for Windows x64. And then there were the marvelous ATI Tray Tools, which were miles more functional and friendly to use than either ATI's or nVidia's control panel interfaces.
After watching this video, I purchased same mother board Asus M2V, paired with same athlonx2 processor. Purchased same MSI GTX 7800 card. installed the same software, patched as mentioned in Video, but Graphic card still not working in Windows 98. System hangs, Colors gobble up. Please help me. Let me know exact settings and sequence of installation, if I may be missing something.
Till now , no reply...
I came to conclusion that, this video is fake and he is just bluffing....
@@mohammedmohsin4311 I actually didn't see the comment notification until someone on my Discord pointed it out.
I'd be happy to give pointers where possible though! Feel free to reach out discord.gg/TnpSG2P677
I have an ASUS M2V too, need to ask work for some more ddr2 for it as it went bad. Had 6800 Ultra too but it died. I'm in electronics recycling so I can buy all crap like this for like £2 lol. See so many old gpus etc.
Consulting the greybeards is not always the best solution for these sorts of things. They will all tell you that things like SATA can never work. You can't have AC97 audio. You can't have PCIe. You can't use USB drives you can't have fast USB. You can't use large hard drives. You can't have more than 256MB of ram. Yatta yatta on and on but if you are willing to put in the legwork researching drivers you can often find edge cases where you can get these things working. Getting all of them working on the same board is going to be a challenge of finding the right board tho.
It took two years but I'm still proud to have put it all together
A smart person realizes that for games from the Windows 98 era you need older drivers. I went with an Nvidia Geforce FX5700 (256mb), DirectX 9.0a, Detonator driver version 56.64, and Nglide version 1.05. I run 2gb of PC3200, 400mhz Kingston memory, with the ram limitation patch found online.This combo allows me to play all my Windows 98 games, all 82 of them in Direct 3D, Open GL, or 3dfx glide. For sound I have a Sound Blaster Audigy pushing sound to my Bose speakers.
A "smart" person would know why the Geforce 5's are terrible cards
Also why the FX500 and FX5700 can play DOS games while a Geforce 6 (or 7) cannot
It's specifically due to the removal of the VESA BIOS Extensions (VBE) in the Geforce 6 and onwards :)
Weird flex otherwise but glad you're having fun!
Interesting, I too always had continually bad experiences with that era ATi Radeon 9*** and X8** cards just like this. It’s actually why I’ve never had Radeon cards since, I just absolutely had enough of them! 😩
SSDs offer no speed boost whatsoever. Just excessive wear and no trim
Can you provide evidence for the former?
Never give up 💪👍
Great video
Why won't age of empires 1 work?
the xbox versions of gta are enhanced, with 3d rims and actual modeled finger (except for san andreas for some reason)
Did you face any problems with 32bit colour depth and or resolutions higher than 640x480, cause i can't change that?
None that I can think of? You may need to try using the Nvidia tray icon to force a higher resolution and color depth after reboot
Also double check under System that it's using the Nvidia driver, sometimes it does not overwrite the original "VGA Device"
Thank's for the info, that sounds like something that could work, i will take a look.@@CursedSilicon
nice proyect i still keep my old 478 intel board but i want to test if a 120gb ssd can be used for install win98 the machine has 8gb old ata hdd but die and i want to take advantage of the 2 sata ports
my 478 board died, im using my 370 board and it still works nicely. capacitors did look quite sad on the 478 board.
i use a Pentium III at 933 MHz, 384 MB SDRAM, nVidia Geforce 2 MX 400, Sound Blaster Live, Windows 98 SE
proud to be like number 420 on this video
But did you subscribe too? Gotta share that love
Adorable profile pic, but you and I know that already.
I personally never got any used x850 to work either....all agp. :(
Nice Project. I still do not see any particular reason trying to run a 2000/XP game in Win98SE, better having a dual boot instead of dealing with patches and stuff. Also you are "loosing" the other CPU Core. Maybe that is not a "Ultimate WinXP" machine too, but it is much more than we had back mid-2000.
An ultimate windows xp machine has a gtx titan x.
What was the name of the second vaporwave song you used in the video?
"Head First" from HOME's album "Falling into Place"
@@CursedSiliconMy bad brother. I mean the track that starts at 1:15. Super rusty on my vaporwave.
@@EasyCheesyChodes I don't actually remember which track that one is. I'm 90% sure it's another HOME track, but the name escapes me unfortunately :(
If you don't mind my asking, where did you move from?
Australia, of all places!
TOO PHOOKEN BLURRY
I built one using 775 and 8gb of ram, and I also made a video explaining how I built.
I will check out your video im interested in lha 775 stuff
@@energygameplay6513 for sure! We can chat from there
Cards from that particular era are notoriously unreliable. Not just ATI cards either, goes for nVidia cards as well. I have a box full of non-functional Radeon 9800/X800/X850 and GeForce 6800/7800/7900 cards that can attest to that, most with similar symptoms as mentioned in the video (either not booting at all or displaying artifacts if they do boot up). Artifacts usually indicate an issue either with one or more memory chips or the GPU itself. Often this was due to cracked bumps or solder joints, from either physical or repeated thermal stresses (materials expanding and contracting as components repeatedly heat up and cool down). This was a time when GPU power consumption and heat output had only just started to increase to non-trivial levels, manufacturers previously didn't have experience designing cards that would reliably tolerate such high repeated thermal stresses. And at around that same time use of lead solder in electronics was being phased out, further complicating matters for manufacturers. This series of issues would ultimately culminate in nVidia's bumpgate fiasco.
That said, I also have several fully functioning cards from those generations in my collection as well, again both ATI and nVidia ones. I'm using a Radeon X800XT in my own overkill Windows 9X machine (but in my case using Windows ME). I'm using a more Windows 9X friendly system in general, though still overkill - Asrock 775i65G R3.0, i865 chipset, Core2-based Pentium E5800 (runs at 3.2 GHz), 1 GB of DDR400 and an AGP Radeon X800XT. So all components with Win9x driver support and no need for any additional patches. The system works great, I haven't had any game compatibility issues. I haven't tried something as new as Portal on it, but games like No One Lives Forever (1 and 2), Need For Speeds Porsche and Underground, Doom 3, Morrowind, Knights of the Old Republic, etc. run just fine. The card even overclocks to basically X850XT PE speeds, but I don't run it at those clocks most of the time, since it's complete overkill and just needlessly stresses the card more than necessary.
I can definitely understand your frustration from receiving so many defective cards (I hope you were at least able to get refunds from ebay, assuming that's where you bought them from). But I don't think your game compatibility issues were down to the card itself. Especially considering many of the parts of your system seem to be barely compatible with each other and/or with Windows 98 and need a bunch of workarounds and unofficial patches to get to work together. I can assure you from my own experience, both recent and from back in ~2005, that far more games than just Portal should run on these Radeons without issues.
probably doesn't help that he's using a really crap motherboard with a VIA chipset those are hit or miss, instead of something that has a like nforce chipset or AMDs own chipset.
and you are right about that gen of GPU's being unreliable it really depended what gpu partner you got if it was going to be a good GPU that will last that and the age of the GPU's now a lot of them need to be recapped by now or the vram chips go bad.
@@SilverX95 The ASUS M2V isn't a *bad* board, though VIA's chipsets were very bare-bones. They supported Win9x up through 2009 when other vendors fell off in the early 2000's
How did you backport the openGL driver?
There were two DLL's I pulled in from the older Nvidia driver, they thankfully "just work"
@@CursedSilicontwo?
@@CursedSilicon Which ones?
@@lasagna_lxiv From memory, the OpenGL DLL and I think one of the control panel ones
But can it run doom?
Regular DOOM? No unfortunately. There's no MS-DOS support in the Geforce 7 graphics cards
DOOM95 or Chocolate Doom? Yeah that'd run fine since they run on top of Windows instead
Any doom
@@marian69529 Doom 3 runs, I did demo that in the video :)
6:01 That sounds like a crap choice of motherboard. Try Asrock.
try resident evil pc version north america
matt needs to watch this, haha
I did @ him on birdsite waaaay back when. Never heard back
Maybe one day!
@@CursedSilicon he'd love this video
Shortly: it can't run Crysis.
So what is all this for???
It CAN run Crysis, actually. But that's for another video!
did you know Realtek made drivers for their PCIe NICs for a little while?
Yea, there are 98 drivers for the RTL8111/8168(B/C/D)
I myself am using a PCIe NIC in my own _super_ overpowered 98 machine
50+ MB/s transfer speeds from my own NAS over SMB, it’s nice.
AMD A6-6400k, NVidia GeForce 6600 + 7950GT (welcome to the dark side my brother), 8GB of RAM, and Audigy 2
I wasn't able to find any that supported Win98. All I can find are RTL 8111's these days. I tried using a PCI to PCI-E adapter but ended up having weird instability issues
For some reason I'm unable to see the full reply you made to my comment (thanks CZcams!)
You might want to come reach out on my Discord. You've got some interesting videos of your own 98 machine as well
@@CursedSilicon yea, I can’t see it either. Weird. Also, I’ll definitely be joining your discord!
So you cant run DOS because of your graphic card?
Correct. The VESA BIOS Extensions (VBE's) needed for DOS games were removed from newer graphics cards
that sucks - by the end of the 2000s ought decade retro computing started really emerging as new hobby category - sure, there were retro computing groups prior then but podcasting and youtube gave it legs that hadn't existed before.
And so there would start to to be revived interest in the old MS-DOS games, etc. Just as the PC industry was severing all manner of backward compatibility to that prior era. So now one has to buy antique hardware to get there on real hardware (vs software emulation running on modern hardware which is not at all as satisfactory an experience)
@@TheSulross A lot of DOS (and now Win9x) gamers switched to DOSbox and its forks because it's such a hassle to maintain physical hardware. I do want to build a DOS machine at some point down the road, but I can understand why they "took the easy route"
@@CursedSilicon yeah, not a gamer but more interested in vintage computers for vintage computers' sake
@@TheSulross I'm of a similar mind. I was born toward the end of the DOS era so I don't have as much affection toward it. It seems like DOSBox's main appeal was for people who wanted to play DOS games though
Focus seems off
I applied a blur effect to it to use as a background without being distracting :)
@@CursedSilicon I enjoyed the video a lot, but the blur effect drove me nuts. So you achieved quite the opposite of what you wanted!
This kid has no idea what he doing. Much of his hardware is NOT compatible with Windows 98 hence all the issues. He's missing half the drivers he needs to run the hardware correctly and on top of that PCI-E graphics card are not fully compatible with Windows 98 despite claims of compatible drivers. This has been known since PCI-E has come out. You can not use ANY motherboard with PCI-E, it must be regular PCI with AGP slot.
My dude I'm 31 years old but a'ight
Beyond that I uh, literally demonstrated (and explained in-depth) every single hardware choice I made
But please go ahead and show us your video about everything I got wrong?
They say of the adult man.
Also, as someone with a PCIe based 98 machine I can tell you, the “claims” of PCIe (it’s PCIe not PCI-E… are you thinking of PCI-X?) graphics card drivers are completely true. They absolutely work, or at least as well as the same drivers on AGP cards.
Fun Fact! PCIe is designed to be entirely backwards compatible with PCI from a software perspective, so there is literally no reason the drivers wouldn’t work (besides being… poorly written late 98 era drivers)
In fact, I have gotten PCIe graphics cards working on Windows _95_
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