a practical guide to Timeless Product Design (How to)
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- There's something magical about the timeless aesthetic, but it's really hard to design a timeless product. So I made a practical guide on how to design timeless products. I go over how to create timeless forms, details and finishes while designing a nice little coffee grinder.
Software: Mood Boards in Miro. Coffee Grinder modelled in Rhinoceros & Fusion 360 & Rendered in Keyshot.
Thanks to all the great designers who let me feature their work:
Shaver, T3, SK5, TP1, LE1, Sessel 620 by Dieter Rams
Olly, Elixir by Bebop @bebopdesigners
Wall Mounted CD Player, Electric Kettle, Toaster, Blender by Naoto Fukusawa
Angle Razor, Toy Projects, Brush and Bowl by Morrama @morramadesign
Barcelona Chair, Cantilever by Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
DSW, Lounge Chair by Charles & Ray Eames
Watch by Junghans
Watch by Nomos Glashutte
A1 by Cecilie Manz
A9 by Øivind Alexander Slaatto
Beosound 1 by Torsten Valeur
Chair One by Konstantin Grcic
Go Chair by Ross Lovegrove
Lockheed Lounge by Marc Newson
Medallion Chair by Phillippe Starck
Isn't it kind of ironic that I am wearing a trendy shirt for a timeless design video? - Jak na to + styl
Great video! Your breakdown was great!
Only thing I have a problem with is the size of the knob. It‘s so small, making the grinder look enormous.
Doesn‘t change anything about the validity of your approach and would be catched latest with a foam model :)
Good thought! I actually tried out some bigger knobs but went with the little one. I liked the cuteness plus a big knob really made the thing look too much like a face
love the new vid, would love to see a breakdown of the applications you use on your ipad, and why you choose to use them. But loved this video.
Thanks! I wrote a description for now. Good idea for a video! I’ll keep that in mind for the pipeline!
Love the wavy lid - sliding through time no problem!
I’m a slidey kind of guy
Thanks for your videos, I appreciate so much your process of design and not the boring techniques that teach in the college. LOVE IT, THE RESULTS!! Greetings from México
Thanks Daniel! Quick question: where's the best food in Mexico (I am going there next year 🙌)
I love your videos ! You get through so much information and knowledge while keeping it light and having such a clear main objective from start to finish !
Very cool ! Excited to see more in the future
Thanks for watching and the nice words :)
Love your video so much!! Both knowledge and humor!🙌🙌
Thanks @Peiya
Love this channel! Just binged and liked all videos.
Your approach to breaking down layers (e.g., forms, details, finishes) is insightful and easy for non-practitioners to follow.
I'd gladly pay for a video diving deeper into industrial design with your unique style of delivery (structured layers, fusing in trends and on-the-fly designs.)
Keep the videos coming and thanks for making them!
Thanks! Will try to make some more 😊
I don't usually comment, but it was super useful, clear and concise! thank u !
I’m glad you decided to comment
The content is gold! Keep it up!
I’ll try!
Amazing! Thanks for reminding me why I wanted to became an industrial designer. Looking forward for the next video...
Why did you become and industrial designer?
@@somegraythings
I don't know exactly why however I always thought objects were more than decoration pieces or tools to make our lives easier. I believe it is something about the cultural material value they add. Every design decision is intrinsically related to our reality and your storytelling in your creation process is showing that. I want to be able to do the same at some point.
Nice elaboration on timeless design 👌 cheers
Thanks!
Great, found another quality design channel.
Nice of you to say
That coffee grinder turned out freaking gorgeous 👍
loved it!
Thanks buuudy
So helpful! Loved it
Glad you liked it
@@somegraythings keep creating more such videos
This was chill. Thanks bro.
Thanks for watching
Hunting for timeless features with flow
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awesome video. cant wait to see more :)
Thanks!
Loooove it!
Thanks ☺️
Enjoyed each of your videos a LOT. But! Can you update more often!!! plz！！
I will try!
Great video man! I really liked your explanation and take on the topic :D
It also got me thinking if there if some of those beloved, way less minimal designs are also timeless in a way. Most things by Alessie for example can definetly be dated, but it's their character and that they function well despite some stylization that makes people love them throughout time. Super interesting topic, I'm looking forward to your next video :D
Yes! I think minimalism can help with timelessness, but isn’t necessarily the only way to be timeless. Alessi stuff is great because it has so much personality and isn’t so on trend, so it doesn’t feel old so fast. Although a lot of their style is pretty vintage already.
@@somegraythings Yeah, that's the thing of "timelessness". It can have a lot of different meanings. Your video was fun, but I think it communicates more likely "a practical guide to make a timeless minimal like product that you find constantly on Pinterest''. I am not here hating, this is probably just my personal opinion. Sometimes the reference websites (like Pinterest) have an incredible aesthetics bias to show only minimal works. Of course, I love the Dieter Rams works, but I am tired to see that only minimal products to be considered timeless. The key principles in this video are obviously fine, they are the main base to design a product, but even a "chic" design could be timeless, respect the basic design points and be an icon/influence in the future.
@@Wmeme-mg4ff great comments! One of the things I figured out making this video is there is a difference between "timeless" and "iconic". Timeless means you can't really figure out when something was made just from looking at it. Iconic is an instantly recognizable and unique design. Iconic products can be timeless (i.e. iPod) but don't have to be (i.e. Super Nintendo). Maybe I do an iconic video one day, but I think Design Theory already has one :) Good point on the minimalism as well, there some designs that are timeless that I wouldn't consider minimal (Lovegrove Chair, Juicy Salif). I think the reason you don't see more, however, is my point on details. The more details you have, the more likely you are able to figure out what time period something is made. Minimal products are inherently more timeless because it's easier to get away without any "time clues".
Thank you for this informative video! Do you have any product design book recommendations that will dive into designing timeless products with form, details, and finishes? Loved your breakdown of this topic!
Hmmm i’m not so good with the books. I did another video that was kind of a Q&A that has some designer recommendations, they are all pretty timeless. Anything Dieter Rams is a good start. If you find any cool books, write back in this comment :)
Love your videos in this style! Very informative and tangible.
How would you approach requests by other project stakeholders (mainly non-designers) to "make a more iconic design"?
In other words, how would you interpret the term "iconic"?
Would be highly interested what your take on this might be in another video =)
Cheers
Nice question! Maybe a future video for me, although Design Theory already has one :) my opinion: iconic designs are usually more the result of marketing and mass usage. Aston Martin’s are iconic because they got used in James Bond movies. However, designers can help by making some “iconicable” by giving a product a distinct and clearly recognizable visual. For the iPod, this is the rectangular screen contrasting with the circular dial. For Vespa, it’s the flowing shield shape in front. For the Juicy Salif, it’s this crazy alien like shape. Something that clearly distinguishes you product from another. A good test is if you turned you product into a 2D flat icon, would you still recognize it? What do you think?
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Thanks
Amazing video! Saw your software list and wondering what you are using to have keyshot rendering going on your ipad?
Just using Apple's built in screenshare with my Macboook
Quick and simple tutorial, perfect! Just one thing, can’t really tell the scale of this grinder, but if it’s like most grinders, isn’t knob little small? If it’s just a button, would be fine but for a rotary knob, seems bit small.
Ya, this definitely has been a main comment! I was making it tiny like a watch dial but maybe I went to tiny. But it’s just so dang cute like that
Hey great video, really learned a lot!! I was wondering what software u were using for the I pad with ur apple pen in the video? I study product design atm and was really curious, thanks so much!
Thanks! I wrote a little software description in the description :)
Hey! Love your videos! Which app do you use for models and product videos like this one? Cheers
I make the product videos in Keyshot
Great stuff!
It this makes me think: timeless designs are well designed and good products.
It is worth to note that no product is going to be timeless if technology change, society or economics make it obsolete. Or if it is just a product with a poor quality. Or if it is not marketed well. Or ... so many other reasons than design.
Also, from this video, it is clear that timeless also means that it is not tied to a specific epoch, trend, it is trendless. Not so punchy or relevant maybe not so interesting for could be even boring? This might be a good thing for some products, but not for others.
So actually, timeless design is rather not a design decision, but a product decision.
Good points!
This was amazing, I have a quick question (as a new Industrial design student), can you suggest any content based on " how to find your taste in design"?
Oooo that's a great question, I don't have a great resource for that. Maybe that would be a fun future video. Here is the short version of it:
1. Research: find a bunch of designs online, in shops, in books, in library that you kind of like. Anything that you find interesting or triggers something in you. Just collect, don't analyze for now. An easy way to do this is with Pinterest, Miro, Figma or any other online tool.
2. Review: after a while (week, month, whatever) look at all the stuff you collected. Just scroll through it and see what you still like or don't. You can add or subtract how you want.
3. Group: start putting things into groups on why you like them. For instance, some designs I like ideas that are clever, and other designs I like because I think it's just a beautiful form or material choice. Sort things the way you see them.
4. Reflect: now that you have some categories, you can reflect on what kinds of designs you like and why
5. Grow: (most important) this is just a starting point. It's really only possible to see what your style is if you design a lot. As you design more and more you can start looking back on what kinds of designs you make and start seeing your personality in the breadth of work. Don't feel too constrained by what you liked before, just let your instincts guide you to do the type of work you connect with.
That's it! I'm sure there's problems in this but it should get you started :)
Great video! What software did you use to design the coffee grinder?
Thanks! I wrote a software description in the description
Very nice. Got inspired 👍🏼 But, it’s not a grinder, it’s a chopper 😉 Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Good to knw
I thought you were gonna make a hole pattern with a shape of a coffee bean :D
That would have been very cool. Next time!
Hey I like your videos, I am a ID from Mexico, what app do you use for design and render in an iPad?
Thanks for watching! I wrote it in the description for you
Great video!! I was wondering if you had any recommendations for software to make 3D models and industrial design ideas that doesn't cost? I want to become an industrial designer in the future and I'm starting to plan how im going to make a portfolio for the uni admissions in a year and a half, but I don't really have the money to spend on an expensive 3D software, and just want to learn and start familiarise myself with 3D modelling so I can display that skills at admissions :)) Oh and also, do you have any insights into the types of things that unis admitting for Industrial Design would be looking out for or things that would make me stand out as an applicant? Thank you :))
Big questions!
Software: Blender is free and has amazing features. i *think* you can still get a Fusion 360 free license. Most other things I think you have to pay for.
Uni Admissions: tbh not my area of expertise. A focus on sustainability is important these days, and I think a lot of uni’s are trying to grow in this area. Otherwise, depends a bit on the uni and the program. Some are more focused on sketching skills, some more on user research. Maybe you can find a program you like and try to demonstrate some of the skills they are advertising i.e. if they advertise user research, show an interest in that.
@@somegraythings thanks for the response!! I'll check out blender and see if fusion360 has a free license still :)) do you have any general advice for what I should do to become a great Industrial designer? :D
I can’t find any apps under the name rhinoceros or Keyshot, neither any apps that match what I see @6:01 within the video for my iPad Pro, with the exception being Fusion 360 and Miro. Any info on this would be grand
Rhinoceros is for windows/mac
And what was the app you where using at 6:01 in the video
Sir... Pls tell me Which 3D software do you use to design all these products... please help me... i've been asking many times... I really love your videos ...please little help...
Rhinoceros, Fusion 360, Solidworks
For me design expressions are very important to showcase the design philosophy..how can I connect with sustainability/ timeless ?
Not sure if that's a rhetorical question but yes, I also am a big believer in personal expression through design. How can you connect? Just start doing it I suppose, you will learn along the way.
What was the iPad app u used for rendering.??
It’s Keyshot, I’m streaming from my Mac to the iPad
@@somegraythings oh I see, that dedicated UI for ipad is so cool
which app is at 6:55 you were using
Keyshot on my Macbook
What’s the app your using to show the 3D?
I wrote it in the description for ya :)
@@somegraythings omg didnt know you could use rhino and keyshot on ipad , thanks!
@mioncmo you can’t i just use my iPad as a remote display for my mac sometimes :)
@@somegraythings oh lmao i thought i was missing out xD
Whats that modeling app
I let you know in the description
You look like the average los angeles hipster from 2013
This guy nailed it!
Big flaw with these videos is that there aren't enough of them! The channel itself is spare, functional, streamlined...infuriating.
I think thank you? Not sure if you like me or hate me haha
@@somegraythings you’re killing it. Keep it up.
wonky airpod blender
You mean wonky airpod coffee grinder
@@somegraythings sorry I watched this on mute while cooking an egg omelette
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@@graydawdy1491 thank you for your insight into wobbly grinding