Understanding the Festool Domino DF700
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- This follows the previous video about the Domino DF500. The video is aimed at potential buyers and new users of the machine. I have not been paid or received any inducement to make this video.
Now I ask you, is it not better to have someone who is an expert; who does NOT push us to buy? For usually, one gets a salesman; that either does not know what we need to know and/or always try to force us to buy. I hate that.
More succinctly: it is a downright pleasure to listen to "our" Mr Peter Parfitt; knowing that he would never pressure us to buy any thing; and he knows what he is talking about to boot. Not to mention that he always shows us the "cons"; which is anathema to almost EVERY salesman.
Thank you Peter, and know we love you kind Sir; for you are one of the greatest. Oh indeed you are. I praise Jesus for persons like you.
Hi Pat, Your comments are always so very kind and continue to lift my spirits during this difficult time. Stay safe. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop your humility is inspiring Peter. Apparently tool shops and hardware stores are booming here in Oz.
That the capitalism's profit motive behind all the push and destruction of the eco system and all possible life form. We all hated it but afraid to point out the obvious.
Thanks Peter. Have had the 500 but just bought the 700. Thanks for a very informative video!
Hi Mark, The DF700 is a lovely machine and is perfect for the heavier jobs. Cheers. Peter
Excellent instruction. Very easy to follow. Thank you.
This bloke is better than good. I am glad for his instruction I just purchased both machines, Thank you NBW.
Hi Brian, Many thanks for this. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Cheers Peter I live in the Bahamas and am trying to recreate my business after hurricane Dorian destroyed my shop only my cast iron saw table was retrievable. My shop had no chance with 160 mile an hour winds and rain like well you had to be there. I have built a smaller shop and am interested in the things that can streamline my prosses and your offering is just inspiring mate. I have been this side of the pond for 24 years I can tell you the Brits are well rated by our American cousins. Do you have an outlet in the States for your guide hole system?
Hi Brian, You are very kind. The PGS is available from TSO in the US and Axminster deliver world wide at very competitive rates. You can select your currency of choice and shipping is calculated automatically. Good luck with the workshop rebuild. Can you make this one storm proof? Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop send a link so I can send some pics.
Hi Brian, I have sent you an email and deleted your comment with your email address. Peter
Excellent introduction and explanation. Thanks.
It is a beautiful machine and so easy to use despite being quite a large tool. Cheers. Peter
Good evening from germany... two words.... perfect demonstration
Danke. Thank you very much. It is great German engineering of course. Peter
Yes of course it is... stay healthy. Hope to visit great britain again next year after this nightmare... covid 2020
Thank you for the tutorial and especially for your cautions against holding the work opposite the cutter. You do the community a genuine service. Over the years we all eventually see hand injuries inflicted while ignoring the dangers. Eight or ten years back I shredded three sixteenths of an inch off the tip of one finger on a different machine. Besides costing almost $2,000 USD for the repair, it hurt for quite awhile.
Hi Mark, I have met many people who have hand injuries caused by the misuse of various tools or failure to follow the safety guidelines. Take care. Peter
I lost the end of my left ring finger while making shelves for some bookcases I was building for my home office. Luckily I was covered by workers compensation insurance which paid all my costs including the thousands in fees for a leading specialist hand surgeon who saved about 1/2" of the finger, all my extensive physiotherapy, and a payout of $AUD6,000. I now have a SawStop cabinet saw.
Hi Stephen, Gosh, I am sorry to hear about your accident and am glad that it is all behind you thanks to the specialist care you were lucky enough to receive. I hope everyone reading what you said will take extra care when using their power tools. Peter
My DF700 turned up 2hrs ago, to make the set. Exceptional timing Mr P
Hi Doug, Great news. Peter
Thanks once again for your great demonstration and comments regarding the DF700. I now have both the DF700 and DF500 Peter. My most recent is the DF500. I have 36 wooden fly screens to rebuild with 4mm dominos in each corner plus the reinforcing bar in the centre. That's in excess of 400 domino holes. For that job I need to make a jig to hold the DF500 absolutely square and a 45 degree triangle piece to ensure the corner joins are all at 45 degrees. Sounds complicated but it is straightforward, I just have to build it. Luckily my Kapex is extremely accurate. I'll PM you some images if you like when I eventually get around to it. It is a rainy day job and we haven't had a lot of those here in Oz.
Hi Stephen, That sounds like a big job - I would love to see the result, perhaps start a thread on the Festool Owners' Group (FOG) and then it will be easy to share the pictures. Cheers. Peter
Brilliant video , Peter. I have yet to use my DF 700 and I am glad that I watched your video before I did. Thank you again for your wonderful videos, I enjoy watching them, and, it makes learning more about the proper way to use the tools that I have, very enjoyable.
Hi Ray, I will be planning more of these "Understanding..." videos in the months to come. Cheers. Peter
Another excellent tutorial. Thank you.
Thanks again!
Thank you, I own the DF700 and have the smaller bits and extension from Seneca but will now buy the DF500 after watching your video's.
Hi Dan, It is probably a good idea and will protect your warranty on the DF700. Cheers. Peter
Thanks for clearing up the issues related to the Seneca adapters.
Glad to help!
I've got the 500 not sure I could lift the 700 :-) Thank you do much for all these truly informative videos. I am currently building some deck posts using the 500 and did encounter the "join three to one" problem. Fortunately I did a dry fit! Nothing like a dry fit with Domino joinery definitely avoids tears! Once again thank you for all the great guidance.
Glad to help!
Hi Peter. A very good demostration. I enjoyed watching. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Many thanks for making such a nice video based on purely experience and you do pass on a lot of knowledge, which must have taken you some time to learn. Appreciate your efforts and kind advice.
Hi Mian, That is so kind of you - many thanks. Peter
Thanks, love your videos. Made me realise I probably need to oil mine! I very rarely use the Seneca extension and while festool have good technical reasons for not using it, with a bit of care I haven't had any problems.
I think the risk is with the DF500 cutters rather than the machine itself but it may cause a warranty issue if anything goes wrong. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Fair enough, appreciate the video Peter
Hello, for me, as a complete newby in the Festool Domino machine world (I've purchased the DF700), this is/was very helpful!🤔 For me seeing is a better way of learning than reading a manual so after watching this video I was able to get started immediately 😅 My challenge is creating white oak table tops from Mill sawn slabs. Not all flat, nor straight as well but I'm always in for a challenge. You Sir, are a Master Carpenter I think 🤔 me..getting average at best but with your video's maybe someday above average so keep teaching us who like to keep learning. Thanks 🙏, Jan
Hi Jan, Thanks you so much for your very kind remarks. Do you have a planing machine? If so, you should be able to true those boards up and get them ready for jointing. I did make a video about a rustic bench where I only used a sander but that might not be what you want:
Part 1:
czcams.com/video/TxU3LhqpOcY/video.html
Part 2:
czcams.com/video/Y89tQ5630hQ/video.html
Part 3:
czcams.com/video/D4u4S1ENMWc/video.html
But the oak dining table and benches may be more relevant:
czcams.com/video/YdH6vdu1YDo/video.html
Good luck. Cheers. Peter
Hello Peter,
Yes I do have a planing machine and have used it for the sides. Since these are quite rough sawn slabs I even have thought about making my own planing table so at least I have a higher and plum fence because a tree is not a box shape thing and a B&D workmate is not really the best bench for straight edges icw my experience 😅 Cheers Jan
Thanks Peter 👍😊got the 700 and built my roubo bench base with 140 tenons.. it’s a beast
Also got the Seneca domiplate👍😊
What a fantastic demo
Hi Toby, Thank you very much. Peter
Thanks Peter, well done video. From what you've shown, the ergonomics on the DF700 are much better than the DF500. As I have written to you before, I believe that the DF700 is the second generation design, whereby Festool took all the shortcomings of the DF500 and fixed them in the DF700. A good example is the location pins on the 700. The On/Off switch is much better placed and naturally falls to hand. The depth gauge is far better as well. Yes, it is far bigger and heavier and hard to keep in place whilst driving the mortice, but people are buying extensions for a reason, namely ergonomics. I believe the DF700 is $500 more expensive across the pond, which plays into it. If I was doing it over again, I would probably buy the DF700 with an extension. Best of both worlds.Thanks and stay safe!!
Cheers. Peter
I have the DF700 and would totally agree. Not to denigrate the undoubted capabilities if of the 500, but I think it misses the point to say that the 700 is simply bigger, heavier with a larger cutter/domino range. I've always thought it looks as though the 500 is the prototype for the 700 in terms of the refinements of the latter. I find that if working on smaller stock, I have to be a bit inventive as to making sure the stock is well supported, as the larger machine can tip off of the stock otherwise. In terms of domino size, I have used the minimum 8mm in 18mm ply - but that was pushing it a bit. If I were to regularly work with flat material, I’d invest in the Senaca extension and some smaller DF500 cutters. Great video Peter, thanks for sharing your insights.
Hi CG, Many thanks. Peter
I have the DF700 and agree about the ergonomics, however I tried the Seneca extension and am not a fan. I eventually recently bought the DF500 simply because of its ability to handle smaller work and sheet goods. For the common 16mm sheets to get the domino to cut in the centre I intend to build a jig from 16mm and 18mm MDF to allow the DF500 the cut to the centre as it has a 10mm minimum distance from the base. Referencing from the base is easier than from the top in some circumstances
@@skf957Agreed. The ergonomics of the DF700 feel better to me and I hope that if I ever feel the need for the smaller machine that a MkII version will be available by then. I built a stand and custom 'Domiplate' fabricated from 10mm perspex (Carefully scored so there's no parallax issue) for handling small stock which works well when using the 5mm cutters.
Thank you so much for this and all of your videos! Excellent tutorial and instruction!
You're very welcome!
Brillant presentation Peter once again thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. Having watched that I think I’m going for the bigger machine simply because my Zeta handles my sheet materials work and I’m more likely to need the larger capacity for joinery jobs. But thanks for a great vid. Happily subscribed.
Hi Alan, Brilliant - cheers. Peter
Buy the 700;and the extra kit(not festoon) that adapts the 500 cutters to fit the 700 . Plenty of stuff online about it . I have not encountered any problems but it is bulky 4 fine work
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@Reese Frank yea, have been watching on Instaflixxer for since november myself :)
Thanks for this video, and especially the comparison. A useful reflection.
Glad it was helpful!
Just did my first top with your parf guide system, Thank you good job. :)
Nice work!
Enjoyed the presentation. I have had the 500 for about five years and really enjoy it. Bought it second hand and paid about the price of the machine for the 5oo and the kit of bits and Dominos. What a bargain. A Game changer tool. Trying to convince myself to buy the 700. Thank you for almost pushing me over the edge.
Hi Barry, I do not want to push you over the limit if you really do not need the machine but once you try one you will love it - particularly if you make doors, windows or barns and sheds ! Cheers. Peter
Excellent video - Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
I will need to ask Santa for the 500, great video Peter, hope you are well 👍🏻
Hi Derek, It will be worth it if you remain a good boy until Christmas. The Domino changed my woodworking overnight and things are now so easy to make. Good luck. Peter
Thanks for that, most useful.
I use the smallest 500 tenons on my 700 and it works just fine.. up the Seneca kit..
Can you tell me if you have an " extension " piece that adapts the smaller cutters from the 500 to the 700 & if so can you point me to where you sourced it.... SENECA?????
Excelent. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Thank you Sir
So nice of you
Thank you so much! 500 it is. You really cleared that up for me.
Hi Adam, Glad it helped! m Peter
Wow u are always great
an interesting video and as usual great presentation, however at nearly a grand for a bit of kit you need to be a very serious woodworker professional indeed.
Hi David, You are right but even a simple chap like me can save twice the cost of this machine by building barns or large sheds. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop i do agree with you in principle as it makes all the difference to use the best tool for the job, as my wife attests to when she says "why did you spend all that money on that thing!?
I think I'll run out of time before I run out of cash. .Time is finite. I have a 'mad money' account where I do not have to justify my many tool purchases. I get $AUD100 per week and I don't drink much more than a glass of wine/beer/scotch per day, I don't smoke or gamble, and 'I don't get around much anymore' (since Covid). I have fun in and out of my shed. Check out The Spooky Mens Chorale song "Tools" - it sums it up nicely.
Shame to hear that about the Seneca "Small Mortise Kit". I thought for sure that would be the good solution to get the total Domino functionality without having to buy both tools. Seems like Festool could adopt that, though, and come out with a new tool that could do both, with a "small mode" and "large mode".. or possibly variable settings optimized for each cutter size.
I am sure that they have thought of that. Most professionals that I know prefer tools dedicated to a particular type of task. One chap has 9 drill/drivers with different bits in each. The same thought may go for the two Domino machines. I agree, for the amateur, it needs a lot of justification to have both. Cheers. Peter
Can you please give me a pointer as to where you found the ' extension " piece that allowed the use of 500 cutters into the 700 unit as I have recently bought some Fastenon plastic bits that are unfortunately 6mm.... and although you did not recommended the use of these smaller cutters in your.... as usual... excellently presented video on the 700.... I have tried Festool & their dealers but as yet have been unsuccessful ...
Hi Sam, It is made by Seneca but I have no idea who might stock it - try Google "Seneca Adapter". Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thank you again... Googled it ... ordered same.. Your video's are first class & of great help.... CZcams is so beneficial
Thanks
Welcome
Are you able to cut a bevel in 3/4” material with the 700 without plunging thru the other side?
Hi Mark, I assume you mean putting the domino slot in the beveled end of 3/4" material. If so, the answer is yes, but only just. The minimum depth of cut of the DF700 is 15 mm. The maximum dept of cut would be up against the bevel end and could be 19 mm. However, the thicker the cutter the less distance to the opposite face. With the smallest 8 mm cutter it should not come through but a domino depth of 15 mm is usually about 1.5 mm deeper which might just break through. You can put a piece of thin material between the domino face and the beveled edge to reduce the cut depth. Peter
Just bought a DF700 from Toolstation for £999 inc VAT. Only ONE left in stock at time of writing & Festool is no longer in their catalogue.
Would the df500 be ok for making a 80cm wide garden door?
Hi Kieran, Yes, using 10 mm x 50 mm dominoes. Peter
Thanks for the reply 👍
When you say negotiate a better price, what do you mean? Is the price negotiable with the vendor who sells the equipment or the person you’re creating furniture for?
Hi Rashad, in most buying situations the seller can be persuaded to offer a discount or throw in some extra kit when you are buying a high value item. The only time this does not work is when the kit you want to buy is in short supply. Peter
Hey Peter! How are you clamping your ratchet clamps on the side of your bench?
Thanks 😁
Hi Yohann, I put a slot in the side of the bench and used some T track from Axminster. It is shown in this video: czcams.com/video/syXRJvTxuNc/video.html
Peter
Hi peter
Could you use it to make wider slots as in 100mm plunge both ends first and plunge the centre parts, the reason I ask is to use it solely as a mortiser when using traditional tenons, my concern is would the machine or cutters be compromised when elongating slots as it usually cuts captivate 40mm slots, any input from you would be greatly appreciated
Regards liam.
Hi Liam, Yes, extra wide slots are eaasy - take a look at this very old video of mine:
czcams.com/video/kGR66Wi1nqY/video.html
Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop thanks peter
You answered my question and more, i especially like the tip for cutting the key hole ,festool should reward you for your fair and unbiased tutorials of their equipment, thanks again peter you are a gentleman and a scholar!
Regards Liam
Peter what are you doing with your smaller Domino cutter, will you keep it for smaller jobs.
Hi Graham, As I said, I use it 85-90% of the time so am certainly keeping it. Cheers. Peter
hi Peter, with Seneca's small moritsing kit for the 700 i can't figure out how to set the depth for the smallest 4mm tenon...any ideas ?
Hi Manu, I would never use the adapter - sorry. If Seneca don't tell you then it really is their problem. Peter
Hi, i dont Know Seneca but the Adapter you can Buy in Germany Sets all 500 Router Bits to the Same length as the 700s, except the no4. The 4 ist 10mm shorter, thus U have to add 10mm to the depth
Peter, I have the DF700 and use an extension shaft for the DF 500 cutters. I did not understand the chip load issue. You said the DF500 spins faster and osculates faster. Since they are both removing the same volume of wood to make the domino mortise then a slight slowing down of the plunge rate of the DF700 could give a similar chip load. In your experience of using an extension shaft, what made you decide that you shouldn’t recommend it?
I also have the Extension and I know a lot people who like to use it and never had any issues
My view changed after I spoke to a Festool guy in Germany whom I really respect. It was quite clear to me that Festool could easily sell such a thing but have chosen not to do so. It is not so that people just buy a DF700. Take it or leave it or take the risk if you wish ! Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Someday I will buy the DF500 and have both. Cabinet carcass and shelves joinery would be easier with the DF500.
@@NewBritWorkshop Thank you Peter, I think I will trust you on this one. Anyway I prefer to build big furniture where I can use D700 better. I might go for the smaller one later
In the video, it was said that the bit would spin more slowly and that this explanation might suggest that this could cause excess wear on the bit. OK. So I have to replace it more often. I can live with that. I have never experienced a problem where a "slightly" slower speed on a router was an issue (for example). The difference in hard wood verses soft wood could be a greater difference for all that it matters. I respect Peter, but on this one, I ain't buying. I think Seneca's extender is just fine . . . but I'd like to own the 500 as well; and might someday. I'm just not going to convince myself its because the spin rate of the 700 was too slow for the 500 bits. Too fast, OK. Too slow. Na. Not buying it. If I slice bread too fast, I make bread crumbs. Too slow, I'm still making a sandwich.
As with the 500 last week, there are some deals to be had - www.toolfest.co.uk/quick-search?terms=574420 - second item down at time of writing.
Hi Peter, great informative video as usual. I have a workshop design (invention) you might be interested in helping with. I think it has potential. I don't know how to contact you directly so I hope you see this. I live local to you. Hope to hear back.
Hi Ash, In order to contact me via email I need your email address. CZcams no longer has a private messaging service and so in order to get in touch you need to place a comment on this or any other video with your email address. The CZcams software should identify and send it to the spam folder for The New Brit Workshop. Nobody will be able to see your email address except you and me. I will then delete your comment so that it does not end up in the public domain and I will then get in touch. Were we to do this the other way around then my comment, with my email address, would appear for all the world to see.
Please be warned that I get a lot of requests to send suggestions for designs and I discourage people from doing this. For every tool that bears the "Parf" registered trade mark there have been at least 20 failures and who knows whether amongst them is something similar to your idea. Also, suppose I am currently working on 5 or 6 new ideas and if yours is so similar to one of mine then there could be a "who got here first" dispute. The best bet is for you to try and do something with your idea yourself. Sorry. Peter
Fantastic video !
Hi Robert, Thank you very much! Peter