Things I wish I could change on the Challenger- 50lb weight reduction - fairing support, wheels, engine covers, swingarm are too heavy. replace metal fenders with carbon fiber hand control size & especially turn signals should mimic Harley. These controls are uncomfortably big and wear large size gloves. The plastic housings are horrible, cheap quality, fragile and expense. All 4 pieces cost ~ $900 just for the shells compared to Harley's aluminum ones at ~ $250. Turning radius - increase range of motion when going lock to lock
Oh man, that’s a list. I know there are carbon fiber parts for the challenger for everything but the fuel tank. I agree I don’t care too much for the plastic housings on the controls as far as weight …compared to HD IMC is noticeably lighter on almost every model. I’ve taken these bikes apart and i can honestly say I have no idea where they could shave weight but I’m no engineer 🤣. Thanks for your comment 🤙🏿 I am really curious to see what’s coming for 2025!
I love riding but the prices of these motorcycles are outrageous. To think some people are spending half of their yearly wages on a motorcycle and paying a high price in financing is beyond me.
I enjoy riding as well, and everyone's situation is different. I always tell people to shop around for the best prices whether that's new, used, or even a different state. However, as adults we have to make our own decisions despite what I or anyone else thinks but that's a whole other conversation. Thanks for checking out the video.
See I love Indian The look, the ride, the power. Harley has a wide range of after market and service available and that’s really the itch that keeps me leaning HD. But wow what a ride
Good stuff, the IMC aftermarket has been steadily increasing and while I don’t think it will be as expansive as HD there is more than enough to make your ride what you want it to be. Appreciate your thoughts…valid🤙🏿
With the advancements in cellphone technology and other alert systems if there is any adverse weather as long as your phone is connected to your motorcycle the alerts will come though the speakers. However, if you live in tornado alley or an area subject to adverse weather, I could see how the radio would be beneficial and, in that case, I would like the antenna to be a bit more stylish than a traditional "whip" style... just to make it fit the overall theme of the bike. Again, not a deal breaker but just a nit picking type of thing. Thanks for checking out the video!
EXCELLENT Video!!! Kuryakyn heal shifter on my RM is great... Lets me move my foot freely!! You covered your bike in plain english and explained a lot how/why.
Thanks for the video Finesse! I recently bought my 2023 DH Pursuit Premium Pkg. I was riding and still ride a BMW K1600B. Some of the things I wish the Pursuit had that are standard on my Beemer are the integrated brakes and quick shifter. Doing my next visit to my dealer, I'm replacing the hand controls with the dark brake and clutch levers as well as backlit controls.
Noice, I too thought about switching the controls but never got around to it. I am sure it will make the overall look of the bike come together. One day when I grow up I'll have multiple bikes, right now Mrs. Finesse has two and I only have one LOL.
Great video and I agree with all of the improvements! Specifically the Clutch and brake levers!!!! I’ll share with other Challenger / Pursuit riders, I worked with Bob Cole (see FB and the Groups) - he cut my levers back a bit and powdered them gloss black. Love the look, no danger to clutch operation. The next thing is break the code on the ECM! So much more this engine gives….and lastly, great job on improving the audio, horrible job on the cost, and amount of separate orders you have to finish the project. It should not be that confusing to add to the lower fairing (even my dealer had trouble on quoting what exactly was needed!). The price difference to add aftermarket vs building is crazy. All that said… I love the bike!!!
Thanks! The 2024 touring model lineup has now expanded to include audio packages that provide up to a 600 watt audio system expandable to 800 watts at a somewhat lower cost. I agree there was some confusion as to the complete components that I needed to add the lower fairing audio, I had to take a couple trips to my dealership. As far as the ECM, I too am interested as well to see what is going to happen (with references to the Lloyd's tunes etc...) with that with the advent of possible EPA changes coming.
thx for the TCO review. I'm waiting on my used 22 pursuit DH premium silver quartz to be delivered. only had 1k miles w/ Rinehart exhaust. still expensive @ $28k, but skipped all the dealer fee add ons. I'll pay attention to make sure to address any of those warranty issues early.
Copy that, overall, the Pursuit is really a solid bike and I have enjoyed every minute of it. TBH $28K with only 1K miles seems like a great deal for what you get with the motorcycle.
Good to see the breakdown, I'd be saving on the oil changes and other routine maintenance. I do all my vehicle's changes including my two bikes, myself. I just don't like the hassle of taking a vehicle in to do it when I can usually do it in 20 minutes or so and save money to boot.
Absolutely, I have done an oil change on a motorcycle once and it is actually quite simple. However, since it was my first time doing it, I was in pure panic mode thinking about if I had done it properly (I did) but for peace of mind I still take mine to the dealership.
Exactly. I’m really hoping that one day you could and that they will take the riders concerns seriously. Overall great bike. The best one that I had thus far but that wheel wobble and tour pack is a no no. I must admit that there are more pros than cons but the cons can definitely be corrected. Hopefully, they will see this video and make the proper corrections with all the dislikes that you’ve mentioned and in which I agree with. :)@@FinesseTheChallenger
I have a 2022 Pursuit Limited, Crimson and Maroon. It is my first touring bike as I've always ridden cruisers. I don't have a heel shifter, but I'm thinking about getting one but not through Indian, I've seen aftermarket brands that offer more room. The highway pegs from what I've seen from DMV Solorider would be too short for me. I went with the KST 4" pullback bars, and they're perfect for me. As far as the trunk liner and antenna, I totally agree. The liner fits horribly, and the first thing I did as I got ready to leave the dealership was to remove the antenna. Great video, and I do enjoy when an owner will give an opinion that isn't all roses and unicorns.
I like those red and chrome Pursuit's those are some good-looking machines. I think IMC did a great job on the platform however, there is room for some minor improvements as with most things. Overall though it really is a solid platform and when using the bike for what it's actually made for (cruising) it is an excellent experience. Thanks for checking out the video DM.
Nice review. I have the ‘23 Pursuit also. I have the front wheel issue at times. It will come and go based on tire pressure. When I’m 1 to 2 pounds over on front and back it’s stable at 40 mph. At or under, I get that decel wobble at 40 mph. Overall though, it’s a great ride. Honestly I think I only have 1 wish and that would be I’d like the option backrest to match my diamond stitch seat. It’s honestly almost the perfect bike. Thanks for the video.
Go to the indian pursuit forum, one person said he had the wobble effect around 40 mph and went to dealer and got a new front tire and fixed the problem. Check it out
Cue! Tighter turns would be ok as long as it didn't compromise the ride which IMO for a touring bike is more important. I also do not like heel shifters LOL and IDK bout 6X9 speakers because it would add weight to the lid when opening. I think they could add more sound or sound options without going "that big" on the saddlebag speakers. Then again you don't know what you don't know and I haven't heard a pair of 6X9's on an Indian Motorcycle it might sound great lol.
Hogworkz has some really nice liners for the saddle bags and the trunk. I have the same bike as you and was able to buy them with the silver stitching. Really made a difference in dressing up the bike
I traded in my Harley and ended up buying the same bike as what you have. I purchased the bag and trunk inserts from Hogworkz about two weeks ago. They have the saddle bag inserts listed as the 2022 however there was no change in the 2023 models according to their support.
Cool video. However, modifying a bike because of personal preference does not equate to "cost of ownership." Cost of ownership means how much it costs on an annual basis for routine maintenance i.e. oil changes, air filter, tires, repairs, etc.
I have a 22 Pursuit DH premium (Spirit Blue Metallic). I am in the process of getting blacked out clutch and brake levers done. I have about 12,700 miles on my bike and still enjoy the seat, however they want a premium for the backrest and mounting (sold separately). I also just upgraded the headlight, have the Bryant M1 bag lights coming, and put the IMC mid rise bars on 2 weeks ago (still not sure I love them). My bike had the wobble issue at 40, due to cupping, switch the tire, and had issues with the motor cutting out (fixed under warranty, added 5 years to my warranty) The bike is smooth, and powerful. I absolutely love it.
That's awesome! Glad the tire issue was resolved for you. I have been looking at those M1 lights and might have to pull the trigger on those too. Ride Every Day!
21 Limited. 5 trips to the shop in one yr. Phantom check engine codes, overheating issue, GPS failures (2), TPS failure, failure to start (dead screen). So with all that last riding season it’s going into the shop next week. Any issues after that and it’s up for sale.
@@chiefjoseph8154 oh wow that’s unfortunate… I would do the same in that situation. Hopefully all those issues have been resolved and you end up with a great riding season for 24.
@@FinesseTheChallenger those bag lights came in, I put them on (very easy install) and rode in the dark last night with them, my buddy following me was very impressed with the added visibility especially with the blinker.
@@richardpace2484 good stuff! For the lights to be as small as they are they throw out some good light, now you gotta get your buddy lit up too… he/she knows someone that can install them🤣
Thanks, I had thought about it and of course I would love to do a comparison and give my opinions on the two. More than likely I will be testing them out during Daytona.
Question: is this the "cost of ownership" or should this video be titled the "Cost of Upgrades" Great video...but when you say the cost of ownership, I think of tires, oil changes you know...the cost of ownership....
JK, I appreciate you checking out the video, and I can see what you mean. However, all of those prices are variable depending on individual locations taxes, shipping, fees, etc... Also, at the end of the breakdown I estimated that it would be around $45K including oil changes, taxes, etc... As far as tires, I am still on the tires (after 1 year) that the motorcycle came with so there would be no cost associated, but I understand your position.
I have a '23 Pursuit, and am wanting some lower fairing speakers. Did you get the 50 watt speakers? I thought about the new 100 watts with the glow for my lowers, but my dealer said in order to put those on, I would have to have the 100 watt speakers in the upper fairing first. I'm not too sure about paying big bucks for speakers where my bike already has some.
At the time that I upgraded my lower speakers the new 100 watt versions were not out yet. I will tell you that on the Mrs. Finesse's Challenger Elite with only 4 speakers her system has more depth and seems louder than what I have on my Pursuit with 6 speakers. Upgrading will always cost more than having it in OEM and I have thought about upgrading to the 8 speaker 600 watt system and if I do I will absolutely do a video to see how it compares to the old system.
@FinesseTheChallenger Please do. I don't mind spending the money if it's worth it. Volume isn't my biggest concern, but more clarity would be nice. Sounds like the new 100w speakers are more than just volume. Plus my wife and often I ride at night, and I bet that glow looks pretty cool.
Things I wish I could change on the Challenger-
50lb weight reduction - fairing support, wheels, engine covers, swingarm are too heavy. replace metal fenders with carbon fiber
hand control size & especially turn signals should mimic Harley. These controls are uncomfortably big and wear large size gloves. The plastic housings are horrible, cheap quality, fragile and expense. All 4 pieces cost ~ $900 just for the shells compared to Harley's aluminum ones at ~ $250.
Turning radius - increase range of motion when going lock to lock
Oh man, that’s a list. I know there are carbon fiber parts for the challenger for everything but the fuel tank. I agree I don’t care too much for the plastic housings on the controls as far as weight …compared to HD IMC is noticeably lighter on almost every model. I’ve taken these bikes apart and i can honestly say I have no idea where they could shave weight but I’m no engineer 🤣. Thanks for your comment 🤙🏿 I am really curious to see what’s coming for 2025!
I love riding but the prices of these motorcycles are outrageous. To think some people are spending half of their yearly wages on a motorcycle and paying a high price in financing is beyond me.
I enjoy riding as well, and everyone's situation is different. I always tell people to shop around for the best prices whether that's new, used, or even a different state. However, as adults we have to make our own decisions despite what I or anyone else thinks but that's a whole other conversation. Thanks for checking out the video.
Great video Bro! Love the background!
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching the video JJ!
See
I love Indian
The look, the ride, the power.
Harley has a wide range of after market and service available and that’s really the itch that keeps me leaning HD.
But wow what a ride
Good stuff, the IMC aftermarket has been steadily increasing and while I don’t think it will be as expansive as HD there is more than enough to make your ride what you want it to be. Appreciate your thoughts…valid🤙🏿
@@FinesseTheChallenger ~ yeah! I was pleasantly surprised to hear all the upgrades you were talking about!
Radio is a + for the weather channel.Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
With the advancements in cellphone technology and other alert systems if there is any adverse weather as long as your phone is connected to your motorcycle the alerts will come though the speakers. However, if you live in tornado alley or an area subject to adverse weather, I could see how the radio would be beneficial and, in that case, I would like the antenna to be a bit more stylish than a traditional "whip" style... just to make it fit the overall theme of the bike. Again, not a deal breaker but just a nit picking type of thing. Thanks for checking out the video!
Excellent video and amazing looking bike!
I appreciate it, thanks for checking out the video and supporting the channel 🤙🏿
EXCELLENT Video!!! Kuryakyn heal shifter on my RM is great... Lets me move my foot freely!! You covered your bike in plain english and explained a lot how/why.
Thanks!!! I’ve seen the shifter from Kuryakyn when I was doing research. I appreciate you checking out the video🤙🏿
Thanks for the video Finesse! I recently bought my 2023 DH Pursuit Premium Pkg. I was riding and still ride a BMW K1600B. Some of the things I wish the Pursuit had that are standard on my Beemer are the integrated brakes and quick shifter. Doing my next visit to my dealer, I'm replacing the hand controls with the dark brake and clutch levers as well as backlit controls.
Noice, I too thought about switching the controls but never got around to it. I am sure it will make the overall look of the bike come together. One day when I grow up I'll have multiple bikes, right now Mrs. Finesse has two and I only have one LOL.
Great video and I agree with all of the improvements! Specifically the Clutch and brake levers!!!! I’ll share with other Challenger / Pursuit riders, I worked with Bob Cole (see FB and the Groups) - he cut my levers back a bit and powdered them gloss black. Love the look, no danger to clutch operation. The next thing is break the code on the ECM! So much more this engine gives….and lastly, great job on improving the audio, horrible job on the cost, and amount of separate orders you have to finish the project. It should not be that confusing to add to the lower fairing (even my dealer had trouble on quoting what exactly was needed!). The price difference to add aftermarket vs building is crazy. All that said… I love the bike!!!
Thanks! The 2024 touring model lineup has now expanded to include audio packages that provide up to a 600 watt audio system expandable to 800 watts at a somewhat lower cost. I agree there was some confusion as to the complete components that I needed to add the lower fairing audio, I had to take a couple trips to my dealership. As far as the ECM, I too am interested as well to see what is going to happen (with references to the Lloyd's tunes etc...) with that with the advent of possible EPA changes coming.
👍100% agree with your wishlist.
Hopefully at some point those wishes will come true so I can make more wishes LOL
thx for the TCO review.
I'm waiting on my used 22 pursuit DH premium silver quartz to be delivered. only had 1k miles w/ Rinehart exhaust.
still expensive @ $28k, but skipped all the dealer fee add ons.
I'll pay attention to make sure to address any of those warranty issues early.
Copy that, overall, the Pursuit is really a solid bike and I have enjoyed every minute of it. TBH $28K with only 1K miles seems like a great deal for what you get with the motorcycle.
Bruh. Garage goals right there homie!
hahaha, I'm trying!
Good to see the breakdown, I'd be saving on the oil changes and other routine maintenance. I do all my vehicle's changes including my two bikes, myself. I just don't like the hassle of taking a vehicle in to do it when I can usually do it in 20 minutes or so and save money to boot.
Absolutely, I have done an oil change on a motorcycle once and it is actually quite simple. However, since it was my first time doing it, I was in pure panic mode thinking about if I had done it properly (I did) but for peace of mind I still take mine to the dealership.
Great info Finesse. you are so right about the ride, it is great...
Thanks, for whatever reason IMC and Fox really did their homework with the spring rates.
@@FinesseTheChallenger waiting to see what Indian comes out with next now that the envelope is being pushed higher...
Yeah but we might have to wait until the next body style which I believe will be 2025🤷🏾♂️
I concur with you 💯. You hit the nail on the head in every category. Awesome Video. Continue to ride safe. #Indian4Life
I appreciate it, all we can do is ask. I would love to hang out with the engineers and designers!
Exactly. I’m really hoping that one day you could and that they will take the riders concerns seriously. Overall great bike. The best one that I had thus far but that wheel wobble and tour pack is a no no. I must admit that there are more pros than cons but the cons can definitely be corrected. Hopefully, they will see this video and make the proper corrections with all the dislikes that you’ve mentioned and in which I agree with. :)@@FinesseTheChallenger
Nice review keep up the good work
Thanks!
Great vid! The current Indians are really nice.
- 2006 Victory Touring Cruiser
Thanks, did you get the Vic brand new? I’ve seen some really nice ones recently.
24hrs with the engineers wow that's a good one. I'll have to get the notepad for that 😂 cool video dawg 🤜🏾💨🤛🏾
HAHAHAHA, it's not going to happen but... you know I got that camera ready 🔥🔥🔥
I have a 2022 Pursuit Limited, Crimson and Maroon. It is my first touring bike as I've always ridden cruisers. I don't have a heel shifter, but I'm thinking about getting one but not through Indian, I've seen aftermarket brands that offer more room. The highway pegs from what I've seen from DMV Solorider would be too short for me. I went with the KST 4" pullback bars, and they're perfect for me. As far as the trunk liner and antenna, I totally agree. The liner fits horribly, and the first thing I did as I got ready to leave the dealership was to remove the antenna.
Great video, and I do enjoy when an owner will give an opinion that isn't all roses and unicorns.
I like those red and chrome Pursuit's those are some good-looking machines. I think IMC did a great job on the platform however, there is room for some minor improvements as with most things. Overall though it really is a solid platform and when using the bike for what it's actually made for (cruising) it is an excellent experience. Thanks for checking out the video DM.
Nice review. I have the ‘23 Pursuit also. I have the front wheel issue at times. It will come and go based on tire pressure. When I’m 1 to 2 pounds over on front and back it’s stable at 40 mph. At or under, I get that decel wobble at 40 mph. Overall though, it’s a great ride. Honestly I think I only have 1 wish and that would be I’d like the option backrest to match my diamond stitch seat. It’s honestly almost the perfect bike. Thanks for the video.
Thank you, and I also think the bike is on the brink of perfection as it currently sits, IMC did a great job with the Challenger/Pursuit models.
Go to the indian pursuit forum, one person said he had the wobble effect around 40 mph and went to dealer and got a new front tire and fixed the problem. Check it out
Tighter turns. I don't like heel shifters either. 6x9 saddle bag speakers
Cue! Tighter turns would be ok as long as it didn't compromise the ride which IMO for a touring bike is more important. I also do not like heel shifters LOL and IDK bout 6X9 speakers because it would add weight to the lid when opening. I think they could add more sound or sound options without going "that big" on the saddlebag speakers. Then again you don't know what you don't know and I haven't heard a pair of 6X9's on an Indian Motorcycle it might sound great lol.
Oh give me time with the Brains 🧠 in IMC PLEASE!!! .. also I don't like heel shifters either brother!!
Yessir!!!!! I have so many questions and curiosities about these machines, I think it would be an absolute blast!
Hogworkz has some really nice liners for the saddle bags and the trunk. I have the same bike as you and was able to buy them with the silver stitching. Really made a difference in dressing up the bike
I checked with them previously and I didn't see any options for tour pack liners but that was a while ago so I will have to check again, thanks.
I traded in my Harley and ended up buying the same bike as what you have. I purchased the bag and trunk inserts from Hogworkz about two weeks ago. They have the saddle bag inserts listed as the 2022 however there was no change in the 2023 models according to their support.
Ah yes, I’ll check it out. Thanks!
Those indian mirrors... the 1s shaped like indian heads. Only ever been chrome. Never offered in black / Darkhorse.
Ah yes… I recall those
Cool video. However, modifying a bike because of personal preference does not equate to "cost of ownership." Cost of ownership means how much it costs on an annual basis for routine maintenance i.e. oil changes, air filter, tires, repairs, etc.
Copy that, which would have been about $600 in oil changes. Definitely needed a better title lol
@@FinesseTheChallenger It's all good man.
I have a 22 Pursuit DH premium (Spirit Blue Metallic). I am in the process of getting blacked out clutch and brake levers done. I have about 12,700 miles on my bike and still enjoy the seat, however they want a premium for the backrest and mounting (sold separately). I also just upgraded the headlight, have the Bryant M1 bag lights coming, and put the IMC mid rise bars on 2 weeks ago (still not sure I love them). My bike had the wobble issue at 40, due to cupping, switch the tire, and had issues with the motor cutting out (fixed under warranty, added 5 years to my warranty) The bike is smooth, and powerful. I absolutely love it.
That's awesome! Glad the tire issue was resolved for you. I have been looking at those M1 lights and might have to pull the trigger on those too. Ride Every Day!
21 Limited. 5 trips to the shop in one yr. Phantom check engine codes, overheating issue, GPS failures (2), TPS failure, failure to start (dead screen). So with all that last riding season it’s going into the shop next week. Any issues after that and it’s up for sale.
@@chiefjoseph8154 oh wow that’s unfortunate… I would do the same in that situation. Hopefully all those issues have been resolved and you end up with a great riding season for 24.
@@FinesseTheChallenger those bag lights came in, I put them on (very easy install) and rode in the dark last night with them, my buddy following me was very impressed with the added visibility especially with the blinker.
@@richardpace2484 good stuff! For the lights to be as small as they are they throw out some good light, now you gotta get your buddy lit up too… he/she knows someone that can install them🤣
Beautiful Indian
Thanks!
Love the bike. Is there anyway you can compare it to the new Harley Road Glide?
Thanks, I had thought about it and of course I would love to do a comparison and give my opinions on the two. More than likely I will be testing them out during Daytona.
MY MAN , YOU TOTALLY LOST CONTROL..........
I have '18 RM and absolutely no technical issues, oil I change myself and more often than needed
Niiiice, the 111/116 is really solid
Question: is this the "cost of ownership" or should this video be titled the "Cost of Upgrades" Great video...but when you say the cost of ownership, I think of tires, oil changes you know...the cost of ownership....
JK, I appreciate you checking out the video, and I can see what you mean. However, all of those prices are variable depending on individual locations taxes, shipping, fees, etc... Also, at the end of the breakdown I estimated that it would be around $45K including oil changes, taxes, etc... As far as tires, I am still on the tires (after 1 year) that the motorcycle came with so there would be no cost associated, but I understand your position.
I have a '23 Pursuit, and am wanting some lower fairing speakers. Did you get the 50 watt speakers?
I thought about the new 100 watts with the glow for my lowers, but my dealer said in order to put those on, I would have to have the 100 watt speakers in the upper fairing first. I'm not too sure about paying big bucks for speakers where my bike already has some.
At the time that I upgraded my lower speakers the new 100 watt versions were not out yet. I will tell you that on the Mrs. Finesse's Challenger Elite with only 4 speakers her system has more depth and seems louder than what I have on my Pursuit with 6 speakers. Upgrading will always cost more than having it in OEM and I have thought about upgrading to the 8 speaker 600 watt system and if I do I will absolutely do a video to see how it compares to the old system.
@FinesseTheChallenger Please do. I don't mind spending the money if it's worth it. Volume isn't my biggest concern, but more clarity would be nice. Sounds like the new 100w speakers are more than just volume.
Plus my wife and often I ride at night, and I bet that glow looks pretty cool.
Yeah those ProGLOW lights are nice
What about the fuel consumption?
The pursuit gets like 200 something miles to a tank… I’ll do a video on it with more detail