I hope everyone's having a wonderful day! I had a great time filming this and remain a 5-year old when it comes to the fart mode button haha. If you end up buying a Tesla, using my referral link means we both get free stuff: ts.la/jason66047 If you end up buying a Mazda Miata, I wouldn't blame you, they're one of the best. If you decide, like me, to someday own a Crosstrek, be sure you're mentally prepared for how fast they are.
I highly doubt that it is Switch Reluctance (SRM) but rather Synchronous Reluctance (SyRM) Motor. Sometimes "y" is skipped and that causes misunderstanding. SyRM makes more sense since there are a lot of topologies of SyRM with PMs which is usually referred as SyRM PM-assisted or SyRM hybrid PM- and these are awesome. One such is used in Toyota Prius and has efficiency of almost 98% which is insane and doesn't have issue with high torque ripple - almost none. I believe the efficiency was main reason behind using it as the main drive of M3, since induction motor used in MS and MX has peak efficiency of 89%. Yet, i haven't seen one from Model 3, but that is something i've been speculating since it was first introduced.
My 86 year old grandfather spent hours at Christmas showing the rest of the family fart mode on his Model S. I spent 10-15 minutes laughing so hard tears were rolling down my face.
No KIDDING!? Anyone who's actually driven several cars SHOULD know AND do that! I'm STILL astounded at how many people fail to realize how important a test drive is.
And this is yet ANOTHER problem with Tesla - NO DEALERSHIPS!!! This is why you have missed sales opportunities by Elon Musk. When people are expected to pay $50,000 for a car that runs on batteries, well...they are going to want to test drive such an expensive car first. Blindly buying a car online just doesn't work for 90%+ of consumers.
jaro essa so don’t blindly buy the car. Go and test drive it! I drove 2.5hrs today to the city as it was the closest place I could test drive one. Was phenomenal, everything I’d hoped and more.
@@jordanbell4420 astonishingly poor reliability compared to what? I'd say lower operating and repair costs than a Camry over the first 10 years of ownership is pretty reliable. I hope you've never had to deal with any VW, BMW or Mercedes or the new paradigm for reliability would probably induce suicidal tendencies with your mental expectations of reliability.
Had that 25 years ago with my windows95 "desktop Pythonizer" ... You'll be disappointed when a year from now Tesla is out of business and you can't get service... AND there will be several European electrics that are just as fast and cost less... driving your resale value way down.
@Brian Tracy _ "AND there will be several European electrics that are just as fast and cost less." And PROBABLY still screwing people on being environmentally friendly!!! (Cost Less? when did you see anything from Europe cost less? )
You are the antithesis of automotive CZcamsrs like Obsessed Garage & Auto Fanatic; particularly in the area of humility. The world is a better place because of this; and your subscriber count reflects the same.
It does take quite a bit of effort to find really good people doing cool things, but they do exist. Gears & Gasoline being one as well as this one. Super glad I found both.
Down-to-earth, modest people have a certain charm to them that is captivating (not to be confused with excess humility and lack of awareness of ones own very real worth). The creator of this channel has this magnetic trait in spades, he’s a joy to listen to and watch:)
Do Obsessed Garage and Auto Fanatic not have humility? I have watched a couple of Obsessed Garage's HT videos and it does seem he is very very rich, but that's all I can tell.
Glad to see you having so much fun! That's what a car should do for a person... you should look forward to going to the store or running errands. It should put a smile on your face.
This is one of my favorite Tesla related videos. The way you master mixing solid engineering discussion, describing the experience of driving these cars and then peppering it all with the farting sounds and cracking up - you nailed it :)
I drove the p100d and 3 performance back to back overnight... man what a difference. The S felt like a heavy touring car.. The 3 felt like a very refined.. heavily modded Mitsubishi evo.. basically handling better than I could ask for.
I have an electronic engineering degree, a semiconductor science PhD and have been steadily becoming an EV nerd for the past 1.5 years, but this was the first time I'd ever heard about reluctance motors! Learning new things is amazing - over an hour of Googling and research later, I'm now musing over the future of EV motors, now that I have a better grasp on the differences between induction, permanent magnet and reluctance motors. Thank you for all the knowledge, insight and wisdom you share with us all, Jason :)
I'm a retired aircraft engineer and I'm not surprised at your excitement about electric cars. I just returned a leased Ford Focus Electric and replaced it with a Chevy Bolt. From an engineering standpoint they are just an elegant solution to the problem of transporting people. Things like the simplicity of the powerplant/drivetrain compared to an internal combustion engine, the ability to fuel your vehicle at home, the efficiency, the instant power, low maintenance, etc. These are the types of things that appeal to me as an engineer. My second car which is a Fusion Hybrid feels archaic now, especially when it throws the occasional EVAP code.
Thanks for sharing, glad you're enjoying your Bolt! They're quite fun, and I love how Chevy implemented 1-pedal driving. I think their 1-pedal solution is the smoothest of all of them out there.
Calling a Modern EV simple is wildly inaccurate .... simpler than a hybrid, but vastly more complex than an elegantly designed ICE (achates power's engines for instance)
@@TheDisgruntledMechanic We leased the Focus EV for two years as a test to see if we could live with an EV. Even with it's puny 77 mile range we were sold on EV's. The problem is if you are shopping now, in the US, you pretty much have a choice of only two vehicles if you want a reasonably priced EV with over 200 miles range, Model 3 or Bolt. I didn't have the time to wait around for the new vehicles coming on line. So, based on what my budget would allow, I purchased the low spec 2019 LT model (only option equipped DC fast charging). So before local tax and license, I was out the door for around 25K (after fed tax incentive). From a practical standpoint it does what it is supposed to do. It certainly lacks some of the refinements I was used to in the lowly compliance Focus EV (which is actually nicely equipped). I assume the higher spec Premier version (heated seats, etc.) would have a more premium feel.
Evaporate code on Fusion Hybrid (if you don’t already know this) is likely caused by the little trap door that you press the fuel nozzle through to refuel - at least it was on mine. A little bit of carb cleaner sprayed in during a few open close cycles with a screwdriver - and - voila! Fixed. Interesting that I also own a Bolt. I like either of these cars for entirely different reasons.
I did the same with Audi. Bought an RS3, heard such great things about the 5 cylinder. Loved the car, but had regrets. Hated the manual seats, hated there was no view of the hood and just the dash, cramped interior and looked too much like an A3 to me. Bought the RS5 coupe and it's exactly what I wanted. Bigger car, wider, actually great seats in the back for a coupe, looks wicked and more usable torque down low for everyday driving. Test drive the car before you get it!!
@@EngineeringExplained It's rear bias is much less nose heavy than the RS3. It's glorious:) Refined and a true joy to drive. I was seriously considering the model 3, but I prefer to lease. Congrats on the performance 3 and congrats on a wonderful channel. You deserve all the success in the world! If you are near Toronto, i'll take you for a spin:)
@@user-to2rf1rj5v That's a cool thing!! Don't get me wrong...RS3 is a great car...but, just not for me. Love the tesla 500 miles to return it...amazing
I've been driving a Model 3 long-range RWD for 6 months, and I've always felt like it had instant pedal response. But though the car starts moving immediately upon flooring from a dead stop, it does take a little for the acceleration to really hit its stride. The sweet spot seems to be ~25 to ~60. Still the best car I've ever owned. :D
Can confirm Tesla nerfed the torque application on prior models as the dual / P came to market. One of the earlier firmware updates to the RWD 3 LR killed off its low speed instant torque response so significantly that several owners started asking. Tesla denied the change, but quietly restored *some* of that torque in a later update. I had my car before any of those updates, and there was no evidence of torque ripple despite the car being quicker off the line than it is currently.
@@LuneLuan Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled about it. We had the early Model 3's accelerating well above their rating, but then they were nerfed to be slower as to not steal thunder from the newer 'faster' models. Reducing the performance of *any* vehicle after purchase is not cool, even if that vehicle was performing above spec.
That's just bizarre. I guess this is the new economy where you don't own the things you buy (Kindle books, phones, Teslas) but you just lease them with manufacturers being able to modify your phone, delete your books or cripple your Model 3
Wait, so my M3 LR is slower now than it was when I bought it? This is the first I've heard of it. Is there video of the times before and after? Allyn, I know you race Model S, can you do some acceleration tests with your Model 3?
I can imagine Jerime/James/Hammond on world tour being followed by the mid range car and looser driving it home with the sound effects on a loud speaker😅
Hey @Engineering Explained. Does the LR AWD Model suffer from the same laggy performance as the RWD? You mention the dual motors as adding more pep to the car, the LR AWD also has the dual motors.
Those cracks in the glass roof are a concern, I would get tesla to check that out and confirm if they are a problem or not. Due to the nature of tempered glass, all damage near the edges is problematic, and can lead to spontaneous failure ( -> exploding sunroof). It would be rather inconvenient if the thing suddenly turned into a convertible on you.
We also had a (much smaller) crack in our Porsche's panorama roof. Being brought to the chief mechanic's attention, it was clear immediately that it needs to be replaced - this crack should be treated the same way. We got a wonderful 718 loaner for the duration of the repairs (3 days) and the job was executed to our fullest satisfaction.
Congrats! After watching this I’m really glad I didn’t go for the mid-range RWD. I thought about it but decided the price upgrade to the LR AWD was totally worth it. I debated the Performance but didn’t want to make the $ jump. Some days I regret that, but I still love my car. Im glad that it has that electric car instant shove. I’ve put 2000 miles on it in 3 weeks. I can’t stop driving it!
Hey Joe! I'm very torn between the P and LR AWD. I'm leaning between LR AWD incl. Autopilot or P without Autopilot. That is very similar in price. Got any recommendation for me? :)
When I first watched reactions people have when they drive or ride in a Tesla, i felt they were either acting or exaggerating. Until I actually own one, yes, I can confirm that reaction is totally ligit.
Aussie2u I wouldn’t go that far, as the engine of the M3 is substantially stronger than the MSport. The difference in price is more substantial as well. A loaded M3 is pushing $80 K US.
I always thought they chose an induction motor in the front to be able to switch off its magnetic field completely, which then means you have near zero resistance from the (disengaged) front motor at cruising speeds. This is an interesting new insight, tx! Also: love the sarcasm with the "thank you all for instructing me on how to use clamps, I never learned to use those during my engineering studies" ;)
It is true that by shutting down the input power IM rotates practically without resistance, but PMSM are not much worse in that regard since the average drag torque is also very low, especially for the better designed motors (which these are). However, in PMSM motors you need to optimise between torque and max speed for given voltage by design, which is achieved in IM by field weakening.
You are one of the best automotive vloggers/"journalist" I was honestly super bummed when top gear got cancelled but you bring the entertainment to the science and the industry developments. Keep doing what you're doing man! Thanks so much for the content.
I'm sure getting a black headliner wouldn't be a huge issue. They already have a white one with the other interior color, so you could get the part for the white interior and black it out.
Studies have shown that the faster you go, the younger your brain becomes. Hence the recurrent *WOWs*. That's a pretty deep lesson to be learnt from farts. Enjoy, Jason!
Jason, would you recommend buying model 3 now or wait few months/year for Tesla to fix up their paint issues and other glitches in order to avoid hassles? Please do a video if you can. Thanks
Great explanations on the motors. Between the fart noises and the acceleration I would crash that thing for sure. On another topic altogether I am sorely disappointed that your engineering education did not include precision measurement. Keep up the great content! I enjoy it all!!!
Lol, like engineering education is something smart. It's a 4 year college degree where pimple covered boys and girls learn basic things from 101 calculus etc. They are still average Joes. It's certainly not a law degree, let alone medical school.
I have the long range RWD 3. You can tell there is some limiting at low speeds. The acceleration is insane. It is like warp speed in regular driving. I can’t see any practical need for the car to be any faster. Every last one of your points are valid. Especially not being able to defeat the traction control.
I'm definitely curious to try out the long-range RWD. Seems the put a decent hit on acceleration on the mid-range with 5.6 seconds, versus the long range RWD which is hitting 60 in under 5. Seems quite cool!
@@EngineeringExplained As fatboy mentioned, RWD is being limited on its 0-40 mph, after that, it performs similar if not better than AWD. Also, it has a better handling than a dual motor. I was about to trade in my RWD M3 for a Performance 3 but after drive testing the P3D, the feeling of suppressed speed was quite noticeable plus the handling hence decided to keep my car. The only time I would use P3D's quick acceleration was when I'm at stop light but since 97.3% of my commute is on freeway, there's no point on having higher top speed when I may get a ticket lol. P3D is an amazing car... but the issues that came along with it plus the excessive energy consumption kinda pushed me away.
@@warlockhaseo3642Also comparing my wife's AWD Model 3 Long Range to my RWD Long range, while you do notice the extra snappiness in the AWD, the overall 0-60 times aren't that much different and my car has about 20-30 miles more range than hers. I'm also not totally convinced that some of the difference in snappiness is not just from the extra grip from AWD vs RWD. And definitely that's the case on wet pavement. I've also noticed that on hot days on dry pavement, the difference in snappiness isn't nearly so noticeable than when it's cold / wet pavement. Basically didn't notice the difference nearly so much last summer as I do now when it's below freezing and still running all weather tires on both.
@@warlockhaseo3642 thank you for your counter argument. I was about to go on Tesla's website to see the price difference but you talked me into keeping my LR RWD
It can be defeated. You just need an aftermarket device that plugs into the computer to disable it. I believe MPP sells it for the RWD version, for the performance version you just want to use track mode.
Curious how the traction and stability control disable works out on the performance Model 3. Could you post some footage of the UI as well as how the AWD behaves on closed course? Currently driving the regular 75D Model S and totally agree that the lack of ability to be able to fully disable driving aids takes a bit of fun out of the equation.
You are right thinking that the delay you experience is put there by Tesla engineers. I did tune a couple of drive inverter and tried no torque ramp. The result was very jerky drive. So the game is what is fun but smooth enough for daily driving. As a general rule, torque ripple of an electric brushless motor is like 10 times less than ice. Nice work, thanks for sharing.
Great video and engineering explanations. Would the standard 2 motor Tesla address the responsiveness issues you had? That doesn't have track mode and is a bit slower but still insanely fast. I'm considering one when my lease is up and torn between the dual motor and the performance version
Great video explaining the differences between the two models. One quick question though. Do the performance models always come wiith the black door handles and door/window trim? I can't quite figure out how you get that black trim. I've seen performance models with the chrome trim too so I'm confused about which models come with that trim. Thanks for all the informative videos.
Well... The best part of this video, besides the fart noise..😜... the best part in my humble opinion. Somebody finally admitted of not being perfect...👍✌️💪 Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Lol! Yeah I wish I bought the AWD now too but I’ve decided to just be happy with my Long range RWD. Guess its human nature to always want something better.
Haha, I suppose so! The LR RWD is still a good bit faster than the mid-range. They've tuned the mid-range to be pretty much the same as what they quote the $35k car will be performance-wise.
I was in the passenger seat of my friend's Model 3 Dual Motor (non-performance), and he managed a power slide around a left turn. Incredible for a normal-ish midsize sedan.
Thanks for your videos, I was having a rough couple of days and this one reminded me that it's very important not to take life so seriously. Anyways, keep up the good work and content coming up. Cheers!
(Pre-vid comment) Knew you were gonna get bored with the Mid-Range ;p (Post-vid comment) Your reactions are exactly why I want one here in the UK. Cannot wait. :D
It was a little weird in the first video how he said rwd was the reason for the mid range purchase. Don't think he'll u use that excuse again after having the torque up front
Your gleeful smile says it all. Very smart having the clear, paint protective film installed. Many happy miles together. Sadly, the price of the 'Performance' models handily puts them out of reach of a fiscally 'Mid-range' buyer. I thought Elon was gonna price them around $35K
What do you think of “chill” mode on the Performance version? After listening o you described the rear motor characteristics, it makes me wonder if it’s not doing something similar in that mode and only using (or mostly using) the rear motor. It feels very different than just a bit slower. It feels much less responsive. Makes me wonder.
@@alexstromberg7696 haha, it specifically won't overheat, that's what track mode is about (and the new battery architecture of the 3), S and X are a different story tho.
@@brantwedel looked up some race times on Google on the model X and after just 8 MILES it will reduce it's power and even more after 10 miles. That's a joke. A ICE will atleast complete the track going 10/10s
@@alexstromberg7696 I looked up motortrend's test of the Model 3 track mode beating Ferrari and the alfa romeo quadrifoglio, with Randy Pobst's tuning sent over the air to owners' cars.
I’m very interested in those motors. They have a 6 pole reluctance motor in the rear and a 4 pole induction motor in the front? I’d like to know what kind of feedback those motors use.
Those explications about the different electric motors technology is very interesting and informative, especially when you explain the impact on the driving caracterics. Thanks. You are the first (and only) on that is covering that subject. Can you cover that for other electric cars (Leaf, E-Tron, Bolt,...)?
Your smile when driving this car sure makes up for the $0.10 per mile difference (Colorado’s state tax refund not included). This was the best review online explaining the major driving differences between the midrange and the performance trims.
Shane Martin well, first you choose the finger that's the right width (you have 5 convenient sizes to choose from), then measure the finger and voila, perfect measurement every time.
Regen does away with big brakes. Your pads will last the lifetime of the car. Under normal driving you'll only need to use the brakes around 5mph and under cause that is when regen stops.
Great vid thanks alot for it. I’m sure you already answered this question but man your door handels look realy great in black!!!! Where did you get them done and was it expensive ? Thank you for your answer.
I hope everyone's having a wonderful day! I had a great time filming this and remain a 5-year old when it comes to the fart mode button haha. If you end up buying a Tesla, using my referral link means we both get free stuff: ts.la/jason66047 If you end up buying a Mazda Miata, I wouldn't blame you, they're one of the best. If you decide, like me, to someday own a Crosstrek, be sure you're mentally prepared for how fast they are.
I'm leaning towards the Miata. I thought Tesla killed the referral program?
@@ldever3 killing, not killed, -I think end of February- Feb 1st
I highly doubt that it is Switch Reluctance (SRM) but rather Synchronous Reluctance (SyRM) Motor. Sometimes "y" is skipped and that causes misunderstanding. SyRM makes more sense since there are a lot of topologies of SyRM with PMs which is usually referred as SyRM PM-assisted or SyRM hybrid PM- and these are awesome. One such is used in Toyota Prius and has efficiency of almost 98% which is insane and doesn't have issue with high torque ripple - almost none. I believe the efficiency was main reason behind using it as the main drive of M3, since induction motor used in MS and MX has peak efficiency of 89%.
Yet, i haven't seen one from Model 3, but that is something i've been speculating since it was first introduced.
I think this will do you better than the last two you had, love my P100D
Lol we always want more power! And farting!
*Past* "We will have flying cars in the future"
*Present* "We have cars that can make fart noises"
Jason, I think you forgot to mention the most important feature (to you): the built-in whiteboard.
I would love to see him use it
My 86 year old grandfather spent hours at Christmas showing the rest of the family fart mode on his Model S. I spent 10-15 minutes laughing so hard tears were rolling down my face.
Love it!
pkt1213 that’s.... umm?
did you have to pull his finger first, or was he in no-hands mode :)
I have portable fart generator that automatically move to whatever I ride in. No one laughs.
So you traded in the reluctance motor for a flatulence motor. Nice! :D
Jason: "I love the GT 350 but this Tesla sounds different"
Tesla: *fart noises*
Buy a 90s Honda...
Mom: hey son what are you watching?
Me: I’m watching a guy talk about a Tesla while it farts.
Hahaha, it's appropriate I promise!
No mom, I do mean *it*. The car farts
Ahaha... that’s an argument to convince my kids this will be our family car 😂
A guy making fart noises and distracted while driving.
Dad: "Really? I gotta see that, move over!"
I bought the performance model for this reason. After a quick test drive, I couldn't buy anything else besides the performance model.
Thank you for your purchase.
My Honda Civic comes standard with same noises!! Oh wait, that’s me ! Lol
Natural Gas is natural, but it still has to come from _somewhere._ This time, the "ass" and "gas" are one and the same.
And your Civic has the smell mode too, just like Awesome-O.
Yum.
Jason the type of guy that keeps all the other seatbelts buckled in...Oops, wrong channel
Levi Hutchison Jason is the type of guy that when he goes to Staples he compares all the whiteboard...
What's the channel you're referring to? 👀
@@malasoat1good ol Dougy
Ive never seen anyone drive with belts clicked in lmao
@@z33tanner For real though, its like a family of ghosts is in the back seat
Lesson we learned: test drive a vehicle before purchase.
No KIDDING!? Anyone who's actually driven several cars SHOULD know AND do that! I'm STILL astounded at how many people fail to realize how important a test drive is.
And this is yet ANOTHER problem with Tesla - NO DEALERSHIPS!!! This is why you have missed sales opportunities by Elon Musk. When people are expected to pay $50,000 for a car that runs on batteries, well...they are going to want to test drive such an expensive car first. Blindly buying a car online just doesn't work for 90%+ of consumers.
@@jaroessa294 They don't have dealerships because you can't buy the car there, but you can test drive a Tesla at their showrooms.
jaro essa so don’t blindly buy the car. Go and test drive it!
I drove 2.5hrs today to the city as it was the closest place I could test drive one. Was phenomenal, everything I’d hoped and more.
Bruh... . Carvana. Order your car like a candy bar. lol Millennial fail
I would like your take on the efficiency differences between the 18" wheels on the Mid-range vs the 20" on the Performance
go figure, a tesla finally makes a sound and it's one all gearheads agree with
Hahaha
bad b8 m8
@The Legend of Texas Lol shitty based on what criteria? Being fast, having awesome torque, awesome features, and cool tech? Cool story bro.
@@dreiakBuild quality and reliability is astonishingly poor.
@@jordanbell4420 astonishingly poor reliability compared to what? I'd say lower operating and repair costs than a Camry over the first 10 years of ownership is pretty reliable. I hope you've never had to deal with any VW, BMW or Mercedes or the new paradigm for reliability would probably induce suicidal tendencies with your mental expectations of reliability.
"You can't win on CZcams!"...*fart noises* hahaha I couldn't agree more! lol
Test his car Matt! What are you waiting for?
Marfran Dema I plan on reviewing one in the next few months! I’ve been waiting for the right opportunity.
Had that 25 years ago with my windows95 "desktop Pythonizer" ... You'll be disappointed when a year from now Tesla is out of business and you can't get service... AND there will be several European electrics that are just as fast and cost less... driving your resale value way down.
@@briantracy1324 people have been saying that about Tesla for at least 10 years. And just like you, they were wrong.
@Brian Tracy _ "AND there will be several European electrics that are just as fast and cost less."
And PROBABLY still screwing people on being environmentally friendly!!!
(Cost Less? when did you see anything from Europe cost less? )
You always have such positive energy. Clearly enjoying what you do :)
Jason, just enjoy life and don't let anyone spoil it. The $17k upgrade seems totally worth it.
James Plotkin My first car didn’t cost $17k
So, Tesla does have an option to run on gas!
Good one, man 😂
Mike Y oh god what a great dad pun, my eyes rolled all the way to the back of my head
LOLOLOL!!!!!
Runs on human gas collected by human.
Methane/sulfur expulsion mod!
You are the antithesis of automotive CZcamsrs like Obsessed Garage & Auto Fanatic; particularly in the area of humility. The world is a better place because of this; and your subscriber count reflects the same.
It does take quite a bit of effort to find really good people doing cool things, but they do exist. Gears & Gasoline being one as well as this one. Super glad I found both.
EvenKeel - I especially like ee”s talent for explaining physics underpinnings in intuitive way
Down-to-earth, modest people have a certain charm to them that is captivating (not to be confused with excess humility and lack of awareness of ones own very real worth). The creator of this channel has this magnetic trait in spades, he’s a joy to listen to and watch:)
Do Obsessed Garage and Auto Fanatic not have humility? I have watched a couple of Obsessed Garage's HT videos and it does seem he is very very rich, but that's all I can tell.
Glad to see you having so much fun!
That's what a car should do for a person... you should look forward to going to the store or running errands. It should put a smile on your face.
I love my
M3P
This is one of my favorite Tesla related videos. The way you master mixing solid engineering discussion, describing the experience of driving these cars and then peppering it all with the farting sounds and cracking up - you nailed it :)
*1 Month later
"I Traded My Tesla For The Model S P100D Ludicrous - Regret Trading Model 3 Performance"
Insert name HERE lol yeah it’s an affliction!
Given the snow and ice a Model X P100D would be better for him!
No Track Mode, No S.
SPOILED GIT
I drove the p100d and 3 performance back to back overnight... man what a difference. The S felt like a heavy touring car..
The 3 felt like a very refined.. heavily modded Mitsubishi evo.. basically handling better than I could ask for.
Sounds like you’re suffering from a bad case of torque ripple😂
Hahaha
Engineering Explained I’m not convinced all of those farts were coming from the car speakers.
The nice thing is, you can make a rear passenger fart, while actually gassing people out with a silent fart.
I have an electronic engineering degree, a semiconductor science PhD and have been steadily becoming an EV nerd for the past 1.5 years, but this was the first time I'd ever heard about reluctance motors! Learning new things is amazing - over an hour of Googling and research later, I'm now musing over the future of EV motors, now that I have a better grasp on the differences between induction, permanent magnet and reluctance motors. Thank you for all the knowledge, insight and wisdom you share with us all, Jason :)
so what kind of motor does the RWD Long Range has? Is it the same as the Mid Range or better?
I'm a retired aircraft engineer and I'm not surprised at your excitement about electric cars. I just returned a leased Ford Focus Electric and replaced it with a Chevy Bolt. From an engineering standpoint they are just an elegant solution to the problem of transporting people. Things like the simplicity of the powerplant/drivetrain compared to an internal combustion engine, the ability to fuel your vehicle at home, the efficiency, the instant power, low maintenance, etc. These are the types of things that appeal to me as an engineer. My second car which is a Fusion Hybrid feels archaic now, especially when it throws the occasional EVAP code.
Thanks for sharing, glad you're enjoying your Bolt! They're quite fun, and I love how Chevy implemented 1-pedal driving. I think their 1-pedal solution is the smoothest of all of them out there.
How do you like the Bolt? I considered buying one.
Calling a Modern EV simple is wildly inaccurate .... simpler than a hybrid, but vastly more complex than an elegantly designed ICE (achates power's engines for instance)
@@TheDisgruntledMechanic We leased the Focus EV for two years as a test to see if we could live with an EV. Even with it's puny 77 mile range we were sold on EV's. The problem is if you are shopping now, in the US, you pretty much have a choice of only two vehicles if you want a reasonably priced EV with over 200 miles range, Model 3 or Bolt. I didn't have the time to wait around for the new vehicles coming on line. So, based on what my budget would allow, I purchased the low spec 2019 LT model (only option equipped DC fast charging). So before local tax and license, I was out the door for around 25K (after fed tax incentive). From a practical standpoint it does what it is supposed to do. It certainly lacks some of the refinements I was used to in the lowly compliance Focus EV (which is actually nicely equipped). I assume the higher spec Premier version (heated seats, etc.) would have a more premium feel.
Evaporate code on Fusion Hybrid (if you don’t already know this) is likely caused by the little trap door that you press the fuel nozzle through to refuel - at least it was on mine. A little bit of carb cleaner sprayed in during a few open close cycles with a screwdriver - and - voila! Fixed. Interesting that I also own a Bolt. I like either of these cars for entirely different reasons.
So the Rotor engine isn't dead?
Glad this one is working better for you, it's a hell of a car. And red is the correct choice for the P3D, I went the same route :D
Love the red!
Would anyone ever buy any other colour for the performance model? Seems like it should be the default colour without requiring an additional charge.
I watch vids at 2x speed and EE is a mad man driving that car!
He might as well be Tesla Salesman.
I'm happy for you. Your happiness radiates, thanks.
Thanks Marshall, appreciate the kind words!
I did the same with Audi. Bought an RS3, heard such great things about the 5 cylinder. Loved the car, but had regrets. Hated the manual seats, hated there was no view of the hood and just the dash, cramped interior and looked too much like an A3 to me. Bought the RS5 coupe and it's exactly what I wanted. Bigger car, wider, actually great seats in the back for a coupe, looks wicked and more usable torque down low for everyday driving. Test drive the car before you get it!!
Glad you’re loving you RS5! Love the way those look, never driven one but hope to sometime!
@@EngineeringExplained It's rear bias is much less nose heavy than the RS3. It's glorious:) Refined and a true joy to drive. I was seriously considering the model 3, but I prefer to lease. Congrats on the performance 3 and congrats on a wonderful channel. You deserve all the success in the world! If you are near Toronto, i'll take you for a spin:)
Wow rs5, dream car after an rs7 😁
@@user-to2rf1rj5v That's a cool thing!! Don't get me wrong...RS3 is a great car...but, just not for me. Love the tesla 500 miles to return it...amazing
@@tmfrs2 I prefer the RS5. RS7 was getting a little dated, but it's a gorgeous beast of a car. RS3 is fun, but not for me. I am loving the RS5:)
I've been driving a Model 3 long-range RWD for 6 months, and I've always felt like it had instant pedal response. But though the car starts moving immediately upon flooring from a dead stop, it does take a little for the acceleration to really hit its stride. The sweet spot seems to be ~25 to ~60. Still the best car I've ever owned. :D
I came for a car review.. I left with a Masters in Engineering.
Can confirm Tesla nerfed the torque application on prior models as the dual / P came to market. One of the earlier firmware updates to the RWD 3 LR killed off its low speed instant torque response so significantly that several owners started asking. Tesla denied the change, but quietly restored *some* of that torque in a later update. I had my car before any of those updates, and there was no evidence of torque ripple despite the car being quicker off the line than it is currently.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing!
Allyn Malventano damn so this is like that theory of apple making older iPhones break through the software updates so that you buy the newest phone
@@LuneLuan Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled about it. We had the early Model 3's accelerating well above their rating, but then they were nerfed to be slower as to not steal thunder from the newer 'faster' models. Reducing the performance of *any* vehicle after purchase is not cool, even if that vehicle was performing above spec.
That's just bizarre. I guess this is the new economy where you don't own the things you buy (Kindle books, phones, Teslas) but you just lease them with manufacturers being able to modify your phone, delete your books or cripple your Model 3
Wait, so my M3 LR is slower now than it was when I bought it? This is the first I've heard of it. Is there video of the times before and after? Allyn, I know you race Model S, can you do some acceleration tests with your Model 3?
I would like to say I knew it but you wouldn't believe me! Nice upgrade! And my mistakes always cost me loads of money it seems!
Ha, thanks!
I can imagine Jerime/James/Hammond on world tour being followed by the mid range car and looser driving it home with the sound effects on a loud speaker😅
Hey @Engineering Explained. Does the LR AWD Model suffer from the same laggy performance as the RWD? You mention the dual motors as adding more pep to the car, the LR AWD also has the dual motors.
Those cracks in the glass roof are a concern, I would get tesla to check that out and confirm if they are a problem or not. Due to the nature of tempered glass, all damage near the edges is problematic, and can lead to spontaneous failure ( -> exploding sunroof). It would be rather inconvenient if the thing suddenly turned into a convertible on you.
They're going to be here this week for the spoiler, I'm going to ask about it.
Wouldn't that be a Targa?
We also had a (much smaller) crack in our Porsche's panorama roof. Being brought to the chief mechanic's attention, it was clear immediately that it needs to be replaced - this crack should be treated the same way. We got a wonderful 718 loaner for the duration of the repairs (3 days) and the job was executed to our fullest satisfaction.
Cabriolet I'd suggest.
Good on you man. I have the model 3 performance and I haven’t regretted it for a minute.
One of the best technical Tesla MP3 review ever! U know your stuff!
you’re breakdowns are appreciated i stop watching when you go deeeeeep math but i still get a bunch from your videos☺️
Congrats! After watching this I’m really glad I didn’t go for the mid-range RWD. I thought about it but decided the price upgrade to the LR AWD was totally worth it. I debated the Performance but didn’t want to make the $ jump. Some days I regret that, but I still love my car. Im glad that it has that electric car instant shove. I’ve put 2000 miles on it in 3 weeks. I can’t stop driving it!
Hey Joe! I'm very torn between the P and LR AWD. I'm leaning between LR AWD incl. Autopilot or P without Autopilot. That is very similar in price. Got any recommendation for me? :)
I am honestly happy for you! One can see you enjoy it.
When I first watched reactions people have when they drive or ride in a Tesla, i felt they were either acting or exaggerating. Until I actually own one, yes, I can confirm that reaction is totally ligit.
Terrific video and great info. Ordered P3D thanks to the crystal clear overview you give. Many thanks!
I sold my very early Vin RWD Model 3 (Vin #89) for a Performance Model 3, I don’t regret it one bit! 😀
Hi Marc! It's great to see you watching this great channel!
Mitchell Barnow 👍
There's lots of early adopters who have that regret. The difference between the original Model 3 and the DMP is substantial.
Aussie2u I wouldn’t go that far, as the engine of the M3 is substantially stronger than the MSport. The difference in price is more substantial as well. A loaded M3 is pushing $80 K US.
The Model 3 Performance is easily the best value in the range
I always thought they chose an induction motor in the front to be able to switch off its magnetic field completely, which then means you have near zero resistance from the (disengaged) front motor at cruising speeds. This is an interesting new insight, tx!
Also: love the sarcasm with the "thank you all for instructing me on how to use clamps, I never learned to use those during my engineering studies" ;)
It is true that by shutting down the input power IM rotates practically without resistance, but PMSM are not much worse in that regard since the average drag torque is also very low, especially for the better designed motors (which these are). However, in PMSM motors you need to optimise between torque and max speed for given voltage by design, which is achieved in IM by field weakening.
You are one of the best automotive vloggers/"journalist" I was honestly super bummed when top gear got cancelled but you bring the entertainment to the science and the industry developments. Keep doing what you're doing man! Thanks so much for the content.
Those are very kind words, really appreciate it, thank you so much for watching!!
I test drove a M3P and I adored it.
Your chrome delete is awesome, if they got rid of that wood strip and added a black headliner I'd get one.
I'm sure getting a black headliner wouldn't be a huge issue. They already have a white one with the other interior color, so you could get the part for the white interior and black it out.
@@EngineeringExplained several people have blacked out the wood strip. i however like mine.
Studies have shown that the faster you go, the younger your brain becomes.
Hence the recurrent *WOWs*.
That's a pretty deep lesson to be learnt from farts.
Enjoy, Jason!
Hahaha, yess!
nice
I wonder how old the brains of ISS crew members are
i think i've understood the fart thing, but apart from that i'm completely lost without a whiteboard
Jason, would you recommend buying model 3 now or wait few months/year for Tesla to fix up their paint issues and other glitches in order to avoid hassles? Please do a video if you can. Thanks
When you got the medium range version I thought it was the wrong one for you. So glad you made the switch.
Its beginning! Not long till the trusty white board has electrical circuits on it.
Too late there called smartboards.
@@seandubord6654 he said on it not in it
0:40 Imagine having a house on a spot like that, amazing landscape 😯
@John Locke I think he mentioned in a video about coasting down a hill that he lives in Idaho. I guess that narrows the location down a bit?
i have a M3 long range and i want to trade it in for a S or even the X (but the x is too expensive) does tesla offer any specials for upgrading???
Would love to even just drive one of these one day!
Glad you’re happy with the upgrade! Looks like a lot of fun
Great explanations on the motors. Between the fart noises and the acceleration I would crash that thing for sure. On another topic altogether I am sorely disappointed that your engineering education did not include precision measurement. Keep up the great content! I enjoy it all!!!
Lol, like engineering education is something smart. It's a 4 year college degree where pimple covered boys and girls learn basic things from 101 calculus etc. They are still average Joes. It's certainly not a law degree, let alone medical school.
Love the clouds through your glass roof!
Quite a cool roof!
Quick question: Is the AWD (non-performance) version using the same motor setup?
Jay Johannes yup
How much did they value your midrange when you traded it in or whats the difference between the two
when you bring fart noises you win the argument. It's a rule.
Found the MAGAt.
^I hope not, that would be disappointing.
At least when the car farts there's no risk of follow through.
I have the long range RWD 3. You can tell there is some limiting at low speeds. The acceleration is insane. It is like warp speed in regular driving. I can’t see any practical need for the car to be any faster.
Every last one of your points are valid. Especially not being able to defeat the traction control.
I'm definitely curious to try out the long-range RWD. Seems the put a decent hit on acceleration on the mid-range with 5.6 seconds, versus the long range RWD which is hitting 60 in under 5. Seems quite cool!
@@EngineeringExplained As fatboy mentioned, RWD is being limited on its 0-40 mph, after that, it performs similar if not better than AWD. Also, it has a better handling than a dual motor. I was about to trade in my RWD M3 for a Performance 3 but after drive testing the P3D, the feeling of suppressed speed was quite noticeable plus the handling hence decided to keep my car. The only time I would use P3D's quick acceleration was when I'm at stop light but since 97.3% of my commute is on freeway, there's no point on having higher top speed when I may get a ticket lol.
P3D is an amazing car... but the issues that came along with it plus the excessive energy consumption kinda pushed me away.
@@warlockhaseo3642Also comparing my wife's AWD Model 3 Long Range to my RWD Long range, while you do notice the extra snappiness in the AWD, the overall 0-60 times aren't that much different and my car has about 20-30 miles more range than hers. I'm also not totally convinced that some of the difference in snappiness is not just from the extra grip from AWD vs RWD. And definitely that's the case on wet pavement. I've also noticed that on hot days on dry pavement, the difference in snappiness isn't nearly so noticeable than when it's cold / wet pavement. Basically didn't notice the difference nearly so much last summer as I do now when it's below freezing and still running all weather tires on both.
@@warlockhaseo3642 thank you for your counter argument. I was about to go on Tesla's website to see the price difference but you talked me into keeping my LR RWD
It can be defeated. You just need an aftermarket device that plugs into the computer to disable it. I believe MPP sells it for the RWD version, for the performance version you just want to use track mode.
Do you still feel this way after the "pothole indecent". Or are you trying to find larger tires for your Performance now?
Curious how the traction and stability control disable works out on the performance Model 3.
Could you post some footage of the UI as well as how the AWD behaves on closed course?
Currently driving the regular 75D Model S and totally agree that the lack of ability to be able to fully disable driving aids takes a bit of fun out of the equation.
"They never taught me that getting my engineering degree" lmaoo.
You are right thinking that the delay you experience is put there by Tesla engineers. I did tune a couple of drive inverter and tried no torque ramp. The result was very jerky drive. So the game is what is fun but smooth enough for daily driving. As a general rule, torque ripple of an electric brushless motor is like 10 times less than ice. Nice work, thanks for sharing.
Did you get to tune a model 3 motor? Interesting anyway.
Great video and engineering explanations. Would the standard 2 motor Tesla address the responsiveness issues you had? That doesn't have track mode and is a bit slower but still insanely fast. I'm considering one when my lease is up and torn between the dual motor and the performance version
Great video explaining the differences between the two models. One quick question though. Do the performance models always come wiith the black door handles and door/window trim? I can't quite figure out how you get that black trim. I've seen performance models with the chrome trim too so I'm confused about which models come with that trim. Thanks for all the informative videos.
Well...
The best part of this video, besides the fart noise..😜... the best part in my humble opinion.
Somebody finally admitted of not being perfect...👍✌️💪
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Lol! Yeah I wish I bought the AWD now too but I’ve decided to just be happy with my Long range RWD. Guess its human nature to always want something better.
Haha, I suppose so! The LR RWD is still a good bit faster than the mid-range. They've tuned the mid-range to be pretty much the same as what they quote the $35k car will be performance-wise.
Does the mid-range time delay also apply to the lowest range model?
Hello any difference engine wice, long range (dual motor)and the performance ?
Great choice getting the performance model. It has more HP than my V8 mustang which is crazy. How times have changed.
A Mustang Owner and if you drive one, it has more performance than your V8 Mustang as well....
Newzchspy At $62k it better!
@@CarStory
Definitely! Plus it's also a sedan so that makes it's performance even more impressive.
CrazyWeeMonkey I’m a fan of these Teslas for sure. I will wait a few years to see if they work out the production bugs and get one.
The fart sounds are amazing. When I the driver pass gas I just press it for back seat and blame others
I was in the passenger seat of my friend's Model 3 Dual Motor (non-performance), and he managed a power slide around a left turn. Incredible for a normal-ish midsize sedan.
Thanks for your videos, I was having a rough couple of days and this one reminded me that it's very important not to take life so seriously. Anyways, keep up the good work and content coming up. Cheers!
Every car needs fart mode. GM will probably out do Tesla soon and go all out for a working Shart mode.
I thought that's what happens when the intake gaskets go on the v engines?
GM better then Tesla, but I that's impossible, partly due to GM engineering and union labor.. Reluability and quality are sub oar on GM.
GM needs to make reliable transmissions first, after a 100 years in the game.
0:03 to 0:13 me riding my motorcycle ;)
Love it!
Riding my motorcycle sounds more like the Farr machine (it's a 125cc)
Except the Model 3 would probably beat your motorcycle in a drag race... ;)
@@ZeHoSmusician I wouldn't bet on that. Every 1000cc sport bike would probably destroy the M3 in the quarter mile.
@@cbr7170 Assuming perfect weather. Give it a bit of bad traction and the bike is kinda screwed.
One of your best videos, for sure. Can’t wait for you to test the Leaf Nismo RC!!
Does the DUAL MOTOR Model 3 version have the same front motor as the Performance version? I own a Dual Motor version but not Performance.
(Pre-vid comment) Knew you were gonna get bored with the Mid-Range ;p
(Post-vid comment) Your reactions are exactly why I want one here in the UK. Cannot wait. :D
It was a little weird in the first video how he said rwd was the reason for the mid range purchase. Don't think he'll u use that excuse again after having the torque up front
Your gleeful smile says it all. Very smart having the clear, paint protective film installed.
Many happy miles together.
Sadly, the price of the 'Performance' models handily puts them out of reach of a fiscally 'Mid-range' buyer. I thought Elon was gonna price them around $35K
Yeah, $35k version is supposed to be out later this year.
Thanks for the video.
Is there a break-in period for the Model 3?
What do you think of “chill” mode on the Performance version? After listening o you described the rear motor characteristics, it makes me wonder if it’s not doing something similar in that mode and only using (or mostly using) the rear motor. It feels very different than just a bit slower. It feels much less responsive. Makes me wonder.
We need to see a track test for the Model 3 Performance
Edit: thanks for the Like, Jason!
it will overheat so no need.
@@alexstromberg7696 haha, it specifically won't overheat, that's what track mode is about (and the new battery architecture of the 3), S and X are a different story tho.
@@brantwedel won't over heat but it will reduce power
@@brantwedel looked up some race times on Google on the model X and after just 8 MILES it will reduce it's power and even more after 10 miles. That's a joke. A ICE will atleast complete the track going 10/10s
@@alexstromberg7696 I looked up motortrend's test of the Model 3 track mode beating Ferrari and the alfa romeo quadrifoglio, with Randy Pobst's tuning sent over the air to owners' cars.
So I guess you could say the Tesla....rips....down the road?
I know it’s been 3 years. But what did you do about the cracked glass panel?
I’m very interested in those motors. They have a 6 pole reluctance motor in the rear and a 4 pole induction motor in the front? I’d like to know what kind of feedback those motors use.
The mid range is also simply limited. The long range RWD is plenty punchy.
Those explications about the different electric motors technology is very interesting and informative, especially when you explain the impact on the driving caracterics. Thanks. You are the first (and only) on that is covering that subject. Can you cover that for other electric cars (Leaf, E-Tron, Bolt,...)?
FlSal27 It must be an issue because you can only buy rwd on the base car now.
FlSal27 I don't think the other cars share this issue, he noted this in the video. So far the torque delay is only in the Model 3 Mid-Range & Bellow.
It's all software control. They can reprogram it to accelerate any way they want. It's like tuning an ICE with laptop.
so which one is better the long range dual motor or long range performance dual motor?
Your smile when driving this car sure makes up for the $0.10 per mile difference (Colorado’s state tax refund not included).
This was the best review online explaining the major driving differences between the midrange and the performance trims.
You put your foot on the throttle and you could use the power INSTANTLY!
Philipp Schilling I understood that reference.
I have never been interested in owning a Tesla until now. Fart Mode?
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I love it!! Give me FART MODE!!
Is there ANY difference between the trim levels in brake performance and suspension?
That will say, what is a lowered suspension?
Brakes I get.
Does the dual motor long range (non-performance) also have the induction motor in the front? (So there isn't that torque delay)
Can someone explain what the finger/caliper method is for? I have never seen it til now.
Engineering precision way of 10/10 perfect measurement every time.
@@EngineeringExplained I see, but how do you actually do it? How does your finger translate to the thing you measuring?
Shane Martin well, first you choose the finger that's the right width (you have 5 convenient sizes to choose from), then measure the finger and voila, perfect measurement every time.
@@blitzy99 so your fingers become organic home grown gauge pins?
Michael Terrell Bingo! And, if you're really limber, you've even got 5 more sizes ready to hand, err, foot. Haha
Regen does away with big brakes. Your pads will last the lifetime of the car. Under normal driving you'll only need to use the brakes around 5mph and under cause that is when regen stops.
Yep! Unless you're really pushing it (track driving) you can get away without touching the brakes until about 5 mph.
Great vid thanks alot for it. I’m sure you already answered this question but man your door handels look realy great in black!!!! Where did you get them done and was it expensive ? Thank you for your answer.
This video makes me glad I ordered the performance version! Still have yet to drive it though...