This reminds me of that anime clip where a guy almost drowned swimming and then played it off like nothing happened simply saying "so how do you like my swimming".
If that girl in the last story based her version of the character on her own relationship like it sounds like she did, it's no wonder it's failing; you can't sleep around with other guys and expect your husband to be cool with it. I say they should retcon everything, have the wife character go back to being how she was, and tell the girl that D&D isn't therapy, which she badly needs.
About that 3rd story... The new player wanted to be in a "stable relationship" but took the "8 years of cheating on husband" route ? How is that a stable relationship ? Could that also be why her irl relationship failed ?
Yea...that was my thought as well. Only think I can think of, maybe her partner was cheating on her or suspected of it, so she wanted to turn it around in some kind of personal power reclaim. I really doubt it though, making that kind of choice when the 'paladin husband' was apparently very successful, but also despite being an adventurer did take time to be at home every so often is a very odd choice
It is the fact she stated "cheating" that is the problem as opposed to an open relationship. Kind of hard to get around the cheating thing, no matter what the relationship type is...
@@craigtucker1290 I'm unsure about that... The "cheating" part may have come from OP, since an open relationship may register to him as constant cheating, especially since Paladin was always keeping his side of things very, how shall I put it, traditional? Although of course you _can_ cheat in an open relationship, that is, cross the boundaries agreed upon. But OP didn't state whether that openness was, to her mind, agreed upon, or forced on him by her and a source of conflict ("I'm so independent!"™). I'm wondering if her desire may have been "it's so stable I can do literally anything and still feel safe", but seriously, if it was that, in the end she was creating a power fantasy over an uninvolved innocent. One could joke, "stable" doesn't even imply "healthy". The part where this redefines Paladin's past is the worst no-go to me. He surely would have ended things if this had actually been a thing, but how do you defend against past? Plus, the player is _forced_ into this relationship game, which is something a player _has_ to choose. It's unfortunate how little the party seems to see the red flags in this scenario. I hope he could make them see the light.
On the last one, I don't think the DM made a mistake in suggesting the wife NPC, but he did in not exercising a little more veto power over the choices she made. And in not including the Paladin player in the discussion, given that he had (technically) created/expanded that character so much over the course of the campaign. If that were me in that position, I would probably flip my lid at the whole thing (although, admittedly, in the one campaign where my character is married, I've put in a lot more "work" with that subplot than it sounds like this player has). For the player in question, at this point I think I would retcon that this new character is *not* the wife character but a completely new/different character who just happens to share some similar traits with the wife character.
One huge issue, if you're in the elemental plane of fire you need to have fire immunity to just be there and not spontaneously combust. What kind of damage would lava deal? Most likely fire, between the immunity you're supposed to have and a nat 20 on the con save ( which should've been unnecessary) you shouldn't have taken damage.
This story immediately reminded me of my character's first in-game brews. At the very start, Vyktir lost a drinking contest against his Hobbit friend, which led to some hilarity of epic proportions. Then there was a shot of some mysterious, special alcohol that damn near killed Vyktir! It was great.
That last story hit my current character. I'm also a paladin and have a written a love interest/close friend into his backstory. Funny enough if Paladin dies she becomes the backup.
Interesting to know. Didn't know you could make it critical save. Was it the same way in the first edition? Because that is my preferred form of Pathfinder.
1st story is ridiculous. It wouldn't be respect, it would be the Azer pointing out the idiotic barbarian that almost died trying to drink lava and how funny it was to them. 2nd story went from the player coming up with a good idea to the DM handing the party a win. If the DM was being fair, then the other PC should have taken a similar amount of damage. Instead, the DM is the one to thank for allowing such a good idea to work. 3rd story, the DM did screw up. The wife character was not a blank character, much of the wife's behaviours and history with the paladin were already established, just a few details like her name and minor character details were missing.
The last story the DM was the one most at fault though his reasoning isn't all that bad. I think the major problem between the paladin and his wife was that the DM should have had the two players sit down and talk about the characters together rather than just slop them together. Bad chemistry can often be overcome by simply talking and saying hey so tell me about this character and what this relationship is, etc. It sounds like there wasn't enough talking outside of the game about the game.
Um, if wife player wanted to play someone in a stable relationship, then maybe don't play someone who clearly has no respect for their spouse or their spouse's values. That's totally on wife's player. And the rest of the table need to wise up.
So a character says a characters jaw is literally melting off from drinking lava. He has no magical protections and the druid bandages a missing jaw. Not to mention what happened to his organs. And that earned respect? This is why I miss the save vs death roll from old d&d. You fail and you are dead. No 0 hp unconscious or 5hp and Im fine. DM should have warned them the lava beer will to 200d something fire damage and save dc is 40+ a really high number.
The guy who’s mad about the details of his fictional wife being filled in by another player because he for multiple years has never bothered to flesh her out because he didn’t care about that character is definitely a creep. If she didn’t matter enough to give a story to then why do you care now that she has one? And he bothers to include the ‘I won’t kill her because evil,’ like that would be a crazy thing to do. Why does your break up plan include ‘don’t worry I won’t murder them’ lol
This reminds me of that anime clip where a guy almost drowned swimming and then played it off like nothing happened simply saying "so how do you like my swimming".
Golden boy is a classic
If that girl in the last story based her version of the character on her own relationship like it sounds like she did, it's no wonder it's failing; you can't sleep around with other guys and expect your husband to be cool with it. I say they should retcon everything, have the wife character go back to being how she was, and tell the girl that D&D isn't therapy, which she badly needs.
About that 3rd story...
The new player wanted to be in a "stable relationship" but took the "8 years of cheating on husband" route ? How is that a stable relationship ? Could that also be why her irl relationship failed ?
Yea...that was my thought as well. Only think I can think of, maybe her partner was cheating on her or suspected of it, so she wanted to turn it around in some kind of personal power reclaim. I really doubt it though, making that kind of choice when the 'paladin husband' was apparently very successful, but also despite being an adventurer did take time to be at home every so often is a very odd choice
I was wondering the same thing. What an odd thing to make up in that situation.
Came to make the literal same comment. Stable relationship and cheating are about as opposed as I can think of, in this context.
It is the fact she stated "cheating" that is the problem as opposed to an open relationship. Kind of hard to get around the cheating thing, no matter what the relationship type is...
@@craigtucker1290 I'm unsure about that... The "cheating" part may have come from OP, since an open relationship may register to him as constant cheating, especially since Paladin was always keeping his side of things very, how shall I put it, traditional?
Although of course you _can_ cheat in an open relationship, that is, cross the boundaries agreed upon. But OP didn't state whether that openness was, to her mind, agreed upon, or forced on him by her and a source of conflict ("I'm so independent!"™).
I'm wondering if her desire may have been "it's so stable I can do literally anything and still feel safe", but seriously, if it was that, in the end she was creating a power fantasy over an uninvolved innocent.
One could joke, "stable" doesn't even imply "healthy".
The part where this redefines Paladin's past is the worst no-go to me. He surely would have ended things if this had actually been a thing, but how do you defend against past? Plus, the player is _forced_ into this relationship game, which is something a player _has_ to choose.
It's unfortunate how little the party seems to see the red flags in this scenario. I hope he could make them see the light.
On the last one, I don't think the DM made a mistake in suggesting the wife NPC, but he did in not exercising a little more veto power over the choices she made. And in not including the Paladin player in the discussion, given that he had (technically) created/expanded that character so much over the course of the campaign. If that were me in that position, I would probably flip my lid at the whole thing (although, admittedly, in the one campaign where my character is married, I've put in a lot more "work" with that subplot than it sounds like this player has). For the player in question, at this point I think I would retcon that this new character is *not* the wife character but a completely new/different character who just happens to share some similar traits with the wife character.
One huge issue, if you're in the elemental plane of fire you need to have fire immunity to just be there and not spontaneously combust. What kind of damage would lava deal? Most likely fire, between the immunity you're supposed to have and a nat 20 on the con save ( which should've been unnecessary) you shouldn't have taken damage.
There’s a chart for environmental damage and it places molten lava as a hell of alot of fire damage.
This story immediately reminded me of my character's first in-game brews.
At the very start, Vyktir lost a drinking contest against his Hobbit friend, which led to some hilarity of epic proportions. Then there was a shot of some mysterious, special alcohol that damn near killed Vyktir! It was great.
ouch, girl thinks stable relationship is sleeping around, wonders why her irl relationship is on the ropes, I hope the guy gets out of that one soon!
Druid: I have a stable relationship.
DM: With an NPC?
Druid: No, I turn into a horse and...
That last story hit my current character. I'm also a paladin and have a written a love interest/close friend into his backstory. Funny enough if Paladin dies she becomes the backup.
You gotta admit on that third one that the DM and wife player really screwed the pooch there.
Wait, that first story...
If he drank a potion of fire resistance, would be still take damage from drinking the lava?
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YIRBEL LIVES! We have any nights at Flumpty's fans in the house? I'm already getting red man vibes.
2nd story: rule of cool absolutely won out here.
All I heard is the DM gave the party a win when only the mimic was injured/killed.
My barbarian once drank lava, it was ok, mildly hot
(Pathfinder 2e, I critted my fortitude save aka no damage)
Interesting to know. Didn't know you could make it critical save. Was it the same way in the first edition? Because that is my preferred form of Pathfinder.
@@andyknightwarden9746 As far as I know...... no, Pathfinder 1e does not have critical saves like in 2e
(A nat 20 is just a guaranteed success)
@@blqqqmbliaaam1044 I see. Ah, well. Thanks for the information though, that was a fun read.
Dumb. A farce if a DM
*Wants stable relationship*
"Imma go be a hoe"
Balls of steel
1st story is ridiculous. It wouldn't be respect, it would be the Azer pointing out the idiotic barbarian that almost died trying to drink lava and how funny it was to them.
2nd story went from the player coming up with a good idea to the DM handing the party a win. If the DM was being fair, then the other PC should have taken a similar amount of damage. Instead, the DM is the one to thank for allowing such a good idea to work.
3rd story, the DM did screw up. The wife character was not a blank character, much of the wife's behaviours and history with the paladin were already established, just a few details like her name and minor character details were missing.
2:05 Well, a nat 20 may mean you succeed, but how you pull off that success is another story entirely.
Says discord link is invalid. Could someone please link / post the correct one? 😘
The last story the DM was the one most at fault though his reasoning isn't all that bad. I think the major problem between the paladin and his wife was that the DM should have had the two players sit down and talk about the characters together rather than just slop them together. Bad chemistry can often be overcome by simply talking and saying hey so tell me about this character and what this relationship is, etc. It sounds like there wasn't enough talking outside of the game about the game.
Wait... She wanted a stable relationship so she made her character a long time cheater?
I wanna hit like but i also wanna keep it at 666 😂
Um, if wife player wanted to play someone in a stable relationship, then maybe don't play someone who clearly has no respect for their spouse or their spouse's values. That's totally on wife's player. And the rest of the table need to wise up.
So a character says a characters jaw is literally melting off from drinking lava. He has no magical protections and the druid bandages a missing jaw. Not to mention what happened to his organs. And that earned respect?
This is why I miss the save vs death roll from old d&d. You fail and you are dead. No 0 hp unconscious or 5hp and Im fine. DM should have warned them the lava beer will to 200d something fire damage and save dc is 40+ a really high number.
The guy who’s mad about the details of his fictional wife being filled in by another player because he for multiple years has never bothered to flesh her out because he didn’t care about that character is definitely a creep. If she didn’t matter enough to give a story to then why do you care now that she has one? And he bothers to include the ‘I won’t kill her because evil,’ like that would be a crazy thing to do. Why does your break up plan include ‘don’t worry I won’t murder them’ lol
Second!!!
D&D has become a joke amonst its player. Just a bunch if clowns siting around a table trying to out do each others stupidity. The hold my beer rpg.
Honestly,your not wrong. I hate that i dont usually get nat20s in battle,but nat20s in the most dumb crap possible.
I just have to say your content has been going downhill for the last year or more it's sad to see
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