Exactly , they hoped they could just sweep it under the carpet and move on. But the family bringing in the Dutch team made them realise that it wasn’t going away until a body was found. The questions will remain unanswered because no one is seeking the answers to those questions.
Jays disappearance has been badly handled from the start. Thank you for speaking so honestly. This case is so sad 💔 May Jay rest in perfect peace, and may a full enquiry find the absolute truth, this is just so sad! 💔🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant Commentary! Well said! May the Truth & the answers to these extremely vital questions finally be revealed! Sending blessings & deepest Condolences to Jay's family at this devastating time! Thank you for sharing! Blessings to you!
I think that the airbnb has been used before for similar reasons, the owner who ' spoke' to him has known this and is covering up bigstyle... Just my thoughts.!!?!!!
what is stunning is Jay's parents aren't demanding answers to the most basic of questions. yeah, i get it, they don't want details of Jay's involvement with the Tenerife crime underworld to be revealed, but hey, Jay's dead, what is there to lose now? Why not demand the truth?
@@kgrant3184 well, in all fairness, a headstone shaped like a machete and made of glistening white powder to commemorate Jay's favorite substance does cost a fortune.
@@duncansmith7562 True. Didn't THINK of that. Don't forget the blue & green rolex/ crown-stamped incised decorations. "Angels" (as so many are now depicting Jay) need special headstones. 😇. 🤣. Actually, I AM very sorry for his demise/ their loss, but I LOATHE it when folks abuse the compassion & generosity of others. Surely, the $70K pounds is ENOUGH now?! Or, here's a thought: why not tell the ruddy TRUTH about what the funds are actually being used for - such as owed drug money to some very nasty characters? Surely a financial officer could provide a detailed cost breakdown - with receipts, no? In the face of seeming greed and the bilking of innocent, kind-hearted, likely elderly grandmothers/ fathers, my sympathy/ empathy is waning. Fast.
My brother was murdered in 2017 and my god my mum did not stop until the guy was caught … now I’m a mother id do the same too , the family need answers more than anyone 🙄I don’t think anyone will ever get the answers really sad ❤
If dead bodies and missing people is a regular event on the island of Tenerife, it would explain the attitude of the police ie it’s just another day in paradise.
I hope the family get a toxicology report. He was wobbling trying to stay on his feet and a staff member over there said he didn’t look well. Also why did the volunteer and her sniffer dog ‘Flex’ recently go there and was able pick up his scent all along the path to the ravine. Why were their dogs so crap.
Fully agree. Still alot of unanswered questions regarding why he went to the B&B in the first place, why did he seem to want to get the hell out of there and then chose to go off road with no water and more importantly for a teenager no phone battery 🤔 Then he gets found very close to where his phone last pinged wich had already previously been searched and searched again by teams and sniffer dogs really doesn't make alot of sense 🤔
@@D...Bizzle81 Slater was found in a 600 foot deep that was so inaccessible that the Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team were airlifted out by helicopter. No dogs were airlifted into the ravine previously to search it. The Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team found the body and have not disclosed the location whilst investigations continue. They don't want social media clowns getting in the way, destroying evidence or getting lost.
I wouldn't want my sons funeral until i got the truth. How on earth can they lay him to rest not knowing what really happened. As for his so called friends they need interviewing & all phone records taken
I have to disagree, The answer is in the question. I've never heard of a missing mountain case having ppl who knew them investigated, very rare cases. ... & That's probably why it was done there. It's usually just a search. Especially since his friends reported to police "my friends lost in the mountains & hurt by a cactus" Also, they refuse to say where he was found, but showed the ravine for weeks to the public through tiktok. now it's "its too dangerous, you can't know where it is".... Not even by drone. & 100 million % they will never get to view his body, they'll just get his belongings. If he died instantly, they'll be no bruises. Atall.
These questions are not being asked, because they are idiotic claptrap from people who are twisting facts, or just plain making stuff up and in some cases, hindering the actual investigation itself by wasting police time with false leads. But for the hard of thinking, here goes... I and many other people have been back to a few parties from clubs on occasions where, when we got there, we felt tired and just ended up sleeping despite the intent to party all night when we set off for there. It's not that unusual, especially for people who've been on a three-day bender at a festival, taking drugs and drinking loads of alcohol. Being tired from that and lacking good judgement is in no way mysterious in those circumstances, it is what happens. And guess what? It can make you decide to do foolish things when you are in that state, such as walk rather than wait for a bus, or cut across some dangerous terrain as a short cut. You do not know the car, buildings and phones were not forensically tested or examined. Just because the Guardia Civil didn't tell you personally, or anyone else on CZcams, Facebook, Tik Tok or whatever, that they actually did these things, does not mean they did not. Nor does the fact that there was no footage on the TV news mean it didn't happen either. But you go ahead with your mild racism and keep on imagining Johnny Foreigner has no idea about policing and investigating stuff if it suits you. The guy who you laughably refer to as a 'UK detective', is a charlatan TV presenter, not a serving police officer and even when he was in the police, it was for a very brief time and not as a D.I. he was a family liaison officer, i.e. a paper-pushing desk jockey. He makes sensationalised 'documentaries' about this kind of missing person case, but his record of successfully solving stuff is non-existent, because he was not an actual investigating officer when he was a cop. Amongst the many things he claimed, was that he'd have cracked the case within three days of his arrival. Hmm, that aged well. His 'evidence' for Jay being 'scared' was not evidence at all, it was him misunderstanding, or more likely deliberately twisting, the transcript of a phone call. The actual words spoken by Jay, which he is getting his claptrap notion from, were when Jay said he 'could not go back', not that he was 'afraid to go back to the Air BnB', because he never even mentioned that place and at the time he made that comment about not going back, he was laughing and joking with his friend Brad. The reason he said he could not go back, is because he was sliding down a shale slope which was too steep to allow him to turn around and climb back up, thus he 'could not go back'. That a guy who claims he is some kind of super detective could not work that out, because he took it completely out of context, tells you all you need to know about his detective skills. I could go on, but you get the idea. We've had people claiming Jay was kidnapped on a yacht, was the victim of an international revenge plot, a ransom demand had been made, there was a video of him here, another one there, he was in hiding, he'd been stabbed, he was a drugs mule, and so on. And it's all because people with the attention span of a goldfish need a constant stream of entertainment and gossip for their mobile idiot boxes. So don't pretend you give a crap about the truth, or the family, this is nothing more than ghoulish entertainment for you and all the others who are adding two and two together and coming up with seventeen because it suits them to have something to gossip about and gain revenue from via subscriptions and advertising on youtube etc.
Exactly, 100% this would be the case ,autopsy needs to be done again ? They haven't answered anything did he die instantly or was he down there alive injured, wad he with phone coz there syringe belonging were next to him , also teh fact they found him on teh Saturday apparently but didn't come out till they making out they called of the search yet was doing it quietly all that time but surely the family would of been notified of this? The air b and b the photo jay apparently took is questionable ,why one man isn't named ? Alot needs answering jay didn't know when he went of road what he was walking into so so sad but felt that was his option bless him .this has effected me I had a 19 year he's off in August to Spain first time and abroad I'm alwasy making sure his battery pack is charged phone charge I can get hold of him it's so flaming worrying . He's got a good lot of friends and I'm sure of he was in a bad way etc they would not leave him . I just hope the family gets all the answers and this isn't just going be left. R I p Jay forever young 💙
Lots of people do things that I think are stupid or are things I would not do myself. That doesn't mean that 1000000's of other people won't do those very things.
I honestly think jay went to that air bnb to get more gear. The early report was he wanted to carry on partying. Makes sense to go get more from a stash house then bring it back for everyone else who are waiting for your return. He called to say he was on his way back but sadly i think he tried to take a shortcut after getting lost. He doesnt know the area and he may have been off it when he arrived, at night, in the dark. Places can look v different at night and even more so when potentially smashed after a club. Maybe he genuinely thought he had to go uphill then realised he was wrong and tried to go as the crow flies. Its incredibly sad but i think a lot of these questions are unanswered and will remain so, people were likely taking or selling drugs and dont want to get incriminated in that. To be honest i almost hope this was the outcome and not something more sinister.
@@duncansmith7562 I thought he called brad, said something about how he slid down a bank? both him and jay thought it was pretty funny according to brads interview. If that was around 8am ish (I think) then that would suggest he had left the air BnB and was walking home. This lines up with the bus being a 2 hour wait so he walked home instead.
@@jamiecurnock2910 yes, Brad mentioned Jay sliding down a slope, yes, Brad said they fund it funny, yes, it would suggest Jay had left the airbnb, but no, it doesn't suggest Jay was walking home! so, not sure where you got this from. Jay never mentioned where he was heading for when he spoke to Lucy either. in fact, it is really fascinating that Jay never mentioned to anyone where he was trying to get to!
@@duncansmith7562 because where else would he be going? He was intending on taking the bus back to the apartment but didn't want to wait 2 hours, logically it suggests that he was walking back to his apartment instead.
@@jamiecurnock2910 where else would he be going? who knows? maybe nowhere? maybe the plan was just hide somewhere, anywhere, get away from the airbnb and get away from his "friends" who had betrayed him? just because we don't know where Jay thought he was going, doesn't mean we assume the answer is Los Cristianos! why would you assume Jay intended on taking any bus back to his apartment? again, Jay never said anything about taking a bus back to his apartment. From Masca there is a Titsa bus to Santiago and one to Buenavista, so.....looks like Los Cristianos was not an option from there!
I think that it’s possible that they are just saying Jay’s body been found to take the heat off. This case has brought too much heat to the island they needed to say something to shut us all up?!
Interesting that people believe the neighbour. She may have made the story up about talking to him. There are numerous reasons. For starters she could have been paid or threatened to say that, to throw law enforcement off track. There is no evidence he spoke to anyone about a bus. Just hearsay.
Lol. Amateur sleuth. As the last person to see a missing person on not 1 but 2 occasions here in the UK, I can assure you that arrests and IUC are most certainly *NOT* routine. You simply assist them with enquiries. That's all.
A Court spokesman said: "We have a positive ID... Fingerprinting confirms that the body belongs to Jay Slater and the death was due to multiple traumas compatible with a fall in the mountainous area." Slater was found in a 600 foot deep that was so inaccessible that the Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team were airlifted out by helicopter. No dogs were airlifted into the ravine previously to search it. The Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team found the body and have not disclosed the location whilst investigations continue. They don't want social media clowns getting in the way, destroying evidence or getting lost.
@@FontaineDerby at this point it’s hard to take anything as gospel. Just my opinion. Nobody is ever going to know what really happened tbh other than those involved
@@Kelsworld2.0 Facts: Slater had been partying, had little sleep, was thirsty, was hungry, was 19, was in an unfamiliar place, walked the wrong way. In my opinion, he was not in the best position to make decisions, got lost and fell into a 600 foot deep ravine and sadly died.
@@FontaineDerby That's what they want you to think; but you are not thinking; Why would a 19 yr old boy go off alone with two much older black men to such a remote place? There are too many questions that still need to be answered. The bedspread from Lucy's hotel room; the doorbell that doesn't exist? The creepy video of Ayub Qassim with two very young teenage boys balancing on the concrete bollards, in the dead of night; exactly where Jay 's phone last pinged!
Exactly , they hoped they could just sweep it under the carpet and move on. But the family bringing in the Dutch team made them realise that it wasn’t going away until a body was found. The questions will remain unanswered because no one is seeking the answers to those questions.
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Unsubstantiated speculation.
@@FontaineDerby isn’t it all speculation at this point?
Jays disappearance has been badly handled from the start. Thank you for speaking so honestly. This case is so sad 💔 May Jay rest in perfect peace, and may a full enquiry find the absolute truth, this is just so sad! 💔🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant Commentary! Well said! May the Truth & the answers to these extremely vital questions finally be revealed! Sending blessings & deepest Condolences to Jay's family at this devastating time! Thank you for sharing! Blessings to you!
I think that the airbnb has been used before for similar reasons, the owner who ' spoke' to him has known this and is covering up bigstyle... Just my thoughts.!!?!!!
what is stunning is Jay's parents aren't demanding answers to the most basic of questions. yeah, i get it, they don't want details of Jay's involvement with the Tenerife crime underworld to be revealed, but hey, Jay's dead, what is there to lose now? Why not demand the truth?
Because the DONATIONS might DRY UP, and they won't be able to give their "beautiful [criminal] boy" an expensive send-off.
@@kgrant3184 well, in all fairness, a headstone shaped like a machete and made of glistening white powder to commemorate Jay's favorite substance does cost a fortune.
@@duncansmith7562 True. Didn't THINK of that. Don't forget the blue & green rolex/ crown-stamped incised decorations. "Angels" (as so many are now depicting Jay) need special headstones. 😇. 🤣.
Actually, I AM very sorry for his demise/ their loss, but I LOATHE it when folks abuse the compassion & generosity of others. Surely, the $70K pounds is ENOUGH now?!
Or, here's a thought: why not tell the ruddy TRUTH about what the funds are actually being used for - such as owed drug money to some very nasty characters? Surely a financial officer could provide a detailed cost breakdown - with receipts, no?
In the face of seeming greed and the bilking of innocent, kind-hearted, likely elderly grandmothers/ fathers, my sympathy/ empathy is waning. Fast.
My brother was murdered in 2017 and my god my mum did not stop until the guy was caught … now I’m a mother id do the same too , the family need answers more than anyone 🙄I don’t think anyone will ever get the answers really sad ❤
If Jay were my relative, Ayub would currently be being interrogated.
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@@paulwally9007 And Lucy and co.
Locals don't seem sure about what's being said either, a huge amount of contradictions.
If dead bodies and missing people is a regular event on the island of Tenerife, it would explain the attitude of the police ie it’s just another day in paradise.
I hope the family get a toxicology report. He was wobbling trying to stay on his feet and a staff member over there said he didn’t look well. Also why did the volunteer and her sniffer dog ‘Flex’ recently go there and was able pick up his scent all along the path to the ravine. Why were their dogs so crap.
Afterthought..... I don't think Jay was alive entering the BnB, I think he was killed after the café stop...!!!!
You are spot on mate. I agree. Decomposing a month and get finger prints no chance in mountains. Birds would have are you up.
Fully agree. Still alot of unanswered questions regarding why he went to the B&B in the first place, why did he seem to want to get the hell out of there and then chose to go off road with no water and more importantly for a teenager no phone battery 🤔
Then he gets found very close to where his phone last pinged wich had already previously been searched and searched again by teams and sniffer dogs really doesn't make alot of sense 🤔
@@D...Bizzle81 Slater was found in a 600 foot deep that was so inaccessible that the Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team were airlifted out by helicopter. No dogs were airlifted into the ravine previously to search it.
The Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team found the body and have not disclosed the location whilst investigations continue. They don't want social media clowns getting in the way, destroying evidence or getting lost.
And why did he go the wrong way?
Well said your so right!
I wouldn't want my sons funeral until i got the truth. How on earth can they lay him to rest not knowing what really happened.
As for his so called friends they need interviewing & all phone records taken
I couldn't agree with you more; you are one of the only people with any common sense on CZcams talking about this very suspicious case.
Please take a look at the video Katie Hopkins has posted about The late Jay Slater . It need’s to go viral, because it’s absolutely appalling.
I agree how is that allowed
well said 💯 need answers to lots of questions some thing just not right about this case
Because everything has been covered up people have been paid off
Exactly
I have to disagree, The answer is in the question.
I've never heard of a missing mountain case having ppl who knew them investigated, very rare cases.
... & That's probably why it was done there.
It's usually just a search. Especially since his friends reported to police "my friends lost in the mountains & hurt by a cactus"
Also, they refuse to say where he was found, but showed the ravine for weeks to the public through tiktok.
now it's "its too dangerous, you can't know where it is".... Not even by drone.
& 100 million % they will never get to view his body, they'll just get his belongings.
If he died instantly, they'll be no bruises. Atall.
Absolutely
Agree 💯
If the car was rented why have they not tracked where the cars been
These questions are not being asked, because they are idiotic claptrap from people who are twisting facts, or just plain making stuff up and in some cases, hindering the actual investigation itself by wasting police time with false leads. But for the hard of thinking, here goes...
I and many other people have been back to a few parties from clubs on occasions where, when we got there, we felt tired and just ended up sleeping despite the intent to party all night when we set off for there. It's not that unusual, especially for people who've been on a three-day bender at a festival, taking drugs and drinking loads of alcohol. Being tired from that and lacking good judgement is in no way mysterious in those circumstances, it is what happens. And guess what? It can make you decide to do foolish things when you are in that state, such as walk rather than wait for a bus, or cut across some dangerous terrain as a short cut.
You do not know the car, buildings and phones were not forensically tested or examined. Just because the Guardia Civil didn't tell you personally, or anyone else on CZcams, Facebook, Tik Tok or whatever, that they actually did these things, does not mean they did not. Nor does the fact that there was no footage on the TV news mean it didn't happen either. But you go ahead with your mild racism and keep on imagining Johnny Foreigner has no idea about policing and investigating stuff if it suits you.
The guy who you laughably refer to as a 'UK detective', is a charlatan TV presenter, not a serving police officer and even when he was in the police, it was for a very brief time and not as a D.I. he was a family liaison officer, i.e. a paper-pushing desk jockey. He makes sensationalised 'documentaries' about this kind of missing person case, but his record of successfully solving stuff is non-existent, because he was not an actual investigating officer when he was a cop. Amongst the many things he claimed, was that he'd have cracked the case within three days of his arrival. Hmm, that aged well. His 'evidence' for Jay being 'scared' was not evidence at all, it was him misunderstanding, or more likely deliberately twisting, the transcript of a phone call. The actual words spoken by Jay, which he is getting his claptrap notion from, were when Jay said he 'could not go back', not that he was 'afraid to go back to the Air BnB', because he never even mentioned that place and at the time he made that comment about not going back, he was laughing and joking with his friend Brad. The reason he said he could not go back, is because he was sliding down a shale slope which was too steep to allow him to turn around and climb back up, thus he 'could not go back'. That a guy who claims he is some kind of super detective could not work that out, because he took it completely out of context, tells you all you need to know about his detective skills.
I could go on, but you get the idea. We've had people claiming Jay was kidnapped on a yacht, was the victim of an international revenge plot, a ransom demand had been made, there was a video of him here, another one there, he was in hiding, he'd been stabbed, he was a drugs mule, and so on. And it's all because people with the attention span of a goldfish need a constant stream of entertainment and gossip for their mobile idiot boxes. So don't pretend you give a crap about the truth, or the family, this is nothing more than ghoulish entertainment for you and all the others who are adding two and two together and coming up with seventeen because it suits them to have something to gossip about and gain revenue from via subscriptions and advertising on youtube etc.
Mark williams thomas...nicola bulley and jay slater...very similar outcomes.
Why do they want more money in the go fund me ?
Exactly, 100% this would be the case ,autopsy needs to be done again ? They haven't answered anything did he die instantly or was he down there alive injured, wad he with phone coz there syringe belonging were next to him , also teh fact they found him on teh Saturday apparently but didn't come out till they making out they called of the search yet was doing it quietly all that time but surely the family would of been notified of this? The air b and b the photo jay apparently took is questionable ,why one man isn't named ? Alot needs answering jay didn't know when he went of road what he was walking into so so sad but felt that was his option bless him .this has effected me I had a 19 year he's off in August to Spain first time and abroad I'm alwasy making sure his battery pack is charged phone charge I can get hold of him it's so flaming worrying . He's got a good lot of friends and I'm sure of he was in a bad way etc they would not leave him . I just hope the family gets all the answers and this isn't just going be left. R I p Jay forever young 💙
Lots of people do things that I think are stupid or are things I would not do myself. That doesn't mean that 1000000's of other people won't do those very things.
R they allowed to analyse jays phone as it was in his possession ? Or cant because of data protection?
I've not heard anyone from the police say that they found either his iphone or his black Armani man bag.
We need to find out if Ayub has gone straight. If not, what was his role, and should he be prosecuted?
There's alot of red flags and it don't feel right that's all I'm saying. Shame to his family ❤
I honestly think jay went to that air bnb to get more gear. The early report was he wanted to carry on partying. Makes sense to go get more from a stash house then bring it back for everyone else who are waiting for your return.
He called to say he was on his way back but sadly i think he tried to take a shortcut after getting lost. He doesnt know the area and he may have been off it when he arrived, at night, in the dark. Places can look v different at night and even more so when potentially smashed after a club. Maybe he genuinely thought he had to go uphill then realised he was wrong and tried to go as the crow flies.
Its incredibly sad but i think a lot of these questions are unanswered and will remain so, people were likely taking or selling drugs and dont want to get incriminated in that.
To be honest i almost hope this was the outcome and not something more sinister.
who did Jay call to say he was on his way back?
to my knowledge, neither Brad nor Lucy ever mentioned that Jay said where he was trying to get to!
@@duncansmith7562 I thought he called brad, said something about how he slid down a bank? both him and jay thought it was pretty funny according to brads interview. If that was around 8am ish (I think) then that would suggest he had left the air BnB and was walking home. This lines up with the bus being a 2 hour wait so he walked home instead.
@@jamiecurnock2910 yes, Brad mentioned Jay sliding down a slope, yes, Brad said they fund it funny, yes, it would suggest Jay had left the airbnb, but no, it doesn't suggest Jay was walking home! so, not sure where you got this from.
Jay never mentioned where he was heading for when he spoke to Lucy either.
in fact, it is really fascinating that Jay never mentioned to anyone where he was trying to get to!
@@duncansmith7562 because where else would he be going? He was intending on taking the bus back to the apartment but didn't want to wait 2 hours, logically it suggests that he was walking back to his apartment instead.
@@jamiecurnock2910 where else would he be going? who knows? maybe nowhere? maybe the plan was just hide somewhere, anywhere, get away from the airbnb and get away from his "friends" who had betrayed him?
just because we don't know where Jay thought he was going, doesn't mean we assume the answer is Los Cristianos!
why would you assume Jay intended on taking any bus back to his apartment? again, Jay never said anything about taking a bus back to his apartment. From Masca there is a Titsa bus to Santiago and one to Buenavista, so.....looks like Los Cristianos was not an option from there!
I meant it's a shame for his family loosing a son this way whatever way it happend. Rip jay you'll be home soon ❤
I think that it’s possible that they are just saying Jay’s body been found to take the heat off. This case has brought too much heat to the island they needed to say something to shut us all up?!
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Spot on !
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Interesting that people believe the neighbour. She may have made the story up about talking to him. There are numerous reasons. For starters she could have been paid or threatened to say that, to throw law enforcement off track. There is no evidence he spoke to anyone about a bus. Just hearsay.
The second an Jonathan nofiu atanda THE johnny vegas)has an even more disturbing criminal record (violence, drugs) so 2 older big time criminals
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Lol. Amateur sleuth.
As the last person to see a missing person on not 1 but 2 occasions here in the UK, I can assure you that arrests and IUC are most certainly *NOT* routine. You simply assist them with enquiries. That's all.
The mum and family are con artists who have not shed one tear .
Vile family
He was got rid off 😢
100%
I dont think he made it alive zo zhe b and b 😢
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A Court spokesman said: "We have a positive ID... Fingerprinting confirms that the body belongs to Jay Slater and the death was due to multiple traumas compatible with a fall in the mountainous area."
Slater was found in a 600 foot deep that was so inaccessible that the Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team were airlifted out by helicopter. No dogs were airlifted into the ravine previously to search it.
The Guardia Civil Mountain Rescue Team found the body and have not disclosed the location whilst investigations continue. They don't want social media clowns getting in the way, destroying evidence or getting lost.
@@FontaineDerby at this point it’s hard to take anything as gospel. Just my opinion. Nobody is ever going to know what really happened tbh other than those involved
@@Kelsworld2.0 Facts: Slater had been partying, had little sleep, was thirsty, was hungry, was 19, was in an unfamiliar place, walked the wrong way.
In my opinion, he was not in the best position to make decisions, got lost and fell into a 600 foot deep ravine and sadly died.
@@FontaineDerby That's what they want you to think; but you are not thinking; Why would a 19 yr old boy go off alone with two much older black men to such a remote place? There are too many questions that still need to be answered. The bedspread from Lucy's hotel room; the doorbell that doesn't exist? The creepy video of Ayub Qassim with two very young teenage boys balancing on the concrete bollards, in the dead of night; exactly where Jay 's phone last pinged!
@andyfleming747 That's what social media theorists want you to think so they get their clicks and cash, but you are not thinking.
why didn't the search dogs alert the scent of death leading to the ravine in the first search.
Exactly