The Story Behind Ian's Shrapnel Kaboom
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About 6 years ago, I had an accident at the range. We talked about it at the time, but didn't say what the gun involved was, in order to keep the discussion focused on safety and first aid issues. Well, I think it's been long enough now that there's no reason to keep it obfuscated.
The rifle I was using was a reproduction 1860 Henry in .45 Colt. I loaded the magazine tube about half way to get a few shots on camera for b-roll, and just dropped the follower instead of gently lowering it down onto the top cartridge. When it hit the rounds in the tube, the top two detonated, spraying powder and some brass shrapnel out the open slot in the magazine tube. I got a bunch of powder sparkling up my face, but my shooting glasses protected me from any eye injury. One piece of cartridge case about a centimeter long hit me right about at the top of the sternum, and embedded itself in the flesh. We weren't filming at the moment, so there is no video of this happening.
We had a first aid kit on hand, and knew how to use it. Fortunately, the injury was actually pretty minor, although we didn't know that at the time. I was fully conscious and responsive, and I held pressure on a bandage over the injury while Karl drove us to the nearest hospital.
One hears unpleasant stories about hours-long waits in emergency rooms, but if you walk in with a trail of blood down your chest, someone tends to take a look at you right quick! After an x-ray and a CT scan, they determined that the shrapnel was not in a position to do any real damage, although it would cause more tissue damage to remove than to just leave it alone. So I got a couple stitches, and was sent on my way. It's a small enough piece (and non-ferrous) that no, I don't set off metal detectors. :)
While my experience here is simply a single anecdote, it does bring some significance to the periodic trials reports of tube-magazine detonations in trials or in service. The ammunition that exploded here on me had flush-seated primers, and flat-faced bullets. This was not a pointy bullet lined up with a proud primer. "Not only can malfunctions be stranger than we think, they can be stranger than we can think." (Werner Heisenberg, probably)
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I have a piece of steel embedded in my right first finger. Same deal, it would have caused way more damage to get it out. It healed nicely, no infection, so the doctor said, just leave it be. It does not affect any of the joints. It is a cool magic trick with a magnet.
You have to respect someone who takes full responsibility for their mistakes. 💯
I was hoping that you would have shown what was in the two kits you have. Good video on a very important topic
@@martinlarkins3714 they did that in the first video several years ago. They went through Karl's ankle kit.
Thanks for sharing. Lots of people over the years have told me I'm just being silly about cautioning people in loading a Henry not to let the rounds slam down too hard on top of each other, or to let the spring and tab slam down too fast. Not all that likely to cause a problem, until it does, of course.
I love your muzzleloader and bolt action rifle videos the best :D
WoW.. Didn't think I'd see
Hickok in the Comments!!
Never trust primers, treat them like eggshells. I've seen the aftermath of primer pan explosions on reloading benches, they are tiny bombs once one of them decides to go.
Indeed,front loading henries take caution to load
Love seeing my favorite gun YTers talk gun safety!!
*Gets blown up and takes a chest wound*
“Now this is an interesting data point in firearms history and explains why this gun design fell out of favour”
Never change Ian 😂
I imagine the kaboom of black powder cartridges would have been even more disastrous.
Yeah, he really isn't taking this personally...
I'd be livid, I don't care if it's just a gun, the stupid mechanicsim of this gun left shrapnel in him, permantly.
Instead he recognizes what he did wrong, elaborates on the history behind the mechanicism involved in said firearm, why it fell out of favour, spoilers, it was unsafe to reload as shown by Ian.
Big respect for Ian. I wouldn't be as detatched in my analysis of this situation that affected him, personally.
*Gets blown up and a wound to the chest wound*
"And then I grab my thumb wrapped my shirt around it and shoved it in to stop the bleeding."
*proceeds to make t-shirts*
I like his attitude. I had an accident with a sword falling on me and cutting me. The people around me freaked out to the point that they were utterly useless and I had to care of myself. I walked to a pharmacy and there I got asked what had happened and when I replied that I got cut by a sword, she froze up and didn't know how to react. I had to tell her what to do to get her out of her stupor!
@@Crosshair84 Sometimes, you're actually safer with people leaning into ASPD, at least mild cases. They stay cool and do whatever is necessary and if that's beating up a hysterical woman...
BTW: one woman really impressed me when a stranger to her was throwing a tantrum and she casually walked up to the guy and asked him what's wrong despite him even scaring men. She did all that while having a mildly annoyed look on her face, as if it was a regular occurance...
It goes to show Ian's never-ending nerd positivity that he suffers a shrapnel wound to the chest and every image he's got a thumbs-up and a big shocked grin
Plus he got to experience something he'd only read about in historical documents first hand. Maybe not something he WANTED to experience firsthand, but he did mention that he got to see something rare, so I think he's cool with it.
Just put a thumb in it
@@laurisikio I was just thinking, at least he didn't have to put a thumb in it! 😉
He had just got a sponge bath from Nurse Bertha.
From personal experience, I've had 2 surgeries on the same eye, and before the second one, I was joking and gave the nurse a rules list. She was looking at me horrified, and I asked her if she'd prefer I go cry in the corner and be a jerk instead. I told her "Look I'm NOT looking forward to this but I can either try to joke some or I can bitch, cry and moan instead. Will either change the outcome? No. So as I was saying... (and I reiterated my request list again.)" Her response was "You're nuts, but ok...."
I sat in an ER with blood coming out of my eye. 45 minutes later I drove myself to another hospital. They seen me come through the door didn't even wait for me to tell them what was wrong or ask my name or anything. They were just as jam packed as the other hospital but clearly the difference was in recognition of a serious injury (training was the difference).
Yeah, I was just thinking he just rolled a good triage nurse. When I had a stroke it took an hour to get me in a bed, and another eight hours to even get a diagnosis. The only other time I've been to the ER it was just a scratch, but it was really bloody and the desk nurse was freaking out, I was in and out in about an hour. Who's at the desk when you walk in the door seems to be a surprisingly important factor.
@Brendon Ellis did u drive urself??
If u want to get in asap to the er call an ambulance. You go from the ambulance to ur room. I think sometimes that isn't true but that's like during triage
USA has 3rd world country "healthcare"
@Your fake enthusiasm annoys me That's not always true. My dad was transported via ambulance to our local hospital, and he sat in a wheelchair for an hour before making it to triage, then several hours before making it to a room.
I stuffed a file full of copper shavings into my eye. I would rather break an arm. I knew it would need surgery, so I grabbed the yellow pages and started calling, looking for an on duty eye surgeon. About an hour later, I managed to drive there. He was so happy that he was going to do some real work. They didn't knock me completely out for a 3 hour surgery.
Even if you don't do something stupid, the guy next to you could. True facts.
ask me how i know
@@bettycocker2226 How do you know?
Why I don’t go to the range anymore.
True facts which are factual and true and not at all false
@@improvisedsurvival5967 lol I feel you. If I do go as soon as they open. Get in get out. I never go near the holidays.
I like Ian. He shoots His chest a bit, and He goes 'Ah, interesting data point' and talks about the rifle's mechanism.
kjashdkajdal gotta love'em
Be like Ian
I noticed that you capitalized the pronouns out of respect for Gun Jesus.
Aspergers confirmed
I think TAOFLEDERMAUS made a similarish video about a tube fed gun exploding after being dropped.
"If I had a nickel for every time a gun content creator had a gun explode on them, I'd have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice."
on a serious note, I'm really glad you're okay as we've all seen what this sort of thing is capable of doing.
Some mistakes only happen ONCE! Glad he is around to tell us WHAT NOT TO DO!!!
Just put a thumb in it!
Didn't Othais and Mae blow up the same model of gun twice? As I recall it was mostly contained/controlled by the wood.
With the amount of weird stuff some of the gun channels are doing, it's a miracle this doesn't happen more often. But the 2 times this happened, one was because of ammunition of dubious origin and the other one was ignoring operating manual, so it really shows, that if you follow safety procedures, firearms are rather safe even in unconventional circumstances.
@@88porpoise It was a vetterli vitali M70/87/15. They knew those where explody and clamped it down in a brace before firing.
Former EMS here. What you described was awesome (well not the part about you kind of getting shot in the chest but the response to it). You did your full body assessment, you identified your injury, and treated it effectively. Good stuff. Also, the reason you got seen so quick is because of a protocol called "Trauma Triage." Most traumatic injuries are a priority over other medical issues, and the most important thing to do in that case is to get imaging to see what internal structures are damaged. In your case, the reason it took four hours to get a couple stitches and discharged is because the imaging showed no major injuries to the underlying structure, ergo your trauma triage value went way down. Another good thing to know when you go shooting in your area are your local hospitals, and where your local Level I/Level II trauma centers are, as they are the best equipped for a traumatic injury vs your small town ER. Love your content
"Not breathing" is also a great way to be seen very quickly, as my wife did when she had a substantial asthma attack.
*Heckuva way to lose a testicle. That's what happened to my husband.*
That incident is the reason why I carry a basic IFAK on my bag whenever I go out, even to just commute daily.
Same. Always on my backpack 👍
I keep one in my car and one in my bag! Always nice to have the basic stuff plus a tourniquet or two
There's no real reason that people shouldn't have first aid training. One semester in high school or making it a requirement for having a driver's license and you could have everyone in the country trained up over time.
@@silverjohn6037 Could not agree more.
Ok sped
"Do you know what to do, if there is an accident at a range?" Average viewer: "Stick a thumb in it."
yes. What ever you do do not. I repeat do not remove pressure from the bleeding area. Learned that from basic training.
Just not a Garand Thumb.
keep a couple tampons in your medkit its what they were originally designed for
Must be a Kentucky Ballistics viewer
I was specifically instructed not to use tampons on a puncture wound.
The fibres are not intended for an open wound (it’s intended for a vagina, which to put crudely, is a self cleaning system so loose fibres are not a particular issue)
But if those fibres are pushed deep in to a wound and left behind when the tampon is removed, you’re at extreme risk of infection.
It’s the same reason doctors are so diligent about removing clothing fibres from gunshot wounds and etc. It doesn’t do you a whole lot of good to get a bullet removed, but be taken out by a stray strand of cotton a week later.
Worth mentioning is that in the InRangeTV video regarding this issue, Karl mentioned that he secretyl checked Ian's back for exit wounds, given that they had no idea if the piece of shrapnell was stuck inside Ian or went clean through.
No need to be secretive about it, get in there get it done. If something goes inside you need to check for exit wounds. Small in, big out!!!!. 💂♂️🪖⛑️🏴🇨🇦
Great point. Seeing an exit wound or an odd bump outward would be awful because of the damage caused by the travel of the shrapnel. A clean, unbloody back would be a Godsend in an accident like this. As it was. Do a 360 degree check of an accident victim if possible. Take nothing for granted. Just be very very careful of moving any accident victim to do it. Sometimes, you can't be moving an accident victim over unless you have some skilled help right there with you to help you do it.
The worst range accident I've experienced wasn't too bad but made me feel better about how I respond.
I've got a buddy I've been shooting with for a few years. He's still fairly inexperienced but he's good with all the safety rules. One day he brought a newbie along to teach. I ran him through all the safety rules then figured my buddy was solid enough to babysit while I unpacked the rest of my gear in the car. I heard one shot immediately followed by a scream so without thinking I ripped the IFAK off my gear and came out running.
My buddy forgot to put his earpro on and was startled by the loud noise. No big deal but I was glad to see that I didn't immediately freeze up trying to react to an unknown emergency.
I knew Ian 20 years ago at Purdue, and I can honestly say that he was as intelligent and awesome then as he is now. Miss you buddy, stay safe. -Jay
hope Ian sees this. researcher of guns
I've been curious for a while --- what did Ian study at University?
@@n.u.t.y. pretty sure it was some form of engineering
@@n.u.t.y. I think he's a mechanical engineer
Woah he's a boiler? Boiler up!!
911 dispatcher here. Most ranges in my area are off by themselves and have a longer response time. The "When seconds matter police are minutes away" also applies to medics!
Ayep. You are your own first responder a lot of the time.
"The life you save may be your own" gets thrown around a lot by my family when talking about things like first aid and ssfety.
@@Taolan8472 "The life you save may be your own" specially as you get further from a community.
Though when going away from rapid assistance it is a good idea to never be alone, that buddy could be what keeps you alive.
Been a trqined first aider since i was 12, with advanced first aid training, last time i had to use it was with a kid (about 8) who had been hit by a speeding car. Spent 2 hours holding his foot on, controlling bleeding qnd stabalising the injury before the ambulance arrived.
The first ambulance got 1 street away...just as someone got stabbed right infront of them, so they had to stop to deal with that emergency, and divert a rappid response paramedic to us, as he was on his own i had to help him stabalise the leg and set up the cannula for administration of medicines (that kid was flying before they put him on the helicopter lol)
When the second ambulance arrived the realised they wouldn't be able to get him to the hospital so had to call in an air ambulance.
The annoying part, my sister who lived across the road at the time came over just sticking her nose in all "so what's going on then"... she didn't wait for an answer when she saw the look in my eyes... like dude if you not going to help don't get in the way. At least all the other gawkers had the forethought to keep some distance or at least phone an ambulance and not distract me.
First aid skills are very useful. And it's worth going the extra mile to do training regarxing things such as fractures, spinal injuries, triage and correct moveming of casualties (as sometimes it's not safe to treat an injury where it happens... but moving them is a last resort when you can't remove the danger)
@@jaquigreenlees True, but good luck giving CPR to yourself.
@@andreasu.3546 that's why my comment ended: Though when going away from rapid assistance it is a good idea to never be alone, that buddy could be what keeps you alive..
My wife had a severe allergic reaction to blood pressure meds, she had been taking for years. Long story short, after leaving the local fire department, then driving to "the worst hospital in my state" . She had the best care we had ever seen. When they seen her, the entire emergency department emidiatly sprang into action. They even called for airlift by chopper to a hospital with a specific specialist they didn't have on staff that weekend. "The worst hospital in the state" saved her life. Thank you, Walker regional!
Also to note I was always trained to not remove any foreign objects that may get lodged in your body no matter how tempting it may be or from panic/shock as it can cause more/unseen damage and/or uncontrolled bleeding. If something is sticking out, stabilize it and then leave it alone until a medical professional can evaluate the situation and take the best course of action.
And remember, for the love of God if you took it out don't put it back in. That means you just got stabbed again.
And your training is completely right. I'm an MD, and I still won't remove penetrating objects unless I know for certain what's going on.
Ian is such a gun enthusiast that a small percentage of his body is a bullet cartridge.
lamo this was my first thought and an underrated comment
Sadly it's not .32 French Longue.
@@wdfghjkl not yet it isn't...
Though I doubt that he would let a part of one of those rounds just sit in him
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan😂
Got a chuckle out of me!
Ian, my father set off airport scanners all his life. In 1944, in Holland, he finally paid the physical price for volunteering in 1939. A Focke-Wulf FW-190 fighter bomber dropped an AB 250 full of butterfly bombs. He was in the middle (thankfully) of a group walking across a field. Everyone around him was killed, and he woke up in the UK after a Dakota flight to RAF Wroughton. Two years in hospital afterwards, and even in my lifetime I helped to dig out (as a doctor) bits of shrapnel that were extruding themselves through his skin. There were hundreds of bits in him! Oddly, he bore no ill-will to the pilot, although he had plenty of observations to make about his own superior officers and also the USAAF bombers that seemed to him to specialize in dropping bombs on the British rather than the enemy! We have a collection of his bomb-defusing career souvenirs before north Africa, Sicily and D-Day. He taught me about S-mine fuzes and Crabtree Dischargers while I was still in junior school!
May i ask where the incident in holland happened, or which date it happened?
"USAAF bombers that seemed to him to specialize in dropping bombs on the British" Reminds me of that joke: "When the Canadians arrive, the Germans duck. When the Americans arrive EVERYBODY ducks!" :)
@@caeserromero3013 Turns out there is nothing friendly about friendly fire.
@@yourievers4859 Sounds like Market Garden and / or the aftermath.
Ehh fuck em'
As a retired Paramedic and Trauma RN, a Jump bag is always with me at all times, but especially when we're out shooting. Accidents happen, and usually at the worst time and location.
Very thankful you weren't hurt worse.
Great advertising for the importance of eye pro! I'm glad you weren't severely hurt man.
Ian is a national treasure. Glad he's ok.
Just shows, this kind of thing can happen to even to the best!
Ian is an international treasure!!!
Stop he's like RoboCop that was just for content.🤔🤔
Add him to the library of congress
I stopped a bad accident from happening at my range when I spotted a newbie loading his BP revolver with smokeless powder. I explained to him that he must use BP only and showed him the exploded cylinder on display inside the range house. It was pure luck that I saw and realized what he was doing. What tipped me off was the fine grained smokeless powder spilling out of the nipples onto the loading table.
Dude might have shuffled from his mortal kombat coil if you didn't catch that. You're like a range ninja! A range Sub-Zero if you will, lol.
Black powder or pyrodex
Huh that's pure luck his powder of choice is that fine too, most pistol powder are flake type that won't pass the nipple
I want to praise you, but I suspect you actually robbed the universe of a well-earned Darwin Award recipient.
@@ostiariusalpha to be completely fait if you're not well read on the subject matter they probably just didn't know about the massive pressure difference between smokeless and black powder. Its a dumb ass mistake but not quite Darwin level dumb
You are one of the only people I don't skip through the add portions. You sir, are a gentleman.
A humbling explanation from an expert in firearms . Most people would prefer to hide their errors but here you don’t hoping it will help others not to become overconfident . Thank you .
I remember the original Inrange video and I think Karl put it very well then; You're much more likely to run into a medical emergency than something that you would need to use your gun, so carrying a medkit and train with it is more important than carrying and training with a gun.
just shoot the wound
I am no advocate for Nations having armed people walking the streets, but I have to say, given the USA is FULL of mental-case armed people, a pragmatic person echos that little girl, "Why not BOTH?".
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 Yep, both is the ideal for the USA. Carrying emergency medkits and maybe even a pepper spray can should become commonplace in any other country.
Why choose, though? Train with both.
@@Astraben No, anything at all that you carry with the INTENT of doing harm is a weapon. And people are not allowed to carry weapons here, or in the majority of countries. Humans are too dangerous, the statistically most likely person to harm you with a firearm in the USA is a family member.
I know all your reasons for thinking it is a normal way of existence, but it isn't. The leading cause of death for CHILDREN in the USA is gunshot. Alone among the Developed Nations the USA has a falling life expectancy and that is partially traceable to guns.
We don't need to normalise carrying weapons here. It IS normal human behaviour in the past, why do you want to trap us in the past?.
As a retired Navy Corpsman, I can definitely recommend getting every sort of medical training you can. Red Cross CPR and First Aid, Stop the Bleed, TCCC are all great options. Also, skills get rusty pretty quickly, so keep updating yourself!
As a civilian, I wish there was more options for TCCC training. It's good to know! Sadly, most don't want to pass that info on.
I’m an ICU RN so I stay sharp just by working and all the free training I get from my job. I agree with you everyone should know the basics of first aid and CPR u don’t need to know anything fancy but The sooner a patient gets help no matter how basic or advanced it often leads to better outcomes
Corpsman are badass. Thank you for your service 🇺🇸
Idk your views on the military as a whole, and fuck the system, but goddamn this is necessary, everyone should at the very least practice with their hands on nothing the motions of it. Just keeping yourself ready can save a life regardless of the situation.
I agree, I‘m in the Swiss army and we get training once per year. Also we got a small, compact first aid kit (enough for two pressure bandages), I keep it in my backpack at all times. It‘s bad if you don‘t have it, but need it.
Same reason why spare underpants are in my backpack too, but I‘ve had to use them once. xD
In a similar vein, I had a cheap 22 rimfire blowback gun that was out of tolerance enough that the slide closing was enough force for the extractor to detonate the rimfire primer and fire the gun. First time I noticed this I ended up with a hole in my table while trying to chamber a round. Thankfully the safety rules were in play and no further damage was done. The gun was investigated in a controlled environment and the problem was able to be reproduced, dropping the slide on a chambered round would fire the gun. Additionally, after carefully lowering the slide and loading the magazine, firing the gun would result in full automatic fire until the gun jammed or the magazine emptied. Mostly sharing this as a reminder to always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction when handling.
Ian, I'm glad you are okay. Accidents can and do happen to professionals. You are a professional with integrity and courage to share your mishap so others can learn from your "brain infarcation". After shooting, gunsmithing and teaching gun safety classes for many years I had an negligent discharge last year. By the grace of God there was no injury except to my ego. I was greatly humbled that day as you must have been too. Keep up the great work you do sir. God bless you.
Ian is now one with the gun. He IS the gun!
He has merged with the brass.
FUUUUU-SION. AH !
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology.
Ian is the Gun Devil
@@deknegt no no...he's gun Jesus
I'm a decades old Medic/EMS/Wilderness Medicine professional, Refuge Medical is a solid group and its awesome to see Ian promote them and their trauma kits. Good stuff.
@@notlisted-cl5ls actually its DB cooper, so no, you won't be seeing him.
Hats off to you sir, for admitting a mistake, then using it to advocate for range safety!
These kinds of post-incident discussions are so incredibly valuable to have, and share. Thank you for putting it out. I learned things, and I've shared it with others as well.
This just proves that even when you are highly experienced like you, one simple mistake can be deadly and having first aid skills is a must. I'm glad you weren't hurt badly.
In rock climbing the people that are statistically most likely to get injured are beginners and experts. The latter have done it so many times that they are tempted to become careless. Never become careless, no matter how often something has worked out. It's enough if it doesn't, once
I have deep respect for big name guntubers who make an error and then own up to their mistakes and make a video helping, in part, to prevent others from making the same mistake. A lot of folks have too much ego to even admit they ever made a mistake. But not Ian! It also enforces that no matter what machinery one is habitually using, accidents can and do happen, and usually because someone (often a pro) did something wrong. I think we all need reminders like this to take to heart. And a good first aid course and follow-ups are a great idea for everyone!
Imagine running SLAP rounds in a rifle with a muzzle brake and blaming everything under the sun for the kaboom, except the fact that he was running SLAP rounds in a rifle with a muzzle device.
@@johnpublic6582 Are we talking about a certain mr. Ballistics?
@@johnpublic6582 Not a good take. The brake in no way caused that particular failure.
I'm starting to see a lot of youtube shorts accounts promote irresponsible firearm handling practices, to the point that their followers defend against anyone calling them out.
Ian; I'm just here to say I'm glad you use your individual expertise and experience to teach others. This is proper "regulation". A well shared knowledge base! I hope you and everyone reading this have a WONDERFUL year jammed with new experiences and knowledge!
Ian had the Henry incident. Scott at KB at his 50 explode, and Tim from MAC nearly lost a thumb from a 50 cal's bolt. Glad all of them are safe and have recovered.
Meanwhile, Brandon Herrera casually setting off an IED a meter away from him
The real question is who's next to join the club. Demolition Ranch or Garand Thumb?
@@pladapus8968 I'm thinking a duo injury
Edwin's gonna get slammed by the windshield popping off his grampa's Tesla he brought back from WWI, all while trying to solve the mystery of what will happen to lithium-ion batteries when you shoot an oxygen tank inside an electric car.
Tim’s injury involved his index finger, not thumb. He was disassembling a Barrett M82A1 when the muzzle brake smashed his finger.
The M82A1 is a long recoil semi-automatic, which means the bolt remains locked to the barrel and the entire assembly travels rearward, until the mass completes the journey, at which point they unlock. On the Barrett M82, the barrel/muzzle brake combo weighs about 15lbs, heavier than the bolt assembly.
Can't overstate the importance of medical training and equipment. I was in a pretty devastating car accident last year. Someone was able to grab my kit from my truck and assist me in stopping serious bleeding on my arm. Never thought I'd use the kit on myself, but thank god I had it.
Being a selfish bastard is my primary motivation for always having an IFAK handy.
Better to have and not need than to need and not have.
And sometimes, sticking a thumb in it is not enough, eh?
@@LexYeen Better to have and not need than to need and not have. True Words! many cases ...
Happy you're OK because your content is unique - love all the solid info.
It’s dangerous work bringing us all these firearm videos for our entertainment. Thank you for that, Ian. Glad you’re okay!
That explains why you have firearms so close to your heart... Il let myself out
Don't forget your coat.
@@tanall5959 lol
Badum tsss...
Had to get it off his chest.....leaving with Kirbysaw.... :)
ENCORE!!
As an EMT-B, this is absolutely a superb video and I am definitely appreciative of you taking the time to make it while sharing your own experience. I have a medical bag that I carry with me on longer trips or to events, and a trauma kit/IFAK that I carry with me in the car at all times. There have been many times that I have been first on scene to accidents or been at locations where someone has gotten hurt (though, thank God, not to the extent of your injury) and I've had the tools and training to be able to help until further help arrived. First aid training is a must, IMO, as you never know when you'll need it. Well done, and well said.
My Brother! You put it perfectly. Gentlemen, and ladies, get some basic medical training and learn how to pack a wound, use a Tourniquet, and how to keep pressure on a wound until we can get there and get you out of there. It will save yours or somebody else's life. I always keep my IFAK up to date and carry a small booboo kit as well just for cuts scrapes and anything else that could happen and the IFAK is for serious wounds like a sucking chest wound or a GSW (Gun shot wound).
Never change Ian you've always been a quality presenter and your firearm knowledge is incredible. Love your passion and work mate cheers
I have a Henry in .357 Magnum. Thank You for that wise advice. I will ALWAYS guide that follower down from now on.
7:26 Just like Ian to look so chill after being hit by shrapnel. You're a legend, man.
Not sure if this is the case, but sometimes shock can make someone calmer than you'd expect in such situations. Kind of a 'this has happened, let's go through the motions to get it sorted' kinda thing.
I nearly lost a fingertip to a lathe in high-school and was able to call my dad to say I'd 'been a bit daft and needed to visit the hospital'. It wasn't major injury, didn't even get offered more than a local anaesthetic whilst they stitched it, but as I've had smaller injuries that hurt more, I dare say the adrenaline was running.
@@RJ-wx3fh Adrenaline helps a lot with telling the brain to "deal with this first. Panic about it later"
I love how Ian turned this into an actual learning experience from a historical point of view. You sir are a gem.
Glad you’re OK and thanks for the safety tip on how to load a rifle with a tube.
Thanks Ian. I have been slack lately with eye pro at the range. Its so humid here I sometimes leave them off. Not any more, I have to think about others who rely on me. Thanks for making this video.
That's a sensible attitude. If you have a shooting accident and you were injured more than you would have been if only you had been wearing eye protection, that could well have a bad affect on your ability to feed your family. That damage might well be permanent with a huge effect down the line.
See, this is the kind of stuff that makes this channel more worthy than other firearms channels, instead of just pimping gun brands and trying to sell you something, you're sharing First Aid training, knowledge and experience. Thank you again for all your years of uploading!
Great comment!!! I do agree with you!!!
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Tacticool Girlfriend is another good channel that covers content about safety, first aid, hearing protection, and all the other stuff surrounding guns that doesn't always get covered.
Kentucky Ballistics did something very similar after his accident.
Idk what kind of channels you have been finding, I’ve never found any like that but with CZcams I don’t doubt they are out there.
Reminds me of the "put a thumb in it" incident. Though he took shrapnel to his neck, had to keep his thumb in his neck until he was in the hospital. (you all know who I'm talking about)
yes
"I put a thumb in it" shirt is hilarious
That guy is a hero. That’s how you improvise, adapt, and overcome.
Moron here: who?
We where thinking the same thing lol 😆
Shooting glasses really saved you from a tragic accident. Thanks for sharing. Glad it wasn't worse.
man every time i see a forgotten weapons tube i love ian even more. this is one of my favorite ones so far. he started talking and i started laughing cuz i knew what he had done. i just love this guy.
Since I worked at a military gun range for 4 years, watching millions of rounds go downrange, I also saw a few accidents. Fortunately, kabooms on my watch caused no real damage, but on other shifts, we had incidents, even with fatalities. Kabooms are fairly rare…hang fires, defective ammo, slam fires, delayed duds…etc. Both fatalities I know of, were caused by broken range safety rules. I saw a few close calls too! Therefore I ALWAYS have a trauma kit with me. Always…even when people made fun of me for being a worry wart. Interestingly, the M16 is designed…during an AD to send most of the “energy” out the magwell. This design feature by Stoner, has saved a ton of injuries. (Like the receiver hole drilled into a 98 Mauser) I always taught my students to try to be aware of a round that doesn’t sound or feel right….and this has saved hang fire incidents. Especially with the M14.
Hell yeah I love gun safety.
45 colt and 5.56 are very different rounds. Even though the 5.56 has a much higher pressure you're also pretty much at 100% case capacity and if you put more powder, like enough powder for a kaboom, then it's not going to fully burn.
45 colt fits 30-35 grains BP so if you do load smokeless you have the potential to overcharge by 3-4 times which is definitely in the range of kaboom just from over charging.
Literally every story of an ar blowing up is either a discharge out of battery or a squib and the fact is that both of these scenarios can end with a boom even if your ammo is under charged.
Please, excuse my ignorance but what are the "delayed dud" and "AD"?
I had close call when 7,62x39 was frozen in ground under camp fire. 😬
@@anteshell AD is an accidental discharge, anytime the weapon is fired when firing is unintended and synonymous with negligent discharge (ND) though one implies "accident" and one is user error (this is the basis for Alec Baldwin case).
Delayed dud is not a term I've ever heard but I believe it refers to a "hang fire" when you pull the trigger and the primer is struck but there is a perceptable delay in it going "bang" this can lead to you moving off your intended target striking an unintended target.
A big part of the "measure of a man" is how well he owns his mistakes. Great respect for you, Ian!
While true, I don't think it applies in this case. That was surely faulty ammo that never should have been set off by dropping that follower.
@Sporkmaker5150 as he said, the primer internals are delicate enough that a hard hit set them off. And he didnt follow procedure, which he said. So yes, Ian did own his own mistake.
God bless Ian. Glad you're still with us.
The safety precautions you call out are some of the things our Guard unit did for small-arms qual ranges. You brought back memories of writing up the OpOrd, detailing the route to the nearest two hospitals, safety equipment & medical personnel. I haven't been back to a range since I got out in '15, but I always enjoy your videos.
I can relate when it comes to emergency room folks getting after it quickly when you have some blood going on. I had busted my head open while fixing some fence on a friend's farm. I didn't know at the time that my skull was exposed. The woman looked up, dropped whatever she was doing, and got to work pretty fast.
I crawled into an emergency room once and they got to me in a timely fashion. I had a strangulated hernia. When I got there and they scanned me and saw what was going on they said, You were coming here one way, or another. Which was rather ominous.
Indeed! Had a "hog bite" while working A-10's back in the late 90's, and nothing bleeds like a scalp wound. Although I felt fine, by the time I got the hospital my t-shirt was soaked through to the bottom of my rib cage.
Got seen right away, as soon as the poor volunteer at the entrance regained her composure enough to direct me to the surgery clinic.
I love Ian's calm, clear, and methodical explanations of every topic he covers. And it just goes to show you that even with a comprehensive knowledge of how firearms operate you can still have accidents. I love watching your stories on the channel. Thank you and keep the intel coming.
I am sure everyone would agree that we are all glad you lived to tell the tale and still here to provide worthy and interesting content.
This man turned a nightmare into a learning experience for millions glad your ok keep doing what your doing it's great to learn about all these old weapons
It'd be neat to see you and KentuckyBalistics interview one another on your respective accidents. It's amazing he survived.
Would be cool but the injuries aren't really comparable Ethan could have superglued his chest shot and been fine whereas it's still unbelievable Kentucky survived
@Cory Brown yeah, but knowing what to do after a catastrophic malfunction was critical to KB's survival.
@@JTViper yeah I guess that's a good point
@@corybrown1450 there's always a lesson to be learned lol Sometimes that lesson is "carefully read and follow manufacturer manuals" and other times it's "stick a thumb in it" 😜
It was lucky he had a Fat Thumb to put in that hole.
I'd have bled out with my boney ones.
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So, Ian is 2% .45 Colt. NOW I understand how he absorbs and retains such a huge amount of knowledge.
Glad your still with us Ian!
We always learn from our mistakes, but it is always better to learn from the mistake of others.
Thank you for sharing, it's always better to be cautious. Just last week I had to get knee surgery and everyone else I talked to who went to the hospital to that day for a surgery appointment had one thing in common: they all had an injury caused by pretty mundane accidents. No dramatic out of the ordinary thing, just absolutely mundane every day things gone wrong that could have been prevented by being a bit more care- and mindful.
TCCC is by far the most valuable training I ever got in the military, it's come in handy several times in my life. Thankfully I've never had to use on a gunshot victim or range accident. Glad you're still among us and that your PPE did a good job.
Fully agree. I started bringing my hemorrhage control kit at work due to someone putting their hand where it should have gone into.
@@engrs4wrd2 What was it?
My friend had to TQ somebody's leg at the range once. Guy shot himself holstering. All he got was a NAM even though I'm pretty sure there is a specific award for noncombat life saving lol
@@diapysik I built my own. I carry a pair of tourniquets, pressure dressings, and packing gauze.
I've saved 3 lives because I learned CPR/first aid in Scouts as a kid. I definitely recommend everyone learn to deal with emergency situations. I should take my own advice and get a refresher course too.
Thank you kindly Ian for posting this video, which is a painful reminder about something many of us take for granted: SAFETY FIRST!!.
Sincerely hope you're doing much better, getting complete recovery from this unexpected / painful experience..
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Here in the UK, we have a course called EFAW.
It stands for Emergency First Aid At Work. I'm required to have an EFAW qualification, as part of my employment.
You can also take the course privately, for your own benefit.
The course lasts one day, and costs about £75.
The qualification lasts three years.
thank goodness you survived ian, your work is mammothly important to historical preservation of knowledge.
I taught TC3 (TCCC) at West Point, and hadn't heard that term in a long time! Thank you for advocating for trauma and safety training, it will save lives. I know I've used TC3 to save someone bleeding out from a car accident. Love what you're doing, not just this, but all your Forgotten Weapons content!
Bear's great with the daily briefs. I'm glad you linked up with him, Refuge makes fantastic kits.
Back when I was still in the army, people joked about flak jackets and especially the high collar. Well, we had one incident on the pistol range where the 9mm from the P8 hit the rubber guard at such an angle that it bounced off and hit the instructor in the chest (a recruit did a dumb thing and jerked. So instead of going straight ahead the bullet went sideways, which can happen as pistol ranges in the German army have space for two people side-by-side at the minimum). Nothing happened, because the vest did it's job and after that, nobody complained anymore.
Guys, wear PPE. Wear shooting glasses, helmets and vests, that include collars and plates in the groin area, they are there for a reason.
I’m 44 and grew up shooting from a very young age and never wore eye or ear protection. 12 years or so ago I bought my first 44 mag pistol and after having so much fun shooting a couple boxes threw it, my ears rang for about 3 days! I was really worried that I’d done permanent damage to my ears. So from then on I started wearing ear protection. When Scott from KB had his accident it was a realization that I should be wearing eye protection too. I work in a factory so I have super easy access to both. It’s now just reteaching years of being ignorant that I was being unsafe. A teacher used to say to us practice doesn’t make perfect, it makes permanent. It’s not that I’d always purposefully been unsafe, it’s just that nothing ever happened so I never gave it a thought.
Same. Hell, I used to break open .303 Brit rounds for the cordite then smack the casing with the back of an axe to set the primers off... now I have a near-permanent group of cicadas living rent free in my ears.
Very one thinks their invincible when they are young. And I have the tinitus to prove it.
You still suffer from the ringing?
@@Jon_1996. luckily no. They finally stopped ringing after a few days and it didn’t come back. I have to have a yearly hearing test for work, and they don’t show any hearing loss, so I was lucky. I also started wearing ear protection after that, and sadly I don’t get out to shoot much anymore. Ever since the huge ammo shortage and price gouging several years back, I got out of the habit of shooting a lot and have just never got back into it. I still have plenty of guns and ammo, they mostly just live in my safe now.
I dont want to be mean but man if you shot guns without ear protection all the way to 32 your ears had some permanant damage even before that magnum XD
Great video! I'm glad you were blessed to not be injured more seriously.
I love to see that you’re promoting Refuge Medical!
I have entered ERs twice with what appeared to be massive amounts of blood on my shirt (both only 1 or 2 stitch injuries... really mild actually). The ER skipped me to the front of the line both times. I guess being a bloody mess in the waiting room is not helpful psychologically for other patients. Glad you are OK, Ian!
I had a nearly severed finger but they were letting people go in front of me. I guess i should have just let off of pressure with my other hand and just flung blood all over until they took me in :D
Holy crap. So glad you're OK.
And thank you for all of your shared knowledge over the years.
Glad to see ur ok!❤
Major, major kudos to you for sharing your story! The courage to say "So, I made a mistake you should learn from"-especially to a platform with 2.54M followers- is an example to be commended and followed, for sure.
Glad things weren't more serious!
guess this shows both the importance of shooting glasses and the importance of proper medical training.
And following the recommendations of the manufacturer 😮
Thel' ole buddy ole pal how do ya feel about being left out of Halo Infinite(Disappointment)? Also what IS the proper safety gear on a range when using Plasma weapons anyways? Lol
@@AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter the only saftey advice i can give for plasma is make sure you are behind the gun although as a human you may find that difficult
I absolutely loved the TCCC course. Such a valuable skill set.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad you're ok, pal. I just used one of your videos from 9 years ago to confirm a mauser a gunsmithing client gifted me to confirm it was a Siamese type 45/66. Very cool addition to my collection. I was able to confirm by the info that it was converted. Thank you!
I’ve used my EDC medical kit countless times over the years and have never pulled out any of my guns anywhere except the range. I’m absolutely NOT saying you shouldn’t carry, never leave home without it, but IMO medical kit and knowledge is more important than a firearm.
True, and one can get far with even a basic red ross first aid course; most of us live in cities were professional aid are not far away. So if one can keep someone who have a heart attack in the subway or bash their head on the escalators alive for 15 minutes, much is gained. Even the most basic aid buys time for better aid to arrive.
What? The tool that saves people’s lives saves more lives than the tool for killing? I’m shocked! Carry first aid kits, but please leave your guns at the range, no one feels safer because you carry firearms in public spaces
Made me think of when our pitcher in league softball took a line drive to the throat. Everyone was looking at me because I had the most medical training. I was like, I know what to do if someone is missing a limb or took a 7.62 round. This is a bit outside my wheelhouse because the EMT on our is the one who got hit with the ball.
Nice that you kept the gun as is rather than getting it fixed. Always good to have an example when explaining dangers and what not to do. Glad you're okay.
He also "kept" the cartridge that exploded. Part of it, that is.
Ian is the kind of guy to have a round explode in his face and have his immediate thoughts be “I wish I had that on camera”.
So glad you're ok! Thank you for sharing your story! Everyone makes mistakes, it's just a matter of when and what kind.
Thank you for providing the information and the warning. One can never be too safe or paranoid when loading a firearm. Good thing that you were not injured more severely. Hope that you have a good speedy recovery.
This is a reason why I ALWAYS bring a full trauma kit to the range with me. It is a private range, waiver signed, anyone who gets injured is on their own and it is far out in rural Texas, not the place you want to get injured seriously and not be prepared for it.
Does it have a helo landing pad for a medical helicopter?? Stone cold serious question. Minutes are precious when bleeding. Penetrating wounds into the body cavity are worst for 1st response type action. Knowledge is life.
I consider ian to be a weapon historian professor cuz he knows how to explain the aspects of something in details for everyday viewers to understand
Glad you’re ok!!
Love your videos and glad for the prompt to greater safety. 👍😃
Glad you are okay ❤ love your videos and you have much more work to do here. 🎉Many more cool videos to make
Having to wait in an emergency room is actually a good thing. It means that you're healthy enough to wait. When ER staff get in a hurry, it usually means someone is in danger of dying. If they're taking their time, you're not in too much trouble.
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Most of the time, anyways.
@@stonedzebra420 better than canadas euthanasia
Uh, or triage.
@@stonedzebra420 It's both.
I was worried you had a new incident. I'm glad you are safe and happy that another respected person is preaching to get the right training and gear.
I always wondered how did it happen, thank you for sharing your accident at the range. Glad you recovered.
Glad you're OK. Great advice. This is something that never crossed my mind. I will prepare myself.
Between this and what happened to Kentucky Ballistics, first aid training is essential. Glad you are okay, and thanks for reminding me I'm due for a first aid refresher course.
That inrange video is what motivated me to keep an IFAK in my car. Last week that helped me save a life when I came across a gnarly motorcycle accident. Get as much medical training as you can. Even basic first aid training can keep someone alive until they get more professional help
There needs to be a CZcams video seminar about firearms injuries. Ian had his InRange kaboom, Scott from Kentucky Ballistics had an RN-50 kaboom, One of the Slow Motion groups had an RPG-7 go kaboom when attempting to launch it, and at least two other CZcamsrs have been injured in weapon failures.
im really glad you told us about that and super glad your ok love you man !
Love the fact that the discount code is as simple as Ian! Most channels have elaborate codes, Gun Jesus just uses his first name 😂
youtube be having people like "I love my creator's discount code!" fr
Helps he has a simple first name! Lol!
Gun Jesus fell but has risen again!
He is the Way, the Light, and the Discount Code… 🙏🏻
@@Hamun002 Talk like a normal person instead of speaking in ebonics