@@michimatsch5862 I mean someone already proposed that, but I like to call it "theirstory". Yes, I said "theirstory". I will accept my Nobel Peace Prize now, thank you.
This is gonna make this like when the Australian Bureau of Statistics put out an April Fools page of merch about loving statistics, and all the stats nerds flooded in. I’m gonna screen print myself an Everyone Has a Right to Leave the Jobsite Safely and Intact” shirt
I would keep this shirt in my drawer, so every time I suited up in Ovies to go into the site proper, I could wear this underneath and leave the Ovies open
I play online with a bunch of French speakers who aren't from France (Belgians, Algerians and a bunch of Canadian folks); they all say that French natives will tell you to give up on trying to speak in French with them because your French is shit, whereas Quebec folks will tell you to stop speaking French because you speak it better than them. I straight up have no first hand experience with this, but I've adopted it as a fact.
@@KirillTheBeastIt is false, they won't stop you from speaking French, they'll answer in English instead to practice. They'll only jump on someone who speaks English if they live here or if they're doing a service job and start in English rather than French. There's no Québécois alive that will stop someone from speaking French.
As a black Zimbabwean who is also a migrant, I really appreciate your non-racist and human approach to these issues - life first then race, ethnicity, religion, migration status, political leaning etc and all these other things later. Also, thank you November/Alice for the Rhodesia episode - it was one of the first I listened to😊
Its the Blue party that keeps stirring the pot, by pointing fingers at the white folk and telling them theyre the problem, by one old pastey white man.
I'm a black, HBCU-educated, retired mechanical engineer with family in Baltimore...the news around this incident hit home for me in a major way. I've spent most of the last couple of weeks explaining to laymen why "bridge fall down" and why DEI didn't destroy Boeing or Harvard or bridge or 'murica. 😐
I can't believe how much bull crap like that I saw online then I remembered what Elon did to Twitter so I assumed the worst voices are being amplified... I had the app deleted but redownload it for news like this only to be enundated with complete brain rot. It is disgusting like we are in Idiocracy. I didn't know ppl were using DEI as basically a code word now. Thank you for educating these people but I feel bad it even has to be done
Yes, can understand that. I even felt that way when the powerplant next to my city (Nijmegen) was demolished, and I hated that thing. And a (big) bridge is a true landmark and a thing of beauty. Also it must suck for traffic and travel.
I'm having an embarrassingly hard time remembering its November now, but i know it isnt Alice, so my brain splits the difference and keeps insisting "oh yeah, it must be Autumn!"
Would you guys maybe consider doing an episode on the Bijlmer? It's the neighbourhood of Amsterdam that was supposed to be the most advanced "city of the future", only to collapse entirely, become the city's nastiest and least safe area, and then have an Israeli Boeing flight crash into it killing at least 43 people. It's a mess and a half and a really fascinating look into the failures of urban development
@@Fullchristainnameto be fair that happened when boeing still knew how to make planes - it happened in 1992, and boeing and mcdonnell-douglas only merged in 1997
What I find interesting is that the roadway just to the right of the ship which is usually in horizontal tension has separated from its vertical supporting structure. Is this the result of decades of salting the roadway or excessive vertical design tension caused by the impact of the ship breaking pin of the most stressed member and unzipping as the next vertical support failed. Was the bridge nearing its end of life? Was it a good time to fail? Why wasn't there a bridge replacement plan ready to implement before the failure?
My grandfather built this bridge as a crane op for Bethlehem Steel. I crossed it every time we went to visit him on Murray Point Rd in Dundalk. It breaks my heart to see it in the water.
Maybe you could ask one of the contractors for a bolt as a keepsake? We take things home all the time as little memories, so they might be able to help you out.
This hits close to home for me as well. I'm a bridge inspector who has worked in Baltimore with a Spanish -speaking work crew from Brawner Builders and I can't help but think some of the crash truck guys were on that crew. 😭
the irony about the conspiracy theorists is that they always miss the one glaringly obvious conspiracy: the conspiracy of greed. We're almost certainly going to find out that the ship lost propulsion because it was inadequately maintained because the owner didn't want to spend money on maintenance. These ships are basically one giant engine strapped to a giant box filled with smaller boxes. They are riddled with single-point failures, because redundancy costs money and capital hates being spent. Lose the one giant engine, and every powered system on the ship stops working because that engine, in addition to powering the screws, also powers the electrical and hydraulic systems needed to operate the ship underway.
I was honestly kinda expecting something along the lines of "well, your problem there is that you shouldn't run a boat into a bridge." followed by 2 hours of silence
This incident simultaneously calls to mind the Sunset Skyway Collapse and the Safety Third where the NYC tunnel crew asked "what happens to us in an emergency" "oh, you die."
my favorite part of this whole ordeal has been realizing that half of the country at this point can't see a single thing happening and not blame bill gates, judaism, vaccines, etc. i can't even take a shit in my own house without someone somewhere thinking bush did it
Nahhh. You just don't get it. The Biden administration is so incompetent that it couldn't get out of a wet paper bag, but can also orchestrate disasters like this every day! These are not opposing statements, they do not contradict each other, never question me.
see i just feel like people in general arent That much more crazy than they used to be, but people online are like 1,000% more crazy than they used to be, yknow a spiders georg situation
I don't think Bush planned anything, but I think he let it happen so he had a reason to go to war in the Middle East. Just look at how fast the Patriot Act, a big comprehensive 2,000 page bill got passed. This incident appears to be just pure bad luck and insufficient imagination for disasters and infrastructure like the gang pointed out.
I absolutely hate the "we should rebuild every part of our infrastructure so those monstrous failures of oversized ships can continue to mess things up anyway" Apparently those ships somehow have negative redundancy. It carries 10000 containers but only has one engine and no batteries to even keep the damn lights on? Nevermind the fact it should be required to have enough battery power to operate the maneuvering thrusters and the rudder for good half an hour,on top of having all crucial comms and navigation systems powered
The mind-boggling thing to me is the speed and the timing. From the moment the ship first lost power to impact with the bridge was about 4 minutes 30 seconds. When the ship lost power, she was passing the outflow of one of the side channels, the current of which may well have contributed to pushing her into the turn. If she'd lost power a little sooner or a little later, she could quite easily have missed the bridge entirely. The cops who closed the bridge were the ones already on-site because of the road work being done; if there hadn't been a work crew out that night they might not have been nearby enough to close the bridge in time -- in some of the footage you can still see trucks crossing in front of the ship very close to the impact. The officer Justin mentions who called for backup: that backup arrived and he was just about to go alert the crew when the bridge came down.
My father tried to speed up entering a freeway to avoid a rolling roadblock just behind us lead by a highway patrol cruiser. I did not want to: -run over a CalTrans worker -run over whatever the CalTrans worker was picking up -find ourselves in the middle of a high speed chase My father decided to fall back behind the cruiser to avoid having to listen to me any more.
*"IM NEURUO DIVERGENT "probably"* I think we can dispense with the "probably" this being literally THE most autistic podcast in history I say this with love as a fellow autistic person but you could change the name to "Well There's Your Autism" and it would only increase the accuracy.
I know Liam mentioned being schizoaffective and schizospec disorders are included under the neurodivergent umbrella Pretty sure November has talked about being autistic before so we only need Rozc and they can voltron.
@@PanAndScanBuddycask wine is the favoured drink of broke students because it's cheaper by volume and alcoholic, there's not much "why" to it (probably to sell the low quality stuff or something)
Realizing that someday they'll have a guest who was actively involved in a major disaster, and the entire episode becomes an extended Safety Third segment.
"Welcome back to Well There's Your News. It's a podcast about news. With slides." "Now before we go any further, we need to talk about..." *"The Goddamn Problem."*
“158-foot beam” “same” “59-foot draft” “same” “95,000 gross tons” “same” “can carry just under 10,000 20-foot equivalent units.” “nah, i can’t do that.” “i can do that!”
"Someone is gonna say the whole crew of the ship was Indian" - idiots talking about it being crewed by "illegals" was one of the first bits of nonsense I heard. Took everything I had to not just shriek "THAT'S NOT HOW INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING WORKS"
@@matsv201 technically true, but the people bringing up the crews' nationality - rather than e.g. intra-crew language barriers in particular such as has been mentioned in previous maritime WTYPs - are mostly just racists looking for an angle to get angry at a world that scares them.
@@williamchamberlain2263 They probably don't even realise the crew will at most only be off said vessel very briefly anyway, if at all. They basically live on the things for their entire contract, the local dock workers do the main chunk of the actual loading and unloading from the dock side itself.
The “I like a big truss” followed by “So does Lamar Jackson” and the Liz Truss joke are probably my favorite succession of jokes done on the show so far lmaoo so funny dude.
In regards to certain people using 'DEI' to describe Baltimore's mayor... They are using DEI as a substitute for another word they seethe that they get in trouble for using. It's why they're pushing that acronym so hard. Sad thing is on Twitter they probably could just use the slur they want to use and receive no push back from Twitter anymore.
I always wondered about this - what kind of trouble do they expect? Like, they can say whatever they want. If they get their teeth kicked in, that's simply a coincidence. Who's actually going to go out of the way to kick their teeth in? I don't say that word, and many more pejoratives besides, because the people that asked me not to use it are people I like and care about. Done and done. But an asshole is an asshole, it doesn't matter if he says "DEI" or the other word, does it? It's not like we don't know they're assholes when they use "DEI" as a pejorative.
@@thomasdjonesn Twitter might not do anything to you, but if your employer discovers you use Twitter to scream slurs you might not have an job anymore. Or maybe family and friends don't want to associate with you. Oh noes. Consequences. Of course, Elon would totally pay for your legal fees if you got fired for posting slurs on Twitter. He always fulfills his promises, right?
Correction, cars CAN be in containers on a ship. Just not new ships. I once helped a neighbor load their Grand Marquis into a 20ft container since they were bringing it with them back to Lebanon
7:00 There's a old folk / country song called "Deportee" that's been covered by Dolly Parton and The Highwayman among others, about a true story of migrant laborers who died in a planw crash and are simply called "deportees" in the newspaper despite being incredibly vital, hard-working people 49:00 The first line of that article "How far should we go in being our brother's keeper?" "Am I my brother's keeper?" was what Cain said to God after murdering his brother Abel
Welcome to the WTYP Action News, our coverage of the disaster continues with Liam reporting from a V22 Osprey over the scene. Not directly over the scene, but above a children's hospital right next to the scene. The weather isn't great, but the pilot is an ex-marine and he seems really confident.
Two things to add. - The VHF should be connected to a Battery with at least 30 minutes of power supply in case of a blackout. - Shortly before they hit the pillar you can see black smoke coming from the funnel probably because the engine was used. The ships starts to turn to starboard suddenly. The reason could be running the engine in reverse which causes the stearn to move to port if the vessel has a right hand propeller.
Check out the maritime charts of the harbour, at the exact moment she lost power they were crossing the west to east outflow and it was high tide during a full moon. Without rudder control, this would basically have booted her in the arse. The big question is where was the backup generator? It should have come on in 47 seconds, and one of its three breakers is connected to the rudder. This is what we need the NTSB report for, if it didn't come on automatically and the crew had to go for the power plant then this is a much much deeper issue than the speculation about fuel or crew mistakes - I won't be surprised to see the words "catastrophic failure" in that report.
There's probably some sort of flowchart where if you get radicalized by trains, you become a Marxist Leninist and if you are radicalized by guns, you become an anarchist. I'm the rare species of redneck who was radicalized because of Socialist Rifle Association but became an ML
Fellow Philadelphian, but once a resident of Baltimore: Pigtown is a real place. It was close to the Slaughterhouses in Carroll-Camden, and pigs were once commonly herded through the neighborhood.
I am so sorry to say, but as a person who used to have to drive home at 1 am after a long shift, I don't trust that I would have listened to the road closure blockades.
@@MVHiltunen “let’s play” like where you watch (in this case read, as it was a screenshot LP) someone play a game. These are sometimes done in comical fashions.
Love the condescending engineer hubris . "Should be put armor on our roofs?" That's literally what the shingles are, bro. The bridge is insured for ~$80M, but spending another $1M to plop in some basic barricades is silly crazy talk. Welp, it's probably going to cost $150M+ and take a decade to rebuild, so that was $1M well not-spent.
Nitpick: the quote was "Should we put armor plating over houses to protect them from airplanes?" Shingles aren't THAT, and you'd need extremely thick armor plates to defend against the extremely low likelihood of an airplane impact. But his talk was still dumb because a ship hitting a bridge pier is much more likely than an airplane hitting a house. Also, I don't think that as engineering hubris, more the ignorance of people in senior positions about new developments, which the dolphins were at the time.
It’s not a big deal as the Federal Government said it’s picking up the tab for the entire project; Which just means they’re going to just print the money and devalue our dollar with inflation even more.
The Federal Government said it’s paying for the entire project which means they’ll just print the money. That’ll devalue and inflate our money even more.
"Shouldn't there be some pier protection Incase of a ship or barge impact?" "No one's hit the bridge yet" Yet... Also there's many reports of the ship having major electric issues, some to do with the power to the container refrigerator units. Maintenance is going to be a factor in the ship's multiple black-outs
I'm a marine engineer, in my long beach union hall we were just talking about the bridges here and how they were specifically designer to avoid this kind of impact. Only thing we've hit while I was onboard was a gantry crane
I know y'all don't like to cover unfolding disasters, but I think you guys did a pretty good job of covering the facts and giving broader context without irresponsibly speculating. Well done.
It's interesting to hear people talking about how terrifying it is to drive across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Then again, I grew up going back and forth across that bridge since I grew up on Kent Island. The reversible lane on the western span is scary, but they have done well to make it a bit better over the years with better markings and such. Still, it's not fun watching cars come at you the other way. Honestly, when I started seeing conspiracy theories being pushed by folks like Lara Logan about the bridge being targeted, I just laughed. If you really wanted to mess with the economy, you take out the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Not only would you cut off the Port of Baltimore, but you'd do a lot of damage to the tourism industry for years by cutting off the main road to the beaches on the coast.
22:01 I don’t know if this is the most effective counter to Devon’s comment, but there is a video out there of Bin Laden dancing and singing to “Poker Face” and it’s rather bizarre honestly
Newsbrief, what you call a nearly two hour video that reports on an event that happed over a week ago. In other words: neither new nor brief. I love it!
48:48 My house was built with 8" thick reinforced cement brick walls to resist small airplanes because it's near an airport. So, yeah we kinda do armor homes against airplanes. It sucks for Wi-Fi though.
If Elon thinks we can reuse ANY of that steel before reforging, I wonder what the quality is of the steel is that he uses in his cars and rockets!!! (Maybe that’s why the Hyperloop failed….the rails were already stressed beyond their yield point and the tunnels are full of twisted masses of steel and human bodies!!!!
That breakdown of the harbor was mostly accurate- Tradepoint Atlantic is now at Sparrows Point and is the only part of the Port functioning, but Roz, you nailed pretty much the rest. Kudos!
@@EmyrDerfelI was listening to an old episode of Kill James Bond, their first Q&A from a couple of years ago think, and she mentioned possibly changing it to November at some point in the future
Long-time listener. First-time commenter. It's so weird listening to this episode while driving home from Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Dundalk, MD! I have mixed feelings about a tragedy being so close to home, and enjoying a podcast about engineering disasters. With slides.
Y'know, the problem with the WTYP merch is that I don't wear Tshirts or hoodies. Maybe there should be a tie, or a WTYP-print dress. I could use a new dress, and a new tie.
every time i'm reminded how big container ships are i'm more and more convinced that boats were a mistake and every single one is a crime against god, a testament to man's hubris
Wearing stockings and eating shrimp is a sin against God. Being _gay_ is a sin against god. Being _black_ used to be. Being a palestinian still is. Maybe don't listen to a senile dictator wizard.
DEI is actually the corporate term for woke. For the past few years DEI was basically the acronym every big business used for "equality" in the workspace. I remember even when I worked at Amazon 2 years ago that was already their acronym for it. I also found it really funny as when I read their description they actually made their own definition of words like "diversity" so it doesn't actually mean what people usually would use it as. The term has basically only been treated as a slur more recently because of companies basically doing fake diversity posts and public stunts. Some groups have even come out to fund companies based on their "DEI" score. It's basically a slur of it's own creation.
My dad's first job in denmark was welding containers for maersk in Tønder; but these containers live a petty short, hardworking life, being at sea for a few years and all, so its unlikely any of them are still around. This also means they're terrible as a building material for buildings, used or new; stop doing that.
57:05 - Its harder, but due note that land, contrary to popular belief, is not a fool proof way of stopping a boat from ramming a bridge. For some interesting reading, and info on one of the most horrifying ways to die in a car, see the Almö Bridge Collapse (otherwise know as Tjörnbrokatastrofen in meatball language).
Well if the man who knows more about manufacturing that anyone alive says you can just reuse the steel, then it must be true! After all, the Cybertruck is well known for not having any metallurgy-related issues whatsoever, so he definitely does know what he's talking about.
November, if it’s any consolation, my brain also did an association cascade when you said “boatmurdered” and ended up thinking of rampaging pachyderm “E” glyphs. Actually, that shouldn’t be a consolation to either of us
If you really think about it, the whole podcast is God Damn News, just with variable levels of lateness
It's fuzzy, but I think there's definitely a line where news stops being news. I'd say that's implied by the name "news".
At some point it becomes olds.
@@excrubulent so what do you propose they are afterwards?
Olds?
Have you ever heard someone call something olds?
Whoooaaaaaaa
@@michimatsch5862 I mean someone already proposed that, but I like to call it "theirstory".
Yes, I said "theirstory". I will accept my Nobel Peace Prize now, thank you.
I would pay top dollar for an "Everyone Has A Right To Leave The Jobsite Safely And Intact" shirt and/or hoodie.
This is gonna make this like when the Australian Bureau of Statistics put out an April Fools page of merch about loving statistics, and all the stats nerds flooded in.
I’m gonna screen print myself an Everyone Has a Right to Leave the Jobsite Safely and Intact” shirt
Seconding this
@@TheProblem2025- I love a good statistic
I would keep this shirt in my drawer, so every time I suited up in Ovies to go into the site proper, I could wear this underneath and leave the Ovies open
Top dollar? In this economy? Best I can do is middle dollar.
Elon Musk THINKING that twisted steel can be repaired back to a bridge should show NASA that Musk doesn't know anything about metals or manufacturing.
speaking two languages wrong is the authentic quebec experience
they were ultimately left extremely jealous
*TABERNAC!*
I play online with a bunch of French speakers who aren't from France (Belgians, Algerians and a bunch of Canadian folks); they all say that French natives will tell you to give up on trying to speak in French with them because your French is shit, whereas Quebec folks will tell you to stop speaking French because you speak it better than them. I straight up have no first hand experience with this, but I've adopted it as a fact.
@@KirillTheBeastIt is false, they won't stop you from speaking French, they'll answer in English instead to practice. They'll only jump on someone who speaks English if they live here or if they're doing a service job and start in English rather than French. There's no Québécois alive that will stop someone from speaking French.
@@KirillTheBeasthumility from a francophone of any kind? 😂
Whoa quickest we’ve ever seen a Goddamn News become an episode
*a Goddam episode
@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi
@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi
@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi
I thought it was gonna be some short "yeah we *know*", I wasn't expecting a full episode
As a black Zimbabwean who is also a migrant, I really appreciate your non-racist and human approach to these issues - life first then race, ethnicity, religion, migration status, political leaning etc and all these other things later.
Also, thank you November/Alice for the Rhodesia episode - it was one of the first I listened to😊
Life should always come first. We're all just people.
@@Gryphyxius Nailed it!
@@Gryphyxius And those Reparations is when Life REALLY STARTS for Black peoples...
Its the Blue party that keeps stirring the pot, by pointing fingers at the white folk and telling them theyre the problem, by one old pastey white man.
Welcome to the podcast fam! Remember safety third!
When Liam said “watch your future wife black out and eat all the pasta and then wake up in the morning and ask why there’s no pasta,” I felt that
I'm a black, HBCU-educated, retired mechanical engineer with family in Baltimore...the news around this incident hit home for me in a major way. I've spent most of the last couple of weeks explaining to laymen why "bridge fall down" and why DEI didn't destroy Boeing or Harvard or bridge or 'murica. 😐
Truly sucks that you or anyone has to do that in 2024. (AD)
Thank you for your service.
I can't believe how much bull crap like that I saw online then I remembered what Elon did to Twitter so I assumed the worst voices are being amplified... I had the app deleted but redownload it for news like this only to be enundated with complete brain rot. It is disgusting like we are in Idiocracy. I didn't know ppl were using DEI as basically a code word now. Thank you for educating these people but I feel bad it even has to be done
I don't mean to say that it's only Twitter or only the worst people btw. It's just I was unaware of how bad it was
DEI in and of itself is racist bullshit and is destroying America
Justin going straight to "Yes, We Have No Bananas" and the Columbo "Just one more thing" reference further reinforces he's an old man with a fake ID.
Justin has always seemed like one of those guys who are born crotchety to me.
Just keeping the old farts like me engaged 😅
Baltimorean here (or baltimoron), it’s absolutely heartbreaking every day coming down into the tunnels and looking over and it’s just gone
Yes, can understand that. I even felt that way when the powerplant next to my city (Nijmegen) was demolished, and I hated that thing. And a (big) bridge is a true landmark and a thing of beauty. Also it must suck for traffic and travel.
I'm having an embarrassingly hard time remembering its November now, but i know it isnt Alice, so my brain splits the difference and keeps insisting "oh yeah, it must be Autumn!"
That would lead to a bunch of "Fall Down" jokes.
It's not November, it's April.
:v
@@EmyrDerfelRocket November, Mr Bond
Would you guys maybe consider doing an episode on the Bijlmer? It's the neighbourhood of Amsterdam that was supposed to be the most advanced "city of the future", only to collapse entirely, become the city's nastiest and least safe area, and then have an Israeli Boeing flight crash into it killing at least 43 people. It's a mess and a half and a really fascinating look into the failures of urban development
I watched a doc on here about this literally the other day, I'll try and find it in my history
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Of course it was Boeing
@@thecocktailguys9608 I watched it as well! A very solid doc, really well made
@@Fullchristainnameto be fair that happened when boeing still knew how to make planes - it happened in 1992, and boeing and mcdonnell-douglas only merged in 1997
Somebody wished on a monkey's paw to combine the podcast's favorite topics of Boat Go Bonk and Bridge Fall Down.
It *_CURLED_* , and got curled more by the devil....
I think the problem was that the boat hit the bridge but I’m excited to learn more ❤
Hmmm interesting. What made you think it was the big boat and not black people apparently
What I find interesting is that the roadway just to the right of the ship which is usually in horizontal tension has separated from its vertical supporting structure. Is this the result of decades of salting the roadway or excessive vertical design tension caused by the impact of the ship breaking pin of the most stressed member and unzipping as the next vertical support failed. Was the bridge nearing its end of life? Was it a good time to fail? Why wasn't there a bridge replacement plan ready to implement before the failure?
big if true
OMG it's the long heralded Emergency Podcast
If November hadn't called herself out I would have assumed that it was an *unintentional* Dwarf Fortress reference.
"There's no way she's referencing DF." ...she continues... "Jesus Christ. We all have internet poisoning."
My grandfather built this bridge as a crane op for Bethlehem Steel. I crossed it every time we went to visit him on Murray Point Rd in Dundalk. It breaks my heart to see it in the water.
Maybe you could ask one of the contractors for a bolt as a keepsake? We take things home all the time as little memories, so they might be able to help you out.
Roz saying foshizzle nearly finished off what little is left of my hp bar.
[Team Fortress 2 crit sound]
Bro, I choked on a sip of tea right there. Too intense
A nearly two-hour newsbrief. That checks out.
neither brief nor news
The Goddamn Long News
@@JosephJamesScottin the news there was no brief, and in the brief there was no news
This hits close to home for me as well. I'm a bridge inspector who has worked in Baltimore with a Spanish -speaking work crew from Brawner Builders and I can't help but think some of the crash truck guys were on that crew. 😭
the irony about the conspiracy theorists is that they always miss the one glaringly obvious conspiracy: the conspiracy of greed.
We're almost certainly going to find out that the ship lost propulsion because it was inadequately maintained because the owner didn't want to spend money on maintenance. These ships are basically one giant engine strapped to a giant box filled with smaller boxes. They are riddled with single-point failures, because redundancy costs money and capital hates being spent. Lose the one giant engine, and every powered system on the ship stops working because that engine, in addition to powering the screws, also powers the electrical and hydraulic systems needed to operate the ship underway.
" Bridge fall down " thanks team. ❤
Yes.
well first of all it shouldn't be doing that
L, Mr Bond.
I was honestly kinda expecting something along the lines of "well, your problem there is that you shouldn't run a boat into a bridge." followed by 2 hours of silence
@@obamabiden it just needs to be a bit more rigid
This incident simultaneously calls to mind the Sunset Skyway Collapse and the Safety Third where the NYC tunnel crew asked "what happens to us in an emergency" "oh, you die."
This episode still has that new-disaster smell.
my favorite part of this whole ordeal has been realizing that half of the country at this point can't see a single thing happening and not blame bill gates, judaism, vaccines, etc.
i can't even take a shit in my own house without someone somewhere thinking bush did it
Nahhh. You just don't get it. The Biden administration is so incompetent that it couldn't get out of a wet paper bag, but can also orchestrate disasters like this every day! These are not opposing statements, they do not contradict each other, never question me.
see i just feel like people in general arent That much more crazy than they used to be, but people online are like 1,000% more crazy than they used to be, yknow a spiders georg situation
It's not half the country. It"s at best like 15%, but probably even less than that.
I don't think Bush planned anything, but I think he let it happen so he had a reason to go to war in the Middle East. Just look at how fast the Patriot Act, a big comprehensive 2,000 page bill got passed. This incident appears to be just pure bad luck and insufficient imagination for disasters and infrastructure like the gang pointed out.
Damned globalists!
I absolutely hate the "we should rebuild every part of our infrastructure so those monstrous failures of oversized ships can continue to mess things up anyway"
Apparently those ships somehow have negative redundancy. It carries 10000 containers but only has one engine and no batteries to even keep the damn lights on? Nevermind the fact it should be required to have enough battery power to operate the maneuvering thrusters and the rudder for good half an hour,on top of having all crucial comms and navigation systems powered
The mind-boggling thing to me is the speed and the timing.
From the moment the ship first lost power to impact with the bridge was about 4 minutes 30 seconds.
When the ship lost power, she was passing the outflow of one of the side channels, the current of which may well have contributed to pushing her into the turn. If she'd lost power a little sooner or a little later, she could quite easily have missed the bridge entirely.
The cops who closed the bridge were the ones already on-site because of the road work being done; if there hadn't been a work crew out that night they might not have been nearby enough to close the bridge in time -- in some of the footage you can still see trucks crossing in front of the ship very close to the impact.
The officer Justin mentions who called for backup: that backup arrived and he was just about to go alert the crew when the bridge came down.
Holy shit, we've been sent an episode from the future. There's no way they got an episode out this quick
Obviously podcasting from the nation of Nation, conveniently translated into Language, by our hosts (all named Roz).
You could say that you did trot ski that coming.
"Ships cannot operate successfully on land" and this is why I love this podcast. This is why I subscribe.
My father tried to speed up entering a freeway to avoid a rolling roadblock just behind us lead by a highway patrol cruiser. I did not want to:
-run over a CalTrans worker
-run over whatever the CalTrans worker was picking up
-find ourselves in the middle of a high speed chase
My father decided to fall back behind the cruiser to avoid having to listen to me any more.
*"IM NEURUO DIVERGENT "probably"* I think we can dispense with the "probably" this being literally THE most autistic podcast in history
I say this with love as a fellow autistic person but you could change the name to "Well There's Your Autism" and it would only increase the accuracy.
I know Liam mentioned being schizoaffective and schizospec disorders are included under the neurodivergent umbrella Pretty sure November has talked about being autistic before so we only need Rozc and they can voltron.
@@doctorworm420 - someone with Rox's level of train love has to be autistic...
My favorite containerized item is wine, stored in a giant plastic liner like the world's largest bag in a box of Franzia.
Why...why?
... shipping container sized goon bag? [As in cask wine, not whatever weird sex stuff the internet comes up with]
@@PanAndScanBuddycask wine is the favoured drink of broke students because it's cheaper by volume and alcoholic, there's not much "why" to it (probably to sell the low quality stuff or something)
Realizing that someday they'll have a guest who was actively involved in a major disaster, and the entire episode becomes an extended Safety Third segment.
I was woken from an illness induced sleep with a text simply reading "they did the bridge!".
"Welcome back to Well There's Your News. It's a podcast about news. With slides."
"Now before we go any further, we need to talk about..."
*"The Goddamn Problem."*
Underrated.
Roz: We're all some kind of neurodivergent
a few minutes pass
Roz: The B&O Railroad Museum is good, GO THERE
As a land surveyor who has done a lot of work near and in the anacostia/combined sewer systems. You have my deepest sympathies.
I'd have expected Musks contribution to be
'bridges are dumb - I can tunnel it in 2 weeks and it'll cost $0.5M'
Ah, but that would require him to be consistent.
“Keeping a secret is very difficult when you’re doing cool stuff” words to live by
“158-foot beam” “same” “59-foot draft” “same” “95,000 gross tons” “same” “can carry just under 10,000 20-foot equivalent units.” “nah, i can’t do that.” “i can do that!”
a two-hour-long Goddamn News, we are so back
I think it’s very cursed that when I first saw this Bridge collapse I thought “wonder when this will be a podcast episode”
Same. It made me wonder, "Hey, maybe I AM a sociopath."
"Someone is gonna say the whole crew of the ship was Indian" - idiots talking about it being crewed by "illegals" was one of the first bits of nonsense I heard. Took everything I had to not just shriek "THAT'S NOT HOW INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING WORKS"
Nah it was the workers America is built on the back of illegals
That is not quite true. Depending on how the vessel is flagged determen how it is legally alowed to be crewd.
@@matsv201 The flag is Singapore. Meaning as long as the crewmember holds a certificate of competency from any country, they are good.
@@matsv201 technically true, but the people bringing up the crews' nationality - rather than e.g. intra-crew language barriers in particular such as has been mentioned in previous maritime WTYPs - are mostly just racists looking for an angle to get angry at a world that scares them.
@@williamchamberlain2263 They probably don't even realise the crew will at most only be off said vessel very briefly anyway, if at all. They basically live on the things for their entire contract, the local dock workers do the main chunk of the actual loading and unloading from the dock side itself.
The God Damn News: Bonk
Straight to the point, hard hitting journalism
Ideally the steel would be recycled into a new cargo ship to crash into the new bridge. "Hey boys, I'm ba-ack!"
"If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!"
-The SS Francis Scott Key Bridge, allegedly.
The “I like a big truss” followed by “So does Lamar Jackson” and the Liz Truss joke are probably my favorite succession of jokes done on the show so far lmaoo so funny dude.
Damn this was insanely fast. I was expecting this episode to come out several years in the future.
Honestly being drunk enough in Dundalk to forget a week is basically how it feels to live in Dundalk anyway so thats just fitting in with the locals
Hello fellow local, (im up in Perry Hall)
Holy shit, November quoting Maimonides? Hell yeah.
Also, Maimonides nuts.
My gal's wicked smaaht
that joke helped me figure out how to pronounce that word
Also referencing Boatmurdered :o
@@sierra3830Incorrectly at that! ;)
So.... Baltimore Harbor can now compose an anthem called "The Car Strangled Spanner" Agree with you Roz, nice looking bridge.
I'm from Baltimore. It was a tough couple days. Heartbreaking.
and then the bridge collapsed. hey oh
how'd you know
hopefully this doesn't put a lot of people out of work :(
@@magesalmanac6424 the real tragedy is the loss of capital
In regards to certain people using 'DEI' to describe Baltimore's mayor...
They are using DEI as a substitute for another word they seethe that they get in trouble for using. It's why they're pushing that acronym so hard.
Sad thing is on Twitter they probably could just use the slur they want to use and receive no push back from Twitter anymore.
that and the Indian workers
I always wondered about this - what kind of trouble do they expect? Like, they can say whatever they want. If they get their teeth kicked in, that's simply a coincidence. Who's actually going to go out of the way to kick their teeth in? I don't say that word, and many more pejoratives besides, because the people that asked me not to use it are people I like and care about. Done and done. But an asshole is an asshole, it doesn't matter if he says "DEI" or the other word, does it? It's not like we don't know they're assholes when they use "DEI" as a pejorative.
@@thomasdjonesn Twitter might not do anything to you, but if your employer discovers you use Twitter to scream slurs you might not have an job anymore. Or maybe family and friends don't want to associate with you. Oh noes. Consequences.
Of course, Elon would totally pay for your legal fees if you got fired for posting slurs on Twitter. He always fulfills his promises, right?
Most of the people claiming it's DEI have no idea what DEI is and how it works.
Correction, cars CAN be in containers on a ship. Just not new ships. I once helped a neighbor load their Grand Marquis into a 20ft container since they were bringing it with them back to Lebanon
7:00
There's a old folk / country song called "Deportee" that's been covered by Dolly Parton and The Highwayman among others, about a true story of migrant laborers who died in a planw crash and are simply called "deportees" in the newspaper despite being incredibly vital, hard-working people
49:00
The first line of that article "How far should we go in being our brother's keeper?"
"Am I my brother's keeper?" was what Cain said to God after murdering his brother Abel
Welcome to the WTYP Action News, our coverage of the disaster continues with Liam reporting from a V22 Osprey over the scene. Not directly over the scene, but above a children's hospital right next to the scene. The weather isn't great, but the pilot is an ex-marine and he seems really confident.
Breaking news. A V22 Osprey suddenly fell out of the sky and completely burned up on impact. 400 children are feared dead and a big boy
Two things to add.
- The VHF should be connected to a Battery with at least 30 minutes of power supply in case of a blackout.
- Shortly before they hit the pillar you can see black smoke coming from the funnel probably because the engine was used. The ships starts to turn to starboard suddenly. The reason could be running the engine in reverse which causes the stearn to move to port if the vessel has a right hand propeller.
Check out the maritime charts of the harbour, at the exact moment she lost power they were crossing the west to east outflow and it was high tide during a full moon. Without rudder control, this would basically have booted her in the arse. The big question is where was the backup generator? It should have come on in 47 seconds, and one of its three breakers is connected to the rudder. This is what we need the NTSB report for, if it didn't come on automatically and the crew had to go for the power plant then this is a much much deeper issue than the speculation about fuel or crew mistakes - I won't be surprised to see the words "catastrophic failure" in that report.
If the engine made a difference, it was probably in reverse. Tracking shows the ship slowed down just before impact.
I get the feeling that Roz' political radicalization went something like : Trains - Communism
There's probably some sort of flowchart where if you get radicalized by trains, you become a Marxist Leninist and if you are radicalized by guns, you become an anarchist. I'm the rare species of redneck who was radicalized because of Socialist Rifle Association but became an ML
Fellow Philadelphian, but once a resident of Baltimore: Pigtown is a real place. It was close to the Slaughterhouses in Carroll-Camden, and pigs were once commonly herded through the neighborhood.
I'm amazed the WTYP Podcast folk didn't suggest Woody Guthrie's 'This Land Is Your Land'.
I wasn't expecting a BoatMurdered reference, but I am HERE for it.
To be fair, that doesn't make you autistic so much as old.
(That was 2006! Geez.)
@@FeepingCreaturewhy can’t be both?
@@FeepingCreatureisn't it still going? On CZcams?
I am so sorry to say, but as a person who used to have to drive home at 1 am after a long shift, I don't trust that I would have listened to the road closure blockades.
“Boatmurdered” brought me back to 2013 when I was reading the LP on my phone during my breaks at my awful retail job
I swear Kruggsmash covered it but it's disappeared
LP?
@@MVHiltunen “let’s play” like where you watch (in this case read, as it was a screenshot LP) someone play a game. These are sometimes done in comical fashions.
Love the condescending engineer hubris . "Should be put armor on our roofs?" That's literally what the shingles are, bro. The bridge is insured for ~$80M, but spending another $1M to plop in some basic barricades is silly crazy talk. Welp, it's probably going to cost $150M+ and take a decade to rebuild, so that was $1M well not-spent.
Nitpick: the quote was "Should we put armor plating over houses to protect them from airplanes?" Shingles aren't THAT, and you'd need extremely thick armor plates to defend against the extremely low likelihood of an airplane impact. But his talk was still dumb because a ship hitting a bridge pier is much more likely than an airplane hitting a house.
Also, I don't think that as engineering hubris, more the ignorance of people in senior positions about new developments, which the dolphins were at the time.
That's *The American Way* in 2024!!!
@@joeyj6808 This quote was from the 1970s.
It’s not a big deal as the Federal Government said it’s picking up the tab for the entire project; Which just means they’re going to just print the money and devalue our dollar with inflation even more.
The Federal Government said it’s paying for the entire project which means they’ll just print the money. That’ll devalue and inflate our money even more.
"Shouldn't there be some pier protection Incase of a ship or barge impact?"
"No one's hit the bridge yet"
Yet...
Also there's many reports of the ship having major electric issues, some to do with the power to the container refrigerator units. Maintenance is going to be a factor in the ship's multiple black-outs
If we learned anything from Boeing, it's that it's never maintainance and always pilot error.
I'm Justin Newsniak, I'm the person who's talking right now. My Pronouns are he and him. Okay, go.
I'm a marine engineer, in my long beach union hall we were just talking about the bridges here and how they were specifically designer to avoid this kind of impact. Only thing we've hit while I was onboard was a gantry crane
eyyy who else remembers seeing the stress strain graph back in episode 2
Rowers are dork jocks, or docks.
Jorks
In jorts
with joars
I hate to say it, but the moment this happened, my second thought, after “those poor people” was “I wonder what WTYP will say about this”
Nah you are not the only one
You're still in that Tim Horton's, trying to order a coffee.
You never left.
I know y'all don't like to cover unfolding disasters, but I think you guys did a pretty good job of covering the facts and giving broader context without irresponsibly speculating. Well done.
Is it just me, or could you hear November biting her tongue when Justin said "these numbers are soundings"... 😬
It's interesting to hear people talking about how terrifying it is to drive across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Then again, I grew up going back and forth across that bridge since I grew up on Kent Island. The reversible lane on the western span is scary, but they have done well to make it a bit better over the years with better markings and such. Still, it's not fun watching cars come at you the other way.
Honestly, when I started seeing conspiracy theories being pushed by folks like Lara Logan about the bridge being targeted, I just laughed. If you really wanted to mess with the economy, you take out the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Not only would you cut off the Port of Baltimore, but you'd do a lot of damage to the tourism industry for years by cutting off the main road to the beaches on the coast.
If November can't get "make it more rigid" she can at least get "make it *look* more rigid".
22:01 I don’t know if this is the most effective counter to Devon’s comment, but there is a video out there of Bin Laden dancing and singing to “Poker Face” and it’s rather bizarre honestly
I ran DIRECTLY to find this, and sadly, it's a lookalike. I was so ready for this, lol.
@@redbullwife1 yeah maybe it doesn’t exist, but the idea of it is in itself fascinating.
Newsbrief, what you call a nearly two hour video that reports on an event that happed over a week ago. In other words: neither new nor brief. I love it!
I have a friend who lives in Pigtown. November, if you see this, it's where there used to be lots of slaughterhouses!
48:48 My house was built with 8" thick reinforced cement brick walls to resist small airplanes because it's near an airport. So, yeah we kinda do armor homes against airplanes. It sucks for Wi-Fi though.
If Elon thinks we can reuse ANY of that steel before reforging, I wonder what the quality is of the steel is that he uses in his cars and rockets!!! (Maybe that’s why the Hyperloop failed….the rails were already stressed beyond their yield point and the tunnels are full of twisted masses of steel and human bodies!!!!
He's a software guy who's learned other stuff as a hobby, and he was never that good at software, hence why he's now mostly a hype guy.
That breakdown of the harbor was mostly accurate- Tradepoint Atlantic is now at Sparrows Point and is the only part of the Port functioning, but Roz, you nailed pretty much the rest. Kudos!
I am pleased to announce that here in Detroit we have DEI. The city is 77% African-American, and has a White Mayor, Mike Duggan.
Oh I didn't realise there had been a name change, I love November, such an amazing name choice 💜
She'd been foreshadowing it on Twitter for at least several months.
@@EmyrDerfelI was listening to an old episode of Kill James Bond, their first Q&A from a couple of years ago think, and she mentioned possibly changing it to November at some point in the future
@@EmyrDerfel I don't go on twitter its a hellscape since Elon
Long-time listener. First-time commenter. It's so weird listening to this episode while driving home from Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Dundalk, MD! I have mixed feelings about a tragedy being so close to home, and enjoying a podcast about engineering disasters. With slides.
"she grip on my metal til i fracture" LOL
Y'know, the problem with the WTYP merch is that I don't wear Tshirts or hoodies. Maybe there should be a tie, or a WTYP-print dress. I could use a new dress, and a new tie.
Wtyp pocket protector
WTYP hardhat sticker
WTYPP jorts
WTYP really putting the "brief" in "newsbrief". I love them so much.
Suddenly and involuntary switching from scuba to sky diving as a result of looney toons shenanigans is my new favorite mental image.
weird al probably has the best version of "party in the usa": "party in the cia"
I want the WTYP take on There, I Ruined It's mash-up, Party in the USSR.
every time i'm reminded how big container ships are i'm more and more convinced that boats were a mistake and every single one is a crime against god, a testament to man's hubris
Any boat larger than the ones in the Bible is a sin against God.
Wearing stockings and eating shrimp is a sin against God.
Being _gay_ is a sin against god. Being _black_ used to be.
Being a palestinian still is.
Maybe don't listen to a senile dictator wizard.
@@Frommermanpretty sure the arc was pretty fuckin big to fit two of every animal. whales are animals and they big
To be fair, you don't need to take whales on a boat during a flood
@@Frommerman nah all boats were a mistake
DEI is actually the corporate term for woke. For the past few years DEI was basically the acronym every big business used for "equality" in the workspace. I remember even when I worked at Amazon 2 years ago that was already their acronym for it. I also found it really funny as when I read their description they actually made their own definition of words like "diversity" so it doesn't actually mean what people usually would use it as.
The term has basically only been treated as a slur more recently because of companies basically doing fake diversity posts and public stunts. Some groups have even come out to fund companies based on their "DEI" score. It's basically a slur of it's own creation.
Liam McAnderson:
Liam, son of the son of Andrew
My dad's first job in denmark was welding containers for maersk in Tønder; but these containers live a petty short, hardworking life, being at sea for a few years and all, so its unlikely any of them are still around.
This also means they're terrible as a building material for buildings, used or new; stop doing that.
40:20 "where are you going at 1am" im getting off late from my second shift job because the graveyard guy overslept again.
57:05 - Its harder, but due note that land, contrary to popular belief, is not a fool proof way of stopping a boat from ramming a bridge. For some interesting reading, and info on one of the most horrifying ways to die in a car, see the Almö Bridge Collapse (otherwise know as Tjörnbrokatastrofen in meatball language).
I have no idea who these people are but between the electric cars episode and this one, they're damn funny, and got some brains too.
Welcome!
One of us one of us
Yay, recorded the same day I was getting tossed around in a meeting room of my 19th floor office in Taipei…
Well if the man who knows more about manufacturing that anyone alive says you can just reuse the steel, then it must be true!
After all, the Cybertruck is well known for not having any metallurgy-related issues whatsoever, so he definitely does know what he's talking about.
Timestamps:
0:00:00 The GD News: Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse
I have been stricken with acid reflux (eating too much spaghetti) so thank you for keeping me entertained and informed it really means a lot.
November, if it’s any consolation, my brain also did an association cascade when you said “boatmurdered” and ended up thinking of rampaging pachyderm “E” glyphs.
Actually, that shouldn’t be a consolation to either of us