UNPOPULAR FANTASY OPINIONS
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Unpopular fantasy opinion. If you can condense your story into one book, make it a standalone. Fantasy doesn't NEED to span multiple books. Too often I see this done particularly with YA. Stories that have a paper thin plots, but somehow have 5 to 8 600+ page books.
I too wish we'd have more standalone fantasy books. It's so intimidating starting a series of books that I'm not even sure I'll like that I often don't bother.
I believe many authors have multiple books to increase their possibility of quick income without having to come up with a new idea for an original book. All you have to do is tweak and drag out the story with the characters that have already been created and established as opposed to creating a whole new story and characters.
I feel this so much with the Grishaverse trilogy. I’m currently struggling through it.
@@luckybear101 omg sameeeeeeee
I feel like the plot was very lacking, even the characters were not that enjoying., but I guess it's all about business
Worldbuilding is far more important for the author than the reader. However, if the author did not do any worldbuilding or if it is poor...the reader will know it.
I don't like Sarah J Maas' stories because they contain a lot of things that I personally hate- trashy love-triangles taking over the plot, protagonists that are supposed to feel "yaaas queen slaaaay" but end up feeling more like "can someone slay *her* already?", wish-fulfillment over a meaningful narrative etc. But there are a lot of people that enjoy these things, and I can totally live with that. I 100% agree that just because something isn't up to your personal standards doesn't make it "overrated" when so many other people enjoy it. Anyone can say that about any book and technically they wouldn't be wrong or right. People who genuinely say that overate their own opinion, I think.
Hahaha, I think it’s true that many people overrate their own opinions 🤣
Yeah but I do think objectivly bad EXISTS. I like trashy ranchy romances and I like Sarah J Maas her ability to write that but I hated A court of thorns and roses because the fantasy plot was painfully bad. There are people who can write fantasy romance who can also write a plot that makes an incling of sense. I feel like her fans overlook this side of her but it stops her from growing or anyone else from taking her spot. So yes subjective opinions are important but people who are objectivly bad at writing something being constantly hand hold by fans is not helping a genre.
@@MissNymwhen Oh yeah, echo-chambers aren't helpful to anyone! And I do think you can critique something from a technical point of view without factoring in your personal enjoyment of it. Does it have coherent characterization and narrative? Is there pay-off for things it establishes and plots it builds or are there loose ends? Does its structure make sense or is it confusing for the reader? And so on and so forth. But I also do think that there are people who play the constructive criticism/objectivity card to mask their personal dislike for something while making their opinion seem "superior" to that of people who happen to enjoy it, so there's that too. I guess it'd be helpful for people to understand and state which of their complains or compliments are subjective to them personally and which fall onto the more technical side when "reviewing" a book. Lots of arguments could have solved if only people were more open to that distinction.
I feel like with Lord of the Rings, a lot of people who say "there are better books out now" don't take into account subjectivity? Like for some reason with classics, if people end up not enjoying them, some will automatically chalk it up to "it's overrated/been surpassed" rather than what it more commonly is, which is "this book just isn't for me."
this also applie to the tolkien fanboys that get really mad when ppl say they dont like his books, they forge the subject part of art, and start yelling at you.
Lord of the Rings is a funny one for me because I fall right down the middle when it comes to the book to movie adaptation. In the book, I loved pretty much everything involving the hobbits and the other stuff I couldn't care less about. However, in the movies I felt more carried by Aragorns journey and (unpopular opinion) I felt like the relationship between Gimli and Legolas was better handled (although the extended cuts did Gimli no favours at all). However, movie Frodo IMO was a lot less interesting, which crippled that side of the story (except for the bit at Mt Doom, that was sick).
I disagree that modern fantasy is better than The Lord of the Rings. In fact, the commenter has it backwards. Tolkien's works are literally the root of modern fantasy in British and American literature. (Obviously, I'm speaking about post-mythology.) There's actually a great lecture series on the topic called Of Sorcerers and Men, if you're interested. Before Tolkien, British and American publishers tended to regard fantasy as suitable only for children's books. So it's not that there are lots of other books better than Tolkien's works... It's that many other fantasy writers' works are built on Tolkien's foundation. Most of our other favorite fantasy novels probably wouldn't exist without Tolkien.
Of course, I think one of the problems many people who don't like The Lord of the Rings encounter is that they are not accustomed to classic literary styles. Judging by the frankly impressive number of errors the commenter managed to fit into one (sort of) sentence, I'm going to guess they probably don't read much, and would therefore have trouble with the more archaic style in Tolkien's books. That might be why they are not a fan. LOL!
@@UnseelieRose Not liking Tolkien's writing style is a perfectly legitimate reason to not like his works, as it is with any other author. There's no reason to be condescending to people just because they aren't a fan.
@@jakerockznoodles perhaps I should explain more clearly: I've heard numerous people say that they like the plot, but can't get through the heavy classical writing style. In fact I know two people who hated The Lord of the Rings in high school, then read it during or after college and loved it. So sometimes it really is a matter of readers having difficulty with the style when they're younger.
Oh, also, I was trying to be wryly humorous, not condescending. Grammar tyrant humor is one of my favorites.
Neil Gaiman does have a fantastic voice but he's also a good writer!
and it doesnt hurt that he is on Twitter and Tumblr
I kind of hate the term "overrated" because it implies that one person's subjective opinion is more valid than other peoples'. But I don't think that people usually try to use it that way :p
Generally I tend to agree, but I had readers whose taste I really trust set me up to think a book was "the best book ever" and "full of good character development with complex relationships." Ended up being full of stereotypes - everything was a subversion instead of a deconstruction (instead of rejecting stereotypes EVERY character was either the opposite of everything their stereotype should be or the stereotype personnified) and I could predict everything the characters would do based on their archetypes. If I hadn't been told it was so amazing and mindshattering before reading it, I think I would have loved it, as its a very enjoyable book lol
I agree about how the word is used. I don’t think anyone means to imply that the majority of the time, but I try to think through how I might better describe my feelings toward things I don’t care for :)
@@ebnovels Yeah I think that's something everyone can and should work on haha
@@ebnovels Agreed for sure. "Overrated" sounds arrogant, especially in this case where I enjoy the book and find it good, just not "the best ever." Also the highest rating on goodreads is 5/5 and in fairness if someone enjoys a work that much 5/5 is not "over" rating - its rating as you see fit lol But I do think I would have enjoyed it more had it been described as even "excellent" or "highly recommended" (I have ended up recommending it) as opposed to "the book to end all books." I do think saying best/worst ever is hyperbolic - its more fair to say "my favorite," "worst I ever read," etc.
I think maybe people need to use overhyped instead of overrated? Because sometimes no book would live up to the hype it's getting but it's still an excellent book?
I think part of the problem with romance and fantasy is that when the romance overtakes the book, it should probably be labeled as a romance rather than a fantasy so people know what they are getting into. But I think it's easier to market them as fantasy because fantasy is much more marketable to the general population than romance is.
That’s interesting. I don’t know anything about how well the romance genre does compared to fantasy, but I think it does pretty well 🤔
@@ebnovels I might be completely wrong but I'm just basing that off the fact that most books that become big hits tend to not be romance books, barring things like 50 Shades (which some may or may not consider romance :P ). Or just in general on CZcams there's far more book tubes that focus on fantasy than romance or even mystery or horror. But still, I'm kind of just making an assumption
It’s funny hearing people say “LOTR isn’t as good as what we have today.”
90% of fantasy books use Tolkien’s blue print.
It’s like calling a model T Ford subpar by today’s standard even though it’s original, hand built and worth so much more.
Can we say that about today’s fantasy? Nope.
I don't get this at all. The person who submitted the unpopular opinion literally adressed this.
Just because something is influencal that doesn't mean it's objectively good. Pong is the basis for all video games, but most people would agree that most modern video games are way better than Pong.
It's fine to like LOTR, it's fine to dislike LOTR, but you shouldn't base its quality on the fact that it's influencal.
I actually don't like those books either.
Neil Gaiman has a nice voice, can confirm. He's also an incredible storyteller, so that might have something to do with it.
Sandman is great, never read any of his novels. What should I read? All I really know of is American Gods
@@TheCyberneticVortex They're all really good, but his first novel Neverwhere is probably the best place to start, it's quintessential Gaiman. Stardust as well, it's a breeze to read and it's just a good, fun fairy tale (but like for grown ups)
@@jeremyschep3589 I did not know Neverwhere was his first novel, it was the first I read though, and I really enjoyed that book. I have yet to find one that I do not like, though some are definitely more interesting while others just tell a nice story.
@@TheCyberneticVortex Neverwhere and Stardust are good places to start as far as his long prose. Good Omens gives you a taste of Gaiman as well as another fantastic author. It's best to work your way up to American Gods imo (save Anansi Boys for after if you can... that's what I've been told at least, it's still TBR for me). Any of his short story collections are a safe bet and his middle grade stuff is great for all ages.
I completely agree on the Sarah J. Maas point, I think it's just become the "in" thing to aggressively hate her and rant about her books. Yes, her books have their issues... multiple, but I personally like them, they're not literary masterpieces, but they're not trying to be. I think that if you don't like them, don't read them. Also I don't understand the point of reading her latest book even though you've hated the last four in the same series, just to rant about it, give it a rest.
Hahaha, I don’t understand why people continue reading something they don’t like either. If you think maybe it has potential, that’s one thing, but some people seem to hate read stuff just so they can feel superior when they drag it.
My problem with Sarah J Maas is her fans and that if you genuinely don't like her books you get accused of just hating on her because it's popular to dislike her books, when no I just really hated the character and thought it was bad. If a lot of people don't like her books that doesn't mean they're all being trendy, it means there's a lot of technical problems with the books or they just don't like the characters. Also SJM fans stop telling me to suffer through the first book, I shouldn't have to painfully claw my way through a book because maybe it'll get better.
If a lot of people are telling you it gets better, it gets better. The first ToG book was written when she was 16, so she did a LOT of growing as a person and as a writer between that book and Heir of Fire. But if you can't enjoy it, then stop it. I will say that there are people that actively hate on her work and shame people who like/love it when they either buy her books or download them illegally (looking at you booktok and tumblr). It's insane to me that people would read something they hate to pick it apart.
Your book collection is so aesthetically pleasing. I'm incredibly jealous.
I love romance in fantasy as long as I know it’s going to be there, what I don’t like is when the book is sold as fantasy and doesn’t mention about the romance and then suddenly the romance overtakes the plot
That makes sense. I think if it’s not mentioned at all it can be a bit jarring :O
I think if the main plot of a book is romance then the book should be marketed as a Romance not a fantasy/sci-fi et cetera
I agree. Ever since Twilight, I feel there should be a sub genre not in fantasy, but in romance; 'Fantasy romance' or anything like that, because it usually is a romance plot with fantasy, not a fantasy plot with romance, and it's super annoying for anyone who picks a book for it's fantasy, not the romance. I kind of quite on fantasy for a long time because every book I got was more or less described as "this girl has a magical problem, and this guy has a magical problem, and they're gonna solve it with being together!".
That's not fantasy, that's romance with fantasy as background.
Neil Gaiman is a beautiful writer. I think you'd enjoy his work.
I actually feel like there are hardly any stories with elves in recent modern fantasy(besides Drizzt, Inheritance, and Riyria). Or at least that modern fantasy is trending away from this. It was much more common with classic fantasy as far as I know. I love Elves and want more books with them in it! Anybody have any recs for that?
I think that’s true; fae seem to be the new thing now, which are kinda like elves? Sorta. But I can’t think of any modern recs with elves (unless you consider Witcher modern) so I’m curious about that too 😊
@@ebnovels Yeah I could see where that person is annoyed at all the Fae. It is VERY common right now. Elves are my favorite race of fictional character though so I would love to see some recs too.
It’s true - I’ve seen very few elves in modern literature, or else it’s elves that are purposefully made so different that they’re not even really elves any more.
Well, you could have a look at:
www.goodreads.com/book/show/17998464-bastial-energy
I read that recently, and it has elves (not many, but they play a significant role). I gave it a 3.5* just a heads up so you don't go into it expecting LOTR.
@@VicRibeiro777 thank you! I'll be sure to check it out
The chosen one or “the rightful heir” tropes are some of my favorites in fantasy when done well.
I've never heard Neil gaimans voice and I still love his books
I really hope you do a fantasy without magic recommendation video. All the fantasy books I've read contain some kind of magic that it's become a bit overwhelming for me.
I’ll try to think of some 😊
Agree, that video has to be made
Just for now, if you want a fantasy with no magic, go for the Temeraire series by Naomi Novik. Elliot talks about it sometimes, and I've finished it last year. It's basically a retelling of the Napoleonic Wars, but with dragons, and I love how Novik managed to do a lot of worldbuilding in what is half-historical fiction
And Temmy is just really entertaining to read about :D
Um, how would that work exactly? Doesn't the existence of magic kind of make it fantasy?
@@albinodeer7449 Thanks I'll check it out :)
Not necessarily. I’ve read books that take place in a different world but there’s nothing magical going on. It makes the cultures and nature different, but people aren’t using spells or anything :)
Also! The Winner’s Curse by Marie Rutkoski is Fantasy without magic!
I love that pants coment! We have fantastical magic systems, dragons and whatnot but it has to be basicly a medieval system. Could it be because there seems to be few women who write high fantasy?
Possibly. Haha, it is pretty hilarious, though, that it’s totally a thing 😆
Alternatively, everyone should wear hose like men would have in medieval Europe. The only time I've really seen it done is in the Witcher games.
@@fukyomammason In my book series (The Purification Era), the women wear stuff like this! Some wear dresses, but the vast majority of women wear "legging" type pants, tunic/shirts, and boots.
I personally dislike dresses except on very special occasions, so I won't make my girls wear them either haha!
Yeah, even though there is artwork of Amazon women wearing trousers. So even in ancient times, women, in at least one culture, wore trousers.
I could listen to Neil Gaiman read the phone book - it's just a total bonus that he is such a creative storyteller! I haven't actually physically read any of his books, because so far, all the one's I've read were narrated by the author, and I just can't say no to Neil Gaiman reading to me! (I also have watched an entire youtube ad I would have normally skipped because it was Neil Gaiman talking, so...)
One of the reasons I read fantasy is for the amazing magic in it! It's so much fun to learn the ins and outs of the system and the limitations!
I am new to the Channel but since there was three references to Sarah J. Maas, I want to say something. I am listening to the throne of glass and you said Celaena Sardothien is the only perfect assassin but she is super incompetent. I haven't finished the series yet since there is over 61 hours in the series for audiobooks. However, from everything I read compared to every other assassin books I have read she would of died before first book starts. I just don't understand how she starts as the top assassin but always making bad judgement, rushing to action and being too emotional, that doesn't sound like a good assassin to me. Great videos btw, I am glad I found the channel
That was a really good one. I love when you do these ^^
I entirely agree with you that I love a good romance, with emphasis on the 'good' part. It's rare I find one that I actually do care for, but when I do I really love them.
I have have strong feelings on the 'Chosen One' stories. I can't remember having ever read a story with one where I didn't think that it would have been better by simply removing that particular plot point and simply have the 'chosen one' do what he or she did out of their own choice, courage, and skill instead of because a prophecy said so.
Hmm, that’s a good point about the chosen one trope. I think it adds that weight to the character, or doubt that they can do it, but I get what you’re saying too 🤔
I just started reading The Lord of The Rings and I love it so far. I've been reading a lot of ASoIF recently so this is a nice change
It was fun and I think I haven't really read much about elfs as MC so I would def love to find more!
I think we don't see a lot of books that have other races as PoVs because human PoVs can observe the differences that they have with the different races more readily than they would note anything unusual in their own practices.
When it comes to tropes I think it comes down to what floats your boat, and that’s very subjective thing for each reader. I used to shy away from fantasy in general because I got this idea that it was “all the same”; but watching world hoppers has persuaded me to try more , and I’m starting to realize that there are tropes I love and tropes that make me roll my eyes. I can’t even always articulate why I like one trope more than another. I guess it’s a niche thing ...
That was really interesting and fun 😁 And I was so happy to hear someone say they haven't finished the Harry Potter series. I'm sort of scared of saying I din't quite like the end of the 4th book, and DNFed the 5th with no intent of ever picking those last volumes up.... 😱
Haha, don’t be scared! My friend Jashana has a whole video about not finishing Harry Potter 😆
@@ebnovels Really?! I'll have to go watch it 😁 So far, any video I've seen where HP was mentioned, it was like "this is the greatest series of all" and "I've re-read the books x times"..... so I've avoided commenting 😁
My friend gave it up because she killed Sirius Black. I never read it at all.
you: "I don't like it when everyone's evil"
me, watching a bunch of evil people do horrendously stupid things: yes yes yes yes
I loved this video! Regarding Sarah J Maas, I adore her books, they really give me all the feels! I know people seem to love to hate her but I can’t get enough of them.
My personal unpopular opinion: I love a great romance, the more dramatic the better.
First time watching one of your videos. I REALLY enjoyed listening to your opinions. Going to watch more of your videos, but you might be in my top couple of booktubers now. 😊 Loved it.
Wow, thank you! I always like hearing other people’s perspectives too, so feel free to leave yours, even if it’s a disagreement 😊
Okay a while ago I was inclined to agree. Neil Gaiman reading anything or explaining something is a sound to behold. When I first started reading him it was a song, but at the end of each of his books they are very good in retrospect.
The Chosen One trope done right and delightfully subverted: the Fire and Thorns trilogy by Rae Carson. Also great if you're looking for a good adventure and/or quest-typey, road-trippey fantasy book.
You know first time seeing ur video and i just gotta appreciate that your fan of vagabond respect, excited the author continuing his basketball manga Real. But i feel like Vagabond will be coming back in yr or so once Real is completed.
The gentleman bastards series doesn't have a lot of its focus on the magic or world building.
apoorva jangle I love those books so much!! One of the main things for me is that there is magic but the main characters don’t use it and they’re literally just normal people
@@booksandwoollysocks yess they're normal yet amazing ❤.
I'm confused by the comment about not liking magic in fantasy. Magic is kind of one of the earmarks of the fantasy genre. Loved the video!
The Tainted Accords by Kelly St Clare is high fantasy without magic and it's fantastic. Has a great "hate" to love romance and great friendships.
I would love a book recommend list of romance centered fantasies!
For fantasy without magic - The Winner's trilogy by Marie Rutkoski. It's more of a political fantasy.
My favourite underappreciated series!
@@Katyayay mine too. It's so much better character and plot wise than acotar series but doesn't get nearly as much hype.
That Strange the Dreamer opinión really has me fired up.
OMG the magic systems one, yes! For me, something like the magic in Eragon is perfect where it's the energy it would take to do it in real life, there's a language for it, so you learn the language and get strong and that's it. Anything more complex feels like work I have to do to enjoy the story while I'm reading it.
love the outro music!
For fantasy without magic, my touchpoint is a dutch series I read as a kid called Het Brief Voor de Koning (the Letter for the King). Not sure if it ever was translated to english but it's a very exciting adventure story in a completely imaginary medieval-europe inspired world, with absolutely zero magic.
I suggest checking out the Egil and Nix trilogy. Also not sure if you've read it already but my favorite newer novels were Kings of the Wyld and Bloody Rose by Nicolas Eames
Haha i kinda agree with the game of thrones one cuz it just seems a bit overhype to me & most of the fans have gone overboard with their reactions. But hey to each their own right. I must have missed this post where we can leave an unpopular opinion for you. But mines would be i love a fantasy book with a good amount of romance. I feel like it adds depth especially when the book has a lot of action. I don't like love triangles & books that lack action either lol. But hey opinion is an opinion as long as we are mature about it. Anyways happy reading to ya Elliot 😅💜
Thanks! Same to you :D The place to submit them is always in my Instagram stories :) But I’ll probably do something like this in the future 😊
okay but the neil gaiman one hurt HAHAHAHAH but broooo ya gotta love him
I get why people don't like Sarah J Maas' books but I personally LOVE THEM❤❤
That’s good! I’m glad you enjoyed them :D they lean a little romance heavy for me personally, but I do feel bad that they get hated on so much :/
@@ebnovels I'm pretty sure her books are hated because of the romanticizing of abusive relationships in them. Also she doesn't write non-white characters in her fantasy novels much if ever.
Allison Walker that’s true of a lot of fantasy though
@@ebnovels yes but Maas is famous and most fantasy authors aren't.
I think the issue is that some readers are completely turned off by reading The Throne of Glass series-- which is completely understandable-- and never give her other series a chance. Her Court of Thorns and Roses series is much better (and the protagonist is much less annoying) so I would encourage any fantasy reader to give it a try before judging Maas' work.
Wait, wait... Someone dislikes magic in fantasy novels? If there is nothing magical or supernatural in the narrative, is it even fantasy? LOL!
Oooh. So that opinion about no emotional reaction to killing... thats one of the major reasons I love The Wheel of Time. There is such much depth to the characters and moral questions that really make me, as someone who is obsessed with characterization and the inner struggles that one faces, just love that series
Neil Gaiman has a fantastic voice! My first read (listening experience) was The Graveyard. I read it for MGM and only gave it3 stars.
I’m currently reading/listening to my second book (Neverwhere) by this author (for a backlist challenge in April).
My first thought on the book was a question: how strange is Gaiman’s mind?
My second thought: Wow, he can act with his voice.
My current thought: Man, I’m loving this story.
So far, this has earned 4 stars. There are 7 hours to go. Who knows where it will end up?
One and a half books isn’t enough to determine why people buy his books. But I will say it should be against the law to read a paper copy of his books. His voice really is amazing!
I definitely agree that maps probably aren’t necessary in books, but as a geography/ cartography nerd, I love them! 😂
The Queen's Thief series by Megan Whalen Turner. It's an amazing fantasy series that doesn't have magic, although the gods occasionally intervene.
Neil Gaiman really has a beautiful voice, but I think that s not the only reason he's popular. The Harry Potter series really isn't that good. I still read in twice and watched the films 4 or 5 times. Like LOTR, it's about nostalgia and the influence it had. And about a boring story that is really beautiful, the 1.5th book in the kingkiller chronicles is an amazing example. No plot, no dialogue, just one character. My unpopular opinion is that I actually want things about the world or culture that are not relevant in any way, mostly because they always come into the plot at one point, and whenever I find something out, I feel like I have to watch out for when it will matter.
Though I don’t mind fantasy romance Sub plots I do think there’s a lot in current Fantasy, and when done badly in my opinion takes a lot of away from the story the writer is trying to create.
Everyone has their own opinion to romance in their books. With is well within everyone’s right, of course. But one thing I feel is there’s this stigma that romance = poor writing. Or that you’re not a proper “reader” if you enjoy heavy romance. It’s very frustrating. Like you, I enjoy it as a subplot but I don’t mind it being the central point every once in a blue moon. I’m just waiting for the average person to not trash other peoples reading likes and dislikes.
The first three books of Moira Katson's Light & Shadow series have no magic, though the 4th book does introduce magic.
Can I just sorta silent scream because of your Vagabond collection on the shelves? Good taste!
Youre right . No one is in the position to say if a book is over- or underrated ☺️❤️ its subjective
I feel like the problem with a lot of grimdark works is that the authors often utilize things like character deaths, depressing moments, tragic backstories, etc in place of characterization and storytelling as opposed to using them to enhance those.
Hmmm, I'm trying to think of fantasy worlds without magic. The Queen's Thief series doesn't have magic unless you count the light supernatural encounters with the world's pantheon.
"The Stone Dance of the Chameleon" by Ricardo Pinto is a fantasy novel without magic. Definitely worth checking out.
I think the reason so many people think the chosen one is overdone it because it sucks are well-known trope. However most examples used are the handful of mainstream popular stories that use it or are at least half a century old
I never thought about women and trousers. The only series I can think of that has it as a normal think is the Dishonored game series. All women wear trousers in that game
I don't like a lot of romance in my main fantasy books, the ones that are specifically just fantasy. I do, however, enjoy the fantasy romance genre especially C L Wilson's Tairen Soul books.
I loved the Harry Potter books as a kid but I prefer the films now! I tried rereading them a few years ago and got stuck in the 5th and haven’t gone back to them since
What are the book series in the bottom right ? With the red numbers on the spine.
I don't think I've ever heard Neil Gaiman speak. I've been reading his work for decades despite that.
I'd have to reread it to check, but I don't recall any magic in Swordspoint, by Ellen Kushner. (I haven't read the sequels yet, so even if my memory is correct, I don't know if the trend continues.)
Yes, Ellen Kushner's Riverside books don't have any magic! (I absolutely love them!)
Yes please make list of none magic fantasy. Please.
So on the subject of world building, I actually adore all the world building. The more, the merrier, for me. That's one of the reasons I adored Jay Kristoff's Nevernight series (ok i've only read the first). He has so many little informational tidbits, which I'm assuming not all of it is uber important, in the footnotes. I can see how some people might see that to drag a story out but...like...I got my degree in history and anthropology so learning the cultural/societal/gender norms, religious practices, history of the state and its government system/s feeds my soul...not to be over dramatic or anything lol
7:45 Elementa assasins pretty nice
As one who loves fantasy, it was strange when I hated the "Kingmaker, Kingbreaker" series by Karen Miller. "The Innocent Mage" and "The Awakened Mage" both didn't live up to expectation. I reviewed these books when I first started my BookTube channel. Seems like forever ago!
should i read a throne of glass? i’ve heard so much about it but i don’t like “fey”
I'm a little late to this video, but I think to comment on the fact that fantasy is underrated in the entertainment industry, I feel that it is changing. For now, we have The Dragon Prince on Netflix, The Witcher, and there has been plans for Wheel of Time... So, I think it is changing.
When I first read Neil Gaiman's book for the first time- The Ocean at the End of the Lane - it instantly became one of my most favourites and I had never seen him or heard him before that. I think Neil Gaiman is an excellent author by his own merit. 🤔
I'll add to the approval to Lord of the RIngs. It was written based on a book from the thirties and was finished in the fifties. You have to view it in the context of the times.
I actually sometimes enjoy chosen one trope
How is someone going to not like magic if they read fantasy lol
Tru Tru that book to screen adaptations don't happen a lot with fantasy with a few exceptions
I agree with your thoughts on things being overrated. Because usually they are talked about that much because there are a lot of people enjoying that thing. And while I understand that feeling of certain books being overrated and the wish to talk about it and that's nothing bad, I am with you on thinking that just because I didn't like it, that it's overrated.
Oh, and I agree with the fantasy romance one as well. I like romance in fantasy and I have no qualms with books where the romance is the main plot (I still think that's fantasy ... and not 'thinly veiled as fantasy') but my best friend, for example, doesn't really like romance-heavy books. There are soooo many fantasy books out there ... we both have more than enough to read.
The only fantasy book I can think of that hasn't any magic in it would be the winner's curse trilogy by Marie Rutkoski which is YA though
what is a grimdark?
Random question: I find it very hard to finish a book that is too long. Even when I see them I’m so excited to finish all of it but then I find myself falling asleep or loosing interest.
I really want to finish all the books I started and I was wondering what tips you can give me for my dilemma of not finishing books regardless of the length . I really want to get over this!!!
For me, I find it’s okay every now and then to set bigger books down and pick up something smaller and maybe more “fun” (not that big books can’t be fun, but I think you get what I mean). I think of it kinda like watching a long tv drama over the month. I’m probably going to watch an episode of a sitcom or a comedy movie at some point in between, and in doing that, I haven’t forgotten everything that happened in the long tv drama. So with big books, I’ll set one down, pick up something shorter or maybe for a younger audience like YA books, then go back to the bigger book. Hopefully that makes sense and is helpful!
Interesting, I too put down the famous books by J.k. And never picked them up again..
Please do that Video
I dint mind reading a heavy romance plot as long as it is sold as that, it’s only annoying when I’m expecting an action packed high fantasy. Just advertise it as what it is
I recently read A Court of Thorns and Roses - I thought it was okay - and was looking for a good review booktube video, but the ones that got suggested to me were either rants or longer than 20min. Can someone suggest a good review to me?
I very rarely can read a book without romance. There are exceptions but not a lot.
Hey Elliot! I'm really curious - you said that some people considered Harry Potter to belong to the fantasy genre, so I'm wondering whether you would classify it differently?
I always think of it as magical realism. But I guess magical realism IS fantasy 😆
@@ebnovels Oh, it never even crossed my mind that that's what you might be thinking! When I think of magical realism I think of Haruki Murakami or Jostein Gaarder and that's very different from HP :) For me HP is low fantasy (ever since I've learned the difference between high and low fantasy) but I wouldn't know how to differentiate low fantasy from magical realism except that I wouldn't expect to find dragons or werewolfs in a magical realism book...
All they fantasy behind you and haven’t read Gaiman. Please do, you will not regret it I swear!!
What I like a out authors like SJM is that they get people to read. I mean sometimes people are intimidated by high fantasy but still want to try fantasy. Idk just my 2 cents
3:26 It's similar to horror movies that "scare you" with gore and causing you to jump as opposed to a truly good psychological horror movie
Ooo, fantasy stories without magic? That sounds cool. The only ones I can think of right now is Bridge to Terabithia and The Borrowers. Also Blade of Immortal (manga), maybe?
Blade of the Immortal is close, yeah. The immortality stuff is most of it though, right?
@@ebnovels Yeah. :) I guess that Blade of Immortal is borderline magical, depending on how one would explain the reason for immortality.
Btw, I hope you guys are having a great time in Ireland ^^
Thank you! I finally have WiFi here, so I can chat with you all 😄
The Gormeghast series is fantasy without magic. Redwall series as well.
@@ebnovels :D
What is it with people and Sarah J Maas? I think she is genious
What’s your outro music?
Dang! Neil Gaiman - aka the Morgan Freeman of the book world. 😊 His voice sounds really good!
My interest in Neil Gaiman stems from his work on the DC comic Sandman. I've heard him speak just enough to know that he pronounces his name as Gayman and not as Guyman. While I've enjoyed quirky novels like Coraline and Good Omens, I didn't get into American Gods.
Where is the conflict between grimdark and travelling & adventure?
I can't stand the school settings, either 😂 mostly because, in my experience, it's an excuse for characters to act really dumb. I get that the characters are young, but they don't seem to have many good influences that make them unique.
Books are usually better than the movie. I am about 4 chpts into your book Elle and I am liking it, very daunting but very fun.
Not sure if this is still relevant but Captive Prince is fantasy without magic
I agree about the magic system one. If it takes the entire first book before you even have a basic grasp of it then it’s just kind’ve more annoying then it is good.
Unpopular Opinion:
The Harry Potter books aren't *horrible* but they most certainly don't warrant such popularity and theme parks. The characters are all kinda stale and/or annoying imo. Like the most complex character is probably Snape. The plot is very repetitive and the story could have ended by book 4. I personality feel like if the world wanted a popular, theme park worthy book series that can be read by kids, teens, and adults, it should have picked up a Rick Riordan book series instead.