Polyphonic Overtones MADNESS! Opera Singer breaks down how through software!
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
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Many of you know how much of a vocal nerd I am, and many more know that I compose and produce my own music (music covers, video game soundtracks, and more!) So having the opportunity to hop into some software and show you Anna-Maria Hefele singing in polyphonic overtones and show you WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. . . is my bag of tea!
Join professional opera singer Elizabeth Zharoff, as she breaks down Anna-Maria Hefele singing in polyphinic overtones for the first time on the channel!
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Elizabeth Zharoff is an international opera singer and voice coach, with 3 degrees in voice, opera, and music production. She's performed in 18 languages throughout major venues in Europe, America, and Asia. Currently based somewhere between Los Angeles and Tucson, Arizona, Elizabeth spends her days researching voice, singing, teaching, writing music, and recording TONS. She also plays Diablo and Dungeons & Dragons.
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Get her on a teatime chat that would be very interesting to hear you talk with her about this.
@@bobbycollins6783 A Tea Time collaboration between Elizabeth and Anna Maria? A polyphonic duet? Sounds very cool! Let's get to it!
*_I've tried to do overtones with growl and shrieks but my voice can't take it, it just..."stops"._*
OMW to your merch store now. Ive never made a suggestion before because you cover such a good variety. One band/singer came to mind today though. Daniel Heiman from the band Lost Horizon...I feel Youd love it!
Please react to Break Like The Wind by Spinal Tap Or Stonhenge by Spinal Tap. The Folksmen are also great, try Old Joe's Place or Never Did No Wandrin' Fantastic performances live.
As a musician and sound engineer, this woman's talent amazes me. She's basically a human quantizer + resonance filter all rolled into one. I've used control voltage to "play a filter" on high resonance, using the upper harmonics as an Oscillator, but this woman is doing it with her voice! I'm speechless!
28:23 With those "weaker" notes, I noticed that the fundamental is also weaker. To me (I'm a mixing engineer, so I encounter this in my day to day often enough) that indicates--and I'm also hearing--phase cancellation. It's not that she's failing to produce the notes, its that she's doing it so well that the sounds are actually cancelling each other out.
that harmonics will also stack at certain frequencies as the "overtones" will have their own overtones (in favourable conditions). So even overtones will naturally be louder than odd overtones.
Screaming is a form of adding overtones to “original notes” in a way as well so!😀😊
If I ever wanted to have some fun with a sound mixer I would produce overtones. They initially thought it was some kind of feedback and then they couldn't really hear what was happening.
Interesting. I am sure it sounds much different to her than to the recording.
I notice more differences in level here in Elizabeth's review video than in the original video.
I do notice varying levels in the harmonic as it varies from the fundamental.
Makes me wonder how far the mic is from her to produce the cancellation effect.
Thx.
I had the chance to work with her on stage as sound tech for a group she sings with (2 of the musicians of this group are friends of mine), seeing her at just 1 meter away from me was really incredible and is very difficult to explain. Simply amazing and hypnotic.
Here is an example of the ensemble:
czcams.com/video/s4BJ3wng6Mk/video.html
This woman's vocal control absolutely blows my mind. I can't even fathom being able to do this with with level of control.
Watching you entirely geek out over this is wholesome as heck!
Ever since I first heard a Tuvan throat singer I have messed around with overtone singing from time to time, but I'm about where you are in that I can pick a fundamental and after working on it some can work out a melody with the overtones. My overtones aren't anywhere near as clear as hers, or other overtone singers I've heard. But hearing her control over both the movement of the fundamental and overtone blew my mind just like it did yours.
Our cats freaked out at the last section. Male and female were fascinated, searching for the source; and then, despite both being 'fixed', they engaged in the preliminaries of copulating. I kept replaying it to see them acting this way, which went on for several minutes! Never seen anything like it! Thanks for another great vid, EZ!
I have no idea how Anna-Maria's video got into my recommendations & I was impressed, but WOW, after your visual presentatin I am just floored! Amazing to actually see what we are hearing! Thank you so much!
This made me realize that you haven't checked out Lalah Hathaway. The most commonly referenced song would be Snarky Puppy feat. Lalah Hathaway - Something. Should be interesting.
Up!
I second this... Lalah is incredible (and Snarky Puppy too!)
Absolutely. That was, where I heard overtone singing for the first time and I nearly missed it, as my mind was still blown by her amazing scatting
Yes great idea! Would love to see this.
Yes yes. Lala. So impressive
This is amazing.
That clear, high tone reminds me of using wine glasses and a finger to resonate sound in a bell like,circular motion
This girl should marry Will Ramos, that way their kids can communicate with the aliens without any special kind of equipment.
@@tonhos2480 Oh, really? Aint you so smart yet fail to recognize a joke....
They'll be singing from their ear holes instead.
aliens and whales
😂😂😂😂
Not sure what I just listened to, but I think my mind has just expanded beyond capacity.
A perfect video, thank you so much for this educational and fun experience! I have seen all of Anna-Maria's videos but you have given so much new context and helpful information to what she's doing, especially with the visuals. I am excited now because with the visuals I am able to practice my overtone singing with spectrograms (free to use online) and I have already been seeing improvements! Thanks so much! :D
Your enthusiasm, knowledge, insight, and clear expression are all inspiring. Thank you!
Old video but amazing voice techniques. Another old, amazing voice video - Tom Thum beatbox brilliance 🎤
Amazing analysis! Thank you so much for sharing this information. It will help me as I begin my own practice 😊
Genghis Blues is a 1999 American documentary film directed by Roko Belic. It centers on the journey of blind American singer Paul Pena to the isolated Russian Republic of Tuva to pursue his interest in Tuvan throat singing.
Overtone singing should not be confused with throat singing, in spite of the fact that many throat singing techniques comprise overtone singing. As mentioned, overtone singing involves the careful manipulations of the vocal tract, whereas throat singing is mostly related to the voice source.
Thanks for this.
That is a fantastic documentary. Highly recommend it.
@@visualdragon Paul was a treasure. His version of Jet Airliner... Miller's is watered down and lacks any swing, still good. czcams.com/video/MmIJC65VWYk/video.html&ab_channel=PTXVideos
@@visualdragon Aha, you two folks were the other ones that saw the film!!!
i didnt realize you'd broken down this video. every time i see it it absolutely blows my brain right out my nose. so impressive
I wonder how long it took Anna to not only learn how to do this. Then practice to get this good
I learned a lot watching this, thank you so much for doing this
What I find even more mind-blowing is, you can combine this with any kind of singing, since for every vowel at any pitch, the second formant can be tuned to a nearby overtone to amplify it. Yon can then compose lyrics in a way that they create nice overtone harmonies. It's not going to be as loud as in this video, but still audible. This is because in order to get it that loud, one needs to lower the 3rd formant to combine it with the 2nd one, which creates an overall "r"-like sound and sacrifice some of the higher resonances, i.e. the full and bright qualities of the voice. Without those sacrifices, an intense and well-tuned 2nd formant really makes the voice shine.
Ooo this video is going to be a lot of fun!
So glad you covered this topic and Anna-Maria.
I'm looking forward to this!
Hi Elizabeth, this overtone singing performance by Anna-Maria was amazing. Her technique and skills were truly extraordinary. Thank you, Elizabeth!!! 💙
I don't remember what YT rabbit hole I fell down that brought me to that video but it also brought me to The Hu & you.
Very well explained! Thank you 🙏
😁 this is so wholesome! I watched Anna-Maria's video and felt like I had just witnessed a miracle. Good to see I'm not the only one who's overwhelmed. On top of it, you have a very pleasant speaking voice. I don't usually listen to female CZcamsrs because many of us women have annoyingly high-pitched voices (sorry girls), but yours is really nice.
Wow, thank you so much!
If there's ever been a Tea Time Interview *SCREAMING* to happen, this is it... OH MY DAYS!
I am so happy that you're looking at/listening to her and examining her technique so thoroughly! She blew my mind the first time I stumbled onto her videos (and every time since!). Thank you, CZcams algorithm. Thank YOU Elizabeth for exploring this! 💜💜💜
In my intro physics class, we discuss the frequency spectra produced by strings and pipes. I demonstrate overtones with a poor version of the type of polyphonic singing she does first. I'm very far from her ability, but you can see the "brightening" of the overtones in the frequency analyzing app I use.
I love the little hop at 3:01!
You’re the most adorable nerd I’ve ever seen in my life. I cannot get enough!
i just watched the original video,then this one came up in my feed! so happy! i was thinking ...i wonder what CV would say about this ...and here it is!
I am so so so soooo glad you covered this. I came across this video (and others) by Anna-Maria a number of years back, and you just made it that much better.
I like how she also modulates the beat frequency.
Incredible!
Oh, I can't miss THIS.
I remember seeing her video 3 years ago, I was like WTF!? She's unbelievable!
I saw it what seems like a decade or more ago. It is awesome.
Very exciting video. Would be thrilled to see more "scientific" videos like this. For example, how different timbres look like, male vs female, depending on the genre (opera vs rock), stylistic choices of one singer (tender vs powerful, belting, airy etc)
Also, I was searching sometimes how instruments like trombone work. Essentially the same. I spent several hours searching for worthy content. Could be an idea as well. About showing how different instruments work and phonate
Mind completely BLOWN!!!
This is utterly amazing !!! I heard it the first time from Mongolian throat singer , totally blown away what the human body is capable of !!!.
Her video came across my YT randomly today and 🤯. I had no idea this was even possible. It almost sounds alien.
Thanks, I had fun to sing for the first time overtone for the last 5 days with a lot of questions. Questions mostly because I saw Anna-maria video and I have a lot of doubt about the power of her overtones compare to mine. I found and used 'friture' free software on my PC at the same time that watching your great video. I checked if I got the same spectrogram than you and then check with my own voice doing overtone to see if I was really making it... (Ya about a half power of my fundamental)
Hahaha That is so great, I'm pretty good but as a beginner it's hard to ear my own overtone and maintain them so that I can realize they are there and could work the resonance to gain power.
Eventually in few hour from you video, I was able to gain power on my overtone (same level than the fundamental so far for me, but not consistent at all; and I'm still so impress by some of her which are higher than the bass).
And bonus I made a first modulation of my overtone without to move the fundamental, I was able to repeat and loop on then.
I don't know much about music but visualisation/tool with your explanation made it happens.
Thanks again!
There's a really cool mri video of anna-maria singing, its worth a watch
This was mind blowing.
For some listening pleasure with this type of singing you should listen to The Accacha Chronicles by Nicholas Lens. He is using a choir of polyphonic singers on several compositions on that album.
I Literally learned polyphonic singing from Anna-Maria! *SQUEE* So happy to see her here!
Also I beleive you did a short Snippet of Avi Kaplan in concert with PTX using this technique. I also know that you have complimented Avi's resonance. I think his understanding of controlling that resonance (to a degree) plays into that.
I played this video over and over for a month until I could do a very basic version of this. She is phenomenal!
Are you familiar with polyphonic singers? like the beatboxer known as Stitch for example? dude sings CHORDS! highly recommend for anyone with a passing interest in vocal nerdism
Stitch is incredible, anyone reading should look up his song “Feels Like Nothing” if you want to have your mind blown, then don’t forget to upvote this comment.
I always wanted to suggested Beatboxer s! You would love showgo, stitch, dudz, gene, just to name a few more melodic beatboxers... If you would like to dive into more percussive beatboxers go to colaps, river, footbox g. On top please watch d-low he is just insane...I just named a few. There is so much going on in the beatbox world... For specific video suggestions just ask...
Also The Suitcase Junket, though he does it while he also plays the drums and the guitar at the same time.
Stich or SHOW-GO would be amazing. I feel like SHOW-GO's stuff would be a better starting point for this channel, since he makes "actual songs". Stich makes songs too, but they still feel a bit less cohesive, more like technique showcases than "proper songs". D-Low is a necessity if the aim is just to check out insane technique (30 basses is a nice showcase)
Yaaassss!!! Every time she goes giggly when we get a beatbox segment in an a capella reaction I mean to recommend she review analyze a full blown BBox perfornace, but always forget by the time the video is over :)
Ive seen Anna’s idea before and am truly amazed! I have been practicing polyphonic overtones singing for 3 weeks now. I’ve gotten good enough where I’m able to distinguish sometimes 5-7 overtones per fundamental tone. Im nowhere near Anna with how clean her voice is and how talented she is. I giggle when I’m able to hit the overtone really well. I notice depending on which note I’m singing for a certain fundamental tone, the overtone is a lot stronger. Than other notes. I’ve performed in a band and have been singing for over 3 decades. I was so stoked to discover this and couldn’t believe this was even possible. I love learning this technique and can only hope to achieve what Anna is doing! Love what you’re doing using the spectrogram to visually see what’s happening. Was wondering if you know or have seen this person who seems to be the only one achieving these super base sub frequencies that I’ve found, and would be interested to see this video analyzed on your program. Here’s a link to a video I’ve found of this guy. He’s taking polyphonic overtones to another level!
czcams.com/users/shortsWutlSRzrKiI?si=D2pFQzdx2G56v_4e
finally, i suggestes you this video YEARS ago x"D
Crazy and impressive. Thank you for sharing Elizabeth!
That is so bizzare. I think it's been something I've been able to do for a long time but I never identified it as throat singing until now. I was mucking around (still)trying to develop the kagura rumble and then experimenting adding things I do know. Anna-Maria is just so much better at it though!
love the overtone singing. what a technique. one of the best
She inspired me to get into throat singing!
unbelievable...simply unbelievable 😲
i remember you talking about that banshee scream noise once, and when i saw this video i had to think of it: 'Sylvaine - "Mørklagt" vocal play-through & screaming tutorial' :) have fun
i also could imagine a nice cup of tea with her and you to figure out more about that, you know
It seems that a lot of fun went into making this. 😁
Yes I remember when avi Kaplan from ptx did a video on it too he can also do overtones
I know this is an older video, but i just came across a couple of her videos that I think you'll want to see! A recent one (9 days ago as of this comment) where the frequency/volume information is shown on screen, as well as an older one where she sings Mozart in this style as well as with her normal voice and its shown on MRI. I think, as a music nerd, you will enjoy this one more. It really highlights the tongue movements here. They are both short, so you could easily combine them into one video!
You're absolutely right. You really have to look at the spectrogram to understand what's actually happening. All I can hear is Mongolian throat singing, but I can't really appreciate even half of what's going on. The visualization makes everything super clear, so thanks for that.
Would LOVE to see this software on Shania Twain’s voice. For years I thought her vocals were just heavily processed, a studio trick by hubby/producer Mutt Lange. Then I forgot all about her for a long time. In the last year or two, I watched an interview with her and could hear all the overtone stuff I’d heard on records in her normal speaking voice. Truly a special case!
Liz, I f....ing love you and the way you can express the physical and biological inner workings of a voice. It erases all frustration I ever felt trying to describe a composition or performance
And on another note, isn´t it a property of sound to resonate stronger with less effort on higher frecuencies?. Whales rely on really high frequencies to communicate longest distances because of the nature of the medium. I think that goes for any kind of wave, the light of the tiniest stars reach us in the higher frecuencies, but a very large star only reach us on the lowet frequencies.
Wow! How cool is that? And seeing in the spectrogram the absolutely clear harmonics is amazing!! I'm really curious for this one. And it's clear - you need to convince her to let you have look inside her throat when creating these polyphonic sounds 🧐 😉
I’m pretty sure this technique is done with the shape of the mouth, creating resonances to amplify naturally occurring overtones in the voice until they stand out distinctly. Different shapes are used to amplify different overtones in the series. So no throat cam needed to analyze. (Will also did a bit of this technique with the throat camera, just with less control over the overtones.)
There is actually a video of her here on CZcams where she shows recordings of her mouth and throat while singing that were made in a lab. It's some kind of presentation - I'd have to look it up, but I think it should be easy to find.
Edit: Here it is - czcams.com/video/FYcGpyQEI8M/video.html
But someone already mentioned it in the comments here, too. I used to "recommend" her to fans of Pentatonix who commented on Avi Kaplan's overtone singing. :)
@@ulrichvonbek1618 thanks for the link, I'm gonna start trying this out! I was going to comment about sticking a camera in her throat but from the tedx video it appears that would be pointless...
@@ulrichvonbek1618 Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
The clear harmonics, perhaps fundamental, second and third, even an uneducated singer lile myself can do. Over/undertones, with a bit of self training I conviced myself that it is indeed possible.
Mindblowing
I would love to see you isolate the overtones and the fundamentals so we can hear the difference between the two sometime! How freaking cool that would be!
Actually it's a very simple technique. I've learned to pick up just by watching Anna Marie's video while moving my tongue around to find the clearest overtone pitch. I picked it up in a few months. Once you have established it, ya get hooked on doing it. I have a 5.33 octave range and some nodules, so I need to be careful! This style of singing is so mesmerizing and kinda brings ya into a meditative state! Amazing!
It is not enough to be able to sing polyphony. We also need to beautifully fit it into music that we understand.
czcams.com/video/Y_GcZgFCNJE/video.html
czcams.com/video/Zy8hCma4WdM/video.html
@@arperamop this is true. With right technique and practice it can be done. In my case learning this technique maybe challenging for me at this time because I'm legally deaf and learn to go off on vibrations and making sure I'm on the right track.
with yourself and William Dart of Radio New Zealand - my musical world has now grounded
Thank you
Damn! She is skilled beyond belief.
Addendum: Just had a f-ing Nightingale drop dead from the bush outside my window. Last thing I heard was "I can't match her sonogram".
@The Charismatic Voice @Kirk McCune link in description links to 2minutes 35 seconds into the original video. (t=155)
Your explanation of hertz touched on piano ....and standard western tuning .....not all music throughout history was based on that scale .....and "step notation" .....I would love to see an episode on things such as Gregorian and native American flute. "Systems" of music.
you are an amazing teacher about how this all works
Loved that this entire video was a combination of nerding out and technical explanations.
This is indeed completely insane❤
Her breath control is amazing
Holy F#! Very impressive jaw dropper. Special thanks for showing this in a spectrogram; makes it much easier to understand.
Glad you finally got to Anna-Maria. She's amazing and always thought it would be right up your alley
Have to love a video with some Wakka Wakka Wakka 😁 . From a completely non technical person, is this related in any way to doing the 'Chewbacca growl' that's two sounds at the same time?
At last a reaction to this well done
Hey Elizabeth, thank you for this piece of nerdy vocal science! Not only really interesting and amazing, it's also been very much fun watching this video 🙂 Please keep on interspersing this vocal science stuff.
Whoa, I remember this video. So cool to hear it analyzed!
Damn, this is my first time watching the video and just by listening I'm already starting to be able to pull out overtones. I'm surprised I never realized that I was aware of the overtone to my voice until watching this.
Yeah, once you get a feeling for what the overtones sound like, you can hear them all over the place. What's interesting is that the balance between the different overtones (that is, how loud they are, both compared to the fundamental, and each other) make up the timber of an instrument/voice.
The difference between piano, guitar, violin, and marimba basically just comes down to what overtones are produced along with the fundamental, and how loud they all are.
That was great thanks!
Could you also do one for "Yma Sumac"? I'm really curious about the voice science for that one :)
Check out Ghengis Blues for a documentary of a blues singer who performs Tuvan throat singing. Another to check out is the music of The Suitcase Junket. Also polyphonic singing in his one man band blues.
Honey, I have been around classical music for better than 7 decades and in audio work for 4 (live sound mixer), and have never even heard of this before, let alone heard it.
Harmonics (overtones) yes of course. But not nearly to this extreme.
However, you indicated this is far from unique, there are cultures that practice this.
BTW, My RTA shows the fundamentals and the 'overtone' clearly but also some other harmonics that are not nearly as audible.
(Like you, I pull out some gear or software to help visualize)
Fantastic work. I came across her first, then your review. Thank you very very much. Youn are awesome.
Buster
wow - just wow! incredible singer - love the analysis
Would love for you to analyse Tulia please! Amazing example of slavic singing
I think this is the giddiest I've ever seen Elizabeth!
What a super fascinating video! Would love to see that software and Elizabeth's analysis used for a singer like Diamanda Galas.
I've shared this vid of hers on my Facebook in the past as impressive as it is. Even more impressive is the combination of her vid with your reason and analysis. Especially with your explanations of the science part of it. This has been an amazing video.
Such terrific fun! Nothing like a musical nerdfest. Thanks, I needed a good smile after a HOT day at work. Twas too cool! :)
I am going to suggest this every video you upload, or until you do it. Pantera domination! Please!
So does this mean you are going to do it or that I should keep commenting? 😂
Ok, we're going to need to nerd it up even more, going beyond even Operation: Throat Cam to Operation: Sinus fMRI
This is amazing!!!
Folket Bortafor Nordavinden is my favorite Throat Singer.
If you watch her videos she gives recommendations for other amazing overtone singers and a history of throat singing in general. While she is exceptional there are others who aren't as well known or don't stand out because it seems more expected of them culturally to be able to do it (such as Mongolian or Tuvan). Overtone singing in general isn't that exceptional, even I can do it, it's her control of what she calls polyphonic singing (controlling the overtone and fundamental independently in a musical way) that is impressive.
I only watched a quarter of this because I've already seen this type of analysis on Anne-Marie's channel - although it's nice that this channel is sharing it with more people.
Anna-Maria Hefele gehört definitiv zu den Talentiertesten
Ms. Anna-Maria Hefele seems to me to be a "human synthesizer" able to control her vocals with her mind rather than knobs or dials !
AMAZING voice control !
Is this genetic, learned or at the highest level ... BOTH ?