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Everyone that thinks all our Anzac did was the 8 month battle at Gallipoli and that's where they stop but we were also in Egypt and the Anzac digger's went on to fight in the western Front in some of the bloodiest battles of the war and in April 6 1917 America join in and the bond between Australia New Zealand and United states was forged
Some of the Australian ANZACs who fought at Gallipoli were from the Australian Light Horse regiments. They were infantrymen, not cavalry, but usually went into battle on horseback before dismounting to fight. At Gallipoli, the terrain meant they had to leave their horses behind. Now some of the surviving Australian Lighthorsemen veterans of Gallipoli went on to fight at the Battle of Beersheba (31 October 1917) in what is present-day Israel. They had a very famous charge against heavily armed Turkish entrenchments. They were trying to take the town of Beersheba, a strategically important place as it was key to Britain taking back the Sinai and secure the Suez Canal. In that battle, the Australians did actually win. This nearly 12-minute clip is from an Australian movie called The Lighthorsemen (1987, and it depict the charge: czcams.com/video/BEv999K5Lr0/video.html This has gone down in history as one of Australia's greatest military successes. I suggest you may find it interesting to look into the Battle of Beersheba. I researched The Battle of Beersheba as part of my work on a horror novellette called Hell Hides. It has not as yet been published.
When a commander tells them to die, it is not to motivate primarily. It is to instil a sense of duty and plight. And it happens more than you might think;"It is not to reason why, it is to do and die.".
Yeah, it was very honest of the commander. He wasn't BSing them. ... In a way, it's similar to Bunker Hill in the American Revolution. The Patriots holding the hill were told "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes." The idea being you're most likely going to die, but this way you'll do the most damage. Others will end up taking up the cause will get motivated by your stand.
Two of my great grandmothers brothers were shot at Gallipoli. Both survived. One was crippled for life the other fought in France and survived the war. Their youngest brother died in France on the Somme. My Great Grandfather was in a battle called Passchendaele where his Battalion had 63% casualties. World War 1 was a meat grinder.
''I am not ordering you to fight, I'm ordering you to die'' is quite motivating this for Turkish army and the nation even today (you should check Turkish War of Independence that was was motive of the war).
Indy's previous channel "the great war" has several special episodes on Battle of Gallipoli if you're interested to learn more. They get into more details of the actual battle.
Prussia and the Ottoman Empire were friends since the reign of Frederick the Great. And in the middle of the 19th century Prussian officers like the later Feldmarschall Moltke helped to reorganize the Ottoman army. Emperor Wilhelm II. visited a lot of parts of the Ottoman Empire and they did major projects like the railroads to Bagdad and Mekka, which were not finished, when war began, together. They even exchanged officers like allies in more modern times do.
Interesting.. I"m gonna assume for the same reason France had a friendship with the Ottomans before that. To counter the Austrians/HRE. Altho in the Prussian case, you also have the emergence of Russia as a major power.
I’m a New Zealander, living in Australia for the last 40 years. I’ve had the Gallipoli stories in my ears since I was a young boy. And I’m learning a lot from your search. Thank you. For the first time, I can see that, if you believe the Turks are a weak, I’ll-trained force, the allied plan seemed pretty good. Just a pity the British commanders were so arrogant they didn’t ask themselves “what if the Turks areNOT a weak, ill-trained force after all?” I am impressed with your eagerness to learn about these things. And what a fantastic way to take all of us along for the ride too. Thank you so much!! Learning is FUN!!
The british also did underestimate the germans at the start of WW1. (or anyone for that matter) As they were the only ones with a "professional" army, they thought no one could equal them.* And all that thinking seems to not have vanished even as they had already been shown that they weren't outfighting the conscript army opposing them in france and belgium. To me, what they did in Gallipoli is somewhat "equal" to what the germans did with operation Barbarossa. (underestmating the opposing side on the basis of a weak performance in some fighting before and not thinking about a "plan B") *A believe that today people of countries without conscription still firmly invest in. Although i can't think of any wars of the last 150 years between equally develloped countries where that actually was the case.
The Turks that fought there had also fought there 2 years previous against the Greeks in the Balkan wars. they were well trained and tested troops. One of my uncle's that fought there was with the 4th brigade which was grouped in with the kiwis. Your fullas don't get enough credit for what they did the first few days in stabalising main line up at quins post and other places.
As a Kiwi whose family paid a heavy price thank you. My Grandfather signed up in 1914 when he was 16, he join with 2 older brothers, a cousin and Uncle, only my Grandfather survived Grandfather survived Gallipoli, after Gallipoli he went to fight on the Somme, Messine, Passchendale and the other blood baths and survived the duration of the War. Out of 4 brothers he was the only one to survive.
There is a song called “And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda” … the Bushwackers version is the one I’ve heard … it tells the story really well, brings me to tears every time … you may enjoy it … Also worth a listen is “Only Nineteen” by Redgum which is about Vietnam… both very moving songs
I think you would find "the Battle of Hamel" 4th July 1918 interesting. It was the first time American troops and Australian troops fought together. The battle was planned and co-ordinated by Australian General Monash who developed an intergrated battle plan which became the template for modern warefare. It is also the last time American forces fought under the command of a non American commander. Monash intensionally chose the 4th of July as the date of the attack because of the American troops taking part. Australian and American troops have fought together ever since in every major conflict to this day.
Fun fact: One of people who is talked about in this video is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He later became the first president of the Republic of Turkey from 1923 till his death in 1938.
The "I order you to die" is Mustafa Kemal basically telling them holding is important and they have to hold to the end with out having to tell them in detail.
Yeah, the meaning was "This is a life or death thing, we have to stop this now, or we might lose Constantinople". Keep in mind that in the 19th and early 20th centuries, nationalism was really popular in the world, and dying for one's country was still seen as a noble ideal, especially among the younger generations, Obviously, this ideal was far more popular in peace time, but by the time WW1 started, there was some enormous peer pressure that had built up among the soldires of all the combatant nations (with the possible exception of Austria-Hungary)
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I saw Sabaton play at Download 2017 Melbourne Aus. It was amazing, the who crowd was singing along, a group broke out singing waltzing matilda after the song, I felt as an Aussy how I imagine Americans feel on the 4th of July, when you set off an entire napoleonic battle's worth of gunpowder fireworks.
Oh! I've never heard this song despite being a casual fan of Sabaton. Mostly because I am huge fan of Nightwish, whose epically talented lead singer Floor Jansen is married to Sabaton's drummer Hannes Van Dahl. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
Hi new subscriber here. I’m an Aussie and started watching at your ANZAC day video. Can I recommend to you to watch and react to an actual ANZAC Day ceremony from ANZAC Cove. I think you’ll like it to see the relationship between the ANZACS and the Turkish now. Kamal Attaturk, mentioned in this video, wrote the mother’s of the slain soldiers killed at Gallipoli.
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Being fair to Churchill (which is difficult, but I find myself doing that too often lately), the First Lord of the Admiralty's job wasn't to micromanage the planning for the infantry landings, and especially not to plan out what said infantry would do after they were deposited "safely" on the ground by the Navy. So, if the landings were unworkable, someone in the staff should have damn well kicked that up the chain of command. But as events transpired, those dumpster fires were handled by an Army staff who were clearly born with bony outcroppings where their brains should have been. The whole thing was started from some wishful assumptions (that may or may not have been influenced by an unflattering perception of the Ottomans), and literally made no attempt to account for a scenario where things didn't work out as planned.
@@craniusdominus8234It was primarily Churchill's idea to attack Gallipoli and he had overall responsibility for supervising the operation - there is no doubt he bears the balance of responsibility for this. This was an unnecessary disaster in the context of an unnecessary war.
World war 1 sides... France was allied with Russia. Germany with Austria. Britain had a friendship agreement with France ( the entente cordial. ) Italy signed up to the German side. The ottoman Turks had been driven out of the Balkans by independence movements. Austria was looking to move in instead. The war started with Austria fighting Serbia in the Balkans Turkey had been wooed by Germany, and joined that team. Italy was in dispute with Austria over borders and swapped sides. Britain was only dragged in when Germany invaded Belgium. France and Britain had plenty of colonies to call on, Germany and Austria very few. Think Bulgaria joined in on the German side too. ( not sure which way the other Balkans states jumped.) US and Japan both joined the allies. One or two of the south American states supported Germany, but I don't think they supplied much material assistance. Hope that helps a bit.
Greece joined the Allies fairly early on (1914), Altho its king actually preferred the Central Powers. Romania took their sweet time then joined the Allies, about mid-war. (1916)... Albania blew up into tribal anarchy so sort of neutral sorta not I guess, not sure lol.
2:42 Well compared to the German military the ottoman army was second rate and more of a nuisance but that does not mean the ottomans were just gonna slack off and chill when the enemy landed near their capital of all places.
You're right, the other video on Gallipoli was disticntly average. It did a poor job of explaining the historical and geopolitical context. It played the emotional angle instead of focusing on the actual history. And it spent like half its runtime trying to artificially tie Gallipoli in with D-Day in a sort of Churchill's redemption story. That last part in not only plain lazy but it's also bad history. More precisely. it's selective history, which is what makes it bad history. Also, don't beat yourself up about what you didn't learn in school. I'm sure everyone in the comments here learned most of their history on their own, outside of school. And usually at an age when school wasn't a problem anymore.. Because you're right, there really is a limit to how much information you can pack into a history class, and so the curriculums usually consist of only the most basic outlines of events.
YUP! It's sad that most of the population grew up watching those kinds of "History" shows on TV... It plays some role in learning, but overall they do a poor job.
It sure can be intimidating, that's understandable. All the details are not ... usually the most important though. Getting to grasp and understand the general key points and understanding the overview, that's the crucial step. After that it's just filling in more and more gaps (that you rarely know are there to begin with). It's kind of like how you learn a sport, first learning the general rules and most common tactics, and afterward you discover that there's always so much more depth to everything you already knew.
As a New Zealander, Gallipoli has always been ingrained into my mind and heart. The ANZACS will never be forgotten. Also, if anyone can present a history on WW1 or WW2, it is Indy himself :)
You had me until they said they would have done this different comparing WW1 to today is unrealistic as an Aussie I learnt about this In school 55 years ago and it saddens me to know that nothing was learnt from it.
You should check out their Night Witches song aswell about some badass Soviet women during WW2. The Animated Story Video is great as it has both the story and the music in the same video. The problem with school and history is that most kids arent interested at all in history and therefore isnt learning as much as they should. I mean, i couldnt care less about history when i was a kid whereas now it is really interesting to read/watch clips about history both really old history and more close to the present day.
I second that suggestion - The Night Witches and No Bullets Fly: The story of Franz Stigler, a German pilot who risked his life in three different ways when he was ordered to chase and shoot down an American B17 bomber, piloted by 2nd Lt. Charlie Brown, returning from a successful air raid. When he came close enough he realised that the bomber had been severely damaged by anti aircraft fire during the raid and then he decided to escort it out of harms way instead of shooting it down. In doing this he risked both being court martialed, which most likely would have led to execution, and being shot down by the gunners of the B17 as well as being targeted by friendly anti aircraft fire.
Thought you might be interested, the ANZAC forces also had Australian Aboriginal soldiers in their ranks even though they weren't seen as equals and given actual Australian citizenship till 1967. Each year the Aboriginal communities hold their own ANZAC memorials on ANZAC Day.
G'day SoGal and Roger (I would say Bruce, but missing slouch hat?). Before WW2 was Spain. Before WW1 was Balkan Wars, which were the seed for the start of it. British top brass at start of war were from ruling class. At end of war there were better generals and tactics some of the best from the Commonwealth, with new outlook. Ottomans had already learned from losing in Balkan Wars. British had learned from Boer War in 1914 France, but mass army warfare was still new to them and the Ottomans taught them a lesson, as previous video suggested. The British Empire did actually learn from all this, but it is little comfort to those who paid the price as in any war.
As a Brit, this battle is close to the national memory of my country, along with the Australians, New Zealanders and other countries who fought there. Lest we forget
Well, I'm won't say that Churchill is blameless. But the planning aspects of the operation were way below his pay grade, and were handled by a ton of other staff people who really screwed the pooch. Those people were supposed to evalulate the practicality of the 1SLs plan and *tell him* if he was being unrealistic.
If you want to know more about New Zealand do a reaction to the New Zealand wars .Its about the war between the indigenous New Zealand people and The British Empire which includes Scotland, Wales, Ireland, India and Australia or part of the British Empire.The last shots fired in that war was 1916.the first shots started in 1843.
The Ottoman Empire was neutral at the beginning of the war, until Winston Churchill kept 3 battleships that the Turks had paid for, and the money for them as well, which gave the Austro Hungarian empire and Germany the opportunity to provide the battleships, and make an ally. This is all so the British could take advantage of a weakened Ottoman Empire and take Palestine. History is heavily abridged by the victors.
It's motivating to hear you are ordered to die because once you accept you are already dead you are liberated to act. Not to mention disobeying would get you shot also but without honor. The additional information shows your death will not be pointless. You are being shown a path to honor and victory and another to dishonor, loss and shame. That contrast is motivation. A similar thing occurs when men accept they are (at an individual level) the disposable arm of the species unless they make themselves otherwise. I would also add that having this to be voluntary helps because you have conscious intent rather than attempts to avoid tasks for self preservation costing everyones lives. You may think those that are selfish would survive but they lose as a team given time. Thus we evolved the ability for volunteery self sacrifice through time. Womens seems to be more concentrated first on themselves but that then translates to their child. Makes sense as men can have 100 babies in a year while a woman could not. You needn't evolve to care for 100 when you never have 100 to protect. This is generalized information of course. Plenty of women out there sacrifice their lives for society and I do not mean to suggest there aren't. Just an evolutionary psychological hypothesis for the distributions
I'm sure Napoléon said a lot of things, but one such remark is particularly famous. It was uttered by one of his Generals, namely Maison, who told his division on the morning of Leipzig (The Battle of the Nations) that they must win that day or all be killed. As you know, Napoléon lost that battle.
We were enemies in 1915, but we Turkish soldiers and ANZAC soldiers still lie in the same place, life is strange, the hostility is over. As a Turkish and Muslim, I went to the ANZAC graves and prayed for mercy for those who died during my visit to Çanakkale. I was a soldier in 2007, I fought the pkk terrorist organization on the southeastern borders of Turkey. The dead bodies of our dead soldiers and terrorist carcasses were the same. While we are alive we are all different nationalities but when we are dead we will all be the same. Then my question is: why this hostility? Why did we turn the world into hell, wanting to gain heaven when we die?
Ironically the longer you study history the more there is to learn. Life long learning, a bit of a corny phrase but true. And a lot was learned by the mess that was Gallipoli
In your own time, you should watch The Water Diviner. While it is fictional, it was inspired by a letter from the father of an ANZAC soldier, looking for his son's missing body. The two main Turkish actors in the film commended Russel Crowe and the film's writers/creators for honouring/respecting and showing the Turkish side of the Gallipoli campaign. They were allowed to film INSIDE the Blue Mosque, something no one has ever had permission to do before, and the film also shows the camaraderie and respect the Australian and Turkish armies developed as they both worked together looking for and identifying their dead on the beaches of Gallipoli and the surrounding trenches after the war.
Have you seen Lawrence Of Arabia. At its simplest it is about the English fighting the Turks in Africa during the 1st world war, although it is about a whole lot more than that.
To be honest how much of history is truth though for example when we're teached U S history particularly WW2 the textbooks paint the Polish as basically being weak constantly relying on other's help but when you research Polish history you learn that Poland is actually one hell of a scrappy badass punishing the nazi oppressors for every day they occupied them. Also this video reminds of Metallica Disposable Heroes where the theme is the higher ups view their troops as expendable no matter how famous you are or hell you're human to them you're just pawns meant to be sacrificed
If you want to have a greater understanding for your personal education research what Regiments fought at where ever your interested in and look up whether you can read their war diaries online, many British Regiments diaries are available, the information is written at the time or within a few days and gives the best indication of what things were like.
Hi, You asked what the Victoria Cross is, it is the highest Military medal for valour in Commonwealth Countries. Equivalent to the American Congregational Medal of Honour.
Not really related to the video, but after the comment about troops expected to die. I recently watched a video by 'The History Guy' (the same guy with the Slope Hat) about the history behind 'Woman & Children First', The story of HMS Birkenhead. A troop ship, sinking after striking rocks off the coast of South Africa. The women & children were placed in a small boat. The troops were lined up on deck when orders to abandon ship were given. Seeing that they could swamp the boat with the women & children an officer shouted 'I ask you to stand fast' and the troops stayed on the ship until she sank. Fascinating story. czcams.com/video/TYW49K5nQFA/video.html
Got to say SOGAL I was expecting you to do a live stream for the Ukraine v England football yesterday 🏴🏴🏴but no problem. Gallipoli was a disaster and a certain W S Churchill does not come good out of it.
If this had succeeded Turkey would have fallen and a supply route to Russis would have been opened. This might have have shortened the war and prevented the 1917 Russian revolution making the history of the 20th century very different.
As an Aussie I pretty confident in saying we as a nation do not hate the Turks the Germans or the ottoman of the time but we do hate the British high command and their officer's for their ineptitude in this campaign
Hi there if you want a look at some real horsemen from ww1 have look at the aussie light horse attack on beershebs.last of the great horse charges under cannon fire and also gun fire.worth a look.
did you know a one point in world war one the Austrian solders went on strike..... how aussie is that. their problem was they were under command of British generals who where most happy to use them as cannon fodder. so they went on strike till they got Australian leadership. or so the story goes....... may be you could look into that, dont get many strikes in army's.
Im making this comment as im watching the reaction, the reason why u dont learn this in history in many countries is cous of the failiar of this particular battle, and also how they used second rate soldiers from the collonies, i am not saying that the Anzac or the ghurcas or african soldiers were inferior, just that the countries using them thought so. Both British and French in my oppinion sacrificed many thousands of soildiers in a battle they didnt really believed in, wich to me is horrible and propably why they both are in the list of Evil countries that has made autratious things. If people have problems with my statement and think im an asshole, just look it up this is not my idea.
You mispronounced his name badly after he just said his own name :( i Know there's a lot of spanish/mexican names starting "joa", but swedes would not understand what name you were just trying to say
You can't understand WW2 without WW1. And you can't understand WW1 without 19th Century European diplomacy, colonialism and revolutions. And you can't understand that without Napoleon. Hang in there, it will all click soon.
A quote you may not know by the Turkish leadership A moving tribute to the Anzacs killed at Gallipoli is often attributed to Atatürk in 1934: Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well. This inscription appears on the Kemal Atatürk Memorial, Anzac Parade, Canberra. www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/ataturk
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Everyone that thinks all our Anzac did was the 8 month battle at Gallipoli and that's where they stop but we were also in Egypt and the Anzac digger's went on to fight in the western Front in some of the bloodiest battles of the war and in April 6 1917 America join in and the bond between Australia New Zealand and United states was forged
Some of the Australian ANZACs who fought at Gallipoli were from the Australian Light Horse regiments. They were infantrymen, not cavalry, but usually went into battle on horseback before dismounting to fight.
At Gallipoli, the terrain meant they had to leave their horses behind.
Now some of the surviving Australian Lighthorsemen veterans of Gallipoli went on to fight at the Battle of Beersheba (31 October 1917) in what is present-day Israel.
They had a very famous charge against heavily armed Turkish entrenchments. They were trying to take the town of Beersheba, a strategically important place as it was key to Britain taking back the Sinai and secure the Suez Canal. In that battle, the Australians did actually win.
This nearly 12-minute clip is from an Australian movie called The Lighthorsemen (1987, and it depict the charge: czcams.com/video/BEv999K5Lr0/video.html
This has gone down in history as one of Australia's greatest military successes.
I suggest you may find it interesting to look into the Battle of Beersheba.
I researched The Battle of Beersheba as part of my work on a horror novellette called Hell Hides. It has not as yet been published.
When a commander tells them to die, it is not to motivate primarily. It is to instil a sense of duty and plight. And it happens more than you might think;"It is not to reason why, it is to do and die.".
Yeah, it was very honest of the commander. He wasn't BSing them. ... In a way, it's similar to Bunker Hill in the American Revolution. The Patriots holding the hill were told "Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes." The idea being you're most likely going to die, but this way you'll do the most damage. Others will end up taking up the cause will get motivated by your stand.
The Turkish soldiers did it with love and everyone would have voluntarily sacrificed themselves in battle for their fatherland!
Two of my great grandmothers brothers were shot at Gallipoli. Both survived. One was crippled for life the other fought in France and survived the war. Their youngest brother died in France on the Somme. My Great Grandfather was in a battle called Passchendaele where his Battalion had 63% casualties. World War 1 was a meat grinder.
''I am not ordering you to fight, I'm ordering you to die'' is quite motivating this for Turkish army and the nation even today (you should check Turkish War of Independence that was was motive of the war).
Indy's previous channel "the great war" has several special episodes on Battle of Gallipoli if you're interested to learn more. They get into more details of the actual battle.
YES! this is a great idea, the Great War channel is pretty good
I love how there continuing past the war
Honestly I think Indy's videos are some of the best history videos on CZcams
Prussia and the Ottoman Empire were friends since the reign of Frederick the Great. And in the middle of the 19th century Prussian officers like the later Feldmarschall Moltke helped to reorganize the Ottoman army. Emperor Wilhelm II. visited a lot of parts of the Ottoman Empire and they did major projects like the railroads to Bagdad and Mekka, which were not finished, when war began, together. They even exchanged officers like allies in more modern times do.
Interesting.. I"m gonna assume for the same reason France had a friendship with the Ottomans before that. To counter the Austrians/HRE. Altho in the Prussian case, you also have the emergence of Russia as a major power.
Frederick even said, he would build mosques, when they wanted to settle in Prussia. And yes, it was a way to deal with Austria and Russia.
I recognise the narrator Indy Neidell. He did several videos from the tank museum at Bovingdon in Dorset. They were good. He knows his stuff.
Got to react to the Gurkas! Absolutely awesome Lads!🤗
I love watching and learning history with you, you are not afraid to ask questions, and really seem interested in the subjects you choose.
never ever be afraid to ask questions...
I’m a New Zealander, living in Australia for the last 40 years. I’ve had the Gallipoli stories in my ears since I was a young boy. And I’m learning a lot from your search. Thank you. For the first time, I can see that, if you believe the Turks are a weak, I’ll-trained force, the allied plan seemed pretty good. Just a pity the British commanders were so arrogant they didn’t ask themselves “what if the Turks areNOT a weak, ill-trained force after all?” I am impressed with your eagerness to learn about these things. And what a fantastic way to take all of us along for the ride too. Thank you so much!! Learning is FUN!!
The british also did underestimate the germans at the start of WW1. (or anyone for that matter) As they were the only ones with a "professional" army, they thought no one could equal them.* And all that thinking seems to not have vanished even as they had already been shown that they weren't outfighting the conscript army opposing them in france and belgium.
To me, what they did in Gallipoli is somewhat "equal" to what the germans did with operation Barbarossa.
(underestmating the opposing side on the basis of a weak performance in some fighting before and not thinking about a "plan B")
*A believe that today people of countries without conscription still firmly invest in. Although i can't think of any wars of the last 150 years between equally develloped countries where that actually was the case.
The Turks that fought there had also fought there 2 years previous against the Greeks in the Balkan wars. they were well trained and tested troops. One of my uncle's that fought there was with the 4th brigade which was grouped in with the kiwis. Your fullas don't get enough credit for what they did the first few days in stabalising main line up at quins post and other places.
As an Englishman, we must never forget the sacrifice the anzacs made... this is why they are our true family!!
And the British Indian army as well...
I agree, so many people died including someone from my family and their sacrifice shouldn't be forgotten
As a Kiwi whose family paid a heavy price thank you. My Grandfather signed up in 1914 when he was 16, he join with 2 older brothers, a cousin and Uncle, only my Grandfather survived Grandfather survived Gallipoli, after Gallipoli he went to fight on the Somme, Messine, Passchendale and the other blood baths and survived the duration of the War. Out of 4 brothers he was the only one to survive.
There is a song called “And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda” … the Bushwackers version is the one I’ve heard … it tells the story really well, brings me to tears every time … you may enjoy it … Also worth a listen is “Only Nineteen” by Redgum which is about Vietnam… both very moving songs
In the first World War the British army was often described as lions led by donkeys.
An awful lot of British generals were killed in the first world war.
My favorite description was when Bismark asked what he would do if they landed said he would have them arrested
@@chrisallum9044 by the police lmao
I think you would find "the Battle of Hamel" 4th July 1918 interesting. It was the first time American troops and Australian troops fought together. The battle was planned and co-ordinated by Australian General Monash who developed an intergrated battle plan which became the template for modern warefare. It is also the last time American forces fought under the command of a non American commander. Monash intensionally chose the 4th of July as the date of the attack because of the American troops taking part. Australian and American troops have fought together ever since in every major conflict to this day.
Fun fact: One of people who is talked about in this video is Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He later became the first president of the Republic of Turkey from 1923 till his death in 1938.
The greatest leader of all time. And now look Erdogan in Turkey...
That's why most of the Atatürk supporters hate Erdogan and the Akp
yeah that's one of the great things about sabaton history and sabaton themselves they highlight both sides
Learning about WW2 without learning about WW1 is like only watching the second movie in a two part movie.
The "I order you to die" is Mustafa Kemal basically telling them holding is important and they have to hold to the end with out having to tell them in detail.
Yeah, the meaning was "This is a life or death thing, we have to stop this now, or we might lose Constantinople".
Keep in mind that in the 19th and early 20th centuries, nationalism was really popular in the world, and dying for one's country was still seen as a noble ideal, especially among the younger generations,
Obviously, this ideal was far more popular in peace time, but by the time WW1 started, there was some enormous peer pressure that had built up among the soldires of all the combatant nations (with the possible exception of Austria-Hungary)
Hi, I hope you’ll catch my comment.
I’m not the average ‘Brit’ you could say. I live a rather lonely and sad life here. I have no real friends and some days I feel I lose the will to live each day.
Watching your videos, feels like spending time with a friend. I don’t know you, but you seem a fairly balanced individual and I love your dog.
Just please know, your video has great value to people for different reasons. People like me resort to CZcams to watch imaginary friends we would never have here. That’s how I regard you. As an imaginary friend..
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Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for such a lovely comment. It makes me happy to hear that I have some impact on other's lives, no matter how small. That's not something I ever expected when I started my channel. The good news is I'm not imaginary, and we can be real friends even if it's just over the internets :) So glad we can hang together, and I hope things get better for you in the future. Take care.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
I saw Sabaton play at Download 2017 Melbourne Aus. It was amazing, the who crowd was singing along, a group broke out singing waltzing matilda after the song, I felt as an Aussy how I imagine Americans feel on the 4th of July, when you set off an entire napoleonic battle's worth of gunpowder fireworks.
Oh! I've never heard this song despite being a casual fan of Sabaton. Mostly because I am huge fan of Nightwish, whose epically talented lead singer Floor Jansen is married to Sabaton's drummer Hannes Van Dahl. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
Hi, I'm enjoying your channel. Look at Lone Pine for an Australian battle and Chunuk Bair for Kiwi's. Both pivotal for the ANZACs at Gallipoli.
Hi new subscriber here. I’m an Aussie and started watching at your ANZAC day video. Can I recommend to you to watch and react to an actual ANZAC Day ceremony from ANZAC Cove. I think you’ll like it to see the relationship between the ANZACS and the Turkish now. Kamal Attaturk, mentioned in this video, wrote the mother’s of the slain soldiers killed at Gallipoli.
Hi SoGal
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It was a bloody mess, Churchill was blamed for some of the failings. Took to the second war to restore his reputation.
Being fair to Churchill (which is difficult, but I find myself doing that too often lately), the First Lord of the Admiralty's job wasn't to micromanage the planning for the infantry landings, and especially not to plan out what said infantry would do after they were deposited "safely" on the ground by the Navy. So, if the landings were unworkable, someone in the staff should have damn well kicked that up the chain of command.
But as events transpired, those dumpster fires were handled by an Army staff who were clearly born with bony outcroppings where their brains should have been. The whole thing was started from some wishful assumptions (that may or may not have been influenced by an unflattering perception of the Ottomans), and literally made no attempt to account for a scenario where things didn't work out as planned.
@@craniusdominus8234It was primarily Churchill's idea to attack Gallipoli and he had overall responsibility for supervising the operation - there is no doubt he bears the balance of responsibility for this. This was an unnecessary disaster in the context of an unnecessary war.
World war 1 sides...
France was allied with Russia.
Germany with Austria.
Britain had a friendship agreement with France ( the entente cordial. )
Italy signed up to the German side.
The ottoman Turks had been driven out of the Balkans by independence movements. Austria was looking to move in instead.
The war started with Austria fighting Serbia in the Balkans Turkey had been wooed by Germany, and joined that team.
Italy was in dispute with Austria over borders and swapped sides.
Britain was only dragged in when Germany invaded Belgium.
France and Britain had plenty of colonies to call on, Germany and Austria very few.
Think Bulgaria joined in on the German side too. ( not sure which way the other Balkans states jumped.)
US and Japan both joined the allies. One or two of the south American states supported Germany, but I don't think they supplied much material assistance.
Hope that helps a bit.
Europe at the outbreak of WW1 was simply a mess of bilateral treaties.
Greece joined the Allies fairly early on (1914), Altho its king actually preferred the Central Powers. Romania took their sweet time then joined the Allies, about mid-war. (1916)... Albania blew up into tribal anarchy so sort of neutral sorta not I guess, not sure lol.
Id do higly recommend the epic history series on ww1. You'll know lot more about ww1 after it
Mustafa Kemal became after the fall of the Ottoman Empire Mustafa Kemal Atatürk the founder father of the modern Republic of Turkey.
Joakim said in an interview that He and Pars are "History Nerds".
Mel Gibson was in a film called Gallipoli
2:42 Well compared to the German military the ottoman army was second rate and more of a nuisance but that does not mean the ottomans were just gonna slack off and chill when the enemy landed near their capital of all places.
You're right, the other video on Gallipoli was disticntly average.
It did a poor job of explaining the historical and geopolitical context. It played the emotional angle instead of focusing on the actual history. And it spent like half its runtime trying to artificially tie Gallipoli in with D-Day in a sort of Churchill's redemption story. That last part in not only plain lazy but it's also bad history. More precisely. it's selective history, which is what makes it bad history.
Also, don't beat yourself up about what you didn't learn in school. I'm sure everyone in the comments here learned most of their history on their own, outside of school. And usually at an age when school wasn't a problem anymore.. Because you're right, there really is a limit to how much information you can pack into a history class, and so the curriculums usually consist of only the most basic outlines of events.
YUP! It's sad that most of the population grew up watching those kinds of "History" shows on TV... It plays some role in learning, but overall they do a poor job.
14:30 I think you are referring to the young guard making a sacrificial rear guard in the Russian campaign
no i think she means general maison's adress to his troops at the battle of leipzig
It sure can be intimidating, that's understandable. All the details are not ... usually the most important though. Getting to grasp and understand the general key points and understanding the overview, that's the crucial step. After that it's just filling in more and more gaps (that you rarely know are there to begin with). It's kind of like how you learn a sport, first learning the general rules and most common tactics, and afterward you discover that there's always so much more depth to everything you already knew.
As a New Zealander, Gallipoli has always been ingrained into my mind and heart. The ANZACS will never be forgotten.
Also, if anyone can present a history on WW1 or WW2, it is Indy himself :)
You had me until they said they would have done this different comparing WW1 to today is unrealistic as an Aussie I learnt about this In school 55 years ago and it saddens me to know that nothing was learnt from it.
Hey SoGal - happy 4th July, I understand Americans have a bit of a shindig on this day, for some reason.
You should check out their Night Witches song aswell about some badass Soviet women during WW2. The Animated Story Video is great as it has both the story and the music in the same video. The problem with school and history is that most kids arent interested at all in history and therefore isnt learning as much as they should. I mean, i couldnt care less about history when i was a kid whereas now it is really interesting to read/watch clips about history both really old history and more close to the present day.
I second that suggestion - The Night Witches
and No Bullets Fly: The story of Franz Stigler, a German pilot who risked his life in three different ways when he was ordered to chase and shoot down an American B17 bomber, piloted by 2nd Lt. Charlie Brown, returning from a successful air raid. When he came close enough he realised that the bomber had been severely damaged by anti aircraft fire during the raid and then he decided to escort it out of harms way instead of shooting it down. In doing this he risked both being court martialed, which most likely would have led to execution, and being shot down by the gunners of the B17 as well as being targeted by friendly anti aircraft fire.
You have to check out the Armchair Historian, they did a video on the history of WW1 in Africa 💜 Absolutely loving the videos
Thought you might be interested, the ANZAC forces also had Australian Aboriginal soldiers in their ranks even though they weren't seen as equals and given actual Australian citizenship till 1967. Each year the Aboriginal communities hold their own ANZAC memorials on ANZAC Day.
G'day SoGal and Roger (I would say Bruce, but missing slouch hat?).
Before WW2 was Spain. Before WW1 was Balkan Wars, which were the seed for the start of it.
British top brass at start of war were from ruling class. At end of war there were better generals and tactics some of the best from the Commonwealth, with new outlook.
Ottomans had already learned from losing in Balkan Wars.
British had learned from Boer War in 1914 France, but mass army warfare was still new to them and the Ottomans taught them a lesson, as previous video suggested.
The British Empire did actually learn from all this, but it is little comfort to those who paid the price as in any war.
As a Brit, this battle is close to the national memory of my country, along with the Australians, New Zealanders and other countries who fought there. Lest we forget
Austria-Hungary was also on the German and Ottoman side !
No mention in this that the nval operation of steaming through to the Bosfeeous was Churchilla plne who though 1st SeaLord had nevwr comanded ship.
Well, I'm won't say that Churchill is blameless. But the planning aspects of the operation were way below his pay grade, and were handled by a ton of other staff people who really screwed the pooch. Those people were supposed to evalulate the practicality of the 1SLs plan and *tell him* if he was being unrealistic.
as a teenager we know everything then we find out what we don't know.
If you want to know more about New Zealand do a reaction to the New Zealand wars .Its about the war between the indigenous New Zealand people and The British Empire which includes Scotland, Wales, Ireland, India and Australia or part of the British Empire.The last shots fired in that war was 1916.the first shots started in 1843.
The Ottoman Empire was neutral at the beginning of the war, until Winston Churchill kept 3 battleships that the Turks had paid for, and the money for them as well, which gave the Austro Hungarian empire and Germany the opportunity to provide the battleships, and make an ally. This is all so the British could take advantage of a weakened Ottoman Empire and take Palestine. History is heavily abridged by the victors.
Sabaton's drummer is married to Floor Jansen, the singer from the band Nightwish.
Churchill buggered it up. Pointless war
Greatest sacrifice by Australians and New Zealanders in our histories......a day of solemn pride here, coming up on 25th April.
It's motivating to hear you are ordered to die because once you accept you are already dead you are liberated to act. Not to mention disobeying would get you shot also but without honor. The additional information shows your death will not be pointless.
You are being shown a path to honor and victory and another to dishonor, loss and shame. That contrast is motivation.
A similar thing occurs when men accept they are (at an individual level) the disposable arm of the species unless they make themselves otherwise. I would also add that having this to be voluntary helps because you have conscious intent rather than attempts to avoid tasks for self preservation costing everyones lives. You may think those that are selfish would survive but they lose as a team given time. Thus we evolved the ability for volunteery self sacrifice through time. Womens seems to be more concentrated first on themselves but that then translates to their child. Makes sense as men can have 100 babies in a year while a woman could not. You needn't evolve to care for 100 when you never have 100 to protect.
This is generalized information of course. Plenty of women out there sacrifice their lives for society and I do not mean to suggest there aren't. Just an evolutionary psychological hypothesis for the distributions
I'm sure Napoléon said a lot of things, but one such remark is particularly famous. It was uttered by one of his Generals, namely Maison, who told his division on the morning of Leipzig (The Battle of the Nations) that they must win that day or all be killed. As you know, Napoléon lost that battle.
We were enemies in 1915, but we Turkish soldiers and ANZAC soldiers still lie in the same place, life is strange, the hostility is over. As a Turkish and Muslim, I went to the ANZAC graves and prayed for mercy for those who died during my visit to Çanakkale. I was a soldier in 2007, I fought the pkk terrorist organization on the southeastern borders of Turkey. The dead bodies of our dead soldiers and terrorist carcasses were the same. While we are alive we are all different nationalities but when we are dead we will all be the same. Then my question is: why this hostility? Why did we turn the world into hell, wanting to gain heaven when we die?
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Onward.
Ironically the longer you study history the more there is to learn. Life long learning, a bit of a corny phrase but true. And a lot was learned by the mess that was Gallipoli
In your own time, you should watch The Water Diviner. While it is fictional, it was inspired by a letter from the father of an ANZAC soldier, looking for his son's missing body. The two main Turkish actors in the film commended Russel Crowe and the film's writers/creators for honouring/respecting and showing the Turkish side of the Gallipoli campaign. They were allowed to film INSIDE the Blue Mosque, something no one has ever had permission to do before, and the film also shows the camaraderie and respect the Australian and Turkish armies developed as they both worked together looking for and identifying their dead on the beaches of Gallipoli and the surrounding trenches after the war.
Have you seen Lawrence Of Arabia. At its simplest it is about the English fighting the Turks in Africa during the 1st world war, although it is about a whole lot more than that.
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To be honest how much of history is truth though for example when we're teached U S history particularly WW2 the textbooks paint the Polish as basically being weak constantly relying on other's help but when you research Polish history you learn that Poland is actually one hell of a scrappy badass punishing the nazi oppressors for every day they occupied them.
Also this video reminds of Metallica Disposable Heroes where the theme is the higher ups view their troops as expendable no matter how famous you are or hell you're human to them you're just pawns meant to be sacrificed
If you want to have a greater understanding for your personal education research what Regiments fought at where ever your interested in and look up whether you can read their war diaries online, many British Regiments diaries are available, the information is written at the time or within a few days and gives the best indication of what things were like.
Hi,
You asked what the Victoria Cross is, it is the highest Military medal for valour in Commonwealth Countries. Equivalent to the American Congregational Medal of Honour.
Not really related to the video, but after the comment about troops expected to die. I recently watched a video by 'The History Guy' (the same guy with the Slope Hat) about the history behind 'Woman & Children First', The story of HMS Birkenhead. A troop ship, sinking after striking rocks off the coast of South Africa. The women & children were placed in a small boat. The troops were lined up on deck when orders to abandon ship were given. Seeing that they could swamp the boat with the women & children an officer shouted 'I ask you to stand fast' and the troops stayed on the ship until she sank. Fascinating story.
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Got to say SOGAL I was expecting you to do a live stream for the Ukraine v England football yesterday 🏴🏴🏴but no problem. Gallipoli was a disaster and a certain W S Churchill does not come good out of it.
If this had succeeded Turkey would have fallen and a supply route to Russis would have been opened. This might have have shortened the war and prevented the 1917 Russian revolution making the history of the 20th century very different.
Gallipoli 🇮🇹
But we're speaking about Çanakkale (Gallipoli) in Turkey 🇹🇷
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Best for me to use the `mute` button and just watch!! Only when `Sabaton` get going- not for me.
Indy and Joachim are cool.
As an Aussie I pretty confident in saying we as a nation do not hate the Turks the Germans or the ottoman of the time but we do hate the British high command and their officer's for their ineptitude in this campaign
Take a look att an early Mel Gibson movie Gallipolli.
Hi there if you want a look at some real horsemen from ww1 have look at the aussie light horse attack on beershebs.last of the great horse charges under cannon fire and also gun fire.worth a look.
did you know a one point in world war one the Austrian solders went on strike..... how aussie is that.
their problem was they were under command of British generals who where most happy to use them as cannon fodder. so they went on strike till they got Australian leadership.
or so the story goes....... may be you could look into that, dont get many strikes in army's.
The strikes I have found were caused by the troops being pushed too hard by John Monash, an Australian.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk the greatest leader of all time!
Yes i did not watch this episode i was sent here from episode 2.
ps greetings for your independance day.
Galipoli! anmd Gurghas
"i didn't know turkey was allied with Germany" ... The guy killed was in turkey by allied forces ... Of course they don't teach you that XD .
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How great is andi at this?
Im making this comment as im watching the reaction, the reason why u dont learn this in history in many countries is cous of the failiar of this particular battle, and also how they used second rate soldiers from the collonies, i am not saying that the Anzac or the ghurcas or african soldiers were inferior, just that the countries using them thought so. Both British and French in my oppinion sacrificed many thousands of soildiers in a battle they didnt really believed in, wich to me is horrible and propably why they both are in the list of Evil countries that has made autratious things. If people have problems with my statement and think im an asshole, just look it up this is not my idea.
You mispronounced his name badly after he just said his own name :( i Know there's a lot of spanish/mexican names starting "joa", but swedes would not understand what name you were just trying to say
Please can you react to lionel Messi the lion movie 😃
She has reacted to Messi the Goat a few days ago
@@Davey-Boyd I was talking about
The lion movie not the goat one
I have already watched that
@@adityar3475 Oh, sorry about that, my mistake!
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Im sorry to be a critic but I seriously doubt so gal knows any thing about WW2 either.
When someone tells you about "male privilege" show them this.
You can't understand WW2 without WW1. And you can't understand WW1 without 19th Century European diplomacy, colonialism and revolutions. And you can't understand that without Napoleon. Hang in there, it will all click soon.
If it wasn't for Napoleon, Europe would be driving on the left.
A quote you may not know by the Turkish leadership
A moving tribute to the Anzacs killed at Gallipoli is often attributed to Atatürk in 1934:
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives ... You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours ... You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
This inscription appears on the Kemal Atatürk Memorial, Anzac Parade, Canberra.
www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/ataturk